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| 00:41.00 | jima | wow, hp g4 |
| 00:41.21 | jima | i cringe enough at the hand-me-down g5s in europe |
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| 13:26.30 | goozbach | https://securityblog.redhat.com/2014/04/14/new-selinux-feature-file-name-transitions-2/ |
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| 15:29.25 | youtah | Did I ever post this in here? http://www.landoverbaptist.org/eastereggs.html "Are Your Children Playing With Lucifer's Testicles?" |
| 15:29.57 | youtah | If I haven't I apologize. I'm 98% certain it's satire, but you never know.... and it's right up harleypig's alley too! |
| 15:32.41 | youtah | DEPLOY LINUX TO ALL THE THINGS! |
| 15:32.55 | youtah | ^ that is what todays tasks look like for me |
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| 15:44.39 | rog3r | lol, i was just looking at the link. Under the price, "You Save: Nothing. (Only Jesus Saves!)" |
| 15:45.26 | rog3r | oh man, and thats just the beginning. wow. |
| 15:49.52 | jima | youtah: s/LINUX/WINDOWS/ and you have my job ;_; |
| 16:04.49 | harleypig | youtah: landover is a gag site ... a very offensive (to religious, board up their ass, spitting splinters people) site. I love it. http://www.cafepress.com/landoverbaptist/429363 |
| 16:09.46 | programmerq | can I be both religious and amused by landover at the same time? |
| 16:13.07 | youtah | It's brilliant harleypig .... just brilliant |
| 16:13.20 | youtah | Yes I think you can programmerq .... |
| 16:13.21 | jima | yes, but you'll be a bad <title of religion> |
| 16:13.26 | youtah | LOL |
| 16:13.34 | jima | mormon/christian/catholic/whatever |
| 16:13.36 | jima | jew |
| 16:13.44 | youtah | atheist.... |
| 16:13.45 | youtah | ? |
| 16:13.49 | youtah | ;) |
| 16:13.53 | jima | is a TERRIBLE jew, probably partly due to his love of bacon cheeseburgers |
| 16:14.06 | youtah | I would be a terrible Jew. |
| 16:14.08 | jima | youtah: no, that's perfectly fine for atheists. |
| 16:15.12 | youtah | I would be a terrible Jew because A) I don't like wearing really nice clothing. B) I love bacon. C) I don't believe in Judaism |
| 16:16.18 | jima | i believe in judaism |
| 16:16.26 | jima | i believe in all religions...they exist. |
| 16:16.30 | jima | i just don't follow them. |
| 16:16.32 | youtah | oh duh |
| 16:16.35 | jima | ;-) |
| 16:18.13 | fungus | I would be a terrible <title of religion>, because none can prove the existence of of said deity. |
| 16:22.32 | fungus | Wow, huge changes for Fedora coming up re: Workstation. http://blogs.gnome.org/uraeus/2014/04/16/preparing-the-ground-for-the-fedora-workstation/ |
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| 16:26.00 | jima | fungus: oooh, you're one of those people. |
| 16:26.02 | jxqz | they can do whatever they feel like with gnome, there's not much left, as long as they don't screw over xfce |
| 16:26.11 | jima | (wait, am i talking about atheists or fedora users?) |
| 16:26.30 | fungus | Former, not the latter |
| 16:26.31 | jima | (...or both!?) |
| 16:27.07 | jxqz | ubuntu destroyed most of gnome and now fedora wants part of the action |
| 16:27.19 | fungus | Interesting to see Fedora move it focus to a more product oriented platform. |
| 16:27.26 | jima | jxqz: uuuuhhhhh what? |
| 16:27.39 | jxqz | the funny thing about gnome is that it's been self destructing since about 2004 |
| 16:27.56 | jxqz | and then KDE went along because that was the cool thing to do |
| 16:28.13 | jima | didn't kde do the same thing, though? |
| 16:28.29 | jima | i used to be a huge gnome user |
| 16:28.37 | jima | then gnome pissed me off and i went kde |
| 16:28.40 | fungus | jxqz, if that's the case, I wish they "destructed" much longer ago. |
| 16:28.51 | jima | then kde pissed me off and i went xfce/lxde |
| 16:29.23 | jima | i think jxqz means regarding alienating their core user base |
| 16:29.37 | jima | at least, that's my experience |
| 16:29.47 | fungus | I disagree that they did alienate their core user base. |
| 16:30.06 | fungus | They alienated a section of their base, but that's all |
| 16:30.17 | jxqz | ubuntu: "we're going to rip out all the good stuff out of our distro and insert all the bad stuff ios has because that's the way of the future" |
| 16:30.19 | jima | that may be more accurate, perhaps. |
| 16:30.47 | jxqz | now it looks as if fedora wants to do the same? |
| 16:30.47 | jima | jxqz: well, do you remember the "vista-fication" of...crap, was that kde or gnome? |
| 16:30.55 | jxqz | because they have ubuntu-envy |
| 16:30.56 | jima | i don't remember anymore. |
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| 16:31.02 | jxqz | heh |
| 16:31.41 | fungus | I agree it was divisive, but more people use Gnome now than use those Mint like abominations. |
| 16:32.10 | jima | i haven't even touched mint |
| 16:32.22 | jima | which is funny since i love mints ;-) |
| 16:32.52 | jxqz | has pretty much abandoned all ubuntu-related paraphanalia |
| 16:33.05 | fungus | typical users want a cohesive desktop experience. Fedora is aiming at that now. Yes it will alienate a section of their current audience, but he potential to increase audience is much more. |
| 16:33.09 | jima | i've been pretty die-hard redhat/fedora/centos since...2000. |
| 16:33.11 | jxqz | needs to fix his irssi spellcheck script |
| 16:33.41 | jxqz | s/-related/-derived/ |
| 16:33.43 | jima | if i was going to jump ship, it'd probably be to ubuntu, since that seems to be where the rest of the mindshare is |
| 16:33.53 | jima | jxqz: what are you moving to? |
| 16:34.22 | jima | fungus: i've somewhat insulated myself from those shenanigans by going xfce/lxde. |
| 16:34.29 | fungus | I've been an Ubuntu lover for many years, and after this change, I'm seriously considering trying Fedora again in the future. |
| 16:34.47 | jima | gnome/kde got too dynamic, whereas i need to be productive, so i prefer the consistency. |
| 16:35.26 | fungus | But unless you embrace the changes first you might never discover new ways to increase your productivity. |
| 16:36.16 | jima | a new desktop environment isn't going to substantially increase my productivity. |
| 16:36.28 | fungus | For me it has. |
| 16:36.28 | jima | well, s/new/revamped/ |
| 16:36.42 | jima | i'm glad it's good for someone, then |
| 16:37.13 | fungus | Gnome Shell and/or Unity has really enabled me in ways I couldn't before. |
| 16:38.06 | jima | for me, a linux desktop environment is mostly a container for xterms |
| 16:38.12 | fungus | I tried KDE a few times after their revolution. It appeared to offer a lot, but only after spending days configuring my desktop. |
| 16:38.36 | jima | maybe a browser or two, some xfreerdp sessions |
| 16:38.47 | jima | but largely: xterms. lots of xterms. |
| 16:38.59 | jima | oh oh oh, and asdm |
| 16:39.33 | fungus | you use the asdm? |
| 16:39.43 | fungus | why? there's a perfectly good command-line |
| 16:40.04 | jima | visualization, mostly...i manage a lot of ASAs |
| 16:40.27 | jima | well, for now...i finally got a network engineer who will be taking over the day-to-day |
| 16:40.37 | fungus | I do too, but I get my visualization from my standard SNMP monitoring tools. |
| 16:41.20 | fungus | Well, I haven't used asdm for quite a few years, maybe it's better now? |
| 16:41.31 | jima | it's gotten pretty slick |
| 16:41.41 | fungus | ok, i'll give it another look. |
| 16:41.52 | jima | 7.1 is pretty nice (for asa 9.0) |
| 16:42.04 | jima | asa 9.0 got etherchannel, woo |
| 16:42.24 | jima | that makes me happier than it should |
| 16:42.28 | fungus | hehe |
| 16:42.38 | jima | of course, the only thing i have that'll run it is these 5585-Xs |
| 16:42.53 | fungus | oooh, -X's |
| 16:42.56 | fungus | is jealous |
| 16:43.01 | jima | 10gbit throughput |
| 16:43.15 | jima | going from 5520s |
| 16:43.24 | jima | ick, 450mbit throughput |
| 16:43.29 | fungus | I just have 5510's and hundreds of 5505s |
| 16:43.35 | jima | or was it 350mbit...whatever |
| 16:43.49 | jima | i have three 5520s, and a handful of 5505s |
| 16:43.58 | jima | some juniper SSGs as well |
| 16:44.39 | fungus | See take this experience in trying new things in Cisco land, to trying new things in desktop environment lands. |
| 16:44.48 | fungus | ;) |
| 16:45.00 | fungus | you might just be surprised. |
| 16:45.09 | jima | ... |
| 16:46.47 | jima | when i have to fight my DE to get the same things done, i don't consider it much of a blessing. |
| 16:48.25 | fungus | So stop fighting it, and accept it. Try it's way of doing things. |
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| 16:49.41 | jima | oddly enough, i'd thought the ability to do things different ways was supposed to be one of the strengths of open source? |
| 16:49.46 | fungus | Lest you become like those old crufty cobol/mainframe guys that haven't learned new things. |
| 16:50.38 | youtah | Whoa... I missed a lot |
| 16:50.51 | youtah | So, any of you guys know of a Sys Admin looking for a position? |
| 16:51.09 | jima | youtah: over there? |
| 16:51.10 | fungus | Possibly, what for? |
| 16:51.31 | youtah | Linux, NIS, NFS, SGE and Python |
| 16:51.36 | youtah | SGE and Python are nice to haves |
| 16:51.54 | jima | why am i asking...all the sysadmins i know in utah either work for me, my local subsidiary, or are in this channel. |
| 16:52.07 | youtah | lol |
| 16:52.08 | youtah | yeah |
| 16:52.17 | jima | and i need to hire one not unlike that anyway |
| 16:52.25 | youtah | the entire US seems to be short handed on Linux Sys Admins |
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| 16:53.16 | youtah | I am just SWAMPED |
| 16:53.17 | jima | i think any ones viable for my position got scared off by the reputation of our local subsidiary. |
| 16:53.48 | jima | (which has a BAAAAAD reputation.) |
| 17:01.01 | programmerq | wow. just wow. |
| 17:01.05 | programmerq | https://t.co/jCVaxtAU1n |
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| 17:32.32 | jxqz | jima: I'm on fedora currently, although I'm still supporting my sister on ubuntu |
| 17:34.31 | jxqz | fungus: I love the design concepts behind unity; I hate that I cannot configure it the way I want |
| 17:35.26 | jxqz | and I haven't seen gnome shell work yet |
| 17:35.29 | jxqz | :/ |
| 17:35.32 | jxqz | :\ |
| 17:35.38 | jxqz | :- |
| 17:35.44 | jxqz | :| |
| 17:36.02 | jxqz | s/work/not fail/ |
| 17:36.28 | jxqz | whereas xfce does everything I want in the way I want it done, and does no more |
| 17:39.09 | jima | jxqz: but you should feel bad for not using $latest_and_greatest_eye_crack |
| 17:47.26 | goozbach | youtah: whatcach needing? |
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| 17:50.05 | jxqz | and gentoo goes without mention, of course |
| 17:50.35 | jxqz | fedora is for places where I don't have the time to be really detailed |
| 17:51.20 | harleypig | how long has utahpreppers.com been down? |
| 17:51.46 | jima | gentoo goes without mention in which regard? |
| 17:51.48 | jxqz | and I've factored most of my magic into my location agnostic rcfiles repo |
| 17:52.07 | jxqz | jima: in that gentoo is always the most preferred :) |
| 17:52.16 | jxqz | harleypigpreppers.com |
| 18:03.12 | jima | jxqz: not to be antagonistic...but what's the appeal of gentoo for you now that they've done away withy stage 1 installs (or whatever it's called)? |
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| 18:06.50 | youtah | goozbach, looking for a sys admin to help out with Linux administration (workstation and servers), NIS, NFS (NetApp), & VM management |
| 18:06.58 | youtah | SGE or Python experience a plus |
| 18:10.59 | jxqz | jima: the groupthink is that stage1 and stage2 are really more of just distro maintainer-level stuff |
| 18:12.03 | jxqz | and you can simulate the stage1 effect by emerge @system |
| 18:12.23 | jxqz | you can stull do stage1 though if you really want |
| 18:12.45 | jxqz | it's just quicker to start with stage3 and refactor later if necessary |
| 18:12.53 | jxqz | s/u/i/ |
| 18:12.54 | jima | maybe i missed something in the evolution of gentoo, because the hardcore advocates of gentoo always touted the custom-to-your-system thing as gentoo's biggest strength. |
| 18:13.15 | jxqz | that's still the gentoo premise |
| 18:13.40 | jxqz | most customizations come through the use of the USE variable |
| 18:14.14 | jima | + the build optimization |
| 18:14.20 | jima | unless they were just talking out their asses |
| 18:14.27 | jima | (which is always a possibility) |
| 18:14.38 | jxqz | and starting at stage3 does not prevent you from customing system-level packages |
| 18:15.00 | jxqz | build optimizations can only get you so far as gcc is technically capable :) |
| 18:15.14 | jima | that's always been my feeling on that topic. |
| 18:15.25 | tomstokes | Mine too. The optimizations feel like a lot of placebo. |
| 18:15.32 | jxqz | although since you're compiling, you might as well --march=native |
| 18:15.56 | jxqz | but even CPUs aren't even what they used to be |
| 18:16.07 | jima | for me, the performance/customization arguments have always been outweighed by the reproducability/support factor. |
| 18:16.37 | jxqz | architecture-specific compiler optimizations are becoming less and less relavant |
| 18:16.45 | jima | if i custom-build stuff, my install will not be what the distro's QA people's install is |
| 18:17.02 | jxqz | due to the general rate of HW awesomeness increase |
| 18:17.28 | jima | jxqz: sparcv7 vs. sparcv8 was a big difference, especially for openssl ;-) |
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| 18:17.43 | jima | oops, i just dated myself, huh. |
| 18:17.48 | youtah | Joking around is one thing... but Jayce^ just went way below the belt.... he just said I like Country Music |
| 18:18.10 | jxqz | jima: of course, gentoo just has a more advanced notion of QA |
| 18:18.16 | jima | youtah: look at that beard! and hat! how do you NOT love country music? |
| 18:18.24 | jxqz | which IMO leads to better SW in the end |
| 18:19.32 | jima | jxqz: so...it's less about the cpu optimizations and still all about keeping-the-irrelevant-chunks-out? |
| 18:19.51 | jxqz | sure |
| 18:20.07 | jima | ok. thanks for your responses. |
| 18:20.16 | jxqz | it's also about not installing *syslog* and always installing metalog |
| 18:20.17 | jxqz | :) |
| 18:21.05 | jima | ...? |
| 18:21.20 | youtah | is crying at jima's country "joke" |
| 18:21.40 | jima | youtah: at the humor, or due to hurt feelings? |
| 18:21.48 | jima | (please be hurt feelings, please be hurt feelings) |
| 18:22.10 | jxqz | if you want a fully enabled system with all the stuff, including modem-manager, ubuntu's always a torrent away |
| 18:22.20 | jima | of course, if you look at my beard, you might guess i love bluegrass |
| 18:22.46 | youtah | hurt feelings |
| 18:22.46 | youtah | lol |
| 18:22.47 | jxqz | jima: interpret * as glob, as in all loggers I've ever used are suxorz compared to metalog |
| 18:23.01 | jima | hmm, never heard of metalog |
| 18:23.13 | jima | jxqz: and yes, i know what * means ;-) |
| 18:23.17 | youtah | it's what you leave in the bathroom after eating too much meat |
| 18:23.34 | jima | youtah: you leave a metal og? OW. |
| 18:23.42 | youtah | you have no idea |
| 18:23.47 | jima | too much iron i guess |
| 18:23.52 | youtah | ^ |
| 18:24.05 | jima | youtah: oh, wait...THAT'S what that smell is. |
| 18:24.06 | jxqz | but I'm basing this judgement on very little |
| 18:24.15 | jima | i guess i discovered the downside to working downwind from you |
| 18:24.20 | jxqz | just because |
| 18:25.36 | jxqz | it's amazing how the Wiener Philharmoniker can fit a Mahler 3rd symphonie orchestra in the Musikverein |
| 18:26.04 | jima | i think that's a double entendre, but i have no idea for what |
| 18:26.12 | jxqz | 6 clarinets, 8 horns, two timpani, two harps, very full strings |
| 18:26.29 | jima | this double entendre just went to 11 |
| 18:26.32 | jxqz | like, 6 trumpets, 6 trombones |
| 18:26.52 | jxqz | maybe 12 horns, actually |
| 18:28.49 | youtah | this is a video of harleypig when he was a school girl https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Pzl86IjTpHI (yes it's safe for work) |
| 18:30.11 | harleypig | I've seen that. My 11 year old so wants to do this to me. |
| 18:30.48 | youtah | " harleypig isn't my mommy " |
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| 18:34.01 | eightyeight | http://undeadly.org/cgi?action=article&sid=20140415093252&mode=expanded&count=0 |
| 18:36.04 | youtah | https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QrxPuk0JefA |
| 18:39.07 | jxqz | 3 bassons |
| 18:39.11 | jxqz | + contra |
| 18:48.26 | jxqz | I guess they did it by cutting down a little on the strings |
| 18:48.37 | jxqz | which is a little disappointing |
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| 19:14.20 | rsimpkins | plug is down. again. |
| 19:14.40 | rsimpkins | Seems like things were much more stable when we were on donated infrustructure at C7. |
| 19:14.53 | rsimpkins | Bluehost has had three outages since we've moved. |
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| 19:17.04 | rsimpkins | Jayce^: Things going okay? |
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| 19:17.57 | Jayce^ | dunno, something network going on, but I dont' have an update |
| 19:18.06 | Jayce^ | not sure where/what is happening |
| 19:19.22 | utz | Boo Bluehost. |
| 19:19.36 | youtah | Winter mint + Chocolate Milk = Delicious! |
| 19:19.55 | fungus | http://queue.acm.org/detail.cfm?id=2602816 |
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| 19:38.25 | youtah | macnewbold ... at wfw.vivint.com |
| 19:38.41 | youtah | macnewbold, you know Roger Timmerman? |
| 19:38.48 | youtah | he used to live in my neighborhood |
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| 19:57.39 | jima | youtah: that was a lie, of course. my jerk tag never closes. |
| 19:58.22 | youtah | LOL |
| 20:01.35 | jima | ugh, our job posting lapsed |
| 20:02.27 | jima | apparently one of my colleagues is looking for an executive assistant? that's news. |
| 20:04.18 | jima | maybe that means he'll stop asking me to walk into conference rooms full of executives to "fix" the video system |
| 20:14.41 | jxqz | :) |
| 20:17.06 | jxqz | jima: maybe you should get yourself an executive assistant |
| 20:18.44 | jxqz | "executive assistant: make this happen" |
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| 20:20.32 | youtah | http://gawker.com/watch-a-train-conductor-kick-a-selfie-taking-teen-in-th-1563737053 |
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| 20:46.15 | youtah | Bloody Iced Tea in Firefox |
| 20:46.19 | youtah | Always freezing |
| 20:59.57 | jima | jxqz: i have lackeys, which are almost as good. |
| 21:00.08 | jima | youtah: maybe you should use Hot Tea |
| 21:00.29 | youtah | lol |
| 21:01.23 | jima | also, i'm probably a terrible person for calling my team "lackeys" |
| 21:02.30 | youtah | it |
| 21:02.33 | youtah | it's good for 'em |
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| 21:06.46 | jxqz | as you wish |
| 21:44.43 | tylerdmace | anyone know if the next ng-conf will be in SLC again? |
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| 23:09.22 | rsimpkins | Is bluehost still having problems? |
| 23:09.33 | rsimpkins | plug.org has been down for hours. |
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| 23:33.23 | rog3r | yeah |
| 23:34.30 | rog3r | they're posting updates about the outage here https://www.facebook.com/bluehost |
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| 23:44.47 | jxqz | hostblue |