| 00:03.03 | shalkie | How about a funky little music video: http://youtu.be/oiKj0Z_Xnjc |
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| 00:55.05 | davido_ | Was there a problem at Legoland? |
| 00:56.55 | ldav15 | davido_: fire season in CA... |
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| 03:19.59 | davido_ | Hm, I should think that Legoland will fare alright. :) |
| 03:20.29 | davido_ | If not, the burning plastic will create a toxic cloud over the region. lol |
| 03:23.32 | ldav15 | Either that or they can just rename it "Daliland" or something depending on how blobby/charred the plastic bits end up. |
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| 04:44.54 | klys | ~libretro |
| 04:45.03 | klys | ~retroarch |
| 04:45.09 | klys | ~slashdot |
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| 05:59.15 | Greagle | dont tell ne 1 they can be safe from fires in slc |
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| 13:24.56 | shalkie | Is it bad that I just rummaged in a junk drawer for batteries and came across this: http://www.cpu-world.com/CPUs/80387/Cyrix-Cx87DLC-40QP.html |
| 13:25.04 | shalkie | ? |
| 13:25.26 | fugue88 | You put URLs in junk drawers? ;) |
| 13:26.20 | fugue88 | Wow, a Cyrix 387. That's quite the junk drawer. |
| 13:27.16 | shalkie | There was also a 133mhz 486 processor, but I thought the Cyrix was more impressive. |
| 13:29.18 | shalkie | Good Morning fugue88! |
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| 13:32.04 | fugue88 | Good morning. :) |
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| 15:13.33 | davido_ | shalkie: When you come across http://www.cpu-world.com/benchmarks/Intel/Core_i7-2700K.html please let me know. |
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| 17:01.30 | jxqz | ~napoleon shalkie |
| 17:01.31 | infobot | ACTION eats all of shalkie's steak |
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| 17:17.39 | shalkie | looks at infobot in shock |
| 17:17.46 | shalkie | Whhhhaaaaaa.... |
| 17:17.59 | shalkie | throws the empty plate over his shoulder. |
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| 17:46.36 | shalkie | Skeleton discovered in an underwater cave gives fossil and genetic evidence linking Native Americans to Siberians: http://nyti.ms/1qGoOgn |
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| 18:03.07 | jxqz | "skeleton discovered in random graveyard gives fossil and genetic evidence linking all humans" |
| 18:03.21 | jxqz | s/humans/earth life forms/ |
| 18:24.24 | romanovic | haha. sounds like one of those headline reductions |
| 18:27.58 | romanovic | "Archaeologists find archaic remains interesting" |
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| 20:00.06 | rsimpkins | "Skull Proves Humans are Human" |
| 20:00.35 | rsimpkins | Or, simply. "Humans Have Skulls!" Film at 11. |
| 20:01.09 | rsimpkins | Did anyone watch the Idaho GOP primary debate? |
| 20:03.10 | programmerq | random question-- anyone with a small business, what accounting software do you use? Do you use it for only your business accounts? personal as well? |
| 20:11.51 | jxqz | rsimpkins: who would subject themself to that? |
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| 20:13.38 | jlp_znc | most small businesses tend to use quickbooks |
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| 20:14.31 | jlp_znc | gnucash is supposed to be fairly good, but I haven't used it |
| 20:14.45 | jxqz | gnucash is pretty good |
| 20:14.47 | tensai | I use gnucash for my personal accounts and it rocks for that |
| 20:15.10 | jxqz | s/pretty good/awesome/ |
| 20:15.55 | tensai | my wife, who is decidedly non-technical, also uses and loves it |
| 20:19.04 | shalkie | programmerq: Your question made me think of bambooinvoice, which appears to have been shutdown :_( |
| 20:42.06 | jxqz | why is it that every bash construct looks and works like a hack? |
| 20:42.58 | programmerq | I've used gnucash on linux before. it's kind of garbage on OSX Mavericks though-- very glitchy. makes me sad. :( |
| 20:43.20 | bmurdock | real hackers use ledger-cli for accounting |
| 20:44.07 | programmerq | googles it |
| 20:44.10 | bmurdock | just kidding. Real hackers just keep track of it all in their head. |
| 20:44.31 | jxqz | isn't everything on osx mavericks glitchy? |
| 20:44.44 | bmurdock | http://ledger-cli.org/ |
| 20:44.50 | unum | I wrote my own android app |
| 20:45.02 | programmerq | jxqz: pretty much everything is fine so far |
| 20:45.28 | programmerq | but my workflow on OSX is pretty much just browser, terminal, ssh |
| 20:51.01 | unum | rsimpkins: quite of bit of coverage on it |
| 20:51.09 | unum | I'll have read about it at least |
| 20:51.36 | unum | usually their are rules to screen out the more interesting candidates |
| 20:54.03 | unum | the incumbant wanted them there.... |
| 20:57.57 | unum | maybe we should keep the convention system and just lower the bar, so if you say get 5% of the vote you get to be in a primary |
| 20:58.11 | unum | I stil favor jungle primaries |
| 20:58.27 | unum | or "non-partisan" elections like we do for municipal elections |
| 21:00.46 | programmerq | so I'm on the line with quickbook sales. I asked about the online billpay feature. The lady was like "we have it on Windows but not Mac because Mac is a more secure OS therefore we can't do online bill pay on the mac." |
| 21:01.09 | programmerq | I told her that explanation was garbage-- they don't have it because they haven't implemented it. :/ |
| 21:02.35 | jxqz | haha |
| 21:03.07 | programmerq | at least she didn't try to insist it further |
| 21:03.23 | programmerq | some costco sales lady spewed some garbage about framerates at me when I was buying a TV |
| 21:03.27 | programmerq | and I called her on it |
| 21:03.54 | programmerq | and she got all pissy and defensive "so you're saying that costco trains all their sales people wrong?" "yes. yes I am." |
| 21:10.37 | programmerq | yeah, I'm not going to touch quickbooks after that experience. :/ |
| 21:12.04 | jxqz | haha |
| 21:12.34 | jxqz | sales |
| 21:13.00 | jxqz | all sales is a lie |
| 21:13.03 | programmerq | ...yeah... |
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| 21:13.19 | Greagle | lol |
| 21:13.25 | Greagle | sup ya'll |
| 21:13.29 | unum | hello |
| 21:13.47 | unum | programmerq: you're looking for business software that runs on OSX? |
| 21:13.55 | Greagle | sales is like 'if you say it's good, then it is good' |
| 21:14.09 | programmerq | unum: yeah |
| 21:14.13 | unum | good luck |
| 21:14.17 | programmerq | :/ |
| 21:14.34 | programmerq | I don't like the idea of putting stuff like that into one of the "cloud" services. |
| 21:14.46 | programmerq | though, freshbooks does look nice. |
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| 21:15.55 | unum | hello yukaia_work |
| 21:20.52 | programmerq | looks like gnucash is still my best bet. |
| 21:31.19 | yukaia_work | hello unum |
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| 21:49.25 | jxqz | chrome sux donkeys |
| 21:50.35 | jxqz | proprietary garbage |
| 22:00.02 | eightyeight | chromium on the other hand is great |
| 22:00.33 | eightyeight | not an archaic, sell-out, memory leak that is firefox |
| 22:00.34 | eightyeight | :) |
| 22:02.56 | jxqz | chromium is more sellout than firefox |
| 22:03.05 | jxqz | it has all the stupidity of chrome builtin |
| 22:03.10 | eightyeight | who did they sellout to? |
| 22:03.12 | jxqz | by default even |
| 22:03.24 | eightyeight | i'm not following |
| 22:03.42 | eightyeight | there is no in-browser advertisements, and non planned, that i'm aware of |
| 22:03.42 | jxqz | from my experience chrome/chromium devs must be monkeys on crack |
| 22:03.54 | eightyeight | keep the crack flowing then |
| 22:04.15 | jxqz | chromium does what it wants, not what you want |
| 22:04.21 | eightyeight | how so? |
| 22:04.28 | jxqz | at least firefox doesn't do that |
| 22:04.48 | eightyeight | like restarting your browser after installing an extension? |
| 22:04.53 | eightyeight | or not cleaning up the ram when closing a tab? |
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| 22:05.19 | jxqz | eightyeight: I haven't expeirenced those things, but I wouldn't be surprised |
| 22:05.37 | eightyeight | (i'm referring to firefox) |
| 22:05.56 | jxqz | firefox doesn't restart for me when I install an extension |
| 22:06.03 | eightyeight | o.0 |
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| 22:06.25 | eightyeight | it always forces a restart after successful installation |
| 22:06.30 | jxqz | chrome/chromium is a burning pile of garbage UI disaster |
| 22:06.51 | jxqz | I have to restart chrome when it updates |
| 22:07.04 | jxqz | otherwise, major usability failure |
| 22:07.09 | eightyeight | ? |
| 22:07.37 | eightyeight | i've updated my system every day for the past couple months, and haven't restarted chromium yet |
| 22:07.43 | jxqz | a great example of how to do everything wrong with a browser ui |
| 22:07.44 | eightyeight | works fine |
| 22:08.03 | eightyeight | mozilla copied the 'tabs on top' |
| 22:08.12 | eightyeight | have yet to implement pid per tab |
| 22:08.21 | eightyeight | and proper sandbox isolation |
| 22:08.41 | eightyeight | and xul. ugh |
| 22:08.52 | jxqz | tabs on top are ugly |
| 22:09.01 | eightyeight | and the addons suggests non-free software |
| 22:09.17 | eightyeight | the separate search bar is redundantly silly |
| 22:09.35 | jxqz | firefox has its problems, but it's not part of the google empire |
| 22:09.59 | eightyeight | except it is |
| 22:10.04 | eightyeight | if it wasn't for google, it wouldn't exist |
| 22:10.20 | jxqz | so? |
| 22:10.44 | eightyeight | firefox is just as dirty with google as chrome/chromium is |
| 22:10.51 | jxqz | that's true, though, I guess, google has its shadow over lots of stuff by now |
| 22:11.59 | jxqz | the mozilla foundation has never been good to its open source community |
| 22:12.11 | jxqz | but they're nothing compared to what google is becoming |
| 22:12.26 | eightyeight | neither is their browser |
| 22:12.46 | jxqz | yeah, at least their browser is better than that google crap |
| 22:13.07 | eightyeight | i'm not a google apologist, and would love to distance myself from them |
| 22:13.27 | eightyeight | but chromium is winning the browser wars, from what are very obvious enhancements mozilla could learn from |
| 22:13.31 | jxqz | yeah right, you're totally a g00gle fanboy |
| 22:13.54 | eightyeight | if it weren't for my gpg key, i would cut the google tie right now |
| 22:13.56 | jxqz | with every passing firefox release, it becomes more and more chromium like |
| 22:13.58 | eightyeight | but i have too much history there |
| 22:13.59 | eightyeight | heh |
| 22:14.11 | jxqz | and the more I hate it |
| 22:14.12 | eightyeight | (as ironic as that sounds) |
| 22:14.20 | eightyeight | i can't stick with firefox |
| 22:14.22 | eightyeight | i've tried |
| 22:14.27 | eightyeight | it's too bloated. too unstable. |
| 22:14.38 | eightyeight | too slow. too feature-lacking. |
| 22:14.39 | jxqz | pretty soon I think I'm going konqueror |
| 22:14.42 | jxqz | or something |
| 22:15.02 | eightyeight | after only a few tabs on my laptop, firefox is almost completely unusable |
| 22:15.10 | eightyeight | chromium always remains responsive |
| 22:15.18 | jxqz | I've found that firefox is the browser with all the features and chromium is the one that only has the stuff google wants you to have |
| 22:15.21 | jxqz | even plugin-wise |
| 22:15.24 | eightyeight | i want to support mozilla |
| 22:15.33 | eightyeight | however, i don't support the in-browser ads they're rolling out |
| 22:15.39 | jxqz | it makes me sick |
| 22:15.46 | eightyeight | huh? |
| 22:16.01 | eightyeight | plugins are developed by the community just as much as for firefox |
| 22:16.03 | jxqz | chromium's plugin selection sux compared to firefox |
| 22:16.17 | eightyeight | yeah. maybe 5 years ago. |
| 22:16.21 | eightyeight | it's surpassed it now |
| 22:16.47 | eightyeight | although, i don't install a ton of extensions |
| 22:16.58 | eightyeight | i have a handful of privacy ones, and that's it |
| 22:17.43 | eightyeight | HTML5 for the win. |
| 22:17.48 | eightyeight | unlike that XUL garbage. |
| 22:18.03 | eightyeight | "XML! YAY!" |
| 22:18.30 | jxqz | chrome/chromium suffers from the facebook UI arbitration arrogance |
| 22:18.44 | eightyeight | simple? clean? out of the way? |
| 22:18.52 | eightyeight | minimalist? |
| 22:19.06 | jxqz | sorry pal, you have to use my program this way |
| 22:19.17 | jxqz | annoynceist |
| 22:19.20 | eightyeight | i don't understand what you mean |
| 22:19.23 | jxqz | obtuse |
| 22:19.29 | eightyeight | although you keep mentioning it |
| 22:19.32 | jxqz | featureless |
| 22:19.41 | jxqz | opaque |
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| 22:20.07 | eightyeight | i have full control over my browser. its memory usage. what plugns/extensions can be used. etc. |
| 22:20.17 | eightyeight | i fail to see where google is forcing my hand |
| 22:20.26 | jxqz | does it ask you whenever it needs to allocate another megabyte? |
| 22:20.55 | eightyeight | i hope not. why would i want to be bothered with kernel scheduling? |
| 22:22.13 | jxqz | yet you claim that you're in control of its memory |
| 22:22.27 | eightyeight | indeed |
| 22:22.34 | eightyeight | i close a tab, and the memory it used is free |
| 22:22.55 | eightyeight | if i need more resources on my system, i can start by closing browser tabs |
| 22:22.58 | jxqz | so to free a megabyte, you just close a tab? |
| 22:23.21 | eightyeight | it's pid per tab. which means malloc per tab. so, yes. |
| 22:23.25 | jxqz | here's a few reasons chromium is teh suk: http://ostatic.com/blog/making-projects-easier-to-package-why-chromium-isnt-in-fedora |
| 22:24.11 | jxqz | https://spot.livejournal.com/312320.html |
| 22:24.19 | eightyeight | a 5-year old post? |
| 22:24.20 | fungus | eightyeight, the new Firefox 29 is a whole lot more like chromium, and is pretty nice. Still no pid per tab yet, but getting closer. |
| 22:24.32 | jxqz | at least firefox isn't *that* bad |
| 22:24.43 | eightyeight | is this the same jxqz i know, or is someone else at the keyboard |
| 22:24.52 | eightyeight | yeah. 5 years ago, there weren't linux builds |
| 22:25.06 | eightyeight | they were focusing on windows, which is, you know, 90% of the desktop market |
| 22:25.10 | fungus | jxqz, it's not that bad now, but it was that bad before. |
| 22:26.11 | jxqz | this is not openoffice incompetence here, it's chromium dev/fanboi moronic disregard for the structure and wellbeing of anything not part of the pet project du jour |
| 22:26.20 | eightyeight | also, fedora |
| 22:26.58 | eightyeight | fungus: i have both pulled up, actually. including also seamonkey |
| 22:27.00 | eightyeight | heh |
| 22:27.12 | jxqz | which, also having been observed mit gross on android, and google play/plus seems to be endemic at google |
| 22:27.47 | jxqz | google is overteeming with code multiplicators |
| 22:28.04 | jxqz | "cram teh c0dez!one" |
| 22:28.14 | fungus | ~troll jxqz |
| 22:28.14 | infobot | ACTION hereby declares jxqz a troll |
| 22:28.25 | eightyeight | :( |
| 22:28.43 | jxqz | google jumped that shark some time ago |
| 22:28.58 | eightyeight | thankfully, no one is forcing you to use google, nor their products. |
| 22:29.07 | jxqz | indeed |
| 22:29.08 | eightyeight | there is always the walled garden that is apple |
| 22:29.12 | jxqz | ugh |
| 22:29.17 | eightyeight | maybe you could try the safari browser |
| 22:29.33 | jxqz | eightyeight: you want to safari in that apple garden? |
| 22:29.36 | eightyeight | i hear IE has made good progress |
| 22:29.51 | eightyeight | microsoft has a windows phone too |
| 22:30.03 | jxqz | yeah, ie and chrome are about equal now in repugnance |
| 22:30.22 | eightyeight | there's always the openmoko freerunner |
| 22:30.47 | jxqz | I'm going with firefoxos |
| 22:30.50 | eightyeight | or, you could run w3m(1) on OpenBSD |
| 22:30.51 | jxqz | for now |
| 22:30.56 | eightyeight | ducks |
| 22:31.13 | jxqz | because openbsd is so 'secure' |
| 22:31.16 | jxqz | and all |
| 22:31.29 | eightyeight | i don't know if they have framebuffer support for images though |
| 22:31.39 | fungus | lol |
| 22:31.53 | jxqz | centos 6 is incredibly secure because it defaults to not turning on the network on the first boot |
| 22:32.08 | jxqz | eightyeight: if you want images, try links2 |
| 22:32.15 | eightyeight | and yet, it uses a product BY THE NSA, to "harden" it |
| 22:32.18 | eightyeight | lulz |
| 22:33.24 | eightyeight | in other news: https://pthree.org/2014/05/16/openpgp-key-random-art-now-with-ansi-color-support/ |
| 22:34.52 | jxqz | I guess I could use chromium, but apart from all the UI annoyances (no random-access tabs, undisableable big brother search, asinine popup management) and google fanboism I just can't bring myself to submit to another tenet of the google empire |
| 22:35.10 | eightyeight | ? |
| 22:35.15 | eightyeight | you can easily change the default search |
| 22:35.52 | jxqz | damn you netsplit! |
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| 22:36.24 | eightyeight | that's ... not nice |
| 22:36.24 | eightyeight | 16:35:08 freenode -- Wallops from tomaw (tom@freenode/staff/tomaw): Quick reroute of a couple of servers |
| 22:36.27 | eightyeight | freenode has gotten very annoying lately |
| 22:37.44 | jxqz | anyway, I was saying that you can't change the behavior of the location bar to not search stuff that chromium doesn't understand |
| 22:38.33 | jxqz | like if I type in 'my_host.my_domain', chromium helpfully searches that for me instead of trying to dns resolve it, like a more traditional browser would |
| 22:38.53 | jxqz | and there appears to be no way to disable this behavior |
| 22:39.19 | jxqz | it is so deep into the design of the browser that people would only use the browser in the ignorant manner of a chromium dev |
| 22:41.47 | fungus | jxqz, just add a trailing slash if you want to force connection attempt instead of search. |
| 22:42.10 | fungus | eg. barehostname/ |
| 22:44.32 | jxqz | that's nice, but the fact that once you start typing an address and chromium immediately highlighs one of its suggested completions, which you can't override from what I've seen, is very disturbing |
| 22:44.58 | jxqz | it's like "you only get to choose from what we offer" |
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| 23:06.04 | eightyeight | jxqz: if you're searching for something that has URL behavior, put a '?' at the beginning of the search |
| 23:07.26 | eightyeight | IE: ?class.function |
| 23:09.01 | eightyeight | chromium is functionally superior to firefox, and you have a lot of control. i fail to still see where my hands are tied, and my freedom is restricted |
| 23:10.43 | eightyeight | one thing that REALLY bothers me with firefox, is the minimum tab width enforcement, and horizontal scrolling |
| 23:10.59 | eightyeight | that's fixed with an extension, but imo, that was a big regression when they introduced it |
| 23:11.27 | eightyeight | horizontal scrolling the tab bar? seriously? i must have missed where computer mice have horizontal scroll wheels by default |
| 23:12.15 | eightyeight | i am bothered by the fact that chromium won't encrypt my saved passwords on disk, unless using gnome-keyring or kwallet |
| 23:12.25 | eightyeight | but that was easily solved with ecryptfs |
| 23:12.49 | eightyeight | i do prefer firefox's password management and crypto |
| 23:12.59 | eightyeight | and i do prefer their network proxy settings |
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| 23:13.29 | eightyeight | and about:config is very nice |
| 23:13.51 | eightyeight | but their SSL cert handling is horrendous |
| 23:13.56 | eightyeight | it's a full blown disaster |
| 23:15.28 | eightyeight | firefox has gotten better about not introducing regressions in their codebase though |
| 23:15.39 | eightyeight | for a long time, i honestly thought their days were numbered |
| 23:16.05 | eightyeight | the rising bug count on regressions alone, from version to version, was just embarassing for mozilla |
| 23:17.24 | eightyeight | https://ashughes.com/?p=117 and https://ashughes.com/?p=139 are good reads, from a mozilla firefox QA engineer |
| 23:20.34 | shalkie | So, it is Friday. I wonder what I am going to do this evening... |
| 23:23.33 | eightyeight | i'm heading to the living arts festival, tonight and possibly tomorrow |
| 23:23.58 | eightyeight | shalkie: also, don't know if you saw, but: https://pthree.org/2014/05/16/openpgp-key-random-art-now-with-ansi-color-support/ |
| 23:24.09 | eightyeight | (the netsplit happened right after) |
| 23:31.48 | shalkie | eightyeight: I had missed that. Very nice! |
| 23:32.05 | eightyeight | thx |
| 23:34.01 | shalkie | Wow, the Festival looks like fun. Hmmm... If I do all my chores this evening I can justify going into town tomorrow on my way to the airport... |
| 23:34.07 | shalkie | does some bad math |
| 23:35.53 | eightyeight | where are you headed? |
| 23:37.01 | shalkie | KC, KS. |
| 23:37.32 | shalkie | So time to get some BBQ on. :) |
| 23:38.07 | eightyeight | nice |
| 23:38.37 | shalkie | I may be brining back a bag of sauce. |
| 23:38.45 | shalkie | And by bag I mean a roller bag. :) |
| 23:42.12 | eightyeight | $35 per day. :) |
| 23:45.11 | shalkie | That is a lot of BBQ sauce if I sepnd 20 on food. :D |
| 23:45.22 | shalkie | s/sepnd/spend/ |