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| 15:07.37 | goozbach | levi: stay away from cookie clicker |
| 15:08.21 | eightyeight | heh |
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| 15:16.12 | keldwud | wish me luck with Oracle, they're gonna call me in an hour |
| 15:25.23 | unum | good luck |
| 15:25.48 | unum | they'll probably have to send out one of their $10,000/day techs |
| 15:28.57 | keldwud | lol, no. for a job :) |
| 15:29.12 | ldav15 | Why it's a bad idea to have a retweet bot https://plus.google.com/114753028665775786510/posts/T5htBjtMcV5 |
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| 15:32.07 | goozbach | ldav15: there was a penis on fox news the other day from their hashtag photo posting "contest" |
| 15:33.29 | keldwud | https://www.linkedin.com/jobs2/view/13024885?trk= |
| 15:34.14 | ldav15 | So how's that different from Fox News every day? |
| 15:34.48 | goozbach | Jayce^: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Tsa4ogtBiv0 |
| 15:34.54 | goozbach | and everybody ^^ https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Tsa4ogtBiv0 |
| 15:35.03 | ldav15 | http://instantrimshot.com/index.php?sound=rimshot&play=true |
| 15:35.06 | goozbach | that's awesome! |
| 15:35.31 | goozbach | ldav15_: this time the penis wasn't wearing a suit and blathering |
| 15:35.36 | goozbach | *shrug* |
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| 15:35.46 | keldwud | do we know anybody over at oracle? |
| 15:36.18 | keldwud | wait, what? there's a thing called Oracle Linux? |
| 15:36.24 | keldwud | omg, I'm gonna fail the screening! |
| 15:37.04 | ldav15 | keldwud: relax. There's Oracle Linux. It's a derivative of RHEL. |
| 15:37.05 | fungus | Yes, Oracle Enterprise Linux is just rebranded RHEL |
| 15:37.10 | keldwud | I'm reading up on it now |
| 15:37.17 | keldwud | Unbreakable Enterprise Kernel too |
| 15:37.18 | fungus | With a different custom kernel |
| 15:38.11 | keldwud | :) |
| 15:38.41 | keldwud | hmm, strong understanding of oracle's objectives.. |
| 15:39.28 | keldwud | simplify, standardize, automate. |
| 15:39.48 | keldwud | think that would impress the recruiter if I repeat that back to show I'm already drinking the koolaid? |
| 15:40.48 | keldwud | I always get so nervous before screening calls and interviews |
| 15:40.58 | programmerq | oracle linux isn't bad actually-- before there was a decent centos AMI on ec2, we used that for a while. never caused any problems |
| 15:42.02 | keldwud | what do you guys think I should say my salary requirements are for this position? https://www.linkedin.com/jobs2/view/13024885?trk= |
| 15:42.06 | keldwud | when he asks |
| 15:42.19 | keldwud | I'm thinking about 65ish, but I don't want to overshoot it |
| 15:42.53 | keldwud | it looks to be a mid-level position with a lot of hard work |
| 15:43.07 | keldwud | hard as in lots not hard as in really difficult and challenging |
| 15:43.26 | ldav15 | keldwud: I didn't know that was Oracle's slogan. It used to be (and might still be) that every installation of Oracle on UNIX was like a snowflake -- unique. |
| 15:43.48 | keldwud | ldav15: hmm. I pulled it off this blog post here. http://manonamission.blogspot.com/2005/07/oracles-orcl-mission-statement.html |
| 15:43.57 | keldwud | haven't checked the source, yet |
| 15:44.06 | keldwud | oh 2005 |
| 15:44.07 | keldwud | heh |
| 15:44.14 | keldwud | n/m then :) |
| 15:45.07 | ldav15 | I suppose snowflakes are "simple" and "standard". |
| 15:46.38 | keldwud | yesterday when the screener asked me why I wanted to work at Fibernet, I said "BECAUSE FIBERNET DUH" and after I hung up I promptly facepalmed at myself |
| 15:50.22 | opapo | I have a crontab entry that runs a php script. The cron log says it runs, but the log file that the script writes to has nothing in it for that execution and the file the php script was supposed to write out isn't there. |
| 15:50.22 | Jayce^ | goozbach: I shared that earlier in the week |
| 16:00.23 | keldwud | wow, oracle has swallowed up a few companies in the last couple years |
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| 16:04.50 | TimRiker | is still confused why so-called "enterprise" distributions exist that don't support in-place upgrades for every release. |
| 16:07.08 | fungus | opapo, PHP error. syntax error or other error before log file setup. |
| 16:07.26 | TimRiker | opapo, check PATH settings? might not be finding what it needs to run. try adding multiple commands in the crontab to see output. ie: . /etc/profile;set;time php whatever.php;date etc. |
| 16:07.38 | fungus | Did you get an email with your cron results? |
| 16:08.26 | TimRiker | try redirecting output too... ie: php foo.php 2>&1 in the crontab. |
| 16:08.38 | opapo | I will look into the php error stuff and the email. I am using the absolute path to php and the script. I will look for absolute paths in the script too. |
| 16:18.59 | keldwud | that call didn't go too bad. I think he blinked when I mentioned 60-65k. I hope that didn't take me out of the running. I couldn't figure out what an appropriate salary for https://www.linkedin.com/jobs2/view/13024885?trk= would be. |
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| 16:32.29 | stderr- | keldwud: 65k seems more than fair, if they're not willing to hire you at a fair price, look elsewhere. |
| 16:33.17 | keldwud | ok |
| 16:33.27 | keldwud | cool, thanks for the feedback, stderr- I was psyching myself out :) |
| 16:33.42 | keldwud | thinking that maybe I should have said lower or something |
| 16:33.55 | stderr- | don't do that to yourself. |
| 16:34.00 | keldwud | I try not to :) |
| 16:35.34 | joshh | can't tell if it's more of a datacenter gig or sysadmin |
| 16:35.57 | joshh | if the latter, 65ish from oracle seems realistic, imo |
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| 16:37.56 | sontek | keldwud: E-mail them back and tell them you changed your mind, you want 115k |
| 16:38.08 | keldwud | sontek: haha, insanity wolf :) |
| 16:38.17 | keldwud | yeah it seemed to be datacenter/sysadmin |
| 16:38.31 | keldwud | there are still a lot of servers to be racked and stacked |
| 16:38.42 | keldwud | the total will be 45k in the end |
| 16:39.00 | keldwud | so even for a datacenter technician, that shouldn't be too out of the question as far as salary |
| 16:39.10 | keldwud | but DC technician would be what? 45 - 50? |
| 16:39.13 | programmerq | yeah, big companies are slightly less likely to underpay folks |
| 16:39.30 | keldwud | I think he mentioned there are two openings, if anybody else was looking |
| 16:39.41 | keldwud | for that same description |
| 16:40.17 | joshh | i utah i could see a dc tech getting anywhere from minimum wage to 50k depending on the company |
| 16:40.56 | keldwud | lol |
| 16:41.00 | keldwud | yeah I could see that, too :) |
| 16:41.13 | programmerq | I think it'd be fun do be a dc tech for maybe a couple months |
| 16:42.37 | keldwud | I love working in the DC |
| 16:42.57 | keldwud | I love racking and stacking and plugging in cables and harddrives and installing switches and all of it |
| 16:43.18 | keldwud | but you're right, I'd only wanna do it for 2 months straight and have other things to do besides that after 2 months |
| 16:43.28 | keldwud | like managing all the hardware I just installed |
| 16:43.45 | joshh | my company (startup with about 230 employees) has one guy to plan and manage the datacenter and a handful of contractors to do the rack labor, ram and hard drive swaps, etc that he basically supervises, and another company to do the cabling, rack installs, fiber trays, etc |
| 16:43.53 | programmerq | I actually have some servers at home I want to get going, but it's so expensive to run what I have vs just firing up nodes in digitalocean or whatever. |
| 16:43.55 | joshh | and the guy who we usually get from them drives a pretty nice bmw |
| 16:44.26 | programmerq | wants a cool car |
| 16:44.50 | joshh | but the rest of the guys look like they are on some sort of work program for gang members out of prison |
| 16:44.56 | programmerq | I wonder what I could get for under $10k that's cool. 70s muscle car maybe |
| 16:45.44 | keldwud | you know how you mentioned you have all that hardware you want to fire up but can't because of cost? |
| 16:45.48 | keldwud | a muscle car would be the same way |
| 16:45.54 | keldwud | except gas instead of electricity |
| 16:45.55 | tomstokes | Very true. |
| 16:45.56 | keldwud | :) |
| 16:46.02 | tomstokes | Also parts breaking left and right. |
| 16:46.49 | keldwud | and then you'll be riding the bus one day or driving a gas efficient car while wondering the whole time when you will ever get around to driving that nice muscle car you purchased |
| 16:47.07 | keldwud | but how it is cheaper for you to take $current form of transportation instead |
| 16:48.38 | keldwud | ok, so oracle recruiter gave me the name and the spelling of the guy who will be interviewing me for the position. do I add him on linkedin? or not. |
| 16:48.45 | keldwud | is new to all of this stuff |
| 16:49.18 | keldwud | my linkedin has already been inspected and passed for muster by colleagues |
| 16:49.21 | tomstokes | No. Maybe after you've met him in person or at least had some formal back-and-forth with him, but not before |
| 16:49.28 | keldwud | ok cool. thanks for the feedback |
| 16:49.43 | keldwud | wasn't sure if it was one of those things where it was expected and I'd be failing if I didn't do it |
| 16:49.54 | keldwud | I had a job interview that was like that |
| 16:50.03 | keldwud | because I didn't sign up for their service, I was weeded out |
| 16:50.19 | keldwud | except it really seemed like a legitimate company |
| 16:50.21 | tomstokes | Jumping through invisible hoops is not a good requirement. |
| 16:50.55 | tomstokes | But in general it's good practice to come prepared with as much knowledge of the company's product that you could glean from the internet, so signing up for their free service or whatever is a good idea |
| 16:53.42 | keldwud | yeah, I was employed at the time I was applying for that job so didn't have time to join their service |
| 17:03.39 | levi | programmerq: All sorts of "cool cars" can be had for under $10k. Keeping said "cool car" running will require either a bit of mechanical know-how or a lot of money to pay the garage. ;) |
| 17:03.58 | keldwud | get a motorcycle instead |
| 17:04.08 | keldwud | cheaper than 10k, cheap on gas, and fun as hell |
| 17:04.23 | keldwud | but don't ride alone until you're experienced |
| 17:04.28 | keldwud | and take classes |
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| 17:06.31 | jxqz | my car cost $1000 |
| 17:06.39 | levi | Motorcycles are cool, but they are not "cool cars". |
| 17:07.00 | jxqz | and I've had it for, like, 5 years now |
| 17:07.10 | jxqz | fixes it up now and then |
| 17:07.32 | jxqz | I just put in an aftermarket air filter |
| 17:07.52 | jxqz | ripped out the clunky oem intake system |
| 17:08.00 | keldwud | if I had under 10k available for a car, I'd get a subaru |
| 17:08.19 | jxqz | the nice thing about aftermarket filters is that you can wash them instead of having to replace them |
| 17:08.33 | levi | I have 4 cars. Two of them were about $5k each, the third was about $10k, and the cost of the last one to me can't be measured because it came via marrying my wife. But it cost her some small amount over $10k, I think. |
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| 17:09.17 | jxqz | I think the reason that disposable air filters are still made is because people feel cool when they 'change their air filter' instead of 'washed their air filter' |
| 17:09.25 | keldwud | levi: /#humblebrag |
| 17:09.39 | keldwud | either that, or you live in a trailer park ;) |
| 17:09.46 | keldwud | and one of them is up on blocks |
| 17:09.57 | programmerq | my current car is a $1300 car |
| 17:09.59 | programmerq | it's not cool |
| 17:10.06 | jxqz | nowai, *never* spend more than $5000 on a car |
| 17:10.10 | programmerq | and I've probably put another $2000 into maint/repairs |
| 17:10.21 | jxqz | *ever*, if you do you're wasting your money |
| 17:10.38 | jxqz | buy a reliable, efficient car instead |
| 17:10.48 | jxqz | is done car admonishing |
| 17:11.27 | jxqz | car payments are for morons |
| 17:12.09 | programmerq | $600 tires, $600 muffler, $450 timing belt+pump, and a bunch of other stuff too |
| 17:12.14 | programmerq | I've never had a car payment |
| 17:12.30 | jxqz | $600 muffler? |
| 17:12.31 | programmerq | that said, I would *love* to someday buy a brand new corvette or something |
| 17:12.41 | programmerq | but not have a payment still. :) |
| 17:12.51 | programmerq | jxqz: pretty much the whole exhaust system, actually |
| 17:12.52 | levi | keldwud: One of them is sitting in the garage with a couple of flat tires and the back panel of the trunk in the process of having the spot welds removed so I can fix some damage. |
| 17:13.17 | jxqz | I bought my last muffler as an aftermarket generic for $30 |
| 17:13.21 | tomstokes | Step 1: Remove spot welds. Step 2: Replace with seam welds. Step 3: Stage rally? |
| 17:13.29 | jxqz | heh |
| 17:13.44 | jxqz | maybe levi has a stainless welder |
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| 17:14.25 | Jayce^ | thought about getting a stainless tub for the cruiser, but I think it'd be too much headache |
| 17:14.34 | levi | keldwud: The '84 vanagon is slowly rusting away in the driveway, and the '99 Pontiac Sunfire has the clearcoat starting to peel away on the tail end. |
| 17:15.13 | levi | The other two are Miatas; they were $5k each, and are easily obtainable for that if you're so inclined. |
| 17:15.34 | tomstokes | levi: You have two Miatas? I believe by law you're required to come autocross with us now. |
| 17:16.59 | levi | I've thought about it, and it would be fun, but realistically I'm never going to get around to it. |
| 17:17.48 | levi | Plus I don't have the cash to drop of supersticky tires anymore. |
| 17:17.49 | keldwud | levi: so basically what you're saying is that you're on the white trash side of the spectrum :) |
| 17:18.03 | tomstokes | It's easy enough to try out. You pretty much own THE arrive-and-drive car, so you don't even need to prep (other than pulling your floor mats and stuff) so you could come try it out one weekend |
| 17:18.07 | keldwud | is it to the point where neighbors call the cops on you for your vehicles yet? |
| 17:18.08 | levi | keldwud: White trash don't drive Vanagons and Miatas. Duh. |
| 17:18.11 | keldwud | that happened to my parents |
| 17:18.17 | keldwud | to a car in their driveway |
| 17:18.33 | keldwud | neighbors called the cops to complain about it. |
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| 17:18.58 | tomstokes | levi: First event is only $15 at our local region: http://www.utahscca.com/autocross/getting-started Let me know if you want to try it out |
| 17:19.03 | levi | No, my vehicles are not in *that* bad of shape. |
| 17:19.41 | levi | tomstokes: I've been to one and rode shotgun in a Miata. It was lots of fun. But as I said, probably not going to happen. :) |
| 17:20.06 | levi | My cars are *cool*; the rusty vanagon has *patina*. ;) |
| 17:20.38 | levi | The kids at the Arby's drive-thru tell me they're cool, anyway. |
| 17:20.51 | joshh | do they ask if you want a puff? |
| 17:21.13 | levi | No. :P |
| 17:21.20 | keldwud | levi: laughed out loud at the arby's comment :) |
| 17:21.34 | Jayce^ | levi: saw of the of the camper ones recently, that had a lift and some great bigger wheels.. wonder what they did to get a better engine in it to drive them |
| 17:22.30 | levi | Jayce^: All sorts of options for better engines. Mine's got bigger wheels and is a year that was naturally a bit taller as well, it looks a bit lifted. I've got a 2.5l Subaru boxer in mine. |
| 17:24.59 | levi | Some people manage the lift and big wheels and camper on the stock engine with a bit of massaging, though. |
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| 17:26.32 | levi | They're really very fun vehicles, especially if you get the Syncro version. The Syncro campers are ridiculously expensive, though, despite being 30 years old. |
| 17:27.43 | levi | There are some guys working on adapting the Subaru 4wd to the Syncro chassis, though. The trick is reversing the direction the geartrain drives the wheels and output shaft, though, as the engine is backwards from how it's mounted in a Subaru. |
| 17:33.28 | Jayce^ | meh, just leave it as is, and drive backwards... :) |
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| 17:52.16 | jxqz | that's a Red Green solution |
| 17:52.24 | jxqz | turn the seats around |
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| 18:48.03 | keldwud | finally got my final installation appointment for fiber :) |
| 18:48.06 | keldwud | monday morning |
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| 19:28.23 | opapo | I found my issues from this morning. the script checked if a file existed. If it didn't it would quit. the script worked with no errors. The debugging didn't happen because I misconfigured the debug level. |
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| 22:50.36 | Heartsbane | Hey guys just wanted to tell you what little faith I had in humanity is lost: http://www.kutv.com/news/top-stories/stories/vid_10407.shtml |
| 22:50.46 | Heartsbane | ^^^ Jayce^ |
| 22:51.16 | Heartsbane | goes back to lurking. |
| 22:58.30 | jxqz | but it's a 'top story' |
| 22:58.38 | youtah | and so yesterday |
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| 23:11.26 | RyanE | Interesting: http://www.c4forums.com/topic/14578-nest-protect/ |
| 23:11.43 | RyanE | It's Google's problem now... |
| 23:16.54 | RyanE | Posted that to the wrong channel. Duh. |
| 23:40.05 | Greagle | Geez Hearts |
| 23:40.12 | Greagle | that's messed up |
| 23:41.42 | Greagle | such publicity. That guy loves his brother |