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| 00:30.35 | romanovic | that does sound interesting, didn't know this was a common thing in utah |
| 00:32.05 | romanovic | wants to find a CSA dairy/ranch that will provide milk and a side of beef each year |
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| 04:38.52 | klys | ~slashdot |
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| 14:42.09 | bonez2046 | I am on my son's laptop...it's overheated...got a fan blowing on it to bring temp down...the problem? he has a document open and unsaved since 20:00 last night... |
| 14:43.10 | bonez2046 | how cann I 1) get the machine cooled down enough and 2) where would the temporary file for this open-but-unsaved document be saved? /tmp? |
| 14:43.55 | bonez2046 | ideas? |
| 14:44.41 | bonez2046 | the GUI is UNITY on this machine, with 12.10 ubuntu |
| 14:45.33 | bonez2046 | I can invoke the run command with alt-f2 and enter commands there,,,, but can't get the window for soffice.bin to respond |
| 14:47.01 | bonez2046 | screen is non-responsive to mouse / pointer controls but does respond to keyboard actions, at least in launching run dialogue |
| 14:56.30 | keldwud | copy paste the file into the cloud |
| 14:56.41 | keldwud | or get a notepad and a pen :) |
| 14:57.17 | keldwud | or just copy paste the file into a different text editor and save it onto a thumb drive |
| 14:57.35 | keldwud | bonez2046: can you click and drag and highlight stuff in the document? |
| 14:57.48 | keldwud | or just click in the window then press ctrl-a |
| 14:57.52 | keldwud | to select all |
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| 15:00.05 | cjcothran | oh, I was responding to soething else from a different time |
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| 15:00.58 | keldwud | I missed the whole conversation from bonez about his son's document |
| 15:01.03 | keldwud | I was going to tell him to copy paste |
| 15:01.41 | keldwud | and then tell him to tell his son that programs like evernote and google docs save on every minute change |
| 15:02.12 | keldwud | and to use those programs for drafts and then once all the content is created, move it to a different word processor if you don't like google docs or evernote for document layout |
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| 16:34.35 | keldwud | who was it that recommended to me that I could probably keep my daughter in kindergarten to get her into the charter school I wanted? |
| 16:34.37 | keldwud | I want to thank you again |
| 16:34.55 | Migs | why? |
| 16:34.57 | keldwud | I just had a meeting with the school and since they are Montissori, they combine K and 1 anyway |
| 16:35.02 | Migs | nice! |
| 16:35.09 | RyanE | cool. |
| 16:35.10 | keldwud | Migs: because I would have turned down an otherwise awesome chance |
| 16:35.29 | keldwud | so because they advised me to check out the option of keeping her back, I didn't throw away a golden opportunity |
| 16:35.37 | keldwud | because the lottery for Walden Elementary in Provo is huge |
| 16:36.00 | keldwud | if I didn't get her in at Kindergarten, we would have had a tough time for the next 10 years trying to get in |
| 16:36.04 | keldwud | I'm so happy and excited :) |
| 16:43.34 | Migs | I love how whenever we post some notice about an IT job, like our web developer position, on Facebook...some parent always responds with "WHY DON'T YOU JUST NOT HIRE A DEVELOPER AND PAY TEACHERS MORE?" |
| 16:43.41 | Migs | keldwud: I'm glad you got it figured out |
| 16:43.46 | keldwud | thanks :) |
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| 16:47.25 | RyanE | Parents: It's a wonder we make it to adulthood. |
| 16:50.57 | keldwud | yeah, I always wonder about that myself |
| 16:51.07 | keldwud | I wonder how in the hell I've even made it this far |
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| 17:11.22 | keldwud | for once I finally feel like everything is going right in my life |
| 17:11.26 | keldwud | :) |
| 17:12.02 | RyanE | knock on wood. |
| 17:12.44 | youtah | https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FzoXQKumgCw |
| 17:15.12 | youtah | You guys should see the "friends suggestion" list on Facebook for me |
| 17:15.14 | youtah | Good heavens |
| 17:15.34 | youtah | partially blames Jayce's brother for photographing models and makeup artists |
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| 17:33.33 | keldwud | youtah: just delete your facebook. your life will be so much better |
| 17:33.42 | keldwud | ok in vcloud if I have a firewall rule to allow internal:any to internal:any any protocol, I should be able to have a guest access itself via IP shouldn't I? |
| 17:33.44 | keldwud | I can access the service by accessing through 'localhost' but I can't access the service through the IP |
| 17:33.46 | keldwud | because the connection is refused |
| 17:34.41 | youtah | keldwud, but that's where I get 90% of my photography business |
| 17:42.11 | youtah | http://imgur.com/gallery/wwfr6VB They Hatin'..... |
| 17:44.09 | keldwud | hah |
| 17:45.34 | keldwud | youtah: prepare your mouth |
| 17:45.37 | keldwud | I'm about to assault it |
| 17:45.39 | keldwud | http://thisiswhyyourefat.tumblr.com/post/154947566/bacon-chip-nachos-submitted-by-adam-rindy-and |
| 17:46.00 | keldwud | http://thisiswhyyourefat.tumblr.com/post/149529862/wonton-nachos-via-ocregister |
| 17:46.06 | keldwud | http://thisiswhyyourefat.tumblr.com/post/254495713/chocolate-covered-cinnamon-nachos-topped-with |
| 17:46.14 | keldwud | http://thisiswhyyourefat.tumblr.com/post/120006246/kentucky-nachos-potato-chips-covered |
| 17:46.18 | keldwud | ok, done |
| 17:46.37 | keldwud | those kentucky nachos actually look delicious |
| 17:46.37 | youtah | keldwud, http://imgur.com/gallery/RAY8rcE along |
| 17:46.49 | youtah | along with this for those who don't get it (http://open.spotify.com/track/5Z01UMMf7V1o0MzF86s6WJ) |
| 17:47.29 | youtah | The Bacon chips nachos look amazing |
| 17:49.48 | youtah | Drill down into the top comment too |
| 17:58.21 | youtah | http://i.imgur.com/Vhgb4ay.jpg |
| 18:02.45 | keldwud | double quotes don't expand things like periods or carats and single quotes expand them, right? |
| 18:03.02 | eightyeight | in the shell? |
| 18:03.02 | keldwud | or should I just get in the habit of escaping out my characters that I don't want to be read as part of the regex? |
| 18:03.04 | RyanE | depends on what language you're talking about. |
| 18:03.07 | keldwud | regex |
| 18:03.09 | keldwud | sed |
| 18:03.10 | keldwud | sorry |
| 18:03.14 | eightyeight | so in the shell |
| 18:03.17 | keldwud | yeah |
| 18:03.23 | RyanE | eightyeight wins! |
| 18:03.26 | keldwud | lol |
| 18:03.35 | eightyeight | the shell will interpret special characters wrapped in double quotes |
| 18:03.47 | keldwud | oh ok, I always get it confused |
| 18:03.50 | eightyeight | strings wrapped in single quotes will be no be interpreted by the shell |
| 18:03.50 | keldwud | that's why I asked first |
| 18:04.08 | eightyeight | you can always test it: |
| 18:04.17 | eightyeight | $ echo "$SALE$" |
| 18:04.19 | eightyeight | vs |
| 18:04.24 | eightyeight | $ echo '$SALE$' |
| 18:04.38 | keldwud | ok yeah, I should start doing that until I get it memorized |
| 18:06.49 | keldwud | omg |
| 18:06.53 | keldwud | fibernet *finally* got back to me |
| 18:07.10 | keldwud | for a datacenter technician position |
| 18:07.27 | keldwud | ooh, I should have asked them if I could just work weekends and be on call |
| 18:07.35 | keldwud | during after hours |
| 18:07.50 | keldwud | that would net me some extra money and I bet that is when a datacenter technician is most needed |
| 18:12.05 | eightyeight | most outages occur during business hours, M-F when the customer stress hits |
| 18:12.12 | eightyeight | with that said, techs are plentiful |
| 18:12.16 | eightyeight | as a result, not that valuable |
| 18:12.34 | eightyeight | on weekends, outages are rare, but techs who are avaialble during that time are highly valued |
| 18:12.34 | keldwud | yeah, they must be plentiful if it took them over a month to get back to me |
| 18:12.45 | eightyeight | (in general) |
| 18:12.45 | keldwud | that's what I meant, highly valued |
| 18:12.57 | eightyeight | well, maybe not rare |
| 18:13.00 | eightyeight | "less-frequent" |
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| 18:25.31 | keldwud | is there any way to "compress" or shorten this series of commands? http://pastie.org/8862573 |
| 18:26.23 | keldwud | the abstract is as follows: uncomment cluster.name, rename to x. uncomment node.name, rename to y. |
| 18:26.50 | keldwud | and is there a way to abstract it further? i.e. "replace whatever is there in the first place" |
| 18:27.34 | jsmith | keldwud: Perhaps using Augeas |
| 18:27.39 | jsmith | (or however you spell that) |
| 18:27.50 | keldwud | so sed might not be the proper tool in this case? |
| 18:27.55 | keldwud | googles augeas |
| 18:28.13 | goozbach | too many tech |
| 18:28.19 | goozbach | not enough time |
| 18:28.23 | jsmith | goozbach: But Augeas is *cool* tech :-p |
| 18:28.36 | jsmith | It's the ultimate config file editor/parser/fixer tool :-) |
| 18:28.36 | goozbach | augeas, docker, packer, ansible 1.5 features |
| 18:28.41 | goozbach | jsmith: I know! |
| 18:28.43 | jsmith | goozbach: I know, right :-) |
| 18:29.10 | goozbach | I did however just get my first AWS gig |
| 18:29.19 | goozbach | got a customer to deploy to AWS |
| 18:29.23 | goozbach | (using ansible!) |
| 18:29.48 | keldwud | this is the first I've heard of Augeas. why? |
| 18:29.53 | keldwud | I've heard of ansible and salt |
| 18:34.46 | jsmith | keldwud: Because you don't listen to me, or ask the right questions, or something... |
| 18:34.59 | keldwud | I think the second one there |
| 18:35.06 | keldwud | unless you've mentioned it before |
| 18:35.10 | keldwud | then the first option also applies |
| 18:41.43 | keldwud | does yaml differentiate between spaces and tabs? |
| 18:42.00 | goozbach | keldwud: yaml should '*NOT*' have tabs |
| 18:42.02 | goozbach | two spaces |
| 18:42.07 | keldwud | ok thanks |
| 18:42.07 | goozbach | TWO SPACES! |
| 18:42.10 | goozbach | :) |
| 18:42.10 | keldwud | got it :) |
| 18:42.21 | goozbach | ~say TWO SPACES! |
| 18:42.21 | infobot | TWO SPACES! |
| 18:42.27 | goozbach | infobot: yaml? |
| 18:42.27 | infobot | i heard yaml is YAML(tm) (rhymes with "camel"), a straightforward machine parsable data serialization format designed for human readability and interaction with scripting languages such as Perl and Python. YAML is optimized for data serialization, configuration settings, log files, Internet messaging and filtering. |
| 18:42.52 | goozbach | infobot: yaml is also <reply> INDENT TWO SPACES! |
| 18:42.52 | infobot | goozbach: okay |
| 18:42.57 | goozbach | infobot: yaml? |
| 18:42.57 | infobot | it has been said that yaml is YAML(tm) (rhymes with "camel"), a straightforward machine parsable data serialization format designed for human readability and interaction with scripting languages such as Perl and Python. YAML is optimized for data serialization, configuration settings, log files, Internet messaging and filtering. <reply> INDENT TWO SPACES! |
| 18:43.01 | goozbach | bah |
| 18:43.19 | jsmith | goozbach: You broke it! |
| 18:43.34 | keldwud | heh |
| 18:45.40 | RyanE | Another reason for me to dislike Obama: http://consumerist.com/2014/03/04/obama-administration-takes-sides-in-aereo-case-asks-supreme-court-to-side-with-broadcasters/ |
| 18:45.48 | RyanE | gah. |
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| 18:52.35 | keldwud | is upstart the thing that allows me to "service x start|stop|restart"? |
| 18:52.45 | keldwud | instead of /etc/init.d/service start|stop|restart |
| 18:54.51 | RyanE | again, depends on your distro. |
| 18:55.15 | RyanE | specificity is the soul of narrative. |
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| 18:57.22 | keldwud | ubuntu |
| 18:57.23 | keldwud | sorry |
| 18:57.30 | keldwud | you're right. I was being vague there |
| 18:57.35 | keldwud | ubuntu server 12.04 |
| 18:57.53 | RyanE | I think service still applies on that vintage. |
| 18:58.11 | RyanE | is it not working? |
| 18:59.09 | keldwud | oh it is |
| 18:59.17 | keldwud | I've an init.d script |
| 18:59.23 | keldwud | that I wanted to implement |
| 18:59.28 | keldwud | but there is also an upstart method |
| 18:59.31 | keldwud | and I wasn't sure which way to do it |
| 18:59.57 | keldwud | http://logstashbook.com/code/3/logstash-central-init vs http://cookbook.logstash.net/recipes/using-upstart/ |
| 19:09.22 | levi | I've been talking about augeas here, too. Mostly because it's based on interesting CS theory. |
| 19:11.36 | levi | I'm happy to hear that others here actually find it to be awesome at its intended task. |
| 19:15.15 | keldwud | I'll have to check it out and read more about it |
| 19:15.28 | keldwud | would I use it in place of something like ansible? or as a supplement? |
| 19:15.50 | keldwud | is it a lower level config management? or is it expansive in what it can do? |
| 19:16.04 | keldwud | like, can it also replace puppet/chef |
| 19:21.06 | levi | I have no idea; I just know it's made of lenses. :) |
| 19:22.13 | T4rku5 | keldwud, do you want to replace chef? |
| 19:22.28 | keldwud | T4rku5: no. I haven't even gotten to that level of config management yet |
| 19:22.43 | keldwud | I'm still running everything from the command line :) |
| 19:22.47 | keldwud | forevernoob |
| 19:22.48 | levi | Its job is to understand how to read/write values in the native config files of various programs and to present to you the system configuration in a unified, hierarchical format. |
| 19:22.59 | keldwud | levi: that sounds sexy |
| 19:23.02 | T4rku5 | i've never used puppet, but chef seems pretty cool |
| 19:23.45 | levi | You can write edits to the system configuration in terms of its unified view, and it takes care of mucking with the actual files. |
| 19:24.48 | levi | You should also look at saltstack. |
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| 20:16.26 | fozzmoo | http://www.foxnews.com/world/2014/03/04/russia-test-fires-intercontinental-ballistic-missile-report-says/ |
| 20:19.47 | goozbach | yeah, this can't be good |
| 20:29.30 | levi | Except they announced they were going to test a bunch of rockets and missiles earlier this year, according to that article. |
| 20:30.16 | fugue88 | Just goes to show the whole thing is planned. |
| 20:30.18 | fugue88 | :P |
| 20:30.54 | levi | I'm sure there is some degree of sabre-rattling involved. |
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| 20:38.00 | fozzmoo | Welcome to 1978. |
| 20:40.36 | levi | Welcome to the entire history of the world. |
| 20:41.08 | levi | At least since there have been people organized into tribal groups/nation states. |
| 20:41.22 | keldwud | /etc/init.d/httpd restart? or apachestl restart? |
| 20:41.24 | keldwud | in centos |
| 20:41.31 | goozbach | keldwud: service foo X |
| 20:41.38 | goozbach | genric |
| 20:41.38 | keldwud | centos can do that? |
| 20:41.41 | goozbach | yup |
| 20:41.45 | keldwud | oh ok |
| 20:41.50 | goozbach | and don't forget chkconfig |
| 20:41.56 | goozbach | chkconfig foo on|off |
| 20:42.00 | goozbach | chkconfig --list foo |
| 20:43.15 | fozzmoo | keldwud: All three will work. |
| 20:43.29 | fozzmoo | /etc/init.d/httpd restart, apachectl restart, and /sbin/service httpd restart |
| 20:56.07 | programmerq | and don't forget that systemd is coming. soon it'll be systemctl restart httpd |
| 20:56.52 | goozbach | hence my suggesting 'service' |
| 20:56.57 | goozbach | which isn't going anywhere |
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| 21:24.04 | youtah | I'm afraid to do taxes this year |
| 21:24.17 | goozbach | ditto |
| 21:25.12 | youtah | We can cry together goozbach |
| 21:26.32 | keldwud | I got boned hard last year |
| 21:26.37 | keldwud | screwed out of 4k |
| 21:26.42 | keldwud | because somebody filed for my daughter first |
| 21:26.47 | keldwud | and then I got audited |
| 21:27.03 | keldwud | and couldn't prove I was head of household because no receipts for clothes or utilities or rent |
| 21:27.16 | youtah | Is it declared in your divorce decree? |
| 21:27.20 | keldwud | divorce? |
| 21:27.23 | keldwud | wha? |
| 21:27.25 | youtah | ah |
| 21:27.28 | keldwud | lol |
| 21:27.33 | keldwud | no, her aunt and uncle filed for her |
| 21:27.37 | youtah | yeah, my friend just went through the exact same thing |
| 21:27.37 | eightyeight | how does someone claim your daughteR |
| 21:27.40 | youtah | kind of |
| 21:27.42 | keldwud | because the stupid case worker lied to them and said they could claim her |
| 21:27.43 | eightyeight | s/R/r?/ |
| 21:27.49 | keldwud | eightyeight: simple, SSN |
| 21:27.55 | keldwud | that's all you need to claim somebody |
| 21:28.04 | eightyeight | so, someone has your daughter's SSN? |
| 21:28.06 | keldwud | then whomever files second has to dispute it with the IRS |
| 21:28.15 | goozbach | geez |
| 21:28.15 | keldwud | eightyeight: the state gave them her SSN |
| 21:28.19 | goozbach | that's sucks |
| 21:28.27 | keldwud | because the case worker is jsut stupid |
| 21:28.31 | keldwud | she also told them they could adopt her |
| 21:28.35 | keldwud | while I was fighting for custody |
| 21:28.37 | youtah | yeah. she's taking her ex to court because the odd years are hers |
| 21:28.39 | keldwud | I want to smack the... the... |
| 21:28.50 | keldwud | I want to swear just thinking about it |
| 21:29.09 | keldwud | it has also alienated my daughter from me permanently. there is always this thing where she misses her old home |
| 21:29.26 | keldwud | and how whenever she draws pictures of her family it's her and them |
| 21:29.36 | keldwud | I want to strangle the case worker, she took so much from me |
| 21:29.42 | keldwud | ends |
| 21:29.43 | keldwud | sorry |
| 21:29.49 | keldwud | lol, we were talking about taxes? :) |
| 21:29.56 | goozbach | yeah taxes suck |
| 21:29.57 | keldwud | 4k hurts |
| 21:30.00 | keldwud | it hurts bad |
| 21:30.01 | goozbach | no kidding |
| 21:30.05 | goozbach | ~taxes-- |
| 21:30.09 | goozbach | ~karma taxes |
| 21:30.09 | infobot | taxes has karma of -1 |
| 21:30.13 | goozbach | just -1? |
| 21:30.14 | keldwud | especially when me and my daugther were almost living on the streets |
| 21:30.21 | youtah | ~taxes-- |
| 21:30.24 | goozbach | ~taxes |
| 21:30.24 | infobot | i heard taxes is the method in which liberals steal money from hard working people and give it away to undeserving lazy bums |
| 21:30.30 | youtah | lol |
| 21:30.30 | keldwud | and they have two vehicles and aboat |
| 21:30.34 | goozbach | *snort* |
| 21:30.40 | youtah | Everyone should be on board |
| 21:30.42 | youtah | with |
| 21:30.44 | youtah | ~taxes-- |
| 21:33.51 | youtah | ~karma taxes |
| 21:33.51 | infobot | taxes has karma of -3 |
| 21:33.56 | youtah | Yesssss! |
| 21:36.10 | goozbach | ~karma comcast |
| 21:36.10 | infobot | comcast has karma of -229 |
| 21:36.17 | goozbach | ~taxes-- |
| 21:36.42 | keldwud | ~googlefiber |
| 21:36.47 | keldwud | whoops |
| 21:36.51 | keldwud | ~karma google fiber |
| 21:36.51 | infobot | google fiber has neutral karma |
| 21:36.59 | keldwud | ~google fiber++ |
| 21:37.10 | keldwud | looks around to make sure pashdown isn't watching |
| 21:37.11 | fungus | keldwud, um, actually the person providing support is the one that gets to claim the tax deduction. It doesn't matter who went first. |
| 21:37.28 | keldwud | fungus: well I have no idea how to fix it |
| 21:37.35 | keldwud | because they said I owe them 78 bucks now |
| 21:37.36 | youtah | Call the IRS |
| 21:37.43 | keldwud | the IRS is the one who denied my claim |
| 21:37.53 | keldwud | they said that I wasn't providing support after I sent them documentation |
| 21:37.55 | youtah | I know... they denied it initially |
| 21:37.58 | fungus | Did you provide support for her for more than 6 months? |
| 21:38.02 | keldwud | yes |
| 21:38.02 | youtah | call them and file a complaint |
| 21:38.05 | keldwud | more than six months and a day |
| 21:38.10 | goozbach | keldwud: get yourself a CPA |
| 21:38.19 | keldwud | and when I didn't have her, I was paying for her day care the whole time |
| 21:38.20 | goozbach | I'll throw a couple bux into the pot |
| 21:38.23 | keldwud | *and* paying child support |
| 21:38.36 | youtah | They might just go after your Uncle & Aunt for tax fraud too |
| 21:38.45 | youtah | I'll pitch in a couple of bucks with goozbach |
| 21:38.53 | keldwud | so I was paying child support, paying for her day care while she was in the care of her aunt and uncle, and on top of it, they got the tax claim on her |
| 21:39.11 | keldwud | how much does a CPA cost? |
| 21:39.23 | keldwud | my friend who does taxes, he told me I needed receipts |
| 21:39.26 | goozbach | keldwud: not sure for something like tis |
| 21:39.27 | youtah | Mine (which my taxes are ULTRA complicated) costs $500~ a year |
| 21:39.28 | keldwud | and I couldn't produce them |
| 21:39.35 | goozbach | keldwud: bank statment? |
| 21:39.37 | keldwud | because there are none |
| 21:39.41 | keldwud | nope |
| 21:39.43 | keldwud | I was broke |
| 21:39.54 | goozbach | that complicates things |
| 21:39.55 | keldwud | paying my parents rent |
| 21:39.58 | keldwud | and getting food stamps |
| 21:40.01 | unum | there are a lot of very specific rules around this sort of thing |
| 21:40.03 | youtah | Just call the IRS and see what they say |
| 21:40.13 | youtah | Worst case scenario is that they can't tell you anything. |
| 21:40.18 | youtah | (which I doubt) |
| 21:40.23 | youtah | Call and ask questions. |
| 21:40.55 | keldwud | and what would happen if I hired a CPA for $500 and then they find they can't get my tax return because I can't provide receipts? |
| 21:41.04 | youtah | There's ways |
| 21:41.10 | youtah | CC statements? |
| 21:41.13 | keldwud | but there's no incentive for them |
| 21:41.13 | youtah | Bank statements? |
| 21:41.21 | keldwud | because they already got paid |
| 21:41.30 | youtah | THey're not out to screw you |
| 21:41.30 | keldwud | so why would they go through all that work? lol |
| 21:41.48 | unum | keldwud:just to make sure I understand, you paid everything in cash and didn't get an receipts |
| 21:41.55 | youtah | they're there to get as much money back for you, legally, and make you happy so you refer your friends, so they make more money |
| 21:42.06 | keldwud | hmm |
| 21:42.29 | keldwud | figures how long he can go without 500 for |
| 21:42.41 | youtah | and ask the CPA first |
| 21:42.49 | youtah | It might be significantly cheaper than $500 |
| 21:44.15 | goozbach | don't you hate it when you're googling for a joke and all of the same keywords are part of a high-profile news story completely unrelated? |
| 21:44.24 | keldwud | umm |
| 21:44.32 | keldwud | yeah, that totally happens to me all the time |
| 21:44.37 | keldwud | literally |
| 21:44.41 | keldwud | literally literally |
| 21:45.05 | goozbach | was trying to find this black commedian who was talkinga bout how he always gets reciepts |
| 21:45.10 | goozbach | *EVERYWHERE* |
| 21:45.22 | goozbach | because they're iron-clad alabis |
| 21:45.25 | goozbach | was funny |
| 21:45.35 | goozbach | was gonna say you need to think along those lines |
| 21:45.36 | goozbach | :) |
| 21:45.50 | keldwud | oh I think I have that |
| 21:45.56 | keldwud | was it one of the ones from the humble bundle? |
| 21:46.01 | keldwud | the comedy one |
| 21:46.55 | pashdown | ~google fiber-- |
| 21:47.19 | fugue88 | ~karma google fiber |
| 21:47.19 | infobot | google fiber has neutral karma |
| 21:47.21 | goozbach | http://www.comedycentral.com/video-clips/vxg0ck/comedy-central-presents-paper-trail |
| 21:47.23 | fugue88 | ~karma google |
| 21:47.23 | infobot | google has karma of 3 |
| 21:47.27 | fugue88 | ~google-- |
| 21:47.48 | keldwud | lol |
| 21:48.13 | keldwud | 3 more days and I get an install date :) |
| 21:48.19 | keldwud | I'm just excited to get internet |
| 21:48.32 | pashdown | in provo? |
| 21:48.36 | keldwud | yeah |
| 21:48.37 | keldwud | downtown |
| 21:49.07 | pashdown | are they selling to businesses? |
| 21:49.13 | keldwud | I hope we can still be friends even though I'm getting google fiber :-p |
| 21:49.25 | keldwud | pashdown: I'm not sure, actually |
| 21:49.36 | pashdown | xmission will be peering with them soon, so just as long as you consider us for all your non-google needs :) |
| 21:49.46 | keldwud | haha ok I will :) |
| 21:50.03 | keldwud | I'm going to use the fiber to set up a freenode server, a tor node, and an ntp server |
| 21:50.08 | keldwud | maybe a couple of other things |
| 21:50.25 | keldwud | and vpn for myself |
| 21:51.06 | keldwud | goozbach: was it patrice o'neal or hannibal buress maybe? |
| 21:51.17 | goozbach | keldwud: link above |
| 21:51.22 | goozbach | patrice oneal |
| 21:51.25 | goozbach | http://www.comedycentral.com/video-clips/vxg0ck/comedy-central-presents-paper-trail |
| 21:51.26 | keldwud | paper trail |
| 21:51.28 | keldwud | oh you got it |
| 21:51.29 | keldwud | lol |
| 21:51.36 | keldwud | yeah, it was in the humble comedy bundle |
| 21:51.53 | keldwud | I hadn't realized you already found it |
| 21:53.26 | youtah | harleypig, http://imgur.com/gallery/w01b0si |
| 21:59.58 | keldwud | oh, my daughter gave me a really good laugh the other day |
| 22:00.04 | youtah | http://imgur.com/gallery/wAawavl |
| 22:00.30 | keldwud | we were out eating with some friends at the restaurant and me and my friend were talking about problem kids |
| 22:00.38 | keldwud | and how you can tell which kids have parents who just don't care |
| 22:00.44 | keldwud | because of the way they act |
| 22:01.03 | keldwud | and my 5 year old daughter, she chimes in and says "yeah, like _____. He just wasn't born right" |
| 22:01.37 | keldwud | and hearing that come out of a 5 year old's mouth just was so unexpected and so spot on about that particular problem kid, it just made us laugh |
| 22:01.44 | youtah | lol |
| 22:01.50 | keldwud | because initially we were discussing kids who don't respect boundaries |
| 22:02.08 | keldwud | oh thank *god* my daughter gets to go to a charter school next season |
| 22:02.19 | keldwud | now we don't have to worry as much about kids who have parents who don't care |
| 22:02.45 | keldwud | my daughter has already had her life threatened, her physical safety threatened, been told that chinese people eat babies, been punched in the eye |
| 22:03.08 | keldwud | been harassed to the point where a boy follows her around even after she tells him to stop and invades her privacy |
| 22:03.13 | keldwud | it's a crazy world out there |
| 22:03.32 | fungus | lol, you think a charter school will be better? |
| 22:03.36 | keldwud | yup |
| 22:03.39 | keldwud | I do, actually |
| 22:03.42 | fungus | Not in those regards. |
| 22:03.57 | keldwud | because parent's who don't give a crap don't go out of their way to make conscious decisions about their child's welfare |
| 22:03.57 | fungus | Maybe education wise, but not behavior wise. |
| 22:04.00 | RyanE | smelly boys will remain smelly, and boys. |
| 22:04.07 | keldwud | so I'm already cutting out a good portion of the problem children |
| 22:04.15 | keldwud | problem children = parents who don't care |
| 22:04.26 | RyanE | in theory. In practice, just because parents care and have more money, doesn't mean their kids are socially better adjusted. |
| 22:04.27 | keldwud | I can't see any other cause for problem children |
| 22:04.33 | RyanE | I can. |
| 22:04.35 | fungus | lol, you have a rude awakening coming |
| 22:04.52 | keldwud | doesn't mean I have to accept it |
| 22:04.58 | RyanE | yeah, kind of. |
| 22:05.00 | keldwud | I refuse to accept that kind of behavior as acceptable |
| 22:05.09 | keldwud | I've already taken care of some of my issues |
| 22:05.11 | fungus | in your house, right |
| 22:05.12 | RyanE | are you going to school *with her*? |
| 22:05.18 | keldwud | one kid got kicked out of daycare |
| 22:05.41 | keldwud | because he was creating an encironment where kids didn't want to come |
| 22:05.54 | keldwud | and I already had some other problem kids moved away from my daughter |
| 22:05.58 | keldwud | so that they no longer sit next to her |
| 22:06.42 | keldwud | and if somebody physically harasses my daughter and can't keep their hands off of her, and the parents can't control their children, I'll even go so far as a protection order because I can document and prove that the child is causing duress |
| 22:06.59 | keldwud | I don't give a crap how much people tell me that that's the way it should be |
| 22:07.05 | keldwud | and that there's nothing I can do about it |
| 22:07.09 | keldwud | i refuse to live in taht kind of a world |
| 22:07.19 | keldwud | sorry |
| 22:07.21 | keldwud | defensive again |
| 22:07.28 | RyanE | I'm not saying it's the way it should be. I'm just saying there's a certain level of adolescent harrassment that will happen, no matter what. |
| 22:07.30 | fungus | I didn't say you shouldn't do anything about problems, I'm just disagreeing with your attitude that a charter school will be better |
| 22:07.37 | RyanE | and your getting involved in it doesn't necessarily make it better. |
| 22:07.51 | keldwud | I only get involved after she exhausts her problem solving abilities |
| 22:08.09 | keldwud | she first starts with asking them politely, or by being nice to them, or ignoring them, or changing the subject |
| 22:08.09 | RyanE | i.e. if your child gets the rep that her parent takes care of her problems for her, that's not necessarily good in a social dynamic. |
| 22:08.20 | keldwud | then she tries to tell them her boundaries |
| 22:08.22 | RyanE | but yeah, some kids you'd need to intervene. |
| 22:08.25 | keldwud | and then she asserts herself |
| 22:08.39 | keldwud | and only after she asserts herself and the issue continues for a week |
| 22:08.42 | keldwud | then I intervene |
| 22:09.09 | keldwud | because after that point, the only thing they will listen to is either physical control from my daughter's end, or discipline from an authority figure |
| 22:09.32 | keldwud | I've caught her telling other kids how to treat her |
| 22:09.36 | keldwud | she uses her big girl words |
| 22:09.41 | keldwud | "I don't appreciate it when you x" |
| 22:09.54 | keldwud | and she is super polite about it, too. "will you please stop y?" |
| 22:09.59 | keldwud | and we role play and practice all the time |
| 22:10.07 | keldwud | and I have her switch roles with me |
| 22:10.50 | fungus | dealing with problem kids is a lifelong struggle. |
| 22:10.55 | keldwud | so *not* getting involved at this point would just be neglectful on my part |
| 22:10.55 | fungus | glares two cubes down |
| 22:11.10 | goozbach | wonders... |
| 22:11.25 | keldwud | oh hey, fungus, I wanted to thank you again for helping me realized I could still try and get into the charter school |
| 22:11.29 | keldwud | wasn't that you? |
| 22:11.49 | fungus | don't think so. |
| 22:12.03 | keldwud | oh maybe it was fugue88 or goozbach |
| 22:12.06 | keldwud | I can't remember |
| 22:12.06 | youtah | Happy to see the Senate kill the smoking bill |
| 22:12.07 | Migs | um |
| 22:12.09 | Migs | was me, bro |
| 22:12.14 | keldwud | oh it was Migds |
| 22:12.15 | keldwud | haha |
| 22:12.23 | keldwud | you told me I could maybe hold her back, right? |
| 22:12.32 | Migs | oh |
| 22:12.33 | keldwud | as an option |
| 22:12.44 | Migs | I know we entertained the option. I don't know if it was my idea, though. |
| 22:12.46 | youtah | They also passed the bill to allow medical hemp oil / research |
| 22:12.49 | youtah | http://www.ksl.com/?sid=28935369&nid=148&title=lawmakers-set-aside-minimum-wage-bill-pass-bill-to-allow-medical-hemp-oil-use |
| 22:12.57 | keldwud | well thanks to everyone that was part of the initial discussion :-p |
| 22:13.04 | Migs | youtah: Oh thank goodness!!! |
| 22:13.04 | RyanE | what was the smoking bill? |
| 22:13.06 | keldwud | and everyone else for dealing with my shit |
| 22:13.20 | Migs | neighbor of mine has an epileptic kid, and they were praying for that to pass |
| 22:13.21 | youtah | Moving the age to 21 years minimum |
| 22:13.27 | youtah | RyanE, ^ |
| 22:13.28 | keldwud | minimum wage to allow medical hemp oil use? |
| 22:13.29 | keldwud | wat? |
| 22:13.37 | Migs | lol no |
| 22:13.42 | youtah | lol keldwud ... read the linky |
| 22:13.44 | RyanE | ah |
| 22:13.45 | Migs | rtfa |
| 22:13.46 | keldwud | I am reading the link |
| 22:13.52 | youtah | lol |
| 22:14.02 | keldwud | it says lawmakers set aside minimum wage bill pass bill to allow medical hemp oil use |
| 22:14.04 | youtah | I didn't want to go there Migs ... poor keldwud has been having a rough day |
| 22:14.08 | keldwud | lol |
| 22:14.19 | youtah | you missed the comma between those |
| 22:14.48 | keldwud | ahh I see |
| 22:14.53 | keldwud | it's serialized |
| 22:14.59 | keldwud | I'm reading the article now |
| 22:15.12 | Migs | oh |
| 22:15.14 | keldwud | and you're telling me that it's now against the law for teachers and students to hook up? |
| 22:15.15 | Migs | it hasn't passed yet |
| 22:15.17 | keldwud | tragedy |
| 22:15.18 | Migs | it's still in the Senate |
| 22:15.56 | keldwud | oh man, I should terminate my daughter's mom's parental rights before the jury thing becomes an option |
| 22:16.01 | keldwud | not because I'm worried we would lose |
| 22:16.09 | keldwud | but because that would give her an opportunity to drag things out |
| 22:16.31 | Migs | before now, teachers could legally bang 18 year-old students |
| 22:16.39 | Migs | the bill would illegalize that |
| 22:16.50 | Migs | they could still be fired, but face no criminal charges |
| 22:16.55 | keldwud | think of the children :-p |
| 22:17.01 | Migs | that shall change |
| 22:17.05 | fungus | but they aren't children |
| 22:17.10 | youtah | ^ |
| 22:17.15 | keldwud | fungus: that's why I said it tongue in cheek |
| 22:17.19 | Migs | tough luck |
| 22:17.25 | Migs | no banging your students |
| 22:17.27 | Migs | Period. |
| 22:17.43 | youtah | We can let our kids fight and die for their country, but not bang their teacher..... |
| 22:17.45 | keldwud | I'm from a no fraternization stand point |
| 22:17.52 | Migs | what about professors and their students? |
| 22:17.54 | fungus | That's silly, it should be a fireable offense, but not criminal. |
| 22:17.57 | Migs | does this apply to higher ed? |
| 22:18.08 | keldwud | and there are some situations where it could be the teacher taking advantage of their position of authority |
| 22:18.09 | Migs | can college kids still sleep their way to an A+? |
| 22:18.16 | keldwud | but they should be charged under sexual harassment clause |
| 22:18.34 | fungus | exactly. |
| 22:18.45 | Migs | my neighbor just barely got out of prison a couple months ago for banging his student |
| 22:18.46 | keldwud | and look at it on a case per case basis |
| 22:18.52 | Migs | if he'd just waited, like, 2 more months, she would've been 18 |
| 22:19.10 | keldwud | because shit, it's hard to say no to that 18 year old tang |
| 22:19.12 | keldwud | laughs |
| 22:19.20 | fungus | eww, pedophile |
| 22:19.42 | keldwud | I'd *like* to say that I'd be the better man in a situation like that |
| 22:19.45 | keldwud | but I'm lying to myself |
| 22:19.56 | Migs | oh, nm. I guess she was 16 when they started |
| 22:20.02 | keldwud | if a girl persisted beyond my initial 3 rejections, I couldn't resist |
| 22:20.05 | Migs | finally got caught right before she turned 18 |
| 22:20.52 | Migs | technically it's ephebophile...is what the pedophile would say |
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| 22:22.35 | fungus | http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jItz-uNjoZA |
| 22:24.47 | RyanE | http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KNIZofPB8ZM |
| 22:25.11 | fungus | hehe, nice |
| 22:26.14 | keldwud | fratenization shouldn't be illegal, sexual assault is already illegal |
| 22:26.48 | keldwud | but I can see how they need something to take care of those edge cases for where maybe the teacher had been grooming them for a while before they turned 18 |
| 22:29.52 | Migs | not sure I agree |
| 22:30.10 | Migs | I think getting fired and dealing with public scorn is punishment enough |
| 22:30.41 | Migs | I'm not even sure what kind of work he's looking for now. Basically threw away his whole teaching career |
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| 23:35.55 | cjcothran | pashdown: I kept up my end of the bargain and kept you guys in mind for business needs :) |
| 23:35.59 | cjcothran | oh whoops |
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| 23:36.35 | keldwud | sales agent says he can possibly match CC's offer for us, so I'm gonna make my SR give you guys a chance |
