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| 16:02.38 | youtah | For those of you that weren't at Comic Con..... https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1Vq7BTLhYbA |
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| 16:31.19 | RyanE | how can it rival Disneyland? I don't see a single Churro cart anywhere!?! |
| 16:32.15 | romanovic | youtah: did you get to go up top? we walked up and talked to them, it sounds interesting |
| 16:41.41 | ldav15 | RyanE: maybe Evermore has a secret bar too |
| 16:42.00 | RyanE | more interested in the Churro cart... :) |
| 16:42.12 | RyanE | priorities, man. |
| 16:51.46 | unum | why haven't I been using sieve before now???? |
| 17:01.07 | davido_ | Anyone know where to donate a heavy sofa that is in reasonably good shape, but needs to be picked up? |
| 17:02.02 | fungus | freecycle? Is that still a thing? |
| 17:02.32 | RyanE | I think freecycle still is a thing. |
| 17:02.37 | romanovic | post it on ksl.com classifieds |
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| 17:04.09 | romanovic | local yard sale fb pages are also a good place to offload things |
| 17:04.33 | RyanE | or craigslist |
| 17:04.49 | davido_ | Giving KSL a try now. |
| 17:05.45 | davido_ | Feels like I should put a price of some kind just so that I get only 50 calls instead of 250. |
| 17:06.55 | unum | davido_: one you get one call you take it down :) |
| 17:07.06 | unum | that one call will probably happen in 5 minutes |
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| 17:16.42 | goozbach | anyone ever built a vim 7.4 rpm on centos 6? |
| 17:20.22 | Snowrider | no only ever build newest emacs on cent |
| 17:20.27 | Snowrider | why do you ask? |
| 17:25.52 | goozbach | cause I'm trying to get it working but it's kicking my trash |
| 17:27.03 | Snowrider | Interesting will it not compile at all? |
| 17:30.06 | goozbach | nope |
| 17:30.15 | goozbach | bombs out during linker phase |
| 17:30.24 | goozbach | which is odd, cause it'll compile by hand |
| 17:30.57 | Snowrider | that is odd |
| 17:31.38 | Snowrider | Must be a difference from the link command in the makefile and what your doing when your linking it. |
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| 17:34.26 | goozbach | yeah |
| 17:34.39 | goozbach | but tracking that down in a complex 1200 line specfile is infurating |
| 17:36.45 | Snowrider | Yeah understandable ill try building on Scientific linux which should be similar |
| 17:43.48 | Snowrider | what is your ./configure options? |
| 17:46.48 | goozbach | exactly as the rawhide srpm has it |
| 17:49.27 | Snowrider | I was able to build from vim sources provided on vims homepage and it succesfully built and installed but I didnt build the actually rpm ill try that next |
| 17:52.57 | goozbach | me too |
| 17:53.14 | goozbach | heck, I'm able to build the sources inside the src.rpm but not the rpm itself |
| 17:54.17 | Snowrider | hrrrm it could be that the spec is incompatable with cent/enterprise but compatible with fedora 21/rawhide |
| 17:54.36 | goozbach | most likely |
| 17:54.41 | Snowrider | you would think that wouldnt be the case |
| 17:54.42 | goozbach | but WHY!? |
| 17:57.00 | jima | that's...not uncommon. |
| 17:57.33 | Snowrider | I'm not an rpm expert so I cant really say |
| 17:57.40 | jima | i am an rpm expert |
| 17:57.52 | jima | well, a retired rpm expert ;-) |
| 17:58.15 | Snowrider | Well that answers that. |
| 17:58.24 | jima | as the spec file format evolves, they add features |
| 17:58.37 | jima | they don't typically backport those features to older releases |
| 17:58.42 | Snowrider | gotcha |
| 17:59.15 | jima | i can't tell you how many times i've developed a package for the latest fedora, only to have the spec crash and burn under the latest rhel/centos |
| 17:59.17 | Snowrider | that makes sense I didnt think about that |
| 17:59.47 | Snowrider | Thank you |
| 18:01.05 | jima | what i've ended up doing more times than i'd like is basically doing a merge between the spec for an older version (that was built on centos) and a newer version (that was built for a newer fedora) |
| 18:01.13 | jima | diff is your friend |
| 18:01.20 | goozbach | jima: walking that path now |
| 18:01.32 | goozbach | Snowrider: ./configure --build=x86_64-redhat-linux-gnu --host=x86_64-redhat-linux-gnu --target=x86_64-redhat-linux-gnu --program-prefix= --prefix=/usr --exec-prefix=/usr --bindir=/usr/bin --sbindir=/usr/sbin --sysconfdir=/etc --datadir=/usr/share --includedir=/usr/include --libdir=/usr/lib64 --libexecdir=/usr/libexec --localstatedir=/var --sharedstatedir=/var/lib --mandir=/usr/share/man |
| 18:01.34 | goozbach | --infodir=/usr/share/info --with-features=huge --enable-pythoninterp=dynamic --enable-perlinterp --disable-tclinterp --with-x=yes --enable-xim --enable-multibyte --with-tlib=ncurses --enable-gtk2-check --enable-gui=gtk2 '--with-compiledby=<bugzilla@redhat.com>' --enable-cscope '--with-modified-by=<bugzilla@redhat.com>' --enable-netbeans --enable-selinux --enable-rubyinterp=dynamic |
| 18:01.37 | goozbach | oh boy sorry |
| 18:01.46 | jima | i wish i still had downtime for contributing to fedora |
| 18:01.59 | jima | but, i'm happier that i have a job that doesn't suck |
| 18:03.17 | Snowrider | Ill see if I can get it working as well |
| 18:06.40 | goozbach | yay! i replicated the failure manually! |
| 18:12.34 | goozbach | hmmm it might be perl related |
| 18:13.04 | goozbach | removed --enable-perlinterp and it's getting further |
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| 18:13.38 | Snowrider | interesting my perlinterp needs a newer version of perl |
| 18:13.42 | Snowrider | maybe* |
| 18:14.30 | goozbach | python too |
| 18:15.07 | jxqz | ~napoleon goozbach |
| 18:15.08 | infobot | ACTION eats all of goozbach's steak |
| 18:16.58 | jxqz | goozbach: spec is, ironically not that great of a spec :) |
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| 18:32.27 | goozbach | http://dogvoiceman.org.uk/index.php?m=07&y=13&entry=entry130709-122242 |
| 18:32.36 | goozbach | apparently link-as-needed breaks stuff? |
| 18:33.13 | keldwud | <ahem> ... I present to you, the best movie of 2012: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JK-Fbj_FV2I |
| 18:34.55 | jxqz | JK-Fbj_FV2I? |
| 18:35.26 | jxqz | goozbach: rpath troubles? |
| 18:36.23 | jxqz | /etc/ld.linux.so.d/ seems to be a good linker solution even though it short changes all of the 'elegance' fully portable code+libs |
| 18:36.54 | jxqz | the state of link on linux is too full of hack |
| 18:37.04 | jxqz | to be a good system |
| 18:37.51 | jxqz | a system that allows and encourages so much unqualified, undefined behavior is by definition too much hack and not enough design |
| 18:38.41 | jxqz | LD_LIBRARY_PATH, RPATH are just hacks that ultimately make it much worse, not better |
| 18:39.57 | jxqz | not to mention ldd |
| 18:40.16 | goozbach | vim is one step nastier as it's got a link.sh doing the hard work if the target's linker is futzy |
| 18:40.17 | jxqz | as being more hack that harms more than helps |
| 18:40.37 | goozbach | just commented out the link.sh steps which are forcing a relink |
| 18:40.39 | goozbach | trying that |
| 18:42.30 | jxqz | the last time I looked, vim's build system seemed like quite a piece of work |
| 18:44.21 | jxqz | reminds me of http://xkcd.com/224/ |
| 18:45.49 | jxqz | because anything so much used everywhere and by everyone is necessarily going to contain code entropy on the order of the universality of the project |
| 18:46.13 | jxqz | irreducible structure == code entropy |
| 18:47.30 | goozbach | got it by disabling that stuff |
| 18:47.37 | goozbach | kinda seems kludgy |
| 18:47.39 | goozbach | but ok |
| 18:48.01 | goozbach | time to roll my own patch I suppose. |
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| 19:16.35 | youtah | romanovic, I did not. I was pretty busy the whole time |
| 19:36.16 | youtah | So neybar_work is in trouble. cc: Jayce |
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| 19:56.26 | romanovic | youtah: you post your comiccon photos anywhere? |
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| 20:02.15 | shalkie | Comicon? Did someone say... Oh yeah, I see that romanovic did... ;-) |
| 20:15.08 | shalkie | Text Terminal Webcam: https://github.com/mustafaakin/terminal-webcam |
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| 20:30.30 | jxqz | shalkie: you should integrate that into finch |
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| 20:38.22 | goozbach | yay for forking another RPM! |
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| 20:47.12 | shalkie | jxqz: That is an awesome idea. :-) |
| 21:08.30 | jxqz | shalkie: you should port pipelight and pepperflash to links |
| 21:09.07 | jxqz | what does `my_proc --stuff |& var` mean? |
| 21:10.11 | jxqz | the bash man page describes the |& token as directing stderr into the pipe rather than stdout, but then I'm encountering this construct where the right side of the pipe is clearly not a command |
| 21:13.01 | levi | Ugh, so sleepy. |
| 21:14.42 | jxqz | unacceptable |
| 21:15.04 | jxqz | you can't be sleepy if you're still typing in sentence format |
| 21:15.27 | jxqz | ~napoleon levi |
| 21:15.27 | infobot | ACTION makes levi buy a lotto ticket for Napoleon |
| 21:15.45 | jxqz | signs levi up for Rex-Quan-Do |
| 21:16.28 | levi | Well, I have recently become slightly more awake. |
| 21:16.34 | levi | But only slightly. |
| 21:16.56 | levi | My book on quaternions is not keeping me awake. |
| 21:19.33 | levi | The anecdotes about gimbal lock and upside-down F16s were pretty entertaining, though. |
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| 21:21.02 | levi | Apparently, at some point in the development of the F16 fly-by-wire software there was an error in the calculation of orientation such that when you travelled south of the equator, notions of "up" and "down" were swapped. |
| 21:23.43 | levi | Supposedly the motion control system was supposed to keep actual maneuvers within survivable parameters (i.e., not exceeding the G-forces a human body can withstand), but the sudden inversion of orientation managed to produce a correction that rolled the aircraft so fast that it killed its simulated pilot. |
| 21:30.13 | RyanE | was that not only during the *transition* from north to south or vice-versa? |
| 21:30.29 | RyanE | that software'll kill ya. |
| 21:33.00 | jlp_znc | anyone interested in some cutting edge programming job working on internet television? I just got a call from a guy at dish digital... he's desperately looking for software engineers. |
| 21:33.17 | jlp_znc | gave me his cell phone number to pass out to anyone interested |
| 21:41.20 | levi | If I were looking, I'd likely be somewhat qualified. |
| 21:41.45 | jlp_znc | it's not supposed to have anything at all to do with the satellite side |
| 21:41.57 | jlp_znc | all brand new development |
| 21:42.14 | jlp_znc | I think he said they are in AF |
| 21:42.32 | levi | "It is not generally realized that Dante's universe is explicitly non-Euclidean, perhaps because of our tendency to compartmentalize knowledge into subjects, and then to suppose that one subject has nothing to say about another." |
| 21:43.29 | jlp_znc | munches cashews from the break room while deploying software on 120 machines |
| 21:44.25 | levi | Well, I expect it has more to do with the networking of audio/video data. Which I've spent the last 5 years working on. |
| 21:44.40 | jlp_znc | do you want to talk to him? |
| 21:45.33 | levi | Hmm. I dunno. I am not really looking to change jobs at the moment. |
| 21:45.45 | jlp_znc | if you change your mind, pm me |
| 21:45.59 | jlp_znc | if you know anyone else who you think might be interested, let me know that, too. :-) |
| 21:54.18 | shalkie | jxqz: |& in recent versions of bash joins STDERR and STDOUT before passing STDOUT through the pipe. |
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