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00:15.55jlp_zncsodaplayer: 0.9.8k
00:18.32sodaplayerAhh ok. Maybe there's something in 1.0.1g that's causing my TLS connect to fail.
00:24.52jlp_zncinteresting... my linux desktop at work has 1.0.0-fips 29 Mar 2010
00:25.13jlp_zncI wonder which fips library it is using
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15:24.59eightyeighthttp://www.redhat.com/about/news/press-archive/2014/4/red-hat-to-acquire-inktank-provider-of-ceph
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15:28.39goozbachthat's exciting
15:29.36eightyeightyeah. awesome news
15:29.48eightyeightalthough red hat has a couple clustered and distributed filesystems
15:30.01eightyeightso, i'm curious how this will fit in an already crowded product offering
15:30.05goozbachhaving another isn't a bad thing
15:30.18eightyeightcould be
15:30.20goozbachlots of integrators are using ceph already
15:30.27goozbachso bringing it 'in-house' only helps
15:30.30eightyeighti'm excited for ceph+btrfs though
15:30.43eightyeightand i'm excited to see the development cycle improve
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16:59.14youtah~nachos
16:59.15infobotschweet.
16:59.22youtahlicks the NAND
16:59.39youtahbmurdock, you still in here?
16:59.43youtahSchweet
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17:00.14youtahOldCoder...... is that you jlp_znc?
17:00.16youtah;-)
17:05.47OldCoderNo; but thank you for the inquiry!
17:06.07youtahlol, yeah... just giving jlp_znc a hard time. Which I am sure he's way older than you are
17:06.15OldCoderAh
17:06.20OldCoderHe is ancient as in over 30?
17:06.21youtah(i have no idea, just playing ;) )
17:06.29OldCoderVery well
17:06.32youtahHe's well seasoned
17:06.50youtahLike a cheese
17:07.37youtahNice to meet you btw OldCoder .... I don't think I've ever chatted with you btw
17:08.17OldCoderNice to meet you too, youtah. Yes, we probably haven't talked; I'm here because I've considered moving to Utah. A Sandy resident directed me here.
17:08.28OldCoderPresently, China seems more likely but Utah is on the table.
17:08.38youtahAh cool! Great place to live. I used to Live in Sandy as well, now in Lehi.
17:08.59OldCoderThere are apparently companies that use Perl in the larger cities
17:09.02youtahwe like to have fun in here
17:09.06OldCoderLehi?
17:09.17youtahyeah, outskirts of the Salt Lake valley
17:09.20OldCoderWhat are typical things to do?
17:09.27jlp_zncyeah, I'm older than 30
17:09.57youtahThe mountains here form a huge bowl, with a plethora of cities. One of the cities being Salt Lake City. We refer to this bowl as the Salt Lake Valley. or somethings just as "Salt Lake" for short
17:10.02youtahlol jlp_znc
17:10.04rog3rmake babies, take additional wives, go to church activities, family home evening, maybe something exotic like a free museum or nicelcade
17:10.17youtahROFL rog3r
17:10.20rog3rs/nicelcade/nickelcade
17:10.26OldCoderrog3r, it sounds nice enough
17:10.39youtahOldCoder, you very active/outdoorsy at all?
17:10.46OldCoderWhen I was younger
17:10.52OldCoderI remember the Great Salt Lake BTW
17:11.02OldCoderBut it's been over 40 years since I was there
17:11.26OldCoderimagines that he could go hiking in Utah
17:11.34youtahBoating in the summer, water skiing, snow skiing, golfing, snow boarding, hiking, camping, backpacking, hunting, fishing, photography, lots of places to visit/travel
17:11.43OldCoderThis seems reasonable
17:11.56bmurdockyoutah, yes I'm here, sorta
17:11.57youtahoff-roading (four wheel drive vehicles, or ATVs)
17:12.52OldCoderRacing?
17:13.03youtahOldCoder, not much in the way of nightlife (in comparison to say Vegas, or LA). No gambling and you can only buy beer from the grocery stores. You have to go to a State run store to purchase alcohol (wine, spirits, etc)
17:13.19OldCoderVery well
17:13.22bmurdockyoutah, though it's time for lunch
17:13.29youtahWe have what we call the Rocky Mountain Raceways that does a bunch of drag racing, etc
17:13.40tomstokesAlso Miller Motorsports Park
17:13.44OldCoderMy friend there likes the area well enough
17:13.46youtahTons of mountain biking, horseback riding, parasailing. hanggliding, etc
17:13.52OldCoderHe keeps a number of animals
17:14.01OldCoderPhotos suggest nature
17:14.06youtahYou can always go out to the Salt Flats and try and hit 140mph in your Honda Civic
17:14.12OldCoderIs that safe?
17:14.17youtahlol
17:14.23youtahdepends on how good of a driver you are
17:14.26youtahAFK Lunch
17:14.32youtahbmurdock is stealing me away
17:14.35jlp_zncbmurdock: youtah: FYI, I referred a former co-worker for my old job... not sure if you've got someone yet, but it was still on glassdoor.
17:14.53youtahnot yet
17:15.00OldCoderyoutah, thank you for the remarks
17:15.03OldCoderEnjoy lunch
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17:56.44Migshttp://www.opposingviews.com/i/society/woman-finds-letter-chinese-prison-laborer-saks-fifth-avenue-shopping-bag
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19:09.24infobotJust listen to your heart.  That's what I do.
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20:24.54youtahis ONE DAY AWAY from the end of the Semester!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
20:25.46unumis so glad he's not in school
20:25.53jlp_znctoo
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20:31.49goozbachis contemplating getting a degree
20:32.30jxqzgoozbach: why?
20:33.34jxqzif you don't have a degree now, then you're one of my anecdotal examples of why degrees don't matter
20:33.53jxqzhas had far too much of 'school'
20:34.10jlp_zncjxqz: you can add me to your list
20:34.21jxqzno more intellectual hazing at the behest of the university
20:34.23jxqzfor me
20:34.26jxqzjlp_znc: sure
20:34.35jlp_zncran out of money one quarter short of getting his degree
20:35.04jlp_zncI could have gone to school at the Y for free when I worked there, but I could never quite bring myself to sign up for any classes
20:35.15jxqzgoozbach: but if you're doing it for fun, to learn, or to advantage yourself by having the cert, then it may be worth it
20:35.50youtahintellectual hazing, lol
20:36.40jxqzjlp_znc: I was in graduate school at UU for a PhD in theoretical quantum cosmology, relativity, but I couldn't pass the matriculation exam
20:37.46jlp_zncI look back at my career and, sure, there were some opportunities I missed out on because I didn't have the expensive piece of parchment/vellum, but overall, I didn't miss much.
20:38.12jxqzI eventually petitioned on the evidence of major depression and anxiety, failed on my penultimate, and threw my ultimate attempt, but 9 months out, now I'm glad I'm not going back
20:38.43jlp_zncproblem is, you're still paying for the PhD that you didn't get :-(
20:39.03youtah11 years now and I am still working on my bachelors
20:39.17youtahfor a degree in a field that I will probably never work on
20:39.27youtahI guess that happens when you only take one or two classes at a time
20:39.34jxqzthe university is supposed to be a place of intellectual liberation, the philosophy of reality, but in great irony it's just a fantastical reality all its own
20:39.37jlp_zncheh, a friend of mine, who works as a sysadmin for the navy, has a degree in french
20:39.57youtahShould have gotten a BA in Interior Design
20:39.59goozbachjxqz: at some point I have a dream of teaching at the college level
20:40.02youtahjust for the kicks
20:40.02goozbachmaybe
20:40.07jxqzand the people there are all complicit; those who know it's fake are in the advantage, and those who don't are being abused for it
20:40.08goozbachthat's the only reason
20:40.31jxqzjlp_znc: actually I got in with full financial assistance
20:40.39jxqzthis is very common in science, especially physics
20:40.39jlp_zncoh, nice
20:40.49youtahI like Physics
20:40.53jxqzI also was a TA during the two years I was in
20:41.13jlp_zncthe USAF paid for my education.  of course, I had to pay them back when I didn't go in.
20:41.15jxqzgoozbach: that's awesome
20:41.24jxqzbut don't get lured in by the tenure farce
20:41.36jlp_zncbut it was a lot easier to pay them back than my student loans.  no interest. :-/
20:41.39jxqzteach for fun, research for fun, and don't ever join 'them'
20:42.07jxqzjlp_znc: I actually do have student loans from my undergraduate days, but they'll be paid off before the end of the year
20:42.54youtahI dont think anyone has interest in paying their student loans
20:42.56youtah;-)
20:43.02jlp_znc:-)
20:44.19youtahI used to be indecisive but now I'm not so sure.
20:44.43jxqzthe real need for school is to learn how to learn, to obtain a universal knowlege about educating yourself.  Once you have that, the rest is impatience and irrelevant
20:45.46youtah^ that and I also like the fact that it forces you to educate (at least a little bit) in other areas, that you'd never look at or educate yourself, making yourself even that more well rounded
20:46.13youtahto which a masters degree and PhD breaks away from that mold
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20:47.19jlp_zncyes, I think my education was valuable.  it taught me that I didn't know everything and that not everything would be easy to learn.  I also learned that I actually love history.
20:47.36jlp_znc(took mostly history classes for humanities requirements)
20:48.14jlp_zncbut I know I learned more about programming and computers in the first six months on the job than I did in four years of college
20:49.16harleypigI'm well rounded and I only have an associates degree.
20:50.28youtah^
20:51.21jlp_zncI'm well rounded, too, but that's more due to my diet than my education
20:52.47youtahI thought the Sorority girls liked well rounded....
20:54.27jxqzjlp_znc: yes, that's one of the fallacies
20:54.45jxqzpeople think that college is only and specifically supposed to educate you for a job
20:55.24jlp_zncI think trade tech (assuming such a thing still exists) is supposed to do that
20:55.36jlp_znchmmm, time to go to the "tech all hands" meeting
20:55.54jxqzsounds fun
20:55.56youtahJayce, did you share this oculus rift in here?
20:56.08youtahhttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_fNp37zFn9Q
20:56.12Migshahahahaha https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oj73WWcii2k
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21:01.13youtahLoved it Migs
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21:28.00SunSparc~:)stats
21:28.01infobottotal count of :) on #utah: 1286.  Top 3: goozbach -- 258 (20.1%), fugue88 -- 98 (7.6%), maquis -- 89 (6.9%)
21:36.17youtah~:(stats
21:36.22youtah:(
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22:16.55jlp_zncso what's the deal with :) vs. :-)?  I always use the full smiley, with the hyphen, but I notice a lot of people who use it without.  When did it become acceptable to leave the hyphen out? and when did it become "the norm?"
22:27.20romanovicdunno.  both are on the canonical list of emoticons by dave barry http://www.randomhouse.com/features/davebarry/emoticon.html
22:49.50harleypig~:)bottomstats
22:51.59bmurdock:V:-|
22:57.59eightyeight¯\_(ツ)_/¯
23:00.20bmurdocksorry, eightyeight, that's not on Dave's list
23:02.50harleypig\O_
23:02.53harleypig_O/
23:03.05harleypig\O/
23:03.30harleypigO
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23:08.03harleypigbtw, jlp_znc, I've been using :) since at least the mid-90s
23:08.20harleypigquite possibly even earlier than that ...
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23:10.44harleypigummm ... oops
23:11.01harleypigthat wasn't supposed to go here ...
23:11.09harleypigsorry
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23:14.06jlp_znc:-)
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23:15.16jlp_znc< cool >
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23:32.33harleypigah ... cowsay ...
23:36.28harleypig<PROTECTED>
23:36.28harleypig< Hi! >
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23:36.42harleypigew ... that didn't work as expected.
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23:38.29jlp_zncwhat was it supposed to be, harleypig?  a butterfly?  or something less... tasteful?
23:38.47harleypigecho 'Hi!' | cowsay -f eyes
23:39.24harleypigi thought about doing echo "ow" | cowsay -f sodomized but thought better of it.
23:39.35jlp_znc:-)
23:40.52jlp_zncI guess I can see the eyes... if I squint a bit
23:41.30harleypiglooks fine on my console, but not in my browser window, even with monspace fonts.
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23:48.48harleypigFound it!
23:48.51harleypigfunction cowsay_random () { echo "$@" | cowsay -f $(cowsay -l | perl -ne 'next if /Cow files in .*:/; push @cf, split /\s+/}{ printf "%s", @cf[ rand @cf]'); }
23:50.57harleypigoh, wow ... I wonder why I did it that way.
23:51.40harleypigfunction cowsay_random () { cowsay -f $(cowsay -l | perl -ne 'next if /Cow files in .*:/; push @cf, split /\s+/}{ printf "%s", @cf[ rand @cf]') "$@"; }
23:51.49harleypigwould work just as well, and be slightly less confusing
23:54.45jlp_znconly just slightly, though.
23:55.14harleypig:/ I suppose it's a sign of my insanity that I can read that with no problems ...
23:55.41jlp_zncwell, it's readable enough.  I'd probably make more judicious use of white space, myself.
23:56.25harleypigeh
23:56.33harleypigwhitespace is ok in a program
23:56.48jlp_zncis that not a program?
23:57.43jlp_zncyou could "use" the cowsay program and call it's functions directly :-)

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