| 00:03.21 | jxqz | youtah: burn a pingpong ball in protest |
| 00:08.22 | youtah | ^ |
| 00:08.25 | tvc123 | youtah: they all ran away ;) |
| 00:08.40 | youtah | Kind of like Greece Fire but Ping Pong fire instead? |
| 00:09.03 | youtah | s/Greece/Greek/ |
| 00:11.22 | youtah | Fill a ping pong ball full of kerosene, and launch it? |
| 00:11.32 | youtah | http://channel.nationalgeographic.com/channel/the-link/videos/greek-fire/ |
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| 00:33.36 | shalkie | I had assumed it would show it in the logs, but that appears to have been false with the default config. |
| 00:39.12 | shalkie | lacnic.net : No more IPv4 |
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| 04:58.00 | cumnor | my wife visited the local photographer, had several poses of my highschool graduate son taken and the shop gave wife a DVD of the images. The problem: we can't read the disk...how can I figure out what is burn on this disc? |
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| 14:14.51 | vontrapp | hey all you mutt lovers out there, do you know how to run macros as though you were in the index but non-interactively? |
| 14:15.10 | vontrapp | I want a cron job to tag and archive messages based on pattern searches |
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| 14:51.30 | tvc123 | http://www.theonion.com/video/more-office-workers-switching-to-fetal-position-de,36240/ |
| 14:54.25 | pashdown | lol |
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| 15:30.37 | jxqz | ~seen timriker |
| 15:30.42 | jxqz | ~seen TimRiker |
| 15:30.58 | jxqz | infobot: hello |
| 15:31.47 | jxqz | vontrapp: procmail or similar? |
| 15:34.14 | jxqz | I spent half an hour trying to modify an infobot command yesterday and then infobot put me on a blacklist of some kind |
| 15:34.16 | vontrapp | it would be similar to procmail yes, but I want to leverage mutts powerful features like header cache and many filter expressions (~f ~L %C etc) |
| 15:35.04 | vontrapp | but actually most specifically, mutt can capture whole threads where at least one message in the thread matches |
| 15:35.10 | jxqz | infobot's syntax for create/modifying 'cmd: command (.*?)' style commands is incredibly fragile and arcane |
| 15:35.22 | jxqz | perl from 1995 |
| 15:37.32 | vontrapp | e.g. i want to archive *whole threads* that are older than x days |
| 15:38.04 | vontrapp | that is, all messages in the thread are old |
| 15:40.18 | jxqz | does mutt have scripting capabilities? |
| 15:40.32 | vontrapp | i guess that's part of my question |
| 15:42.16 | jxqz | probably in some lame muttscript or something |
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| 16:26.02 | eightyeight | ~napoleon |
| 16:26.02 | infobot | There's like a buttload of gangs at this school. One of them kept wanting me to join because I'm pretty good with a bowstaff. |
| 16:35.34 | tristanbob__l | thanks eightyeight |
| 16:37.23 | eightyeight | ? |
| 16:38.09 | tristanbob__l | for providing a humorous napoleon reference |
| 16:38.15 | eightyeight | ah. heh. |
| 16:38.17 | eightyeight | np |
| 16:38.28 | eightyeight | ~praise napoleon |
| 16:38.28 | infobot | All hail napoleon! |
| 16:41.00 | jxqz | ~napoleon |
| 16:41.10 | jxqz | infobot has revoked my napoleon privileges |
| 16:41.34 | jxqz | because I was trying to make napoleon better :( |
| 16:41.50 | jxqz | because infobot's command syntax is teh suxurz |
| 16:45.28 | tristanbob__l | ~napoleon |
| 16:45.28 | infobot | It's a liger, bred for its skills in magic. |
| 16:45.47 | tristanbob__l | I saw a real liger, in Reno, NV. Not as impressive as his drawing. |
| 16:46.37 | shalkie | davido_: I was able to reach gentoo.org |
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| 16:51.25 | fungus | jxqz, napoleon is just a simple fact with a (fact1|fact2|fact3) syntax. It randomly picks one from that list every time. |
| 16:51.47 | fungus | It's not a command like "lart" is. |
| 16:53.25 | fungus | well actually lart is a special plugin, not a basic teachable command. "praise" is a better example of a command. |
| 16:55.24 | fungus | If you want to replace an existing fact with a new one you use syntax like this "ibot, no napoleon is <reply>(sentence|sentence|sentence|etc)." |
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| 16:59.21 | jxqz | fungus: I'm talking about the 'napoleon (.*?)' command |
| 16:59.35 | jxqz | as in ~napoleon fungus |
| 17:00.21 | jxqz | but infobot doesn't listen to me anymore |
| 17:00.36 | jxqz | to many tries to figure out it's crazy syntax |
| 17:01.38 | jxqz | s/to/too/ |
| 17:01.47 | jxqz | ~rlart |
| 17:02.20 | shalkie | ~praise the LoA |
| 17:02.20 | infobot | All hail the LoA! |
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| 17:17.04 | hiWIt | ~napoleon |
| 17:17.04 | infobot | Wait, I forgot the crystals. |
| 17:17.08 | hiWIt | ~napoleon fungus |
| 17:17.33 | vontrapp | does anyone love units as much as me? |
| 17:17.48 | vontrapp | units "820 btu/(ft^2*hr) * 2*pi*0.5ft^2" watt |
| 17:17.49 | vontrapp | * 754.98214 |
| 17:18.05 | jxqz | vontrapp: I like planck units |
| 17:18.31 | vontrapp | units "820 btu/(ft^2*hr) * pi * 0.5ft ^ 2" watt |
| 17:18.32 | vontrapp | * 377.49107 |
| 17:19.03 | vontrapp | heat loss from water surface at 60 deg celcius, 1 foot diameter pot :D |
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| 17:24.18 | fungus | jxqz, to create a new command the syntax is fairly simple. "ibot napoleon $1 is some sentence that may contain $1 |
| 17:25.29 | fungus | now modifying and existing command or forgetting it, you need to use the syntax "cmd: napoleon (.*?)" |
| 17:29.00 | tristanbob__l | http://www.engadget.com/2014/06/11/netflix-orders-magic-school-bus-360/ = good job Netflix |
| 17:29.40 | hiWIt | infobot: cmd: napoleon (.*?) is "$n <reply>fungus told me so, $n" |
| 17:29.40 | infobot | ...but cmd: is already something else... |
| 17:30.08 | hiWIt | fungus: ? |
| 17:30.21 | hiWIt | oh, wait |
| 17:30.25 | fungus | no, to create it you use the $1 syntax. |
| 17:30.34 | hiWIt | infobot: cmd: napoleon $1 is "<reply>fungus told me so, $1" |
| 17:30.34 | infobot | ...but cmd: is already something else... |
| 17:30.39 | hiWIt | infobot: napoleon $1 is "<reply>fungus told me so, $1" |
| 17:30.39 | infobot | hiWIt: okay |
| 17:30.48 | hiWIt | napoleon yes? |
| 17:30.53 | hiWIt | ~napoleon yes? |
| 17:30.53 | infobot | "<reply>fungus told me so, yes" |
| 17:30.54 | hiWIt | gah |
| 17:31.00 | hiWIt | hm |
| 17:31.09 | jlp_znc | ~napoleon hiWIt |
| 17:31.10 | infobot | "<reply>fungus told me so, hiWIt" |
| 17:31.10 | fungus | don't quote it |
| 17:31.10 | hiWIt | infobot: no, napoleon $1 is "fungus told me so, $1" |
| 17:31.10 | infobot | okay, hiWIt |
| 17:31.14 | hiWIt | ~napoleon yes? |
| 17:31.14 | infobot | "fungus told me so, yes" |
| 17:31.29 | hiWIt | I seem to remember you could use <reply> and <action> |
| 17:31.35 | fungus | infobot, forget cmd: napoleon (.*?) |
| 17:31.35 | infobot | fungus: i forgot cmd: napoleon (.*?) |
| 17:31.54 | hiWIt | infobot: no, napoleon $1 is <action>does $1 to fungus |
| 17:31.54 | infobot | okay, hiWIt |
| 17:32.01 | hiWIt | ~napoleon please |
| 17:32.01 | infobot | ACTION does please to fungus |
| 17:32.06 | hiWIt | ok then |
| 17:32.11 | hiWIt | thx man! |
| 17:32.19 | hiWIt | I'll fix it right up |
| 17:32.33 | hiWIt | now to get jxqz off infobot's ban list :( |
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| 17:41.31 | eightyeight | http://www.redhat.com/about/news/press-archive/2014/6/red-hat-unveils-rhel-7 |
| 17:45.53 | fungus | wow nice to see centos so busy making real progress on a timely EL7 release. |
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| 17:47.18 | eightyeight | time to migrate my migrated upstart scripts to systmed |
| 17:47.25 | eightyeight | s/med/emd/ |
| 17:51.34 | fungus | Anyone hear of a timeline for systemd in Debian/Ubuntu? |
| 17:52.08 | fungus | Ah, Debian going for jessie. Anyone hear for Ubuntu? |
| 17:58.11 | hiWIt | ~napoleon |
| 17:58.11 | infobot | Girls only like guys who have great skills: Nun-chuck skills, bow hunting skills, computer hacking skills. |
| 18:00.05 | Oberon4278 | Oh man, I've got all of those skills! |
| 18:01.40 | eightyeight | fungus: i doubt ubuntu will switch, seeing as though upstart is their own thing |
| 18:09.19 | shalkie | eightyeight: That had been my logic, but: http://www.markshuttleworth.com/archives/1316 |
| 18:10.39 | vontrapp | yay |
| 18:10.57 | hiWIt | ~kronk |
| 18:10.57 | infobot | And I'm one of those two, right? |
| 18:11.07 | hiWIt | ~kronk |
| 18:11.07 | infobot | Oh yeah, it's all coming together. |
| 18:11.13 | hiWIt | :) |
| 18:11.18 | hiWIt | ~kronk |
| 18:11.18 | infobot | Oh yeah, it's all coming together. |
| 18:11.19 | eightyeight | shalkie: hmm. i don't see that they are making it the default. it could just be making it an alternative |
| 18:11.28 | eightyeight | unless i missed it |
| 18:11.37 | hiWIt | whech means you'll never see it in the wild |
| 18:12.07 | vontrapp | "finally settled the question of init for both Debian and Ubuntu in favour of systemd" ? |
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| 18:13.01 | shalkie | " I expect they will want to bring systemd into Ubuntu as an option for developers as soon as it is reliably available in Debian, and as our default as soon as it offers a credible quality of service to match the existing init." |
| 18:13.21 | hiWIt | kronk |
| 18:14.10 | shalkie | I read that as "We will switch as soon as it seems stable enough to do so." |
| 18:14.24 | hiWIt | ~kronk |
| 18:14.24 | infobot | I hate being in the middle. |
| 18:14.45 | shalkie | Sorry infobot, but that is where you will remain. |
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| 18:15.08 | shalkie | shrugs |
| 18:15.20 | shalkie | I guess it means we are all on the same thing though. |
| 18:15.25 | shalkie | wanders off to lunch. |
| 18:16.09 | hiWIt | ~kronk |
| 18:16.09 | infobot | I hate being in the middle. |
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| 18:20.41 | eightyeight | shalkie: fair enough |
| 18:23.14 | hiWIt | ~kronk |
| 18:23.14 | infobot | What are the odds that trap door would lead me out here? |
| 18:23.55 | TodPunk | I would like to know when development culture went from "I can do X by using algorithms A, B, and C to feed Y" over to "I can use framework/library X to do A, feeding to framework Y doing B and have it output 7 ways from sunday" |
| 18:52.07 | unum | civilization on linux :) :) |
| 18:53.03 | hiWIt | ~kronk |
| 18:53.03 | infobot | Well, I had a great time; let's not wait till the next family reunion to get back together. |
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| 19:08.21 | youtah | I think I need to type an icepack to my face |
| 19:08.28 | youtah | #JustDentalVisitThings |
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| 19:16.05 | youtah | This is for harleypig http://i.imgur.com/YvoTv8E.jpg |
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| 19:35.40 | youtah | http://i.imgur.com/v85L0nB.gif |
| 19:36.12 | eightyeight | ookaay... |
| 19:36.43 | hiWIt | eightyeight: yeah pretty crazy url |
| 19:36.57 | hiWIt | you can almost decipher a message in it |
| 19:37.41 | eightyeight | steganography |
| 19:37.43 | hiWIt | ~kronk |
| 19:37.43 | infobot | Knock it down, are you kidding me, this is hand carved mahogany. |
| 19:38.02 | eightyeight | ~blame obama |
| 19:38.03 | infobot | ACTION blames obama (and Canada) for all the evil in the world |
| 19:38.54 | hiWIt | ~napoleon eightyeight |
| 19:38.55 | infobot | ACTION makes eightyeight buy a lotto ticket for Napoleon |
| 19:42.54 | jlp_znc | I think we need a president like Dwayne Elizondo Mountain Dew Herbert Camacho |
| 19:43.06 | jlp_znc | either him or Not Sure |
| 19:45.55 | Oberon4278 | So, did you hear about the hashtag campaign for the Ukraine? |
| 19:57.40 | shalkie | Hmmm... I have to figure out why my network connection does the occasional drop. :-( |
| 19:57.52 | shalkie | Anyone else having issues on Utopia today? |
| 19:58.20 | hiWIt | how can you have issues with utopia, it's perfect by definition |
| 19:59.08 | jlp_znc | my only issue with Utopia is that my house in Murray can't get it. |
| 19:59.35 | shalkie | hiWIt: The author of that definition didn't take into consideration that it might be dependent on human beings. |
| 19:59.55 | hiWIt | in the original greek utopia is combination of words that mean perfect and unattainable |
| 19:59.59 | shalkie | jlp_znc: I was in that same situation. Now I live in the northern hinderlands. |
| 20:00.18 | jlp_znc | northern hinderlands == logan? |
| 20:00.21 | shalkie | Huh, maybe they _did_ take human beings into account. |
| 20:00.48 | shalkie | Almost that north but to the west a bit. |
| 20:01.08 | jlp_znc | I'm currently living in San Jose. not sure how long that's going to last, though. I hate being away from my family. |
| 20:01.24 | shalkie | jlp_znc: Wanna trade? ;) |
| 20:01.27 | jlp_znc | it's a hot one here today... up to 75. |
| 20:01.35 | hiWIt | who is San Jose and why are you lving with her? |
| 20:02.05 | jlp_znc | I'm living in a house with a bunch of other people. it sucks, but the price was barely acceptable (I won't say the price was "right") |
| 20:02.30 | jlp_znc | I'm paying $900/mo plus a share of the utilities. |
| 20:02.39 | hiWIt | that's because you're not living with Drew Carey |
| 20:02.54 | jlp_znc | in Utah, I pay about double that, but have 4400 sq ft. |
| 20:02.55 | shalkie | jlp_znc: Yeah, I agree. Even the current 63 here makes that look warm :-P |
| 20:03.37 | jlp_znc | thing is, people around here have this strange understanding of the weather. for them, 85 is blisteringly hot and unbearable, while 60 is so cold you need your parka and stocking cap on |
| 20:04.02 | jlp_znc | I think I've worn my jacket once in six weeks... when it was actually raining. |
| 20:04.37 | hiWIt | they've probably adjusted |
| 20:04.47 | jlp_znc | yeah, I'm sure that's it |
| 20:04.50 | jlp_znc | maladjusted |
| 20:04.54 | jlp_znc | :-) |
| 20:05.04 | hiWIt | what r u doing there anyway as a silicon valley grunt? |
| 20:05.15 | jlp_znc | SRE at LinkedIn |
| 20:05.33 | jlp_znc | LinkedIn, btw, is amazing to work for/at |
| 20:05.36 | hiWIt | ooh, so you can hack into my profile and spiff it up for me? |
| 20:05.45 | jlp_znc | not legally :-/ |
| 20:05.56 | hiWIt | make it more 'reliable'? |
| 20:06.00 | jlp_znc | I could hit you with the ban hammer, though |
| 20:06.12 | hiWIt | I CAN HAZ RELIABLE :D :D |
| 20:06.35 | hiWIt | that's a pretty cool superpower, I guess |
| 20:06.40 | hiWIt | could be good in a fight |
| 20:08.52 | jlp_znc | making things more "reliable" mainly consists of monitoring things and not letting the developers deploy stuff willy nilly without a review and careful ramp |
| 20:09.08 | jlp_znc | and, of course, responding when things break |
| 20:09.32 | jlp_znc | it's kind of a dev/ops focused systems administrator role |
| 20:09.43 | hiWIt | keeping those developers in line |
| 20:09.56 | jlp_znc | those guys are such jerks |
| 20:10.02 | hiWIt | haha |
| 20:10.07 | jlp_znc | (just kidding, ours are really really good) |
| 20:10.34 | hiWIt | is developing right now |
| 20:10.44 | hiWIt | developing the stuff |
| 20:11.04 | jlp_znc | I'm trying to develop a good way of viewing/changing JMX variables in a running container |
| 20:11.23 | jlp_znc | best I've found so far is jmxterm, but it's very heavy for what I want to do with it |
| 20:11.25 | hiWIt | sounds technical |
| 20:11.41 | hiWIt | is that like BMX? |
| 20:11.48 | jnbek | cat -s | w -u | sh -e sed |
| 20:12.33 | jlp_znc | I'm not familiar with BMX. JMX basically lets you twiddle with your java beans at run time, change or inspect variables, call methods, etc. |
| 20:12.51 | jlp_znc | currently, I can bring up a web interface to do it. |
| 20:12.58 | jlp_znc | I want to be able to do it from a |
| 20:13.02 | jlp_znc | CLI-type environment |
| 20:14.23 | hiWIt | mechanize :) |
| 20:14.34 | shalkie | ~lart CBL |
| 20:14.34 | infobot | hereby declares CBL a troll |
| 20:14.49 | shalkie | Meh. That doesn't help me any. |
| 20:14.58 | shalkie | ~hammer CBL |
| 20:15.06 | shalkie | ~fish CBL |
| 20:15.06 | infobot | ACTION slaps CBL around with a large trout |
| 20:15.14 | shalkie | Slightly better. |
| 20:15.20 | jlp_znc | ~pie CBL |
| 20:15.20 | infobot | ACTION hits CBL in the face with a cream pie |
| 20:15.27 | hiWIt | ~sjansen CBL |
| 20:15.28 | infobot | ACTION tells CBL good things about sjansen |
| 20:15.30 | jlp_znc | woo woo woo |
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| 20:16.55 | jlp_znc | I've been enjoying the varied answers to the Quora question "What are some things that programmers know, but most people don't? |
| 20:16.58 | jlp_znc | " |
| 20:17.15 | jlp_znc | I think my favorite so far is "java is to javascript as car is to carpet" |
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| 20:43.05 | fadein | jlp_znc: nice |
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| 21:11.17 | shalkie | XMissions use of spamhaus is making me sad. :-( |
| 21:11.43 | shalkie | (and I never thought I would say that...) |
| 21:12.20 | jlp_znc | I also prefer my e-mail to arrive in my mailbox intact. I don't mind adding an "x-probably-spam" header with the metrics that pushed it over the ledge, but still deliver the darn thing and let me decide what to do with it |
| 21:14.15 | shalkie | I just found out that some twerp used my vanity sites wordpress install as part of a DDoS with the XMLRPC pingback function. This got me on a list at abuseat.org (CBL) and that is used by SpamHaus. So XMission won't even talk to me. :-( |
| 21:14.37 | shalkie | Not even mail related. |
| 21:15.29 | shalkie | I get it, just annoyed. :-\ |
| 21:15.44 | shalkie | And I hearts the xmission. |
| 21:16.48 | jlp_znc | ahh |
| 21:17.12 | jlp_znc | doesn't spamhaus have an appeal mechanism? |
| 21:17.41 | shalkie | Yes, as does the CBL list. Though the CBL list will only allow to self delist some unknown amount of time. |
| 21:17.56 | shalkie | And they feel the need to tell me that I "MUST" disable pingbacks. |
| 21:18.36 | jlp_znc | well, "disable", right? you can arrange for them to appear disabled to the CBL people |
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| 21:20.06 | hiWIt | shalkie: just get eightyeight on that for you :) |
| 21:21.23 | vontrapp | jlp_znc: so devious |
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| 21:23.42 | eightyeight | shalkie: if you get me your ip, i can exempt you from the spamhaus check |
| 21:49.04 | shalkie | jlp_znc: Yeah, I actually don't think it is them testing so much as gathering the data from "after action" reports. |
| 21:49.23 | shalkie | eightyeight: Thanks, I will pm it. |
| 21:50.34 | youtah | LOL West Valley CIty |
| 21:51.20 | youtah | http://www.wvc-ut.gov/ArchiveCenter/ViewFile/Item/1922 |
| 21:56.11 | bmurdock | wow |
| 21:56.39 | bmurdock | what's LOL about it? I use ooma at home. |
| 21:58.30 | bmurdock | anyone use reviewboard? is there a way to turn off the new markdown feature? |
| 21:59.01 | bmurdock | I find it super annoying. We are just typing comments about code, not creating a formatted document. |
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| 22:07.12 | hiWIt | you need to be able to add 3rd level headings in your comments |
| 22:07.42 | jlp_znc | bmurdock: can't you just not use any markdown keywords? |
| 22:07.55 | rsimpkins | youtah: What's the issue? Sounds like WVC is using the phone service to essentially encourage people to get hooked up to their fiber network the taxpayers just spent a boatload on. |
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| 22:08.18 | rsimpkins | Hope it works. |
| 22:08.30 | jlp_znc | rsimpkins: well, if you read it carefully, you'll note that ooma is going to give the phone service away *if* you purchase the ISP service from them |
| 22:08.41 | rsimpkins | jlp_znc: Ahh. Gotcha. |
| 22:08.49 | rsimpkins | 'free, with a fee' |
| 22:09.08 | jlp_znc | it's really no different than comcrap saying "hey, bundle phone, internet, and TV, and it only costs you x$$, where x is <= what it is currently costing you for internet and tv alone" |
| 22:09.41 | jlp_znc | when you say to comcrap "but I *only* want internet... I don't want your phone" they say "well, that costs you more, then" |
| 22:10.05 | jlp_znc | then you end up buying the phone service and just never using it... until you notice six months or a year later that your bill suddently jumped up an extra $50/mo |
| 22:10.22 | rsimpkins | I recently played that game with them. :) |
| 22:11.25 | jlp_znc | I didn't see anywhere where omla said it was time limited, but it did appear to be tied to their internet service, which only makes sense for them at a business level... they will have to deploy equipment to your house for the internet service, anyway. |
| 22:11.37 | rsimpkins | Well, regardless, I hope the municiple fiber thing works out for WVC. |
| 22:11.57 | jlp_znc | if they can turn around and have the city even partially fund the phone service, omla wins |
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| 22:15.42 | shalkie | jlp_znc: It has to be like the deal at costco. Buy the unit for a hundred or so bucks, get the "free" service (plus fees and taxes which are still less then $10 bucks or so a month). |
| 22:17.13 | shalkie | As for the internet service, the new Macquarie deal would result in everyone paying a utility fee and then getting a minimal internet connection (3 or 5 Mb connection). |
| 22:17.31 | shalkie | At 20 a month that is still a better deal then I had with CLINK. |
| 22:17.58 | youtah | Sorry, just seeing your replies bmurdock & rsimpkins |
| 22:18.16 | youtah | Poor WVC |
| 22:19.00 | youtah | thinks it's more ibuprofen time |
| 22:23.16 | rsimpkins | youtah: Doesn't Traverse Mountain have a similar deal with their fiber network? |
| 22:26.01 | youtah | yeah but it works |
| 22:26.16 | youtah | I'm just kidding |
| 22:26.55 | shalkie | hah! This guy just used melting cheese to calculate the wavelength of a microwave: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=M2qzCQ58_7Q |
| 22:27.39 | shalkie | So now we know why some of the cheese on nachos is melted and some aren't! |
| 22:27.46 | shalkie | :D |
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| 23:10.37 | jlp_znc | sticks for sale? |
| 23:15.32 | youtah | I get that reference jlp_znc |
| 23:15.39 | youtah | in fact, you were the one who told me |
| 23:16.05 | bmurdock | catching up here. ooma is not an ISP, so I'm not quite understanding the comparison to comcast |
| 23:16.19 | youtah | because they are offering Fiber Optics |
| 23:16.24 | youtah | to everyone in EVC |
| 23:16.30 | bmurdock | who is "they" ? |
| 23:16.35 | bmurdock | not ooma |
| 23:16.36 | youtah | Ooma |
| 23:16.48 | bmurdock | they are not an ISP, unless they greatly expanded their business recently |
| 23:16.49 | youtah | Yeah, that's what it sounded like in the press release |
| 23:16.57 | bmurdock | they are only a VOIP provider |
| 23:17.27 | youtah | It made it sound like Ooma is providing both Free telephone to everyone in WVC and will provide cheap fiber to home to everyone in WVC. |
| 23:17.46 | bmurdock | yeah, I think that's just city officials not wording things carefully |
| 23:18.12 | jlp_znc | bmurdock: re-reading the news release... I suspect you are correct |
| 23:18.14 | youtah | They dont mention anyone else regarding who might be the provider |
| 23:18.16 | bmurdock | ooma just sells a little box that you connect your phone to and then connect to your network |
| 23:18.26 | youtah | so either they haven't decided yet |
| 23:18.30 | youtah | or it's Ooma |
| 23:19.04 | youtah | hasn't used Ooma, but just makes fun of them because it sounds like a type of hamster |
| 23:20.54 | youtah | I am outta here |
| 23:20.56 | bmurdock | re-reading it myself. Sounds like Macquarie Group is "operating the fiber network" |
| 23:21.53 | bmurdock | oh, and "Private companies will provide free basic internet service" |
| 23:23.15 | jlp_znc | so it looks like everyone in the city gets charged the basic access fee, for which they can choose to use the basic internet and ooma phone service with only the additional taxes and required fees (like 911 access fees) |
| 23:24.20 | jlp_znc | http://www.scoutorama.com/skit/sk_display.cfm?sk_id=871 <- sticks for sale... I made the reference because "some are, and some are not." |
| 23:24.45 | jlp_znc | (referring to nacho cheese... wow, I should just stop explaining and let it go) |
| 23:30.22 | bmurdock | yes, that's how I interpret it |
| 23:33.47 | davido_ | I wish I could find a walkthrough on installing Gentoo as a Virtualbox guest... that actually works. ;) |
| 23:34.03 | davido_ | Need to do some testing under that environment. |
| 23:35.14 | jlp_znc | davido_: is there some reason why you can't just do the install? |
| 23:35.20 | jlp_znc | what doesn't work? |
| 23:35.37 | bmurdock | waiting for the compiles to finish |
| 23:35.43 | bmurdock | :-) |
| 23:35.46 | davido_ | Let me run it through again and I'll respond with the actual message. |
| 23:36.48 | davido_ | Step 1 (after mounting the ISO): at the "boot:" prompt, select gentoo |
| 23:37.07 | davido_ | process begins... |
| 23:37.15 | davido_ | scanning for this and that.... |
| 23:38.11 | davido_ | accept default for keyboard layout... |
| 23:38.17 | jlp_znc | it's been a while since I installed gentoo, but I don't recall having to mount the ISO by hand at the boot: prompt |
| 23:38.36 | davido_ | Oh, no, I mean I mount it within Virtualbox before booting. |
| 23:38.41 | jlp_znc | oh, okay |
| 23:38.44 | jlp_znc | :-) |
| 23:38.46 | davido_ | Ok, now "INIT: version 2.88 booting..." |
| 23:38.57 | davido_ | "OpenRC 0.12.4 is starting up Gentoo Linux (i686) |
| 23:39.21 | davido_ | loooooong wait..... |
| 23:40.10 | davido_ | "INFO: rcu_sched detected stalls on CPUs/tasks; {} (detected by 0, t=6002 jiffies, g=7484, c=7483, q=15) |
| 23:40.19 | davido_ | "INFO: Stall ended before state dump start |
| 23:40.23 | davido_ | ...and that's it. |
| 23:40.59 | jlp_znc | do you have the virtualization support stuff switched on in your bios? are you using the 64-bit or 32-bit version of gentoo? |
| 23:41.28 | jlp_znc | I've seen problems where having the virtualization stuff turned off *seems* to work, and indeed works okay with 32-bit clients, but fails miserably with 64-bit clients. |
| 23:41.44 | davido_ | 32-bit gentoo. This is an older core-2 duo laptop; doesn't have strong virtualization support. |
| 23:42.00 | davido_ | But it works fine for Ubuntu guests, for example. |
| 23:42.11 | jlp_znc | double check the type of system you are telling virtualbox you are installing. |
| 23:42.41 | davido_ | Linux Gentoo 32 bit |
| 23:43.01 | jlp_znc | if it works for ubuntu 32-bit guests, it should work for gentoo. I don't think gentoo is (or should be) doing anything weird or crazy |
| 23:43.13 | davido_ | Yeah, I agree. :) |
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| 23:43.33 | davido_ | I may just have to wait until I get back to salt lake and work under my newer desktop system. |
| 23:43.54 | davido_ | that system has better hardware virtualization support. |
| 23:44.26 | davido_ | Interesting. 'top' has one CPU core pegged at 100%, attributed to VirtualBox. |
| 23:44.52 | davido_ | and those last two INFO messages repeat themselves every few minutes if I leave the guest running. |
| 23:45.29 | jlp_znc | hmmmm, there was something about disabling acpi or something like that |
| 23:45.52 | davido_ | I'll shut this down and see about that... |
| 23:46.30 | jlp_znc | you have to pass no-acpi or something on the boot line... don't remember all of the details. |
| 23:47.30 | jlp_znc | http://forums.gentoo.org/viewtopic-p-5995302.html |
| 23:49.11 | davido_ | lol, yes, and never let 15s pass, or it will try to boot. ;) |
| 23:54.37 | davido_ | here goes. ;) |
| 23:54.55 | jlp_znc | good luck. you'll need it |
| 23:55.24 | davido_ | Getting gentoo up in a virtualbox guest is only the beginning. ;) |
| 23:57.40 | davido_ | Luck is an inadequate solution. ;) |
| 23:58.02 | jlp_znc | as my dad used to say, "it's a good thing there's two kinds of luck" |
| 23:58.45 | davido_ | oh well, it can wait a few more days. bug reports are easier to handle when accompanied by a test and a patch anyway. ;) |
