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| 15:38.08 | goozbach | ~lart youtah |
| 15:38.08 | infobot | flings poo at youtah |
| 15:38.14 | goozbach | not enough |
| 15:38.23 | goozbach | ~destroy youtah |
| 15:38.23 | infobot | no |
| 15:38.28 | goozbach | ~no |
| 15:38.41 | goozbach | ~no |
| 15:39.55 | eightyeight | ~lart goozbach |
| 15:39.55 | infobot | hits goozbach with an anvil and laughs with a contralto voice ... Haha Ha HA Ha |
| 15:40.08 | goozbach | no is a special keyword :( |
| 15:40.12 | goozbach | can't set no to a reply |
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| 16:07.27 | jlp_znc | wow, 64GB flash drive for $15 after rebate ($25 before rebate) |
| 16:08.40 | eightyeight | i imagine flash drive manufacturers are having a hard time competing with cloud storage |
| 16:09.08 | eightyeight | it's much more conevient to have my data all on one place, including my phone, than to carry around a memory stick |
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| 16:09.49 | tomstokes | Actual flash storage chips are in very high demand right now |
| 16:10.11 | tomstokes | Mobile devices and SSDs are consuming huge quantities of flash |
| 16:10.41 | tomstokes | Well, the higher speed and lower power stuff anyway. I'm sure the cheap flash drives are just getting slow, power-hungry old chips |
| 16:10.42 | eightyeight | SSDs indeed |
| 16:11.08 | eightyeight | usb thumb drives have a limited future, imo |
| 16:12.21 | unum | the only thing I use removable media for in installing os/network drivers |
| 16:12.57 | jlp_znc | http://bit.ly/1lFmQWT if anyone is interested... tiger direct, free shipping today. |
| 16:21.47 | fozzmoo | Nice. |
| 16:28.15 | sodaplayer | So ARIN's is winding down on the IPv4 addresses. What sort of things does that imply for ISPs once ARIN runs out? |
| 16:30.39 | goozbach | sodaplayer: how is this any different than what we saw in 2011? IANA gave out the last ones, akamai got a /10? so things get strict |
| 16:30.51 | goozbach | laws of supply and demand come into play |
| 16:31.15 | fozzmoo | Comcast puts everyone behind 10.0.0.0/8, suddenly lots of IPs become available. :) |
| 16:31.18 | goozbach | "owners" of larger blocks will start selling/leasing them I'd imagine |
| 16:31.36 | jlp_znc | fozzmoo: :-) |
| 16:31.48 | goozbach | consumer grade internet access becomes natted by default (already happening) |
| 16:32.06 | goozbach | and by natted, I mean natted into 1918 addresses (h/t fozz) |
| 16:35.51 | Jayce | goozbach: did fozzmoo make sure you saw today's teefury as well? |
| 16:36.03 | fozzmoo | No. goozbach: Go look. |
| 16:36.09 | fozzmoo | Good one. |
| 16:36.43 | sodaplayer | As a consumer, how would being under a natted affect me? |
| 16:38.29 | sodaplayer | s/natted/natted address/ |
| 16:38.46 | sodaplayer | Whoa, didn't know infobot had a feature like that. |
| 16:38.56 | jlp_znc | sodaplayer: no inbound connections (well, unless they support UPnP) |
| 16:40.05 | goozbach | linky? |
| 16:40.06 | sodaplayer | Ahh I see, so would things like peer-to-peer games or listen servers would be difficult? |
| 16:40.12 | Jayce | teefury.com |
| 16:40.28 | goozbach | nice! |
| 16:40.30 | jlp_znc | exactly. goozbach: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Universal_Plug_and_Play |
| 16:41.04 | goozbach | sodaplayer: yes, it makes inbound non-related traffic "harder" to say the least |
| 16:41.13 | jlp_znc | UPnP has had some problems with security in the past. don't know if they've worked them all out or not. |
| 16:42.36 | fungus | sodaplayer, ARIN has very clear and specific guidelines and rules for IP allocation for this time, and beyond. |
| 16:42.41 | fungus | https://www.arin.net/resources/request/countdown_phase4.html |
| 16:44.10 | fungus | There are also waitlists, as well as options for re-sale of addresses. |
| 16:47.43 | jxqz | I'm surprised people still use optical discs |
| 16:48.14 | jxqz | eightyeight: as long as you need to install a distro, I don't see how you're going to do it the 'traditional' way without using a usb flash drive |
| 16:49.14 | eightyeight | and the whole 2% of the world that is concerned about that will keep flash drives alive... |
| 16:49.15 | eightyeight | :) |
| 16:49.36 | jxqz | it's not that small of a market |
| 16:49.51 | eightyeight | the datacenter market will pxe |
| 16:50.14 | sodaplayer | Ahh, thanks people for enlightening me on this stuff. |
| 16:50.21 | jxqz | I think the idea of portable storage apart from the rest of the computer is going to be useful for a while |
| 16:50.31 | eightyeight | portable hard drives will live on |
| 16:50.33 | jxqz | at least as long as intarweb speeds remain pre stone age |
| 16:50.39 | eightyeight | and you can boot from them fine |
| 16:50.45 | fozzmoo | sneakernet FTW! |
| 16:50.56 | eightyeight | and cdrom is still alive and well, even if apple has abandoned it |
| 16:51.06 | eightyeight | but, cdrom is dying too, so meh |
| 16:51.12 | jxqz | sure, pack a hard drive and a usb cord in your pocket, that's really convenient |
| 16:51.36 | jxqz | eightyeight: pxe? ugh, gross, how can you even mention something so revolting? |
| 16:51.58 | eightyeight | <3 pxe |
| 16:52.04 | eightyeight | fast and efficient |
| 16:52.08 | eightyeight | usb, not so much |
| 16:52.09 | jxqz | something 'like' pxe, perhaps, but pxe itself, ugh |
| 16:52.43 | jxqz | eightyeight: at least usb is a universal standard in that you can mix and match without even thinking about it |
| 16:52.59 | goozbach | jxqz: nothing wrong with PXE |
| 16:53.11 | jxqz | whereas pxe is as various and broken as there are 'implementations' |
| 16:53.15 | eightyeight | jxqz: except which usb port supports booting from the bios, and which doesn't |
| 16:53.24 | goozbach | ok only if you're not managing your own network are ther issues with bootstrapping |
| 16:53.32 | eightyeight | nothing like rebooting 4 times to find the right port |
| 16:53.44 | eightyeight | and nothing like spending 30 minutes doing a 5 minute install |
| 16:55.02 | goozbach | set your bios once to pxe boot and manage the configs with a tool like cobbler which will auto-terminate booting into install mode |
| 16:55.04 | jxqz | reads 'small and efficient' as 'legacy idiosyncracies lock-in' |
| 16:56.01 | jxqz | maybe pxe has a future if HW vendors get forced into standards compliance, against a modern standard |
| 16:56.40 | jxqz | maybe it's not so bad as all that |
| 16:57.10 | jxqz | since I do have an unique, uncommon perspective on this situation |
| 16:57.57 | jxqz | anyways, IPv6 FTW! |
| 17:05.19 | programmerq | I got a stack of ipv6 stickers from ARIN. |
| 17:05.31 | programmerq | I'm thinking I want to slap them on to my ISPs building as a hint. |
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| 17:12.29 | jlp_znc | comcast did some IPv6 trials back in 2010. as far as I can tell, it's been dead since january 2012 |
| 17:13.12 | rsimpkins | jlp_znc: I thought comcast was in the middle of ipv6 rollout. |
| 17:13.24 | rsimpkins | In fact, I thought several areas in SLC had already gotten it. |
| 17:13.59 | jlp_znc | apparently they started the roll out in 2012... or at least, planning for it. |
| 17:14.01 | rsimpkins | My modem supports it, but not with the comcrap approved firmware they force me to run on it. |
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| 17:14.29 | jlp_znc | mine is in the same boat. I made sure my modem and router supported IPv6, but I haven't seen it yet. |
| 17:15.02 | jlp_znc | http://corporate.comcast.com/comcast-voices/ipv6-deployment |
| 17:17.14 | opapo | I have large wait times according to top |
| 17:17.32 | jlp_znc | ahh, what does top know. |
| 17:17.38 | opapo | How do I identify who is waiting to write to disk |
| 17:18.00 | rsimpkins | opapo: Just look at process states in uninterruptable sleep (D) |
| 17:18.02 | opapo | jlp_znc: It knows how to refresh |
| 17:18.26 | jlp_znc | maybe try iotop |
| 17:18.43 | opapo | baloo_file_extr |
| 17:19.21 | opapo | Maybe I should upgrade to a SSD |
| 17:19.59 | jlp_znc | heh, google "baloo file extractor" and count the bugs. "baloo file extractor ate all my PC's RAM" |
| 17:20.00 | opapo | iotop confirms baloo_file_extractor is the culprit |
| 17:20.47 | jxqz | programmerq++ |
| 17:20.51 | opapo | thanks. memory is fine, it's just the wait time I have issues with |
| 17:21.01 | programmerq | jxqz++ |
| 17:21.09 | opapo | Can I stop it without reprecussions? |
| 17:21.18 | jxqz | comcarp is in an eteneral rollout of whatever they think you want |
| 17:21.40 | programmerq | I've been following ipv6 since before the dhcpv6-pd was a standard |
| 17:21.56 | programmerq | I remember trying to figure out how to pass along router advertisements and failing. ha! |
| 17:23.42 | jxqz | a simplistic explanation: intarweb cartels think they can get away with more while doing less by pretending to be pro v6 but just using all the v4 legacy crap they inherited as a business model |
| 17:29.02 | rsimpkins | I can't speak for the whole industry, but we do have a large chunk of the Fortune 1000 as customers. Very, very, very few customers care about IPv6. |
| 17:29.09 | rsimpkins | A handful of customers in Asia do. |
| 17:29.26 | rsimpkins | Until more customers care... we are going to build things they do care about. |
| 17:30.13 | rsimpkins | We've been told many times we are out of IPv4 space. I believe them. Yet, every time we ask ARIN for a new block we get it. |
| 17:31.09 | jxqz | your customers are stupid |
| 17:31.19 | jxqz | they only start caring when there's a crisis |
| 17:31.24 | rsimpkins | Yes. Bingo. |
| 17:31.29 | jxqz | heh |
| 17:31.34 | rsimpkins | Create crisis. Work will be done. |
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| 17:32.19 | rsimpkins | Until IPv4 addresses start going for $1000/year instead of $1/month, why should we care? |
| 17:32.38 | rsimpkins | There has to be an economic insentive to move. |
| 17:32.40 | jxqz | that's like: 'you need to upgrade your building, or it will fall down in the impending earthquake/tsunami/hurricane/whatever'. 'eh, my insurance will take care of that' |
| 17:32.59 | rsimpkins | Not really. It is a real estate problem, not a safety issue. |
| 17:33.13 | jxqz | tries to rethink his analogy engine |
| 17:33.31 | rsimpkins | "The beach is filled with houses, no more room." Then the houses get more expensive - or you build on new beaches. |
| 17:33.38 | tomstokes | I want a new beach. |
| 17:34.14 | rsimpkins | SSL is going to finally tip the scale for IPv6 IMHO. Sooooo much traffic switching to SSL. |
| 17:34.17 | jxqz | I want a new Dubai |
| 17:42.58 | jxqz | the centos 5/6 rpm differences are very annoying |
| 17:44.29 | jxqz | like, in centos 5, if a macro doesn't exist, rpmbuild won't even expand the string. It just pretends that %{dude_what_is_happening} is just some old string |
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| 18:02.12 | fungus | jlp_znc, I've been using native IPv6 on Comcast for about a year. They even support handing out a /64 to your router to distribute to inside machines. |
| 18:05.17 | levi | fungus: A comcast business link? |
| 18:06.00 | fungus | no, residential |
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| 18:30.29 | levi | Interesting. |
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| 18:50.25 | jxqz | levi: ur interesting |
| 18:51.07 | jxqz | levi: do you know about the big boy rolling through Utah on May 3 on it's way to the union pacific steam shop in Colorado? |
| 18:51.35 | jxqz | supposed to make an appearance at the 100 anniversary of the golden spike, but under its own power |
| 18:52.22 | jxqz | the big boy is like the most awesomest neo-post pre steampunk epicness |
| 18:52.50 | jxqz | the last and largest of the old school steam engines |
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| 19:30.03 | levi | Sweet. |
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| 22:18.01 | youtah | Longest GIF ever http://i.imgur.com/OafMbHT.gif |
| 22:22.47 | rog3r | awesome. what movie was that from? I wanna see this now. |
| 22:24.19 | youtah | umm........... |
| 22:25.06 | youtah | https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hRQTAKtanjc |
| 22:25.30 | youtah | ^ rog3r |
| 22:28.18 | rog3r | thank you :) |
| 22:28.42 | youtah | np |
| 22:28.44 | youtah | :-) |
| 22:49.37 | jlp_znc | great clip |
| 22:50.29 | youtah | jlp_znc is alive!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! |
| 22:50.37 | youtah | Reporting all the way from Linked In! |
| 23:29.53 | jima | ... |
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