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| 00:51.02 | shalkie | youtah and bmurdock : yeah, xmission with utopia is pretty rockin. i looovveeess it! |
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| 00:55.46 | TodPunk | shalkie: the only reason I don't have it is because utopia. |
| 00:55.54 | TodPunk | grrr |
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| 01:53.58 | shalkie | ah, well TodPunk, i just moved to the northern barrens and verified current avail. before buying. After 5 years of teasing it was going to happen in the move. |
| 01:54.46 | shalkie | used to see buildings across the street that had it, but couldn't get it. |
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| 15:12.40 | fadein | TIL The URL given at OpenWest for the free O'Reilly ebook is bogus. The correct URL is http://www.oreilly.com/pub/get/openwest |
| 15:23.18 | davido__ | I've been seeing people tweeting about that; bad gateway or something. |
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| 15:53.43 | youtah | fozzmoo, |
| 15:53.44 | youtah | https://fbcdn-sphotos-a-a.akamaihd.net/hphotos-ak-frc3/t1.0-9/10298760_855330471147872_9157626089404811097_n.jpg |
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| 16:10.18 | fozzmoo | clicks... with trepidation |
| 16:10.23 | Jayce | youtah: so I hear out of all the features of your new phone, you didn't know about the camera |
| 16:11.55 | jsmith | Jayce: He actually thinks that his camera will do nice 4k video... |
| 16:12.22 | fozzmoo | youtah: That's very appropriate. We should hang out. |
| 16:19.21 | levi | Yo. |
| 16:19.40 | levi | Lambda Lounge yesterday was great. |
| 16:36.45 | youtah | * fozzmoo clicks... with trepidation <<< ROFL |
| 16:37.13 | youtah | Jayce, I am confused..... |
| 16:47.09 | levi | This is awesome: http://vimeo.com/95066828 |
| 16:54.01 | jxqz | levi: I wanted to go, but instead I laid down some Handel choruses |
| 16:55.21 | levi | jxqz: C'mon now, Handel choruses have been around for how long now? When are you going to get to see Will Byrd talk about mini-Kanren and quine-generating programs now? |
| 16:57.43 | goozbach | I don't know about awesome, It's kinda like meh for this |
| 16:58.07 | eightyeight | i'm 8 minutes into the presentation, and i'm wondering what the content actually is |
| 16:58.20 | eightyeight | funny, kind of |
| 16:58.24 | eightyeight | annoying, definitely |
| 16:58.36 | levi | What, no one else posts links with content, I thought I'd join in the fun. |
| 16:58.42 | goozbach | "funny" |
| 16:58.47 | eightyeight | levi: ah. gotcha |
| 16:58.50 | eightyeight | heh |
| 16:59.01 | goozbach | F'in day |
| 16:59.21 | goozbach | apparently changing the firewall mode of a cisco ASA blows away all configs |
| 16:59.43 | goozbach | including the ip address you're using to manage the thing |
| 17:00.27 | goozbach | here's hoping the remote hands at the datacenter can connect a serial console |
| 17:01.04 | goozbach | no content, elitist snobbery, 11min of "clouds are hard" |
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| 17:02.37 | levi | Heh. They *are* hard. Most of the research results in distributed systems are impossibility results. |
| 17:04.19 | eightyeight | slapstick humor just isn't my thing |
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| 17:06.38 | levi | Sarcastic humor? |
| 17:07.38 | eightyeight | what's sarcasm? |
| 17:08.36 | levi | A much more appropriate descriptor for the talk's humor style than "slapstick"? |
| 17:09.20 | eightyeight | i get that he's trying to be funny |
| 17:12.20 | levi | Sure, but "slapstick" involves exaggerated physical motion. |
| 17:12.24 | jxqz | levi: historic recordings |
| 17:12.29 | jxqz | I can't miss it |
| 17:12.59 | levi | jxqz: There are plenty of historical recordings of Handel choruses as well. I don't think he's going to write any new ones. |
| 17:15.16 | jxqz | levi: but none of them include me |
| 17:15.56 | levi | Anyway, I'm sorry that not everyone found the talk to be as funny as I did. But not very sorry. |
| 17:16.09 | eightyeight | heh |
| 17:16.15 | eightyeight | yeah. i guess that's true about slapstick |
| 17:16.45 | eightyeight | IT WAS THE FUNNIEST MOIVE I'VE EVAR SEEN. EVAR. LOL |
| 17:18.55 | levi | Lots of people do find him funny, and he's had a few columns in USENIX's ;login: magazine. You can hopefully forgive me for mistaking you guys as his target audience. |
| 17:19.23 | romanovic | levi: that was funny! reminds me of the lecture style of some of my more energetic professors. |
| 17:19.31 | eightyeight | in all seriousness, i wasn't expecting something like that from you |
| 17:19.36 | eightyeight | youtah, yes. levi, no |
| 17:19.39 | eightyeight | heh |
| 17:20.00 | eightyeight | and, i've heard great things about microsoft research. so, i was hoping to be inspired |
| 17:20.03 | eightyeight | feels so let down |
| 17:20.39 | levi | Well, I can find some cool contentful videos of Microsoft Research guys pretty easily. No one seems to comment on those here, though. |
| 17:20.55 | eightyeight | heh |
| 17:21.50 | eightyeight | it's actually interesting to watch this channel's culture/style change over the years |
| 17:23.49 | jxqz | everybody got older and boringer |
| 17:24.02 | jxqz | and far too few sjansen rants |
| 17:24.15 | levi | Except me. I am older and interestinger, but more busy. |
| 17:29.59 | levi | And much better dressed. |
| 17:30.41 | RyanE | "hey you kids, get off my #Utah". |
| 17:30.48 | levi | Here's a way less sarcastic and more inspiring Microsoft Research guy: www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ia55clAtdMs |
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| 17:41.23 | Migs | hahahahaha https://i.imgur.com/DSvfoEV.jpg |
| 17:47.23 | eightyeight | ah. the sorting with the kids was really cool |
| 17:47.27 | eightyeight | without computers |
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| 17:56.16 | eightyeight | http://csunplugged.org/sorting-networks |
| 18:08.15 | youtah | eightyeight, levi what did I no do? |
| 18:11.58 | jxqz | stuff |
| 18:17.43 | youtah | that video is fantastic levi |
| 18:21.46 | jxqz | ~nacho |
| 18:21.46 | infobot | Do you remember when the people were shouting my name and I used my strength to rip my blouse? |
| 18:25.21 | unum | http://www.digitaltrends.com/computing/csi-cyber-will-take-crime-fighting-dark-net/#!Nt7I4 |
| 18:25.25 | unum | this could be really bad |
| 18:37.28 | jessie | unum: If people are doing it right, it should be extremely tough to prove anything on the dark net or whatever. |
| 18:38.24 | unum | jessie: people rarely do it right |
| 18:39.01 | jessie | Indeed. Having javascript or flash turned on, admitting to something, having a user agent that uniquely enough identifies you, etc. |
| 18:39.15 | jessie | 60% of these things are solved by the Tor Browser. |
| 18:39.29 | jessie | But 90% of the time people eff up it’s due to them just admitting they did it. |
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| 18:45.32 | unum | I think they mentioned something about authenticating against a server with tor at times and sometimes with out it |
| 18:45.38 | unum | will cause problems |
| 18:45.56 | unum | that might be related to how NSA can snoop on tor users |
| 18:47.44 | jessie | Oh, yeah, duh. If you’re logging onto reddit using Tor thinking you’re sucure and you logon with the same credentials one time, they can corrolate all traffic to you. |
| 18:48.07 | jessie | But if they’re hidden services that’s tough to have happen since they’re not accessible outside Tor. |
| 18:57.02 | fozzmoo | http://i.imgur.com/jJ0EbGI.jpg |
| 19:07.35 | Jayce | I need another grill spatula... https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RllWJUvrxEY |
| 19:08.43 | jsmith | fozzmoo: That's epic... |
| 19:09.55 | goozbach | Jayce: Imma gonna go buy two, tomorrow for payday |
| 19:10.52 | Jayce | I was full, now I have the munchies |
| 19:11.25 | jsmith | Jayce: I have a bag of saltwater taffy, if that interests you... |
| 19:11.50 | jsmith | Jayce: Huckleberry, cinnamon, orange, peppermint, and black licorice :-p |
| 19:12.15 | Jayce | I'm just wanting that cheese |
| 19:12.16 | fozzmoo | Jayce: You feeling like a run to a gas-station? |
| 19:12.22 | fozzmoo | Jayce: Because, if so... |
| 19:12.25 | fozzmoo | shakes keys |
| 19:13.56 | goozbach | wants to come! |
| 19:14.00 | Jayce | now, imagine putting that grilled cheese on some nachos... (cue @youtah) |
| 19:14.10 | Jayce | goozbach: we're hiring, you can if you want :) |
| 19:14.15 | fozzmoo | goozbach: We sure missed you last week. |
| 19:14.19 | goozbach | me too! |
| 19:14.23 | fozzmoo | goozbach: You'd better not miss it next year. |
| 19:14.25 | goozbach | and now I'm missing openstack summit |
| 19:14.49 | Jayce | you know, there's a company doing way cool stuff with openstack.. .and they're hiring.. |
| 19:14.55 | fozzmoo | goozbach: Tell you what: Put together a nice keynote and maybe we'll fly you out. |
| 19:15.16 | fozzmoo | Jayce: Oh yeah? Like bleeding edge stuff? |
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| 19:19.20 | jsmith | Jayce: But do they have awesome co-workers, and actually do really cool stuff with Open Source and all that?!? |
| 19:20.32 | Jayce | wonder if they let people present at conferences... |
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| 19:51.27 | shalkie | Oh, alton brown put up a dog biscut video too! http://youtu.be/r7qpBWVzXBs |
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| 20:26.54 | jalbretsen | this may be a dumb question, but I want to confirm.... as far as I know, there is no general standard email system where two servers can pass email unencrypted, right? I mean, I know I can send email via SSL / TLS from me to my relay, and if I manage two mail servers that talk to each other, I can set up SSL / TLS, and I can download mail over SSL / TLS, but as far as I know @domain1.com sending email to @domain2.com at some point will be unencry |
| 20:29.45 | goozbach | jalbretsen: if you're sending email assume it's unencrypted in transit |
| 20:30.08 | goozbach | it *should* be encrypted from your MUA to your MTA, and from the recipent's MTA to their MUA |
| 20:30.19 | goozbach | <PROTECTED> |
| 20:30.31 | goozbach | anything you wouldn't put on a postcard don't put in an email |
| 20:30.46 | goozbach | if secuirty is what you need you need to do encrypted message using PGP |
| 20:31.32 | fozzmoo | goozbach: ++ |
| 20:32.50 | jalbretsen | goozbach, thanks for the reminder of the terms, it's been a while since I've worked on mail server projects |
| 20:34.50 | goozbach | I just bought a domain the other day tdmtla.org |
| 20:34.57 | goozbach | which I've still got to get up and running |
| 20:35.08 | goozbach | too damn many three letter acronyms |
| 20:35.14 | jalbretsen | okay, so I'm not crazy. I have someone working with my compnay saying that if, like you said MUA / MTA connections are secure, then the mail will be secure and they want to make sure we are using encryption, and my first though is how you explained it. Just wanted a I'm-not-crazy confirmation |
| 20:41.17 | fungus | jalbretsen, don't forget to enable TLS encryption for MTA to MTA as well. This is opportunistic, and may fallback to unencrypted, but it's better than nothing. |
| 20:41.58 | fungus | Relevant: https://www.facebook.com/notes/protect-the-graph/the-current-state-of-smtp-starttls-deployment/1453015901605223 |
| 20:44.31 | shalkie | jalbretsen: Fungus is absolutely correct. You can setup sendmail and postfix to use encryption if available. Currently if you require it you are probably going to find yourself cut off from alot of private domains. |
| 20:44.40 | shalkie | Google will use encryption if it is available. |
| 20:44.57 | shalkie | Though I haven't tested any other providers in a while. |
| 20:48.02 | goozbach | I wonder if two bread pans would work instead of spatula trays... |
| 20:48.19 | jalbretsen | ah, a server can offer it, but not required via RFC2487, so never assume. So this request makes more sense now. At first I thought they were referring to MUA / MTA communication and therefore it's a guarantee all will be well, and I laughed at them. |
| 20:49.42 | fungus | Bare minimum, http://paste2.org/nce96mmn |
| 20:50.50 | fungus | even a self-signed cert will function, and is better than nothing. Though a "real" cert would be better. |
| 20:51.36 | shalkie | I just did a test with yahoo and they did encryption, but I wasn't able to verify. So that could be a self sign. |
| 20:51.38 | jessie | I hate the whole certificate system we have. “real” certs are subject to government subpoenas and such. |
| 20:51.39 | shalkie | Now I wodner. |
| 20:51.49 | shalkie | s/wodner/wonder/ |
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| 20:54.44 | eightyeight | heh. http://www.dailydot.com/politics/ann-coulter-twitter-photoshop/ |
| 20:56.43 | goozbach | jessie: did that actually go through? the sopena thing I mean? |
| 20:59.39 | jessie | goozbach: I’m not certain what exactly you speak of, but it would not surprise me if it has happened at least once. Gov goes to one of the CAs and makes them give a fake signed key, they use that to snoop and sniff on traffic. |
| 21:00.09 | jessie | Hell, if they’re intercepting routers and servers and putting snooping chips in them, I’m sure that they’ll go after CAs too. |
| 21:05.54 | goozbach | who has experience with cisco ASA's? |
| 21:06.09 | goozbach | I need to change my current setup from routed to transparent mode |
| 21:06.20 | goozbach | and when I did that from the cli I got booted off the remote access. |
| 21:06.47 | goozbach | is there a way to do it all at once? in a config file perhaps? |
| 21:07.48 | shalkie | Oh and thanks tomstokes, goozbach and Q_Continuum for the advice on the Plenum cable. Now I just have to plan a trip into ogden to get some or place a monoprice order. |
| 21:07.59 | shalkie | Wasn't that yesterday? |
| 21:08.10 | shalkie | D'oh, sorry. Need to scroll back down. |
| 21:09.47 | fungus | goozbach, you can create the config file offline, and upload it to startup-config, then reboot. |
| 21:11.13 | goozbach | fungus: easiest way to do the config editing w/out futzing things up? |
| 21:11.20 | goozbach | save the routing mode config, then modify? |
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| 21:12.08 | fungus | I've never played with transparent mode before. I'm not sure. Do you have another device you can test on? |
| 21:13.59 | goozbach | no :/ |
| 21:14.10 | goozbach | gotta do it live, in the datacenter across the country. |
| 21:14.23 | goozbach | it's the only box in the rack atm too... so no serial console |
| 21:16.06 | fungus | Maybe try a simulator? |
| 21:17.20 | jessie | goozbach: You must like to live dangerously. |
| 21:17.55 | jxqz | fly a drone over there into the datacenter |
| 21:18.03 | jxqz | it can powercycle it for you as necessary |
| 21:18.39 | fungus | Do you have a PDU with controllable ports? |
| 21:21.19 | goozbach | I've got remote hands |
| 21:21.28 | goozbach | so I open a ticket, wait an hour or two |
| 21:21.34 | goozbach | but geez |
| 21:43.32 | shalkie | goozbach: Is it in Bluffdale? I think we could find someone to run down the hall if it was. :) |
| 21:46.51 | pashdown | goozbach junos "commit confirmed" ftw |
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| 21:58.28 | goozbach | pashdown: does that do the trick with "firewall transparent" ? |
| 22:00.49 | pashdown | it commits your changes on a juniper device with a timeout for rollback. if you don't commit again (because you've been locked out) it will rollback. |
| 22:02.45 | shalkie | Oh, nice! |
| 22:05.57 | goozbach | pashdown: that work on cisco? |
| 22:06.00 | goozbach | :) |
| 22:10.46 | pashdown | which is why like juniper... |
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| 22:14.36 | goozbach | :D |
| 22:25.17 | tensai | goozbach, on cisco the equivalent is "reload in 10" with "reload cancel" once you confirm it works |
| 22:25.39 | tensai | where "10" is in minutes |
| 22:28.00 | pashdown | learn something every day |
| 22:28.34 | tensai | it's saved my butt a number of times |
| 22:28.40 | pashdown | does anyone hate making cables as much as i do? |
| 22:29.38 | tomstokes | Yes. |
| 22:29.42 | tomstokes | Very much so. |
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| 22:31.49 | pashdown | they should have a cable making contest at openwest next year |
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| 22:36.45 | goozbach | orangewhite orange greenwhite blue bluewhite green brownwhite brown |
| 22:37.13 | goozbach | pashdown: monprice or cables2go one of those will send you skittles with your order |
| 22:37.21 | joshh_ | yes that's the best way |
| 22:38.25 | pashdown | unfortunately i still have to make long runs and outdoor cables :( |
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| 22:39.52 | goozbach | ahh that'll do it |
| 22:39.56 | goozbach | all baseT? |
| 22:40.03 | goozbach | or got optical stuff in there? |
| 22:40.21 | pashdown | base-t for wireless |
| 22:41.39 | joshh_ | crimping outdoor cat5 is horrible |
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| 22:47.15 | goozbach | the gooey stuff... |
| 22:47.18 | goozbach | eek |
| 22:52.19 | tensai | thicknet forever! |
| 23:03.06 | youtah | ~fish fozzmoo |
| 23:03.06 | infobot | ACTION slaps fozzmoo around with a large trout |
| 23:12.22 | goozbach | tensai: what's the trick to load a config all at once, and on reboot have it go back to the old config? |
| 23:12.37 | goozbach | is a cisco noob when it comes to ASAs |
| 23:14.38 | tensai | it's been a while |
| 23:14.51 | tensai | first you'd do reload in 10 |
| 23:15.01 | tensai | then copy flash: run, I think |
| 23:15.56 | tensai | "run" is magic meaning copy the file into the active config |
| 23:16.23 | tensai | "copy ?" should give you help on what your source file options are |
| 23:17.23 | tensai | http://www.cisco.com/c/en/us/td/docs/ios/12_2/configfun/command/reference/ffun_r/frf006.html#wp1021855 |
| 23:19.13 | goozbach | copy, that's the command |
| 23:19.23 | goozbach | gonna try manually loading this guy. |
| 23:19.38 | goozbach | tomorrow, I'm to tired tonight |
| 23:19.41 | goozbach | thanks for the hlep |
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| 23:40.14 | youtah | http://i.imgur.com/BDySk.gif |
| 23:46.04 | programmerq | youtah: nice |
| 23:46.36 | programmerq | youtah: you might need to tweet that |
| 23:49.34 | TodPunk | In case some of you aren't on the Facebook PLUG thingamajig, via Jeff McGrath: http://vimeo.com/95066828 |
