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| 15:20.22 | jxqz | you know what's funny about comcrap is that I've never been able to sustain an ssh connection over them for longer than 24 hours |
| 15:20.53 | jxqz | it's like they have a drone that automatically kills all connections every midnight |
| 15:21.10 | RyanE | I assume you're on Comcast Residential, not Commercial, right? |
| 15:22.10 | jima | assumes/hopes that as well |
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| 15:23.33 | jxqz | comcrap business |
| 15:24.04 | jima | ouch |
| 15:24.38 | jxqz | however, vpn connections don't get konked |
| 15:24.59 | jxqz | or, maybe they do and openvpn just reconnects |
| 15:25.27 | jxqz | in either case, comcrap is still teh sux |
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| 15:36.21 | unum | I couldn't even maintain an ssh connection to comcast for that long, and I had a business count as well |
| 15:36.34 | unum | it seemed like it got disconnected every couple of hours |
| 15:36.49 | unum | then once I switched my server to linode, no more problems |
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| 15:43.25 | fungus | I've had a decent experience with Comcast business connections. VPN tunnels stay up for weeks usually. |
| 15:44.03 | fungus | Now Comcast's private lines using coax sucks balls compared to a real leased line service. |
| 15:47.56 | eightyeight | i never had problems with ssh over my personal comcast line like i have had with century link |
| 15:48.22 | eightyeight | i only lose it about once per week, as it seems that clink resets my connection sunday morning at 02:00, give or take |
| 15:48.29 | eightyeight | and my router has to re-auth |
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| 15:50.00 | eightyeight | my clink experience has not been very positive. i would much prefer to have comcast over clink. |
| 15:50.06 | eightyeight | i loved my comcast connection |
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| 17:11.00 | Migs | crap...I removed my user from the sudoer group on accident...how do I get that back? |
| 17:11.04 | levi | My comcast ssh sessions work fine. This one has been open for a couple of weeks, I think. |
| 17:11.54 | levi | I thought it had got pretty crappy for a while, but it turns out it was my wireless router dying rather than comcast. |
| 17:13.21 | eightyeight | Migs: get root, and edit the file |
| 17:15.19 | T4rku5 | I'm trying to debug a logrotate that's not rotating....and it just deleted logs rather than rotate them |
| 17:15.29 | T4rku5 | in a way, problem (logs too big) is solved |
| 17:15.34 | eightyeight | heh |
| 17:15.37 | T4rku5 | in another, I don't know what's wrong :) |
| 17:16.04 | eightyeight | i've archived and compressed files, only to "rm *.gz" after being finished, just to realize that i also deleted my "archive.tar.gz" |
| 17:16.21 | levi | Whoops. |
| 17:16.36 | eightyeight | good thing for backups |
| 17:16.37 | levi | T4rku5: Did you run out of disk space? |
| 17:16.38 | eightyeight | heh |
| 17:17.05 | T4rku5 | levi, we were at 85%, so I looked, and some logs were 15G |
| 17:17.19 | T4rku5 | httpd, hadn't rotated since last year |
| 17:17.26 | T4rku5 | don't know what changed, that was before my time |
| 17:17.54 | T4rku5 | so I did a logrotate -fd /etc/logrotate.d/httpd |
| 17:18.04 | T4rku5 | bam -- multi gig files are all gone |
| 17:19.30 | levi | Could be that it ran out of space for the gz file, but wasn't written correctly to deal with that kind of failure. |
| 17:20.38 | eightyeight | when manually rotating, i'll move the file, restart the service holding on to it's file descriptor, and compress it manually |
| 17:20.44 | levi | I am far enough from being a sysadmin these days that I don't have any real solid advice, though. |
| 17:25.49 | shalkie | My first curiosity is what is in the /etc/logrotate.d/httpd config? If rotate is 0, then the files are just removed and not rotated. |
| 17:26.01 | shalkie | T4rku5: ^^ |
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| 17:33.55 | T4rku5 | shalkie -- I didn't write this one, but here it is |
| 17:34.00 | T4rku5 | /var/log/httpd/*log { |
| 17:34.01 | T4rku5 | <PROTECTED> |
| 17:34.01 | T4rku5 | <PROTECTED> |
| 17:34.02 | T4rku5 | <PROTECTED> |
| 17:34.04 | T4rku5 | <PROTECTED> |
| 17:34.06 | T4rku5 | <PROTECTED> |
| 17:34.08 | T4rku5 | <PROTECTED> |
| 17:34.10 | T4rku5 | <PROTECTED> |
| 17:34.12 | T4rku5 | } |
| 17:34.22 | T4rku5 | here's mine: |
| 17:34.24 | T4rku5 | /var/log/test.log { |
| 17:34.25 | T4rku5 | <PROTECTED> |
| 17:34.25 | T4rku5 | <PROTECTED> |
| 17:34.26 | T4rku5 | <PROTECTED> |
| 17:34.28 | T4rku5 | <PROTECTED> |
| 17:34.30 | T4rku5 | <PROTECTED> |
| 17:34.33 | T4rku5 | <PROTECTED> |
| 17:34.35 | T4rku5 | } |
| 17:36.45 | rog3r | what is this voodo |
| 17:42.42 | T4rku5 | pretty dark stuff |
| 17:43.27 | eightyeight | T4rku5: you should have a "rotate" line for your /var/log/httpd/*.log |
| 17:43.43 | T4rku5 | like in my test |
| 17:43.44 | eightyeight | as well as "daily", "weekly", etc |
| 17:43.48 | eightyeight | indeed |
| 17:43.50 | T4rku5 | rotate 4 |
| 17:43.59 | levi | pulls hair out. |
| 17:44.04 | T4rku5 | I've always been saying the stuff I'm producing is better than the stuff they had before me |
| 17:44.04 | eightyeight | and a "create" line also, so it can create a new empty file after rotation |
| 17:44.43 | eightyeight | also, pastebin ftw |
| 17:44.45 | eightyeight | :) |
| 17:45.09 | levi | So, IT can't figure out how it wants to do web proxying. The one that Windows boxes used to get via automatic configuration no longer works. And the one that was being deprecated is now auto-configured. |
| 17:45.19 | T4rku5 | yeah, pastebin |
| 17:45.20 | T4rku5 | sorry |
| 17:46.02 | levi | But it turns out that they shut down the firewall rule that made the http proxy necessary in the first place. |
| 17:47.13 | levi | So much fail. |
| 17:47.18 | levi | *sigh* |
| 17:48.15 | shalkie | Still, this is, what /etc/logrotate.d/httpd, right T4rku5 ? If so it would inherit the globals from /etc/logrotate.conf, which probably already has the (daily|weekly|monthly) and such. |
| 17:48.33 | shalkie | and pastie for the win. :-) |
| 17:48.36 | T4rku5 | ah, yes, good point |
| 17:48.48 | T4rku5 | I like droplr |
| 17:50.21 | shalkie | If you call the httpd config file directly, it won't pick those up. |
| 17:50.34 | T4rku5 | shalkie, yes, weekly, rotate 4, create are all in /etc/logrotate.conf |
| 17:50.34 | shalkie | wanders |
| 17:53.12 | T4rku5 | so if I specify 'daily' in the logrotate.d/[whatever], will that overwrite the 'weekly' in logrotate.conf? |
| 17:53.26 | T4rku5 | similarly, rotate 8 vs. rotate 4 in .conf |
| 17:53.27 | T4rku5 | ? |
| 17:54.34 | HumanCell | Wow ... that is one BIG landslide in WA .. http://www.nasa.gov/sites/default/files/oso_oli_2014082_lrg-1000.jpg |
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| 18:16.44 | levi | Hmm, restrooms on my floor smell like paint today instead of thinset or drywall mud. Hopefully that means they'll be done soon. |
| 18:19.31 | davido_ | I guess I didn't realize the scale of that thing, HumanCell. |
| 18:20.49 | davido_ | http://www.nytimes.com/interactive/2014/03/26/us/houses-in-the-path-of-the-washington-mudslide.html?_r=1 |
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| 18:28.15 | jxqz | metalog ftw |
| 18:29.36 | keldwud | ok, in the syslog protocol/specification, I can't figure out what the heck an SD-ID is supposed to be, but the format is usually "exampleSSID@8675309" where Jenny's number represents a private enterprise number that is arbitrary? assigned? calculated? |
| 18:31.00 | levi | Enterprise numbers are assigned |
| 18:31.43 | levi | The belong to the group of protocols that includes SNMP which are based on ASN.1 and related standards. |
| 18:32.18 | levi | IANA.org assigns them, IIRC. |
| 18:33.18 | keldwud | okay, so if I had something generating syslog messages, what SD-ID would it be using? |
| 18:33.24 | keldwud | that's why I'm kind of confused |
| 18:33.59 | levi | I am in the database as the contact for enterprise number 11100, actually. |
| 18:35.58 | keldwud | so my machines will most likely not include an SD-ID? |
| 18:36.08 | levi | It would be <some arbitrary stuff>@<enterprise number of enterprise building the software> |
| 18:37.12 | keldwud | aaahhh ok |
| 18:37.15 | keldwud | now it makes more sense |
| 18:37.17 | keldwud | thank you |
| 18:37.21 | levi | Unless they're the ones defined in section 7 of RFC5424, I guess. |
| 18:37.52 | keldwud | yeha, I was reading through that rfc actually |
| 18:38.15 | keldwud | just was having trouble wrapping my head around it until you said <enterprise number of enterprise building the software> |
| 18:38.17 | levi | So, if I were logging something for my previous employer, I'd have LoggingWidgetService@11100 as a SD-ID, or somesuch. |
| 18:39.07 | levi | In fact, my widgets *were* logging things via remote syslog, but I don't think I ever used an SD-ID like that. |
| 18:41.52 | levi | I probably just didn't use any structured data. |
| 18:42.58 | keldwud | is the enterprise number in syslog SD-ID similar to what is found in snmp? |
| 18:43.14 | keldwud | i.e. the numbers identifying enterprises in snmp through the MIBs? |
| 18:44.40 | keldwud | <whatever>@<iana registered snmp enterprise oid> |
| 18:44.44 | keldwud | according to section 7 |
| 18:47.59 | levi | Yeah, same number. |
| 18:48.23 | levi | Except you don't use the full enterprise OID, just the enterprise number. |
| 18:51.41 | jxqz | I should have a german guy say "SuSE" for me so I can record it and play the recording whenever I need to say it |
| 18:51.52 | jxqz | zooza |
| 18:52.15 | jxqz | not 'sous' or 'susie' |
| 18:53.16 | levi | Like the one with Linus pronouncing his name and the name of his OS? |
| 18:53.36 | jxqz | yes |
| 18:54.52 | levi | Except I'm not sure anyone really cares about SuSE enough to bother with saying it "correctly". |
| 18:58.05 | ldav15_ | jxqz: SuSE is like John Phillip _Sousa_ |
| 18:58.26 | keldwud | or like gif? |
| 18:59.20 | ldav15_ | But since he's German, it would be Zousa, since initial S's are voiced |
| 19:02.29 | ldav15_ | Sousa is how I've heard it's supposed to be said. |
| 19:06.29 | jima | i've always heard it as "sue suh" |
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| 20:07.59 | jxqz | ~napoleon |
| 20:08.00 | infobot | Sweet! That's like a dollar an hour! |
| 20:08.13 | jxqz | ~nacho |
| 20:08.13 | infobot | Do you remember when the people were shouting my name and I used my strength to rip my blouse? |
| 20:08.24 | jxqz | ~napoleon ~nacho |
| 20:08.24 | infobot | ACTION makes ~nacho buy a lotto ticket for Napoleon |
| 20:11.25 | jxqz | ~mater |
| 20:11.37 | jxqz | GitR Done! |
| 20:12.00 | jxqz | ~fortune levi |
| 20:12.03 | jxqz | ~fortune |
| 20:12.03 | infobot | i guess fortune is a kickass app available for Linux. Packages are in OZ and http://frob.us/modules.php?name=Fortune lets you use fortune over the web. |
| 20:13.56 | Migs | https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wRipBOQl95o |
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| 20:15.50 | rog3r | awesome |
| 20:19.26 | Migs | kind of surprised Michael Bay agreed to work with Megan Fox again. Probably knows she'll bring in $$$. |
| 20:19.59 | rog3r | its raining hail here in Payson |
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| 20:52.24 | keldwud | am I doing this right? sort -d log-list > log-list |
| 20:52.39 | keldwud | or is there a more concise way to do that? am I being redundant in any way? |
| 20:55.23 | rog3r | because the input is same as output, there could be an issue |
| 20:55.56 | rog3r | sort -d log-list > log-list.sorted |
| 20:56.09 | rog3r | then rename if needed |
| 20:56.42 | keldwud | oh yeah |
| 20:56.48 | keldwud | I knew I was missing something important |
| 20:57.10 | keldwud | I mean, I obviously wanted it sorted, but your step has baked in recovery / error checking |
| 20:57.17 | keldwud | that way if something goes wrong |
| 20:57.20 | keldwud | thank you, rog3r |
| 20:57.23 | rog3r | yw :) |
| 20:57.31 | rog3r | yay, my first time helping someone in #utah |
| 20:58.02 | keldwud | oh wow. yeah, I was left with an empty file using my method |
| 20:58.06 | keldwud | something did go wrong :) |
| 20:58.32 | rog3r | yeah, I've made that mistake before myself |
| 20:59.13 | jxqz | how do you do `| grep -v "expr1|expr2"`? I can't seem to get it work |
| 20:59.23 | rog3r | if you like vi/vim you could sort from within the document, either with the builtin :sort, or call external !sort -d |
| 20:59.35 | rog3r | jxqz: i think you need the e flag |
| 20:59.46 | keldwud | I do like vim, I just don't know the intermediate to advanced usage yet |
| 20:59.49 | keldwud | thank you for the tip |
| 21:00.02 | rog3r | egrep -v "expr1|expr2", or grep -Ev "expr1|expr2" |
| 21:00.22 | rog3r | keldwud: yw :) |
| 21:00.29 | keldwud | you're on a roll today, aren't you rog3r? |
| 21:00.33 | jxqz | oh, egrep |
| 21:00.35 | rog3r | hehe, seems that way |
| 21:00.39 | jxqz | alias grep=egrep |
| 21:00.41 | jxqz | :) |
| 21:01.12 | rog3r | clever :) |
| 21:01.24 | jxqz | all regexes that aren't pcre should DIE |
| 21:01.36 | jxqz | enough of this legacy crap |
| 21:01.41 | rog3r | i.e. globbing |
| 21:01.53 | rog3r | i think |
| 21:01.58 | keldwud | hmm.. is there an equivalent kern.log in rhel? |
| 21:02.06 | rog3r | shrugs |
| 21:02.32 | rog3r | at my work, its all about /var/log/messages |
| 21:02.58 | jxqz | metalog ftw |
| 21:06.30 | T4rku5 | question from earlier -- logrotate |
| 21:07.16 | rog3r | i lack experience with logrotate |
| 21:07.27 | T4rku5 | if in logrotate.conf, I specify weekly, rotate 4, and then in /etc/logrotate.d/whatever files specify montly, and rotate 6, will that file overwrite the .conf file? |
| 21:08.21 | rog3r | shrugs |
| 21:08.38 | T4rku5 | fortunately this channel has more than just you and me rog3r :) |
| 21:08.51 | rog3r | breathes big sigh |
| 21:09.37 | rog3r | point of order... if I don't know an answer, shall I let you know? or remain silent? |
| 21:10.19 | rog3r | i generally like to indicate so you at least don't feel completely ignored |
| 21:10.42 | rog3r | but silence works too |
| 21:11.14 | jxqz | with metalog, neither do you need the old logger crap or the logrotate hack, it handles it all |
| 21:11.40 | jxqz | {k|r}syslog do not even log the stuff you need most of the time |
| 21:18.34 | eightyeight | T4rku5: yes. the service-specific file will overwrite it |
| 21:26.12 | harleypig | anyone know how I can force branch deletions to propagate in gitlab? |
| 21:29.02 | T4rku5 | thanks eightyeight |
| 21:29.14 | T4rku5 | so. Why is logrotate deleting my files.... |
| 21:29.27 | T4rku5 | delves back into the depths of google |
| 21:30.51 | eightyeight | do you have a default definition on the rotation? |
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| 23:43.36 | ldav15 | An answer from the past about how to say SuSE (/ˈsuːsə/) http://web.archive.org/web/20011217224345/http://www.suse.de/us/company/suse_faq/index.html |
| 23:46.19 | ldav15 | Not the maketing driven SUSE (/ˈsuːzə/) pronunciation https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TyI8JcW6uno |
