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| 00:18.10 | fadein | OpenWest sometime in 2014!?! I got my registration email today. jxqz wanna update teh topic? |
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| 01:52.33 | rog3r | i concur |
| 01:52.56 | rog3r | I hope I still have a job to return to when its over |
| 01:57.06 | kostadinov | what conditions?? |
| 01:57.28 | kostadinov | i would like enter in cisco certified network associate |
| 01:57.36 | kostadinov | http://www.ucs.cam.ac.uk/training/ccna |
| 01:58.12 | kostadinov | i search somene who studys ate cambridge |
| 01:58.24 | kostadinov | if as possible give me an information |
| 01:58.52 | rog3r | ? |
| 01:59.34 | kostadinov | councur for what?? |
| 01:59.51 | rog3r | an earlier comment |
| 02:00.32 | kostadinov | you concur for cambridge or not?? |
| 02:00.40 | rog3r | ? |
| 02:00.50 | kostadinov | fuck off |
| 02:01.10 | kostadinov | its simple my answer |
| 02:01.29 | kostadinov | question* |
| 02:01.33 | kostadinov | sorry |
| 02:01.57 | skrike | Im not sure how you stumbled into #utah with that question. |
| 02:02.43 | skrike | this channel has nothing to do with ccna's, cambridge, or apparently young russian college hopefuls. |
| 02:03.02 | skrike | my mistake. portugal. |
| 02:03.31 | kostadinov | portugal?? |
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| 13:14.38 | jima | skrike: i can't deny that was an odd line of conversation. |
| 13:33.29 | skrike | GIVE ME THE INFORMATION I REQUEST NOW IT IS SIMPLE DO YOU NOT UNDERSTAND? |
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| 13:51.06 | eightyeight | https://plus.google.com/+AaronToponce/posts/MqmtRJu9haD |
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| 15:36.40 | youtah | This is why harleypig should get into Wedding Photography http://s3-ec.buzzfed.com/static/enhanced/webdr01/2013/3/21/13/enhanced-buzz-18465-1363887655-4.jpg |
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| 15:40.43 | youtah | Here's the full set of wedding photos. Some might be considered NSFW http://www.buzzfeed.com/lukelewis/32-tips-for-taking-the-perfect-wedding-photo |
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| 16:18.19 | youtah | I've gotten one phone call and two text messages about it |
| 16:18.19 | youtah | http://imgur.com/a/Xe6Q5?gallery |
| 16:21.44 | davido_ | Lol, programming since my teens 30 years ago, and I suddenly realize that I'm baffled by how to concatenate an arbitrary list of string literals and bound identifiers in Scheme. |
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| 16:43.46 | keldwud | hey guys, where should I take my 5 year old while I have some time off? I have two blocks of trip time scheduled. Easter Sunday 20th - Tue 22nd and Fri 25th - Sun 27th. Limit is 6 hours in any direction. My first thought was lava hotsprings or jackson hole, but then I remembered it is still the winter season, so then I thought lake powell or arches or something. Suggestions welcome. My daughter can hike for up to 4 hours at a time and can handle incl |
| 16:43.46 | keldwud | ines and we have sleeping bags and a tent. |
| 16:44.09 | keldwud | she can also ride a bicycle, so renting bikes is also an option |
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| 16:45.51 | davido_ | Arches, or go see ghost towns south of Tooele |
| 16:46.13 | keldwud | like dougway proving grounds? ;) |
| 16:46.39 | davido_ | I think Ophir |
| 16:47.05 | davido_ | But once you get there it's about a 20 minute thing to explore. ;) |
| 16:47.24 | davido_ | lol, go see the West Desert Pumps. ;) |
| 16:47.33 | keldwud | hah |
| 16:47.41 | keldwud | that would be pretty cool to a five year old, actually |
| 16:47.50 | keldwud | and help her understand where our energy comes from |
| 16:47.55 | keldwud | assumes pumps == oil? |
| 16:47.57 | keldwud | googles |
| 16:47.58 | davido_ | My kids liked Ophir. |
| 16:48.31 | keldwud | heh. got this from r/utah http://imgur.com/rjD2GhN |
| 16:48.35 | davido_ | No, the west desert pumps were put in place west of the GSL early 80's to pump water out of the rising gsl into the west desert where it could evaporate, to reduce the flooding of I-80 and the railroad causeway. |
| 16:48.53 | keldwud | https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Great_Salt_Lake#West_Desert_pumping_project |
| 16:48.54 | keldwud | is that it? |
| 16:49.16 | keldwud | oh, well she's been with me out to seabase in grantsville a few times |
| 16:49.19 | davido_ | yes. I'm not sure if you can actually drive within sight of it. |
| 16:49.36 | keldwud | so she's seen that area |
| 16:51.26 | keldwud | that area seems more like a day trip, though |
| 16:51.29 | davido_ | Ironic... now the lake is at historic low levels. |
| 16:51.36 | keldwud | same with powell |
| 16:51.41 | davido_ | Do you have a 4x4? |
| 16:51.57 | keldwud | I'll definitely keep the ghost town idea for when we do a day trip through tooele county |
| 16:52.02 | keldwud | nope. no 4x4 |
| 16:52.12 | davido_ | The White Rim Trail is unforgettable, but requires 4x4. |
| 16:52.14 | keldwud | I'm a plebe and from the poor class |
| 16:52.59 | davido_ | Arches and Dead Horse Point are a good option then. |
| 16:53.21 | keldwud | googles dead horse point |
| 16:53.26 | keldwud | and you've taken your kids to both? |
| 16:53.34 | davido_ | Yes. |
| 16:54.07 | davido_ | Stay overnight in Moab. Spend your time in Arches. On your way back home, detour to Dead Horse Point and spend a couple of hours there. |
| 16:54.47 | keldwud | ok cool. yeah, moab is definitely higher up in the list so far |
| 16:54.50 | davido_ | It's probably too late to get a reservation for a guided walk through Firey Furnace (in Arches), but there's still tons to see. |
| 16:54.52 | keldwud | because of canyonlands and arches |
| 16:55.21 | keldwud | there is also a groupon available for ticaboo resort, so I was thinking of trying out lake powell, too |
| 16:55.34 | davido_ | This time of year you head south. Later in the season you head north and east. |
| 16:55.42 | keldwud | along with glen canyon |
| 16:56.12 | keldwud | yeah, I really wanted to do lava hot springs and wyoming or montana but you're right. it would be too cold for my daughter. she's not big enough yet to keep lots of blood in her fingers |
| 16:56.23 | keldwud | so she hits the pain threshold rather quickly |
| 16:56.30 | davido_ | lol, yeah, it's too cold up there right now. |
| 16:57.22 | davido_ | One time I took the 116mi 4x4 drive along the Pony Express Trail from Utah County to Nevada. Interesting in a minimalist sort of way. |
| 16:57.39 | keldwud | pony express is another one I have on my list |
| 16:57.48 | keldwud | adds another tally mark next to it |
| 16:58.50 | keldwud | oh hey, it's BLM, so that means free range camping, right? |
| 16:59.06 | davido_ | Yep (and you're a hundred miles from anyone who cares anyway) |
| 16:59.26 | Jayce^ | just don't bring a cow with you |
| 16:59.33 | keldwud | which section would you be referring to? http://www.utah.com/playgrounds/pony_express.htm |
| 16:59.39 | keldwud | -er station |
| 16:59.53 | davido_ | When you follow the pony express trail going west you go through the topaz mountains to ibupah nevada (spelling?) |
| 17:00.08 | davido_ | You pass a wildlife reserve called Fish Lake, if I recall. |
| 17:00.18 | davido_ | And you won't see another person for several days. |
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| 17:06.26 | davido_ | The pony express trail branches off of Highway 73 at the point where 73 arcs from a WSW direction to a NW direction. The trail heads west. There's camping at Rush Valley, then you pass through Faust, and keep going west-ish. Eventually Fish Springs, and then NNW to Ibapah. Interesting, somewhat desolate, untraveled, historical. Read "Some Dreams Die" as kind of a travel guide. |
| 17:10.47 | RyanE | Speaking of Moab reminds me of this 'family travel in Utah' blog that has quite a few posts about the Moab area sights, which may have other good travel ideas around UT: http://utahvalleyfamilyadventures.blogspot.com/ |
| 17:10.54 | RyanE | They even had a recent post on Dead Horse Point |
| 17:11.11 | keldwud | oh hey, thanks :) |
| 17:11.19 | keldwud | that looks like a great resource and exactly what I needed |
| 17:11.55 | keldwud | I should probably document my experiences with my daughter, too. |
| 17:12.21 | keldwud | oh yeah, I forgot to mention that I have a fishing license and my daughter has her own fishing pole |
| 17:12.30 | keldwud | so I hope for her to catch some fish wherever we go |
| 17:12.34 | keldwud | she will eat what she catches |
| 17:12.36 | davido_ | Dead Horse Point is better than the Grand Canyon, because you can actually see it; you're not a dozen miles away. |
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| 17:13.08 | davido_ | With the Grand Canyon, even when you're right on the rim you still don't get a feeling of being there because it's so vast. |
| 17:14.01 | keldwud | grand canyon you need, like, a helicopter ride or something right? :) |
| 17:14.19 | davido_ | [keldwud]: One thing I have always done when I had sailboats was to keep a boat log onboard. Each trip, write down who is there, and where you explored. |
| 17:14.33 | keldwud | yeah I think I might do that |
| 17:14.40 | keldwud | I'm also going to have her start a memory box |
| 17:14.46 | keldwud | to put all of our ticket stubs in |
| 17:14.49 | davido_ | I'm contemplating getting a camping trailer now. I'll probably do the same thing. |
| 17:15.11 | keldwud | I'm still a couple years out from affording a trailer or rv :( |
| 17:15.40 | davido_ | I took the boat log from one boat to the next as I moved on / upgraded, whatever. |
| 17:16.44 | davido_ | Had entries from Strawberry, Utah Lake, Great Salt Lake, Columbia River (Portland), San Juan Islands (Washington), Anacapa Islands / Southern California Coast, etc. |
| 17:17.20 | keldwud | nice |
| 17:17.39 | keldwud | hey, anybody know the laws or rules or even just common sense for kids on motor scooters? |
| 17:17.52 | keldwud | I'm trying to figure out when it is safe for me to take my daughter on my scooter |
| 17:17.57 | davido_ | I think the law is don't get caught. |
| 17:18.04 | keldwud | s/common sense/common wisdom |
| 17:18.18 | keldwud | lol, I'm not as worried about the law as I am about my daughter's safety |
| 17:18.50 | davido_ | I think if you're driving it, and she has a helmet on, it's not too different from a bike. |
| 17:19.00 | davido_ | (from a safety standpoint) |
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| 17:20.04 | davido_ | Reminds me of my father-in-law's motorcycle. He has this '68 BMW motorcycle with a side car. We let my kids go up and down the residential street in the side car wearing bike helmets. I'm sure that's not kosher. |
| 17:20.33 | davido_ | (my kids are 3 and 5) |
| 17:22.29 | keldwud | anybody have any experience with 5 year olds in zions? |
| 17:22.42 | keldwud | zions just seems "more fun" to me for some reason. |
| 17:22.54 | programmerq | zions bank? or zions national park? |
| 17:23.09 | RyanE | Bryce Canyon was nice last week, although it was still pretty cold and a bit of snow. |
| 17:23.20 | programmerq | we went to zions when my oldest was like 2 |
| 17:23.40 | RyanE | We did Zions last year. If she likes to hike, it's pretty good. |
| 17:23.46 | keldwud | programmerq: lol. park :) |
| 17:23.53 | programmerq | we were crazy and brought a stroller up a trail that didn't really accomodate strollers. |
| 17:24.00 | keldwud | so yeah, I might skip bryce then |
| 17:24.03 | davido_ | I haven't done zions with my kids yet. We took them to Bryce last year. |
| 17:24.08 | davido_ | They did fine (3 and 5) |
| 17:24.19 | davido_ | but I take them hiking locally often in the summer. |
| 17:24.38 | davido_ | My 3-y-o can hike to bell canyon reservoir without being carried. |
| 17:25.08 | programmerq | I had my oldest hike up to the Y in provo when he was 2 |
| 17:25.13 | programmerq | "will you carry me?" "no" |
| 17:25.23 | programmerq | he really enjoyed it. |
| 17:25.29 | davido_ | My answer to "carry me" is "to the car?" |
| 17:25.47 | keldwud | dude, Y mountain last week was a lot steeper than I remembered! |
| 17:25.55 | programmerq | mine is just "no. you can do it." |
| 17:25.58 | programmerq | and he does |
| 17:26.02 | keldwud | I was winded after just a couple switch backs and then winded after each switchback |
| 17:26.04 | keldwud | we hiked in the snow |
| 17:26.20 | programmerq | when he was smaller, I'd hold his hand and pull him along a bit |
| 17:26.23 | davido_ | the bell canyon trail from wasatch to the lower reservoir is pretty steep too. |
| 17:26.30 | programmerq | but now that he's 4, I don't do that so much. |
| 17:26.51 | davido_ | (for kids) |
| 17:27.23 | keldwud | btw, I hike every sunday with my daughter. I'd be happy to invite anyone interested |
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| 17:28.07 | davido_ | donut falls is an easy one. We've done secret lake a few times too. I always look with envy at devil's castle when I'm there at secret lake, remembering back to when I didn't have to worry about kids falling. ;) |
| 17:28.38 | davido_ | anyway, if you take them hiking with that frequency, I'm sure they would be fine at zions. |
| 17:29.59 | davido_ | I'm trying to decide whether or not to lug my 5-y-o to yosemite with me this year. I go to tuolumne meadows almost every year after labor day weekend, when it's not crowded. It tends to be cold at 9500 feet elevation by that point in the year, and we mostly hike. ...not sure he's up to it yet. |
| 17:30.17 | keldwud | that's why I'm taking my 5 year old every sunday |
| 17:30.19 | keldwud | training her :) |
| 17:30.25 | keldwud | so that we can do the big hikes at the end of summer |
| 17:30.49 | keldwud | our new packs arrive today or tomorrow. some ospreys. 18L for her and 40L for me |
| 17:31.10 | keldwud | that should help increase her endurance since we've been hiking with really crappy packs |
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| 17:31.39 | keldwud | wasn't able to spring for the really nice light tents and sleeping bags, yet :( maybe next summer. just got some cheapos |
| 17:31.49 | davido_ | big like lone peak via pfeifferhorn? |
| 17:31.51 | keldwud | but I definitely plan on taking her backcountry next summer |
| 17:31.52 | davido_ | ;) |
| 17:32.10 | keldwud | davido_: nah, probably just something like the peak at timp or similar |
| 17:32.39 | davido_ | yeah. any peak is an accomplishment for a kid, and timp is an accomplishment for many adults too. :) |
| 17:32.47 | keldwud | if I could have afforded the gear this season, we'd be doing back country this summer. but her sleeping bag and pad alone would be $150 |
| 17:32.59 | davido_ | You can rent from REI. |
| 17:33.03 | keldwud | ooooh.... |
| 17:33.06 | keldwud | I forgot about that |
| 17:33.14 | davido_ | Sometimes that's a good option, since kids outgrow expensive backpacks. |
| 17:33.26 | keldwud | like I said, we have gear that we could handle carrying for an overnight trip |
| 17:33.36 | keldwud | but definitely not light enough for two or three days |
| 17:33.39 | davido_ | Red Pine Lake is a good overnighter. |
| 17:33.54 | davido_ | Or at least it was when I last did it. |
| 17:34.14 | davido_ | (I was "away from Utah" for about 13 years) |
| 17:34.25 | keldwud | so far she can carry a couple bottles of water, couple cans of sardines, a change of clothes, a radio, tp and babywipes, and a few other small nick-nacks |
| 17:34.33 | keldwud | *knick-knacks |
| 17:34.56 | keldwud | ohshi- speaking of my daughter |
| 17:35.03 | keldwud | rushes to pick her up from school before 1150 |
| 17:35.04 | keldwud | lol |
| 17:35.17 | davido_ | When I started backpacking I was 7, I think. I carried my sleeping bag, pad, and clothes. I think that was 15 pounds, which would have been reasonable for a kid that age. |
| 17:35.26 | keldwud | maybe I'll just settle on lake powell one trip and zions the other. |
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| 17:35.50 | davido_ | Moab/Arches is really Utah's playground. |
| 17:36.17 | RyanE | keldwud: do you have a boat or access to one? Don't know that there's much to do at Powell without one. |
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| 17:36.55 | davido_ | RyanE: Bake in the hot sun is about the only other thing to do there, without a boat. |
| 17:37.22 | RyanE | Although with the lake level so low, maybe there's more hiking opportunities. |
| 17:37.27 | davido_ | That's kinda what you do *with* a boat too... interspersed with occasional "ups" in the water skiing rotation. |
| 17:37.32 | RyanE | heh |
| 17:37.34 | RyanE | yep |
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| 19:52.29 | sodaplayer | Alright, bash people, I'm trying to figure out how to write a one liner to print all the characters in the extended ANSI set. I've got: for i in {21..255}; do echo "\x`echo 'obase=16;$i' | bc`"; done; so far but I can't get the $i to expand. |
| 19:56.20 | rog3r | escape the single quotes |
| 19:56.23 | rog3r | \'obase |
| 19:57.27 | rog3r | or replace with escaped double quotes |
| 19:58.26 | sodaplayer | Oh neat, escaped double quotes worked. Thanks! |
| 19:58.26 | rog3r | i.e. for i in {21..255}; do echo "\x`echo \"obase=16; $i\" | bc`"; done |
| 19:58.32 | rog3r | yw :) |
| 19:58.43 | rog3r | the single quotes resist expansion |
| 19:59.28 | sodaplayer | Ahh I see. |
| 20:02.05 | ldav15_ | or just use a better language: awk 'BEGIN { for (i = 21; i < 256; ++i) printf("\\x%X\n", i); exit 0;}' |
| 20:08.39 | rog3r | perl? |
| 20:08.41 | rog3r | perl -we 'for (21..256){ printf("0x%x\n", $_) }' |
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| 20:10.26 | rog3r | bash, perl, awk. those are all I know. I too rusty at python and ruby to even try. |
| 20:23.06 | davido_ | perl -e 'printf "\\x%X\n", $_ for 21..255' |
| 20:24.21 | rog3r | works even better. good job. |
| 20:26.33 | davido_ | I actually prefer the output of perl -e 'printf "%#x\n", $_ for 21..255', but it's not exactly the output you were seeking. |
| 20:27.04 | davido_ | Not sure why I prefer it. lol |
| 20:31.15 | rog3r | perl's varieties never cease to amaze me |
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