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| 02:16.14 | ChrisHansen | hi |
| 02:16.17 | ChrisHansen | hi |
| 02:16.33 | ChrisHansen | This is Chris Hansen and welcome to catch a predator |
| 02:17.38 | ChrisHansen | hi jsmith are you related to Joseph Smith... |
| 02:17.54 | jsmith | ChrisHansen: What's it to you? |
| 02:18.43 | ChrisHansen | because Josephs Myth was a false prophet |
| 02:19.06 | ChrisHansen | ever watch the video about the book of Abraham |
| 02:19.40 | ChrisHansen | The Lost book of abraham shows Joseph Smith to be a false prophet |
| 02:21.30 | jsmith | ChrisHansen: Please take your internet trolling elsewhere, please. I'm not sure what kicks and giggles you get from baiting people in this channel, but I'm going to respectfully let you know that I'm not interested. |
| 02:22.00 | ChrisHansen | i guess your not used to dealing with the facts in the video |
| 02:22.07 | ChrisHansen | that is understandable |
| 02:22.51 | ChrisHansen | once you watch the video you can see for yourself how Joseph smiths impudent fraud took place |
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| 02:29.59 | ChrisHansen | www.irr.org |
| 02:30.08 | ChrisHansen | joseph smith was a fraud |
| 02:30.11 | ChrisHansen | :( |
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| 13:04.51 | goozbach | wonders what jsmith's 'not used to dealing with the facts' is |
| 13:31.06 | jsmith | goozbach: Uh, well... I'm sure there are plenty of things I'm ignorant of. |
| 13:31.20 | jsmith | goozbach: That being said, I don't feed the trolls |
| 13:43.10 | goozbach | jsmith: I'm talking about his use of 'your' vs 'you're' |
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| 15:15.19 | programmerq | is there a binary like cat, but that can write everything to stderr? |
| 15:15.30 | programmerq | or do I need to bring my own? |
| 15:15.53 | goozbach | programmerq: which shell? |
| 15:16.16 | programmerq | goozbach: my issue is I want to do it without a shell. |
| 15:16.36 | goozbach | 1>&2 |
| 15:16.41 | goozbach | tee perhaps |
| 15:16.57 | goozbach | somescript | tee /dev/stderr |
| 15:19.36 | programmerq | tee might do it |
| 15:19.38 | programmerq | tries it out |
| 15:19.52 | programmerq | 1>&2 is a shell redirect, so won't help me for my bizzare case. :) |
| 15:22.39 | programmerq | tee /dev/stderr works, but has the side effect of also writing to stdout. socat -lf /dev/null STDIN STDERR seems to work too |
| 15:22.44 | programmerq | I always forget about socat |
| 15:24.07 | goozbach | why doesn't a shell redirect work? |
| 15:28.36 | TodPunk | goozbach: beware opening pandora's box |
| 15:29.08 | programmerq | to be honest, it might |
| 15:29.28 | programmerq | I'm playing with docker, and trying to get apache to write its errorlog to stderr |
| 15:29.38 | programmerq | and it looks like you have to use piped logging to get that to work |
| 15:29.51 | programmerq | and I don't thing apache executes that command inside a shell |
| 15:30.22 | jsmith | programmerq: Any reason you're not just using a "volume" for the logs? |
| 15:30.39 | programmerq | I want to take advantage of docker logging |
| 15:31.05 | programmerq | that's one of the advantages, in my opinion-- logs go to the same place no matter what the container is running |
| 15:31.25 | programmerq | and I'm not sure why so many people want to sidestep that convention by using a volume for log files |
| 15:32.06 | TodPunk | waits in hopes that the docker fad finishes its run soon |
| 15:32.09 | fugue88 | Did docker reinvent syslog? Why not have apache log to syslog, and have your syslog daemon do the right thing? |
| 15:32.30 | programmerq | they are hoping to add some cool syslog features |
| 15:32.33 | programmerq | but it's not there yet |
| 15:32.42 | programmerq | but I am planning on running these with coreos |
| 15:32.48 | fugue88 | TodPunk: I was chatting with somebody a couple of months ago about lxc containers. They said, "oh, that sounds like docker," as if lxc were copying docker. |
| 15:32.54 | programmerq | so you run your docker container with a systemd unit |
| 15:32.59 | programmerq | and you get systemd's journal |
| 15:33.14 | programmerq | which is what my goal is |
| 15:33.45 | programmerq | the problem with using syslog in a container is there isn't a clean, easy, predictable way to know what the host's IP is, so that makes logging to syslog less than idea |
| 15:33.47 | programmerq | ideal |
| 15:33.58 | programmerq | but is a valid solution indeed |
| 15:34.37 | TodPunk | fugue88: one of the many reasons we can not have nice things |
| 15:34.47 | programmerq | so, access logs go to stdout, error goes to stderr, and then I can have docker put them where I want, be it syslog, systemd's journal, splunk, logstash, whatever |
| 15:34.50 | fugue88 | nods in sad agreement |
| 15:36.02 | eightyeight | oh yay. firefox broke tabs. again. good hell. |
| 15:36.34 | Q_Continuum | Finally updated to 29? |
| 15:37.14 | eightyeight | no. i've been on 29 since debian pushed it to unstable |
| 15:37.19 | eightyeight | i just noticed this new "feature" |
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| 16:08.13 | youtah | Morning |
| 16:12.57 | davido_ | Is MATC in Orem? |
| 16:13.50 | davido_ | Hm, or Lehi. |
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| 16:21.49 | goozbach | harleypig: http://i.imgur.com/EChUE1q.jpg |
| 16:23.13 | programmerq | oh, that's creepy. |
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| 16:26.03 | ldav15_ | ^ |
| 16:26.15 | ldav15_ | Also not worth $24.99. |
| 16:26.36 | davido_ | fozzmoo Since nobody stepped forward for a June presentation yet, and because I'll be out of town on the 10th, I'm going to suggest we shift to the following week: 17th. If we have no volunteers by then, I'll do a "What's new in Perl 5.20" (sub signatures, new slice semantics, postfix dereferencing, etc) |
| 16:36.05 | youtah | http://i.imgur.com/FZX9WIB.gif |
| 16:37.57 | jxqz | ~napoleon |
| 16:37.57 | infobot | Girls only like guys who have great skills: Nun-chuck skills, bow hunting skills, computer hacking skills. |
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| 17:09.32 | jlp_znc | goozbach: the love of a clown is different from the love of a square |
| 17:09.51 | jlp_znc | oh, wait, that's a pimp, not a clown. never mind. |
| 17:16.57 | jxqz | ~spoiler |
| 17:16.58 | infobot | HARRY KILLS YODA!!!!1 |
| 17:17.52 | jxqz | <PROTECTED> |
| 17:18.33 | jxqz | and the thing I hate most about it, I know it's hard to decide that, is that it makes a fart sound every time someone chats something |
| 17:19.10 | jxqz | you can turn that off, but I guess there are people who don't turn of fart-like sounds for one reason or another |
| 17:20.20 | jxqz | I've just decided to run it in a very constrained VM that has no audio acess, so skripe can flatulate all it wants in its own jail that it lives in |
| 17:25.44 | romanovic_ | succinct and hilarious description of the net neutrality fight -> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fpbOEoRrHyU |
| 17:29.08 | fozzmoo | davido_: Okay. |
| 17:40.05 | Greagle | lol good stuff |
| 17:40.11 | Greagle | fly my trolls, fly!!! |
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| 17:47.08 | jlp_znc | jsmith++ on dealing with "ChrisHansen" |
| 17:47.20 | jlp_znc | ~jsmith++ on dealing with "ChrisHansen" |
| 17:47.29 | jlp_znc | ~karma jsmith |
| 17:47.29 | infobot | jsmith has karma of 23 |
| 17:47.36 | jsmith | jlp_znc: For various definitions of "dealing with" |
| 17:47.42 | jlp_znc | :-) |
| 17:47.50 | jsmith | jlp_znc: Mostly, it was just politely asking him not to be a troll, and then ignoring him |
| 17:47.58 | jsmith | jlp_znc: (especially when he started sending private messages) |
| 17:48.19 | jlp_znc | first time I ever got on IRC on the big bad Internet (1989), one of the first questions I was asked was "how many wives do you have?" |
| 17:48.29 | jlp_znc | I replied "one has always been sufficient for me" |
| 17:50.56 | jsmith | jlp_znc: How goes the new job? |
| 17:51.04 | jlp_znc | it is amazing. |
| 17:51.14 | jlp_znc | I love coming to work every day |
| 17:51.42 | jlp_znc | it is so unlike my last six months or so at Fusion-io that I can't even describe it |
| 17:52.14 | jlp_znc | and my manager actually cares about if I have a personal/family emergency! |
| 17:52.21 | jsmith | Impossible :-) |
| 17:52.26 | jlp_znc | I know, what a concept, ehh? |
| 17:52.41 | jsmith | Luckily, my job is that way as well -- it's demanding, but flexible and understanding too |
| 17:52.57 | jsmith | Ugh -- time to move to a different session at a conference. Back online in a little while... |
| 17:53.22 | jlp_znc | last week, I ended up working an issue until the wee hours (4:30-ish AM). when I opted to not come in the next day, my manager's response was "get some rest, and next time you get stuck like that give me a shout and I'll help out" |
| 18:15.49 | manithree | "The Internet in its current form is not broken and the FCC is currently taking steps to fix that." LOL |
| 18:43.49 | jxqz | ubuntu's useradd is weak |
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| 19:39.29 | youtah | http://imgur.com/gallery/BIfz4 |
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| 19:57.01 | eightyeight | jxqz: it's behaving like the standard useradd(8) on traditional UNICES |
| 19:57.16 | eightyeight | jxqz: if you want a higher-level utility, use adduser(8) |
| 19:57.29 | jlp_znc | and if you want it to actually work, use vipw |
| 19:57.48 | eightyeight | eek |
| 19:58.23 | eightyeight | no syntax checking with vipw(8). if you screw up the /etc/passwd file, and lock yourself out, tough beans |
| 19:58.43 | jlp_znc | syntax checking is for wimps |
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| 19:59.32 | eightyeight | syntax checking is for little girls, babies, and men who just had their ears ripped off |
| 19:59.39 | jlp_znc | we had a guy at whizbang! labs who tried to add a new user to the password file on our firewall using echo and >>, unfortunately, he use > instead of >> |
| 19:59.54 | eightyeight | facepalm |
| 19:59.57 | jlp_znc | he is now an SRE at google, believe it or not |
| 20:00.03 | d3c4f | awesome |
| 20:01.28 | jlp_znc | fortunately (?) we had the firewall machine (it was a sparc 20, I think) configured with two boot drives that were *not* mirrored, but were automatically synced via cron on a daily basis. when we discovered the problem (being that no one could log in), we booted from the copy and fixed the main drive. |
| 20:01.43 | jlp_znc | total down time was about 20-25 minutes, didn't affect production at all. |
| 20:02.18 | jlp_znc | it's one of the experiences I use to prove that RAID is not a backup mechanism |
| 20:02.25 | d3c4f | couldn't you just copy the other file over and have no downtime? |
| 20:02.44 | jlp_znc | d3c4f: had to get into the machine, first, so it had to come down anyway |
| 20:02.55 | d3c4f | ahhh |
| 20:05.45 | jxqz | eightyeight: I always get those confused |
| 20:06.05 | jxqz | a (former) guru is never phased by useradduseradduseradduseradd |
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| 20:32.49 | eightyeight | jxqz: yeah. if red hat hadn't broken with standards, and made useradd(8) a high level utility, it would be less confusing i think |
| 20:33.00 | eightyeight | of course, it doesn't help that debian created adduser(8), etc either |
| 20:33.17 | fozzmoo | http://www.ksl.com/?sid=30143775&nid=148&s_cid=rss-extlink |
| 20:34.36 | eightyeight | sounds like a winner |
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| 20:39.01 | fozzmoo | undertakingyou: !! |
| 20:39.16 | undertakingyou | fozzmoo: Whats up?!? |
| 20:39.31 | fozzmoo | just sittin in a meeting. :) |
| 20:39.47 | undertakingyou | Oh, that sounds fun. |
| 20:39.54 | fozzmoo | you? |
| 20:40.13 | undertakingyou | Just working. Started working with Ender Labs and getting up to speed. |
| 20:40.27 | fozzmoo | What are you doing? what does Ender Labs do? |
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| 20:40.35 | jlp_znc | they end things, no doubt |
| 20:40.45 | jlp_znc | you don't want to get on their bad side |
| 20:40.45 | fozzmoo | ssssssssssshhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhh! jnbek is here. |
| 20:41.06 | jlp_znc | knows a person named "Ender" |
| 20:41.07 | TodPunk | undertakingyou: buh? I thought you were at neutron interactive |
| 20:42.11 | TodPunk | undertakingyou: hence your hostname |
| 20:45.14 | fozzmoo | ~nacho undertakingyou |
| 20:45.37 | fozzmoo | !nacho |
| 20:45.42 | TodPunk | ~nacho |
| 20:45.42 | infobot | The people here think I don't know a buttload of crap about the gospel, but I do! |
| 20:45.50 | fozzmoo | ~lart undertakingyou |
| 20:45.50 | infobot | moos at undertakingyou |
| 20:45.57 | undertakingyou | TodPunk: I do contract stuff for Neutron |
| 20:46.02 | undertakingyou | Ender is in the same building. |
| 20:46.14 | undertakingyou | I am doing systems and tech support stuff for them. |
| 20:46.27 | TodPunk | undertakingyou: oh, so you know no loyalties =cP |
| 20:47.02 | fozzmoo | Cool. |
| 20:47.13 | fozzmoo | is done with his meeting |
| 20:47.49 | TodPunk | ~voiceme |
| 20:47.52 | TodPunk | ~voice |
| 20:47.52 | infobot | ACTION stands back: arrrr barf! barf! |
| 20:47.56 | TodPunk | pfft |
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| 21:12.06 | jnbek | pokes fozzmoo |
| 21:12.15 | jnbek | do what?! ;-) |
| 21:19.40 | davido_ | lol. "This call is from the blah blah blah technical department, about your Windows computer. Your Windows computer is "on" right now, is it not?" |
| 21:20.23 | davido_ | Me: I don't have a Windows computer. Caller: continued with his script anyway. haha |
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| 21:32.38 | ldav15_ | davido_: LOL. I love those calls. I only wish I had a Telecrapper 2000 to send them to... |
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| 21:42.34 | davido_ | His reluctance to deviate from the script even when I gave what should have been a "stop" condition (you're calling about windows, and I don't even use Windows) made me think for a moment it was a robo-caller, but then robo-callers don't typically have "outsourced" regional accents. |
| 21:49.22 | ldav15_ | Maybe scammers have quotas too. |
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| 22:07.34 | youtah | njachos |
| 22:07.36 | youtah | nachos |
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| 23:03.14 | jsmith | youtah: Quesadillas and nachos? |
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| 23:54.27 | jlp_znc | okay, telecrapper 2000 *needs* to be a kickstarter project |
