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| 00:47.58 | bboy799 | wassup my homies |
| 00:48.45 | bboy799 | anyone in here from SLC? |
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| 00:51.54 | eightyeight | no homies |
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| 06:12.11 | harleypig | ~salad |
| 06:12.12 | infobot | i guess salad is the distro of the future |
| 06:12.23 | harleypig | ~toss salad |
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| 15:51.03 | youtah | ROFL harleypig |
| 15:51.12 | youtah | ~salad toss |
| 15:51.20 | youtah | that didnt work either |
| 15:57.03 | youtah | So I posted this on Facebook.... |
| 15:57.04 | youtah | John drown. So at his funeral we got him a flower wreath that looks like a life ring. It's what he would have wanted. |
| 15:57.10 | youtah | Super funny IMO |
| 15:57.15 | youtah | These are the comments I get back |
| 15:57.22 | youtah | S: ? |
| 15:57.33 | youtah | A: What? |
| 15:57.43 | youtah | D: ...died doing what he liked best... how's that? |
| 15:57.51 | youtah | face palm |
| 15:58.05 | youtah | Luckily I had fozzmoo there to comment this..... |
| 15:58.29 | youtah | fozzmoo: "/me squeezes a lemon over S." |
| 15:58.49 | fozzmoo | beams |
| 15:59.35 | youtah | Sex is not the answer. Sex is the question. "Yes" is the answer. |
| 15:59.42 | youtah | Having sex is like playing bridge. If you don't have a good partner, you'd better have a good hand. |
| 15:59.51 | youtah | 3 kinds of people: those who can count & those who can't. |
| 15:59.58 | youtah | Viagra eye drops.
They make you look hard. |
| 16:00.07 | youtah | They make you look harder |
| 16:01.07 | youtah | Thesaurus.... The most knowledgeable of all dinosaurs. |
| 16:01.18 | youtah | Wikileaks for kids: There's no Santa |
| 16:02.25 | youtah | This one's for harleypig: Punctuation:
The difference between “Helping your Uncle, Jack, off his horse.” and "Helping your uncle jack off his horse." |
| 16:02.34 | youtah | The difference between Helping your Uncle, Jack, off his horse. and "Helping your uncle jack off his horse." |
| 16:02.34 | opapo | What are some load testing tools you guys use? |
| 16:02.44 | fozzmoo | Perl |
| 16:02.52 | youtah | opapo, what kind of load testing? |
| 16:02.52 | fozzmoo | Linux |
| 16:02.58 | youtah | Python |
| 16:03.00 | fozzmoo | Bash |
| 16:03.01 | youtah | Bash |
| 16:03.02 | youtah | crap |
| 16:03.04 | fozzmoo | :) |
| 16:03.21 | youtah | opapo, like a web Pen test? |
| 16:03.36 | opapo | I want to test the load of a webservice. I want to simulate 800+ users hitting it at once. |
| 16:03.36 | youtah | I know how to kill hard drives pretty well now.... |
| 16:04.11 | youtah | http://www.manvswebapp.com/web-hacking-survival-kit/tools |
| 16:04.26 | goozbach | opapo: apache bench |
| 16:04.30 | goozbach | and siege |
| 16:04.40 | goozbach | I've used both |
| 16:04.47 | goozbach | siege is a little hard to setup initinally |
| 16:05.04 | opapo | how does apache bench work? Do I install it on my machine and test the load on a different machine? |
| 16:05.08 | goozbach | but if you give it urls from "real traffic" it does a good job of indicating what the load will do |
| 16:05.21 | youtah | If you're trying to record and mimic user actions, check out Watir for Ruby |
| 16:05.37 | goozbach | opapo: both you install on a rmote server and point at your web stack |
| 16:05.54 | goozbach | there's an siege log harvester too IIRC |
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| 16:06.54 | youtah | selenium mechanize twill |
| 16:07.05 | opapo | Here's what I've experienced. We were using a hosting company that was limiting database connections. We hit it with multiple hundreds of parents and the server crashed |
| 16:07.43 | opapo | youtah: I have used selenium. |
| 16:08.01 | goozbach | is this a money maker or an expense? |
| 16:08.11 | opapo | Do you need multiple computers to simulate 1000 users at once? |
| 16:08.18 | goozbach | if money maker, what's the platform? |
| 16:08.28 | opapo | The server is linux. |
| 16:08.35 | goozbach | if not AWS or other scalable system, why not? |
| 16:08.41 | opapo | This is not making us money |
| 16:09.18 | goozbach | you can ususally get to about 1k "users" with a beefy enough box |
| 16:09.28 | opapo | goozbach: we want to host this in house. There is access to student data and we need to protect that. |
| 16:09.35 | youtah | You could create a python script that launches up twill |
| 16:09.44 | opapo | connections to the database need to come from inside the district |
| 16:09.46 | goozbach | the problem is, if it's remote you're gonna exceed your upstream bandwidth before you reach that |
| 16:09.48 | youtah | depending on how simple or complex the task is that you're doing |
| 16:09.59 | youtah | ^ goozbach +1 |
| 16:10.14 | goozbach | idealy you should run the load tester on teh same segment as the target |
| 16:10.16 | youtah | unless you're at keldwud's house with Google Fiber |
| 16:10.26 | goozbach | to minimise your variables |
| 16:10.40 | goozbach | youtah: even then he's gonna exceed traffic for most "hosting companies" |
| 16:11.03 | goozbach | same segement to measure your application performance in a vacuum |
| 16:11.08 | youtah | unless they're using that.... <blanks the companies name> |
| 16:11.38 | goozbach | you'll need to run the test again from outside to see real-world stats, but that's not measuring application, that's mesauring the platform |
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| 16:12.31 | goozbach | there was a project someone mentioned which spins up a bunch of AWS instances to do load testing, but I've forgoten it's name |
| 16:12.41 | opapo | I will test the app from within our district with an automated process, then ask users to test it. |
| 16:12.53 | goozbach | given a short-enough lenght the cost would be minimal |
| 16:13.08 | goozbach | opapo: I'd suggest siege or A/B or the like then |
| 16:13.25 | opapo | goozbach: I just talked to my boss about manually spinning up AWS instances to do that. |
| 16:13.31 | goozbach | esp if you've got a good login/page/page/page/task/ workflow |
| 16:13.44 | goozbach | realtiviely easy to setup |
| 16:13.50 | goozbach | half day learning curve tops |
| 16:13.56 | opapo | I'll look up siege and revisit selenium |
| 16:13.57 | youtah | yeah, if you have a complex workflow, don't use twill |
| 16:14.29 | youtah | I'm not sure selenium is going to be the answer now knowing what you're trying to accomplish |
| 16:16.40 | opapo | youtah: thanks for the heads up. |
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| 16:17.36 | youtah | dremex_work, |
| 16:17.38 | youtah | howdy |
| 16:17.52 | youtah | GUESS WHAT?!?!?!?!?!?!??!?! |
| 16:18.03 | youtah | It's supposed to be 77F on Saturday and sunny! |
| 16:18.29 | dremex_work | Sweet |
| 16:18.35 | dremex_work | Much better than yesterday |
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| 16:22.51 | youtah | you didn't like 20F last night? |
| 16:23.11 | youtah | doesn't know what temp it actually was... it just felt like that |
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| 16:41.17 | dremex_work | makes commuting via bike a bit chilly |
| 16:41.32 | jlp_znc | supposed to be 90 here today |
| 16:42.33 | dremex_work | dayum |
| 16:42.46 | dremex_work | Are you walking to the office these days? |
| 16:42.48 | jlp_znc | it's a beautiful 59 right now |
| 16:42.54 | jlp_znc | I walk to the bus stop :-) |
| 16:43.08 | jlp_znc | bus takes me to the caltrain station and there is a shuttle from caltrain to the office |
| 16:43.17 | dremex_work | nice |
| 16:43.39 | jlp_znc | I'm walking home (from the caltrain station) because the bus doesn't come by for about a half hour and it's only a 30 minute walk anyway |
| 16:44.16 | jlp_znc | still looking for an apartment. finding one in my price range is ... difficult. |
| 16:44.47 | dremex_work | http://www.padmapper.com/ |
| 16:45.25 | jlp_znc | I've been using hotpads and zillo rents, but I'll check out padmapper. thanks. |
| 16:46.35 | jlp_znc | lot of scams out there |
| 16:46.39 | dremex_work | yeah |
| 16:46.50 | jlp_znc | when you see a 2bd 2ba for $800, you pretty much know it's a scam |
| 16:47.58 | Jayce | points to a place in UT |
| 16:48.00 | Jayce | :) |
| 16:48.08 | jlp_znc | I already have a place in UT |
| 16:48.17 | jlp_znc | (not selling my house) |
| 16:51.37 | jlp_znc | http://igg.me/at/quickey/x/617336 <- quickey keychain tool (file, screwdriver, scoring point, serrated edge for opening things, and bottle opener) |
| 16:52.40 | programmerq | jlp_znc: looks cool, but these days if it's on indiegogo, it's like 30% likely to be a scam. |
| 16:53.18 | jlp_znc | really? I haven't had any trouble |
| 16:53.53 | programmerq | http://www.gameskinny.com/8ko50/scams-on-indiegogo-endangering-kickstarter-campaigns |
| 16:54.39 | programmerq | indiegogo is extremely unresponsive when people submit complaints when something is likely a scam |
| 16:54.51 | jlp_znc | interesting |
| 16:55.05 | programmerq | I heard someone saying they even updated their ToS to be more lax about their responsibility wrt scams. |
| 16:55.40 | youtah | throws a smothered burrito at jlp_znc's bus and casually walks away |
| 16:55.56 | jlp_znc | that was rude |
| 16:56.05 | jlp_znc | well, off to R&D "boot camp" |
| 16:56.39 | youtah | lol |
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| 17:09.05 | unum | I got my rasbpx set up with vitelity yesterday, so thanks to those who suggested it |
| 17:09.47 | unum | for someone reason I was thinking vitelity would let me add DIDs for $1/month, but I must have misremembered, because I don't see anything like that on their site now |
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| 18:17.45 | romanovic | anyone have a recommended directory navigation utility for command line? |
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| 18:18.14 | romanovic | e.g. to avoid doing this: /home/me/some/really/deep/dir/structure/that/takes/many/commands/to/move/through/and/I/hate/it$ cd ../../../../../../ |
| 18:18.14 | Jayce | cd .. ls :-p |
| 18:19.24 | romanovic | maybe a way to jump to an arbitrary parent directory, and neither cd ../ nor tab completion from root is going to get you there quickly |
| 18:19.48 | romanovic | i'm certain I saw one featured on hackernews once, but i can't remember what it was called |
| 18:19.56 | Jayce | you know about push/pop and cd - right? |
| 18:22.38 | romanovic | yes, and they're helpful, but i want more |
| 18:23.40 | romanovic | or maybe i don't know all the features of push/pop. can you cherry pick a dir in your stack to popd? |
| 18:26.12 | romanovic | dirs |
| 18:27.21 | romanovic | looks like you can list w/ dirs and bring one to the top. |
| 18:27.24 | romanovic | learns a new skill |
| 18:31.10 | romanovic | oh I think this might be the utility I saw before http://jeroenjanssens.com/2013/08/16/quickly-navigate-your-filesystem-from-the-command-line.html |
| 18:31.44 | romanovic | lets you mark deep, frequently visited dirs, and jump to them easily. includes tab completion |
| 18:32.21 | macnewbold | i use symlinks for that usually… |
| 18:33.57 | romanovic | yeah, i think that's all this tool does. creates symlinks for you, and then adds a mark/unmark/jump to create or cd to them very quickly |
| 18:34.53 | romanovic | s/adds a/adds commands/ |
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| 19:11.10 | jxqz | all this caltalk is offtopic and will be considered when the topic police arrive |
| 19:11.20 | jxqz | wait, this is #utah, no topic police |
| 19:34.50 | jxqz | ~napoleon topic police |
| 19:34.51 | infobot | ACTION makes topic police his secret service captian |
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| 20:59.08 | jxqz | why does windows still exist? |
| 20:59.28 | jxqz | there's no reason other than user ignorance |
| 20:59.50 | jxqz | you can hardly do anything with it without great, unnecessary trouble |
| 21:01.07 | sodaplayer | You can probably find a Mac or Windows user saying that same last thing about Linux. :P |
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| 21:07.21 | jxqz | but at least with linux, when you find out the central problem, it won't have to do with paying money for a "feature" that has been disabled |
| 21:19.50 | rsimpkins | jxqz: You're right. With Linux the feature isn't available for purchase. It just simply isn't available. If you are a programmer and can add it in something resembling hours instead of months, it might be worth it. If not, please take my money and give me some immediate functionality. |
| 21:20.27 | rsimpkins | Doing things yourself is never really free. |
| 21:21.38 | jxqz | rsimpkins: that's almost never been my experience |
| 21:22.11 | rsimpkins | jxqz: It just depends on what you need it to do, I suppose. |
| 21:22.20 | jxqz | windows and mac aren't special platforms that implement everything you want, but have to pay money for |
| 21:22.52 | jxqz | is confused about what he's arguing |
| 21:22.52 | jxqz | is too tired |
| 21:23.29 | jxqz | I guess a linux-based libre platform implements almost everything I want already |
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| 21:24.01 | sodaplayer | Anyone here know a bit of TLS? |
| 21:24.20 | rsimpkins | Same. SSH and a web browswer are apps I use 99.9999% of the time on Linux. In windows, that is not the case. |
| 21:26.05 | sjansen | Anyone work at Digicert? I'd like to propose a new ad campaign: "Service so good you'll want to hate us because we're a CA but you just can't." |
| 21:26.11 | sodaplayer | I'm trying to connect to my university's SMTP server but the connection always dies on the server_hello. |
| 21:26.49 | jxqz | have you tried using thunderbird to test the connection? |
| 21:27.02 | sodaplayer | I'm using openssl s_client at the moment. |
| 21:27.32 | sodaplayer | openssl s_client -connect smtp.utah.edu:25 -starttls smtp -debug |
| 21:27.42 | sjansen | s/you just can't/won't be able to/ |
| 21:27.43 | jxqz | I haven't done much with that kind of stuff, but thunderbird makes it easy to setup and test connections |
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| 21:32.18 | sodaplayer | Oh hmm . . . forcing ssl3 seems to get it to work. |
| 21:34.46 | sjansen | sodaplayer: Clearly at this point you should open a support ticket including full technical details and berating them for still using ssl3. |
| 21:35.33 | sjansen | They'll probably upgrade immediately then offer you a job as Director of Information Technology. |
| 21:36.07 | sodaplayer | Haha |
| 21:36.53 | sodaplayer | It's like if you're not on the campus network, you can't TLS into the server. |
| 21:37.44 | sodaplayer | When I have to send an email from off campus, I ssh into an engineering lab machine and tunnel smtp over that. |
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| 21:58.12 | jlp_znc | romanovic: try using shell variables... i.e. d=/path/to/very/deep/directory/that/I/do/not/want/to/type/every/time; cd $d |
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| 22:13.41 | jlp_znc | sodaplayer: I was able to connect to smtp.utah.edu using s_client... no problem. Protocol: TLSv1 |
| 22:13.54 | jlp_znc | I did not use -debug, though |
| 22:14.12 | jlp_znc | just tried it again with -debug... no problem. |
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| 22:30.21 | jxqz | jlp_znc: that's what I usually do |
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| 23:15.09 | unum | anyone else use veracity? |
| 23:29.44 | sodaplayer | jlp_znc: What version of openssl are you on? |