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| 17:08.19 | youtah | apparently my connection was closed |
| 17:08.29 | youtah | wonder if something is going on with freenode |
| 17:08.33 | youtah | perhaps another ddos? |
| 17:08.41 | davido_ | Oh, you didn't want it closed? |
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| 17:08.55 | fozzmoo | davido_: \o/ |
| 17:08.57 | youtah | Take THAT! http://www.ksl.com/?sid=28828539&nid=148&title=slc-down-15-million-after-changes-to-downtown-parking&fm=home_page&s_cid=queue-4 |
| 17:09.52 | fozzmoo | Poor SLC. |
| 17:10.40 | davido_ | I'll tell you what happened; they made it harder for grandma to drop a coin in the meter. |
| 17:10.46 | youtah | ^ |
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| 17:18.01 | fozzmoo | davido_: Hope it works. |
| 17:18.52 | davido_ | Me too... those were essentially the only two apps I use in Windows. Well, those and possibly TurboTax once a year. |
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| 17:22.30 | youtah | davido_, "...when the convenient solution is download some parking app..." << EXACTLY |
| 17:24.56 | davido_ | Hmm, I wonder if the "parking app" will ever become an ad supported thing. Watch a 15 second video about Axe antiperspirant, park three hours free. |
| 17:25.21 | davido_ | Or more likely, watch an ad about downtown restaurants. |
| 17:26.01 | youtah | ROFL |
| 17:26.34 | youtah | I just use my CC and charge it for $2, which I know they're only getting ~$1 of because of the CC processing fees... |
| 17:26.50 | youtah | Should I be concerned about skimming? |
| 17:27.01 | youtah | Maybe I should get a Visa Giftcard to keep in my car for paking now |
| 17:27.08 | youtah | s/paking/parking/ |
| 17:27.17 | davido_ | prepaid. ...good idea. |
| 17:27.23 | fozzmoo | Knowing SLC, it would be a PSA by Envision Utah and U-CARE about not driving your car. |
| 17:27.36 | fozzmoo | (which would kind of defeat the purpose of the revenue generation.) |
| 17:28.18 | davido_ | Anyway, ad supported parking isn't here yet, but mark my words, it will happen. :) |
| 17:28.55 | davido_ | At least in larger, more compact markets like Manhattan, Portland, San Francisco. |
| 17:29.19 | davido_ | Downtown heber, don't bank on it. |
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| 17:32.06 | Jayce | youtah: I paid at the cc reader stand last time I was up there, wasn't going to do the app.. said it processed but wound up not doing it, and I got ticketed |
| 17:32.20 | goozbach | netsplitsville |
| 17:33.28 | Jayce | just you |
| 17:33.30 | fozzmoo | goozbach: davido_ was just discussing where ad-supported parking meters would work and then you popped in and said "netsplitsville." |
| 17:34.59 | goozbach | hah! |
| 17:41.02 | youtah | marks davido_'s words.... |
| 17:42.51 | davido_ | lol. One should never say "mark my words" in a place where marking them is must a matter of putting a tick in the "log" checkbox. |
| 17:43.15 | youtah | naw, I marked them with um.... uhj..... |
| 17:43.18 | goozbach | that should be an infobot logging plugin feature |
| 17:43.20 | davido_ | lol |
| 17:43.25 | goozbach | infobot: mark davido_'s words |
| 17:43.25 | youtah | a pink sharpie marker |
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| 17:50.35 | Migs | awww man, Harold Ramis died? |
| 17:52.45 | davido_ | wow |
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| 18:02.21 | T4rku5 | he was only 69 |
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| 18:16.07 | programmerq | Tene: it looks like we will indeed be going with istatd. |
| 18:17.29 | programmerq | I got my collectd python plugin written and everything. |
| 18:23.46 | levi | After seeing all the discussion of statsd, etc. going on lately, I randomly happened across this: https://github.com/brendanhay/numbersd |
| 18:25.19 | Tene | programmerq: nice; I hope it works out well for you |
| 18:36.21 | levi | Apparently the author of that is doing a startup that's creating a suite of cloud-based backend services. |
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| 18:47.48 | programmerq | so what's up with mtgox? |
| 19:02.06 | Migs | mtgox is crashing and burning...that's what's up |
| 19:02.57 | goozbach | programmerq: nothing more than an old fashioned bank run |
| 19:09.41 | Jayce | buy on mt, sell on btc-e.. $400 or so profit? |
| 19:10.39 | Migs | except I think all sales on mt gox are still halted |
| 19:10.51 | Jayce | heavy limit on fund transfers |
| 19:10.58 | RyanE | as would happen in a "bank run". |
| 19:11.10 | Migs | I just keep mine on Coinbase |
| 19:11.30 | Migs | which has gone down quite a bit, too |
| 19:11.31 | goozbach | Jayce: the problem comes from step 1 |
| 19:11.44 | goozbach | buying on mtgox is not happy right now |
| 19:11.47 | goozbach | hasn't been for weeks |
| 19:12.06 | Jayce | yeah, I haven't used them in a while |
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| 19:17.43 | cjcothran | is there a batch tool that gives similar functionality to usermod -g foo -G bar? |
| 19:18.03 | cjcothran | I've found newusers allows me to add users according to a list/text file |
| 19:18.15 | cjcothran | but it only allows me to set the primary group. I can't set secondary groups from there |
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| 19:21.13 | fugue88 | cjcothran: gpasswd maybe? |
| 19:21.45 | fugue88 | Maybe I don't understand the batchiness you're going for. |
| 19:21.50 | goozbach | cjcothran: I'd use a for loop with usermod most likley |
| 19:21.56 | goozbach | for i in foo bar baz |
| 19:21.57 | goozbach | do |
| 19:22.06 | programmerq | cjcothran: at that point, I usually use a loop, or perhaps start using some configuration management tool. |
| 19:22.08 | goozbach | <PROTECTED> |
| 19:22.10 | goozbach | done |
| 19:23.01 | fugue88 | Yeah, I totally missed the batchiness requirement. :) |
| 19:23.09 | fugue88 | still likes gpasswd |
| 19:23.17 | cjcothran | ok, just wanted to check before I scripted a loop |
| 19:23.42 | cjcothran | fugue88: batchiness as in, I have 20 users I want to modify groups for with primary and secondary :) |
| 19:24.03 | goozbach | cjcothran: why is there a restriction on config management? |
| 19:26.39 | cjcothran | goozbach: don't ask me, I just got here :-p |
| 19:26.51 | cjcothran | we are getting authorization soon |
| 19:26.55 | cjcothran | I told them I need config management |
| 19:27.04 | cjcothran | if I am to be an effective tool for them |
| 19:27.13 | cjcothran | effective/efficient |
| 19:28.23 | goozbach | +1 |
| 19:28.48 | goozbach | if I were in your shoes I'd prob go all shadow ops with ansible |
| 19:28.59 | goozbach | not installling ansible on the servers but doing all my work with it :) |
| 19:29.03 | goozbach | but don't rock the boat |
| 19:30.05 | cjcothran | haha yeah I was thinking of starting out with something smaller like ansible for sure |
| 19:30.19 | cjcothran | but I still want to learn all the basics before I move onto automation |
| 19:30.38 | cjcothran | I've never managed users on a *nix box 'til last week |
| 19:31.09 | cjcothran | hmm.. I've a question about newusers |
| 19:31.32 | cjcothran | can I put a shadow hash in the x field after the username? |
| 19:31.51 | cjcothran | or do I have to leave it as x, then vipw -s to add them after the users are created? |
| 19:32.22 | goozbach | so I have a couple hours to become a junos/screenos expert anyone have any resources? |
| 19:32.25 | goozbach | juniper HO! |
| 19:32.45 | cjcothran | haha. nice |
| 19:37.41 | cjcothran | ok yeah, that didn't work |
| 19:38.07 | cjcothran | so what was the way to copy shadow hashes from one server to a new server after the same users have been created? |
| 19:38.20 | cjcothran | other than vipw -s copy paste |
| 19:39.18 | cjcothran | so I had really good news this morning |
| 19:39.29 | cjcothran | my daughter won the lottery for Walden Elementary |
| 19:39.43 | cjcothran | I was beside myself with joy and did a happy dance and everything |
| 19:40.07 | cjcothran | we got in to the only Montissori and Liberal Arts school in the area (state?) |
| 19:40.14 | cjcothran | I drove there to sign the acceptance |
| 19:40.24 | cjcothran | and turns out she won a spot in kindergarten |
| 19:40.28 | cjcothran | she's already in kindergarten |
| 19:40.48 | cjcothran | they told me better luck next year, they won't have any openings. K is the only grade that people can get into, usually |
| 19:40.49 | cjcothran | ... |
| 19:40.57 | cjcothran | now I want to spend the rest of the day crying |
| 19:41.08 | cjcothran | and thinking about how my daughters education all relies completely on chance |
| 19:41.10 | cjcothran | and gambling |
| 19:41.28 | cjcothran | and how there is nothing I can do to provide my daughter that calibre of education unless I had millions of dollars |
| 19:41.40 | cjcothran | and I thought that is complete bullshit :( |
| 19:41.52 | cjcothran | that she gets to suffer because of one stupid mistake |
| 19:42.02 | cjcothran | this decision will affect the rest of her life |
| 19:43.38 | fugue88 | Her education is more about your attitude then about what school she attends. |
| 19:44.13 | fugue88 | You may have to work a bit harder to fill the gaps that some school leaves, but don't consider the school to be a limiting factor. |
| 19:44.23 | fugue88 | Things are way more in your control. |
| 19:44.49 | cjcothran | yeah I know |
| 19:44.53 | cjcothran | I'm just being pouty |
| 19:45.02 | fugue88 | I thought so, on both counts. ;) |
| 19:45.12 | cjcothran | I needed to outsource a lot of the liberal arts stuff so that I could focus on work and learning |
| 19:45.18 | cjcothran | so that I can make a little bit more money |
| 19:45.24 | cjcothran | if I had another parent, it would be easier |
| 19:45.46 | cjcothran | so the limiting factor really is how much energy I can put into it and how much attention I can give her |
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| 19:46.00 | cjcothran | which is never enough and nowhere near the amount I wish I could give her |
| 19:46.13 | cjcothran | that's why it was so important to me that she get accepted into Walden |
| 19:46.15 | fugue88 | cjcothran: Do you have that "liberal arts" background yourself? |
| 19:46.22 | cjcothran | I wonder if I can just have her repeat kindergarten |
| 19:46.23 | cjcothran | lol |
| 19:46.26 | cjcothran | fugue88: no |
| 19:46.46 | fugue88 | cjcothran: Repeating K might not be a bad idea. Once sh'es in, perhaps she could skip a grade? |
| 19:46.48 | cjcothran | we go to events every week, though. dances, ballets, symphonies, plays, art museums |
| 19:46.49 | cjcothran | etc |
| 19:46.55 | fugue88 | Excellent. |
| 19:47.29 | goozbach | any juniper experts about? |
| 19:47.30 | fugue88 | Through in reading some classical books. Let her catch you doing it, even if you can't spend much time on it. |
| 19:48.06 | fugue88 | cjcothran: She'll see it's important. You'll be able to talk with her about the big ideas. When she's old enough, she'll start acquiring that on her own. |
| 19:48.09 | fugue88 | Etc. |
| 19:48.20 | cjcothran | oh she's already reading |
| 19:48.24 | cjcothran | at a first grade level |
| 19:48.31 | cjcothran | I read to her several times a day |
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| 19:48.46 | cjcothran | we finished alice in wonderland and are working on wizard of oz now |
| 19:48.57 | fugue88 | Awesome. |
| 19:49.06 | cjcothran | goozbach: try #juniper yet? ;) |
| 19:49.21 | cjcothran | I make sure we go to the public library at least once per week |
| 19:49.35 | cjcothran | and we have a shit ton of art supplies in the house |
| 19:49.56 | cjcothran | but I just don't have enough time or energy to give her all the attention and support she needs to explore those things which I've provided |
| 19:51.01 | jxqz | cjcothran: maybe you should just let your kid pick her nose and not worry about her harvard career |
| 19:51.20 | cjcothran | lol I don't plan on sending her to harvard |
| 19:51.29 | jxqz | exactly |
| 19:51.42 | jxqz | that would be her choice, not yours |
| 19:52.18 | Migs | it's his choice if he refuses to pay her harvard tuition |
| 19:52.46 | jxqz | Migs: if you're accepted to harvard, you don't pay tuition |
| 19:52.47 | cjcothran | public school here is just crap |
| 19:52.47 | RyanE | I think you're going to give yourself a stroke. Just take a chill pill, let her do what she wants with the generous supplies you've provided, and you may find out Liberal Arts isn't her thing, either. |
| 19:52.49 | cjcothran | that's all |
| 19:53.00 | cjcothran | it's not that I want her to be "smarter" or anything like that |
| 19:53.14 | cjcothran | I just want her to have better opportunities than the average american |
| 19:53.20 | cjcothran | we stink at educating our children |
| 19:53.21 | Migs | somehow I don't think that's even remotely true, jxqz |
| 19:53.26 | cjcothran | especially here in utah |
| 19:53.30 | Migs | I educate my children just fine |
| 19:53.36 | cjcothran | unless I read the data incorrectly |
| 19:53.39 | cjcothran | Migs: you know what I mean :-p |
| 19:53.41 | Migs | maybe you just suck at educating kids |
| 19:54.21 | Migs | I just park them in front of the TV and let PBS and Nick Jr teach them everything they need to know |
| 19:54.38 | cjcothran | haha :) |
| 19:54.44 | cjcothran | don't forget the disney channel |
| 19:54.48 | cjcothran | that teaches them all about values |
| 19:54.59 | Migs | Wrong |
| 19:55.03 | RyanE | gah |
| 19:55.07 | Migs | all that's on Disney channel nowadays are those stupid teen sitcoms |
| 19:55.13 | Migs | my kids are OBSESSED with those |
| 19:55.20 | Migs | I can't stand them |
| 19:55.22 | RyanE | which just teach them that inane witticisms are funny. |
| 19:55.26 | cjcothran | I feel for you. I won't let my daughter anywhere near the disney channel |
| 19:55.35 | Migs | and how important it is to have boyfriends and stuff |
| 19:55.43 | cjcothran | yeah, I hate that crap |
| 19:55.44 | Migs | yeah, let's teach our kids that |
| 19:55.50 | Migs | perfect for a 5 year-old |
| 19:55.58 | cjcothran | or that they should wait around for a man to sweep them off their feet |
| 19:56.11 | cjcothran | I almost walked out of Frozen because of that |
| 19:56.14 | cjcothran | I'm glad I gave it a chance |
| 19:56.15 | Migs | oh, also that fathers are goofy bumbling idiots that no one really takes seriously |
| 19:56.15 | cjcothran | :) |
| 19:56.34 | Migs | haha yeah...they had fun overturning that mindset |
| 19:56.55 | Migs | who seriously walks out of a movie because they disagree with something silly like that, though? |
| 19:57.05 | Migs | you need to build up your cultural tolerance |
| 19:58.01 | cjcothran | you do have a point about me needing to build up cultural tolerance |
| 19:58.25 | cjcothran | it was because I thought it was going to teach my daughter that it is okay to trust a boy right off the bat |
| 19:58.36 | cjcothran | and that it was okay to fall in love so quick |
| 19:59.25 | Migs | lol |
| 19:59.43 | Migs | you know, you can still watch the whole movie, and teach her afterward that it was wrong how they portrayed it |
| 19:59.54 | cjcothran | yeah, that's even better actually |
| 19:59.56 | Migs | you can turn anything into a learning opportunity |
| 20:00.00 | cjcothran | I do that with her a lot when we watch shows |
| 20:00.01 | Migs | see, this is why you shouldn't be educating kids |
| 20:00.06 | Migs | kidding |
| 20:00.06 | cjcothran | I ask her "is it okay to act like that?" |
| 20:00.09 | cjcothran | and then "why not?" |
| 20:00.10 | Migs | awesome |
| 20:00.13 | Migs | yeah, I do that too |
| 20:00.15 | cjcothran | we talk during movies |
| 20:00.29 | Migs | do people hush you? |
| 20:00.32 | cjcothran | I monitor her breathing, and if her breathing becomes sporadic and stacatto, I snap her out of it |
| 20:00.49 | cjcothran | because that's when I can tell she has completely forgotten about her surroundings |
| 20:01.02 | Migs | that's...weird that you do that |
| 20:01.13 | cjcothran | and I teach her to be aware of those moments and know that she is becoming less aware of what is around her |
| 20:01.30 | Migs | my kids are completely zoned out whenever they're engaged in something |
| 20:01.34 | cjcothran | because she's 5, it's not the optimal way for them to be learning. passively |
| 20:01.41 | cjcothran | oh I let her zone out when she is interacting with something |
| 20:01.51 | cjcothran | but when it is a screen, there is only one dimension of learning for her |
| 20:01.53 | Migs | I have to hoot and holler and slap my hand on the counter just to get their attention |
| 20:02.01 | cjcothran | when she's closer to 7 or 8, then I'll back off a bit |
| 20:02.12 | Migs | you're overthinking it |
| 20:02.20 | cjcothran | yeah, that's what I mean. I don't think it's healthy for her if she can't hear the outside world when she's absorbed in a movie |
| 20:02.20 | Migs | this is obviously your only kid, isn't it? |
| 20:02.24 | cjcothran | yup |
| 20:02.26 | cjcothran | I want more |
| 20:02.29 | RyanE | Zoning at that age is pretty normal, and not necessarily harmful. |
| 20:02.42 | cjcothran | she zones all the time :) |
| 20:02.43 | RyanE | I wish I could zone at that level. |
| 20:02.52 | Migs | um, it's perfectly normal and not harmful at all. |
| 20:02.53 | cjcothran | she sticks her tongue out when she's concentrating |
| 20:02.54 | RyanE | seriously... too many things breaking me out of the zone. |
| 20:02.58 | RyanE | heh |
| 20:03.00 | RyanE | that's awesome |
| 20:03.04 | Migs | It's actually a desirable state in educational circles, what some also call "flow" |
| 20:03.04 | RyanE | built-in flag. |
| 20:03.16 | Migs | yeah I do the tongue-stick too |
| 20:03.26 | Migs | I have to consciously not do it |
| 20:03.36 | cjcothran | I'm still sad that we didn't really get into Walden :( |
| 20:03.53 | Migs | Walden? |
| 20:03.56 | cjcothran | ooh ooh! |
| 20:04.04 | cjcothran | they said I could re-enroll her in kindergarten if I wanted |
| 20:04.07 | cjcothran | so maybe I can still accept |
| 20:04.11 | Migs | what's Walden? |
| 20:04.34 | fugue88 | https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Walden |
| 20:04.36 | Migs | this? http://www.waldenschool.net/ |
| 20:04.39 | cjcothran | Walden Elementary in provo |
| 20:04.46 | Migs | ty, fugue88 |
| 20:04.46 | fugue88 | Oh, hah! |
| 20:04.54 | Migs | how on earth would I know that? |
| 20:04.56 | fugue88 | Migs: You're so welcome for misleading you. |
| 20:04.59 | Migs | Walden Elementary in Provo |
| 20:05.38 | fugue88 | I totally thought cjcothran was lamenting that his daughter just couldn't "get into" the book. |
| 20:05.44 | RyanE | HA! |
| 20:05.49 | Migs | I thought he meant Walden University |
| 20:05.54 | fugue88 | I'm like... she's just a kid! |
| 20:06.00 | Migs | So was I! |
| 20:06.04 | RyanE | I didn't care what he meant, but I'm a bad person. :) |
| 20:06.12 | Migs | yeah, screw anything cjcothran says |
| 20:06.26 | Migs | we don't need to listen to him |
| 20:06.30 | RyanE | I'm not *that* bad. I only raise to the level of ignorage. |
| 20:08.11 | Migs | Seen on a T-shirt: "I know H.T.M.L - How To Meet Ladies" |
| 20:08.41 | RyanE | That's definitely *not* HTML. |
| 20:09.21 | cjcothran | fugue88: haha |
| 20:09.26 | cjcothran | oooooh |
| 20:09.33 | cjcothran | you guys thought I was talking about a university |
| 20:09.46 | cjcothran | now I understand why jxqz was reacting the way he did |
| 20:10.02 | cjcothran | Walden Elementary is a liberal arts school for K-12 |
| 20:10.06 | RyanE | I actually thought charter school. |
| 20:10.09 | cjcothran | yeah it is |
| 20:10.36 | Migs | I figured it was a charter school after I ruled out the book and the university |
| 20:10.36 | RyanE | but I have heard of people who think their kid won't get into a specific university if they dont' go to the right Kindergarten. |
| 20:10.39 | cjcothran | we won the lottery for an opening in kindergarten |
| 20:10.49 | cjcothran | but she's already in kindergarten |
| 20:10.50 | Migs | what kind of charter school? |
| 20:10.53 | cjcothran | so they told me fat chance |
| 20:10.56 | RyanE | liberal arts. |
| 20:10.59 | cjcothran | this one is a Montissori |
| 20:11.02 | Migs | nice |
| 20:11.05 | cjcothran | so more hands on learning |
| 20:11.07 | Migs | I like the Montessori approach |
| 20:11.08 | cjcothran | and exploring things |
| 20:11.12 | fugue88 | cjcothran: Start your own school. |
| 20:11.17 | fugue88 | :) |
| 20:11.20 | Migs | I co-founded an expeditionary learning charter school. Also hands-on. |
| 20:11.26 | cjcothran | fugue88: that was where my "I need millions of dollars" lamentation came in |
| 20:11.31 | Migs | That's in Ogden, though |
| 20:11.31 | fugue88 | Ah. |
| 20:11.38 | cjcothran | Migs: now you understand why I was so disappointed? :) |
| 20:11.44 | Migs | http://venturelearning.org |
| 20:11.52 | fugue88 | Yeah, Ogden would totally disappoint. |
| 20:11.54 | fugue88 | :P |
| 20:11.55 | Migs | pffft |
| 20:12.03 | Migs | Ogden is retardedly awesome |
| 20:12.09 | fugue88 | hahahaha! |
| 20:12.17 | cjcothran | I'm communicating now with one of the people at Walden, they said we could have a conversation about maybe allowing my daughter to repeat kindergarten |
| 20:12.25 | cjcothran | thank you so much for that idea, fugue88 |
| 20:12.27 | cjcothran | seriously |
| 20:12.34 | cjcothran | it might go somewhere |
| 20:12.36 | fugue88 | Migs: Did it take millions for the one you cofounded? |
| 20:12.50 | Migs | of $$$? |
| 20:12.56 | fugue88 | Yeah. |
| 20:12.58 | Migs | Yeah, wasn't cheap |
| 20:13.04 | Migs | they just built a new high school too |
| 20:13.07 | fugue88 | Was it your own millions? |
| 20:13.21 | Migs | lol, no. There were lots of founding members. I mostly handled the IT side. |
| 20:13.33 | Migs | the state provides funding for charter schools |
| 20:13.48 | fugue88 | cjcothran: Fundraiser time! :) |
| 20:13.57 | cjcothran | that was honestly my first thought when I found out that she couldn't go to first grade there |
| 20:14.13 | Migs | as a founder, though, my kids are guaranteed spots |
| 20:14.13 | cjcothran | I thought, well shit, now I have to come up with millions of dollars just so my daughter can get the same education |
| 20:14.26 | cjcothran | yeah, I was also thinking of tapping into my contacts here at work |
| 20:14.32 | cjcothran | to see if maybe they could get her in |
| 20:14.38 | Migs | with a lottery, it's doubtful |
| 20:14.43 | Migs | there's actually laws governing it |
| 20:15.00 | cjcothran | I might have a contact that gave lots of money or helped found it |
| 20:15.08 | Migs | and it's not like a private school where you can just donate a lot of money and get her in |
| 20:15.27 | Migs | the state runs and oversees charter schools |
| 20:15.40 | Migs | I suppose it never hurts to try, though :) |
| 20:16.09 | Migs | I had to put in 150 hours of volunteer work to be considered a founding member and have that guaranteed spot |
| 20:16.19 | Migs | I'm glad I did, though. It was a rewarding experience. |
| 20:16.20 | cjcothran | that's it? |
| 20:16.23 | cjcothran | 150 hours? |
| 20:16.25 | Migs | yeah |
| 20:16.29 | cjcothran | I would totally give that much time |
| 20:16.39 | Migs | yeah, totally worth it for the school they have |
| 20:16.43 | cjcothran | but once the school has started, you can't really found anymore, right? |
| 20:16.45 | Migs | my kids have done very well at it |
| 20:16.48 | Migs | lol, no you can't |
| 20:16.51 | cjcothran | :( |
| 20:16.53 | Migs | charter schools are going up all the time |
| 20:16.57 | cjcothran | I also thought about moving |
| 20:17.03 | cjcothran | to get her into a charter school |
| 20:17.05 | Migs | find one in your area that's in the planning stages |
| 20:17.16 | cjcothran | I could totally donate sysadmin work, right? |
| 20:17.18 | Migs | I nearly became a founding member of another one closer to me |
| 20:17.20 | cjcothran | that's valuable isn't it? |
| 20:17.25 | Migs | of course it is. |
| 20:17.34 | cjcothran | how do I find out if there are new ones popping up in my area? |
| 20:17.39 | Migs | I basically oversaw all the technology purchasing decisions and everything |
| 20:17.45 | Migs | I dunno. Google it. |
| 20:17.56 | cjcothran | lol ok |
| 20:18.02 | Migs | http://utahpubliceducation.org/2013/09/18/six-new-charter-proposals/#.Uwuo8vldW9Q |
| 20:18.08 | cjcothran | gg takes me to the beginning of a file in vi, what takes me to the end? |
| 20:18.10 | Migs | there's one right there. Veritas Academy |
| 20:18.39 | cjcothran | hmmm |
| 20:18.40 | cjcothran | christian |
| 20:18.47 | Migs | that was just 5 seconds of looking...look harder |
| 20:18.52 | cjcothran | this might be one of those intelligent design type charter schools |
| 20:18.57 | cjcothran | I'm readig it, though |
| 20:19.14 | cjcothran | would be in springville. that's within our area |
| 20:19.19 | cjcothran | as I'm in south provo |
| 20:19.21 | Migs | where'd you see it's a christian school? |
| 20:19.29 | cjcothran | the austin one is christian |
| 20:19.30 | RyanE | 0G |
| 20:19.31 | Migs | here's the charter http://www.schools.utah.gov/charterschools/State-Charter-School-Board/2013-Board-Meetings/September-2013/Proposal---Veritas.aspx |
| 20:19.37 | cjcothran | that's what I'm reading :) |
| 20:20.04 | Migs | Executive Summary: "Contrary to Christopher Columbus discovery in 1492, regarding the spherical appearance of the |
| 20:20.05 | Migs | world, the world is flat
and, its becoming flatter. |
| 20:20.07 | Migs | lolol |
| 20:20.09 | Migs | what an opening |
| 20:20.19 | cjcothran | ummmm |
| 20:20.21 | cjcothran | wait what? |
| 20:20.24 | Migs | lol |
| 20:20.29 | Migs | they're referring to "flat classrooms" |
| 20:20.31 | goozbach | cjcothran: G |
| 20:20.31 | Migs | teacher exchanges |
| 20:20.35 | cjcothran | goozbach: thanks |
| 20:20.46 | cjcothran | G = EOF, got it :) |
| 20:20.48 | Migs | connecting their classrooms with classrooms in Japan and so on |
| 20:20.48 | goozbach | cjcothran: https://github.com/goozbach/Vim-Movement-Table |
| 20:20.57 | Migs | dual immersion, etc. |
| 20:20.57 | cjcothran | Migs: oooh, it's not literal |
| 20:20.59 | cjcothran | phew |
| 20:21.01 | Migs | honestly, I love that sort of thing |
| 20:21.07 | Migs | I wish more schools did it |
| 20:21.13 | cjcothran | there are a bunch down here |
| 20:21.18 | cjcothran | we have mandarin, spanish, and something else |
| 20:21.19 | RyanE | cjcothran: They *do* still have to teach a certain set of curriculum, including the round earth. :) |
| 20:21.25 | cjcothran | forget what the third one is in alpine school district |
| 20:21.39 | Migs | anyway, worth looking into. |
| 20:21.48 | cjcothran | RyanE: oh good. so it's only at private schools where they can teach that the earth is only 6000 years old? |
| 20:21.50 | Migs | Montessori schools often have long waiting lists, which is sad |
| 20:21.56 | cjcothran | I know :( |
| 20:22.07 | RyanE | yep |
| 20:22.26 | Migs | there's perfectly good ones that don't, though. I also work for a charter school that's technology-oriented. It doesn't specifically focus on a particular pedagogy, but uses technology to leverage and focus student learning. |
| 20:22.38 | Migs | and the waiting list for that one is usually small, even though it's a pretty good school |
| 20:22.46 | Migs | probably because it's built clear out in the boonies |
| 20:22.53 | Migs | West Haven, Utah |
| 20:23.17 | cjcothran | where the hell is west haven? |
| 20:23.19 | cjcothran | googles |
| 20:23.30 | cjcothran | oh, idaho |
| 20:23.30 | Migs | I'd be amazed if anyone's heard of it |
| 20:23.32 | cjcothran | :) |
| 20:23.33 | Migs | no |
| 20:23.38 | Migs | west of Ogden |
| 20:23.40 | cjcothran | I call anything north of ogden idaho |
| 20:23.53 | Migs | it's not north of Ogden, it's west |
| 20:23.54 | cjcothran | weber county = idaho. it's just a joke I have with myself |
| 20:23.56 | cjcothran | :-p |
| 20:24.07 | Migs | I knew there was a reason I didn't like Provoites |
| 20:24.13 | cjcothran | haha |
| 20:24.23 | cjcothran | I'm that reason ;) |
| 20:25.12 | rsimpkin1 | C. Columbus did not discover a round Earth. The Earth had already been discovered to be round. :( |
| 20:25.37 | RyanE | so the website was wrong!!!! Quick, alert the authorities! Someone on the Internet is Wrong! :) |
| 20:25.47 | rsimpkin1 | I know. That should never happen. |
| 20:26.09 | rsimpkin1 | What's wrong with people any way. They have access to the largest source of information ever devised... and they don't seem to ever use it. |
| 20:26.29 | RyanE | most people also have access to a brain. |
| 20:27.12 | rsimpkin1 | RyanE: What good is that if they don't know how to use it? |
| 20:27.28 | RyanE | exactly |
| 20:27.41 | cjcothran | hey Migs, how did you get into a position to volunteer for the charter school anyway? |
| 20:29.07 | rsimpkin1 | <rant>I have 4 kids in homeschool, 3 in public. Our public school kids continue to fall behind our kids at home. They aren't being taught critical thinking skills at all. The knowledge they have is rarley challenged. And the 'social interaction' they have seems to be effecting them in negative, not positive, ways.</rant> |
| 20:29.40 | cjcothran | ^ |
| 20:29.56 | cjcothran | my daughter is already experiencing those negative social interactions at both daycare and kindergarten |
| 20:30.04 | rsimpkin1 | Fortunatley my wife teaches them English and grammer. I certainly am a product of public education in this regard. |
| 20:30.04 | cjcothran | she's already been punched in the face |
| 20:30.14 | cjcothran | she's already been told that she would have her arms broken |
| 20:30.17 | cjcothran | and that she would be killed |
| 20:30.23 | cjcothran | and that chinese people eat babies |
| 20:30.26 | cjcothran | it's ridiculous |
| 20:30.28 | rsimpkin1 | cjcothran: Don't worry. It's good for them. So I have been told. :) |
| 20:30.38 | cjcothran | I don't want her around kids who have parents who don't parent |
| 20:30.42 | cjcothran | it's dangerous |
| 20:30.48 | Migs | cjcothran: I heard about it from my cousin, whose sister was on the board of the new school. I'm already in the education business. Thought it'd be fun to work on the tech committee with my cousin, and it was. |
| 20:30.58 | cjcothran | and her problem solving abilities don't work with kids like that |
| 20:31.09 | Migs | also figured it'd look awesome on my resume |
| 20:31.10 | cjcothran | she has asked them to stop, to leave her alone, that she doesn't want anythign to do with them |
| 20:31.14 | cjcothran | and they don't respect that at all |
| 20:31.20 | Migs | plus I liked the idea of having my kids attend a charter school that I helped build |
| 20:31.26 | fozzmoo | rsimpkin1: Affecting, not effecting. ;-) |
| 20:31.36 | cjcothran | and *grammar |
| 20:31.37 | cjcothran | ;) |
| 20:31.49 | cjcothran | apparently your wife only teaches the children and not you, rsimpkin1 :) |
| 20:31.50 | rsimpkin1 | fozzmoo: I know, I realized I made the mistake after I submitted it, which is why I pointed out my wife handles that part of it. I suck. |
| 20:31.53 | Migs | cjcothran: If you find a new charter school that might be worth volunteering for, just send them an email and say you want to help. Ask specifically about becoming a "founding member." |
| 20:32.01 | Migs | They might have only so many slots, actually |
| 20:32.09 | cjcothran | Migs, thanks for the tips |
| 20:32.31 | cjcothran | and you too, fugue88. I'll let you know how the conversation goes and if we decide to have my daughter repeat Kindergarten or not |
| 20:32.43 | rsimpkin1 | fozzmoo: Did I mention I failed all my English courses in high school - and I still graduated? :) |
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| 20:33.09 | Migs | then one of my friends here at the school district I work at left, and went to this other charter school, and recruited me to work for them on the side |
| 20:33.10 | Migs | so I do that, too |
| 20:33.11 | cjcothran | "Currently, the Provo and Nebo School Districts have not made a significant commitment to |
| 20:33.12 | cjcothran | engage in dual-immersion programs" |
| 20:33.14 | fozzmoo | rsimpkins: no, but that all ties in now. |
| 20:33.14 | cjcothran | that's the truth |
| 20:33.18 | Migs | plus there's a couple educational non-profits I work for. |
| 20:33.20 | cjcothran | alpine has definitely got on board |
| 20:33.26 | cjcothran | hell, I was dual immersion |
| 20:33.32 | cjcothran | and that was back in the 80's |
| 20:33.36 | Migs | I also helped launch a new online university |
| 20:33.57 | Migs | back in the 80s, my schools' idea fo dual immersion was to have some French teacher come in once a month and teach us some words |
| 20:34.01 | Migs | it was lame |
| 20:34.44 | cjcothran | mine was actual dual immersion |
| 20:34.53 | Migs | that's pretty cool |
| 20:34.56 | Migs | that was largely unheard of back in the 80s |
| 20:34.58 | cjcothran | we didn't speak english in the classroom except when we were learning english :) |
| 20:35.04 | cjcothran | my first grade teacher was from Peru |
| 20:35.15 | Migs | was the dual immersion intentional? |
| 20:35.18 | cjcothran | yeah it was |
| 20:35.23 | Migs | or was it just because she was Peruvian? :D |
| 20:35.26 | cjcothran | it was either that or skip me ahead a grade |
| 20:35.37 | cjcothran | was dual immersion until the end of 4th grade |
| 20:38.14 | rsimpkins | If you know the difference between a participle and a pronoun, please pat yourself on the back. I don't have a clue. :( |
| 20:38.43 | cjcothran | you |
| 20:38.44 | cjcothran | the |
| 20:39.04 | cjcothran | I *think* the is a participle |
| 20:39.10 | cjcothran | pronouns just talk about people |
| 20:39.32 | programmerq | 'the' is an article |
| 20:39.52 | rsimpkins | I'm sure I was taught these things in high school, but I most certainly didn't learn it. |
| 20:40.52 | programmerq | My understanding of grammer was grounded when I learned Spanish in the MTC. |
| 20:41.08 | programmerq | seeing the same principles for another language gave a different perspective |
| 20:41.11 | programmerq | I don't remember everything |
| 20:41.12 | rsimpkins | Oh bummer. Egon died. :( |
| 20:41.20 | rsimpkins | http://www.nydailynews.com/entertainment/tv-movies/critics-personal-appreciation-late-great-ramis-article-1.1700115 |
| 20:41.26 | RyanE | rsimpkins: yep. :( |
| 20:41.26 | programmerq | but I know a lot more after that than I did right after high school. |
| 20:41.45 | Migs | thanks, rsimpkins, I had finally moved on. Now the wound is fresh again. |
| 20:42.08 | rsimpkins | Migs: We should cross the streams in his honor. |
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| 20:44.46 | cjcothran | omgwat? |
| 20:44.58 | cjcothran | dieded :( |
| 20:45.45 | Jayce | sadly he died the same timje this was announced: http://blog.lego.cuusoo.com/2014/02/16/lego-ghostbusters-revealed-toyfair/ |
| 20:45.49 | cjcothran | ok, if I'm doing a for i in $(cat file) instead of for i in foo bar baz, I would do $i, not ${i} right? |
| 20:45.59 | cjcothran | Jayce: OMG LEGO KILLED EGON! |
| 20:46.05 | cjcothran | ;) |
| 20:46.30 | cjcothran | or would I still do ${i}? when looping through a cat'ed file? |
| 20:51.12 | cjcothran | ok, I just do $i |
| 20:51.16 | cjcothran | that worked for me |
| 20:53.04 | fugue88 | $i versus ${i} is more about the name of the variable, and whether $i would be ambiguous. |
| 20:53.25 | cjcothran | can you explain more? |
| 20:53.27 | fugue88 | I can't remember the cases where they differ. Prefer to use ${i} in scripts. |
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| 20:53.42 | fugue88 | underscores don't matter, I think. |
| 20:53.45 | fugue88 | Perhaps digits? |
| 20:53.47 | cjcothran | so they are interchangeable kind of like backticks and $(foo) ? |
| 20:54.15 | cjcothran | but ${foo} has better 'built-in' 'error checking'? |
| 20:54.27 | cjcothran | i.e. it covers more cases |
| 20:54.28 | fugue88 | Better built-in parsing rules. |
| 20:54.36 | cjcothran | yeah that's what I mean :) |
| 20:55.43 | goozbach | cjcothran: use ${} format for exactness |
| 20:55.52 | goozbach | it will save you headaches in the edge cases |
| 20:55.54 | cjcothran | whoops, forgot my -y switch when installing a bunch of packages |
| 20:56.05 | cjcothran | and yum defaults to N, so I can't just press enter |
| 20:56.07 | goozbach | foo=hello |
| 20:56.07 | cjcothran | I'm so lazy :) |
| 20:56.14 | goozbach | echo $fooderek |
| 20:56.19 | goozbach | echo ${foo}derek |
| 20:56.24 | goozbach | see the difference? |
| 20:56.31 | cjcothran | goozbach: oooh yeah |
| 20:56.41 | cjcothran | fooderek would be whatever is stored in fooderek |
| 20:57.11 | cjcothran | the second example would print whatever was in foo combined with the suffix derek |
| 20:57.12 | cjcothran | right? |
| 20:57.26 | cjcothran | so 1derek, 2derek, 3derek, etc |
| 20:57.52 | fugue88 | Ah, great example goozbach. |
| 20:58.21 | goozbach | yup |
| 20:58.30 | goozbach | that's why you always use ${} |
| 20:58.32 | cjcothran | so if I'm in the habit of using ${foo} all the time, I can't go as wrong as if I use $foo |
| 20:58.42 | fugue88 | Right. |
| 20:58.46 | goozbach | that leads into the fun stuff with ${} |
| 20:58.48 | cjcothran | awesome, thanks for the best practice guys :) |
| 20:58.52 | fugue88 | ${...} has lots of goodies. |
| 20:58.52 | goozbach | foo=/some/dir/somewhere |
| 20:59.02 | goozbach | echo ${foo##*/} |
| 20:59.17 | cjcothran | I don't know what the pound symbol does there |
| 20:59.17 | goozbach | or it might be ${foo##/*} I can never remember |
| 20:59.24 | goozbach | try it |
| 20:59.36 | fugue88 | cjcothran: The bash info pages (*not* the man page) are a great place to learn these things. |
| 20:59.36 | cjcothran | well I need something stored in foo doon't I? |
| 20:59.53 | goozbach | foo=/some/dir/somewhere |
| 21:00.31 | goozbach | [2014-02-24:16:00:12 dcarter@hoth ~] |
| 21:00.32 | goozbach | $ foo=/some/dir/somewhere |
| 21:00.34 | goozbach | [2014-02-24:16:00:16 dcarter@hoth ~] |
| 21:00.36 | goozbach | $ echo ${foo##*/} |
| 21:00.38 | goozbach | somewhere |
| 21:00.40 | goozbach | [2014-02-24:16:00:22 dcarter@hoth ~] |
| 21:00.42 | goozbach | $ echo ${foo} |
| 21:00.44 | goozbach | /some/dir/somewhere |
| 21:01.03 | goozbach | booyah, `basename` in pure bash variable expansion |
| 21:01.12 | goozbach | lots of goodies there |
| 21:01.15 | goozbach | but that's just a taste |
| 21:01.33 | goozbach | that's why you should get into the habit of using ${} |
| 21:01.39 | fozzmoo | agrees |
| 21:01.43 | goozbach | and for good measure quoting your variables |
| 21:01.43 | fozzmoo | You can do that in Perl too. |
| 21:01.51 | cjcothran | I still don't understand why my environment uses username/password instead of keys |
| 21:01.57 | goozbach | echo "${foo}" |
| 21:02.10 | goozbach | and use |
| 21:02.12 | goozbach | if [[ |
| 21:02.14 | goozbach | instead of [ |
| 21:02.17 | goozbach | and... |
| 21:02.24 | goozbach | … |
| 21:02.32 | Jayce | goozbach: you should teach a class or something... |
| 21:02.38 | Migs | In a statement, Mr Museveni had said: "I... encourage the US government to help us by working with our scientists to study whether, indeed, there are people who are born homosexual. "When that is proved, we can review this legislation." |
| 21:02.40 | goozbach | that'd be awesome! |
| 21:02.41 | Migs | hahahahahaha |
| 21:02.42 | Migs | http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-africa-26320102 |
| 21:02.44 | fozzmoo | goozbach: Are you comign to OpenWest to teach this stuff? |
| 21:03.03 | fozzmoo | hopes goozbach's new employer sends him |
| 21:03.07 | goozbach | fozzmoo: unfortuately I'm in birminham that week teaching a telephony class |
| 21:03.09 | goozbach | :( |
| 21:03.15 | fozzmoo | Boooo! |
| 21:03.21 | goozbach | boo! is right! |
| 21:03.58 | Jayce | goozbach: http://media.tumblr.com/tumblr_ls7u7x70ph1qa54sa.gif |
| 21:04.00 | jsmith | goozbach: Birmingham?!? Eww.... |
| 21:05.28 | cjcothran | birmingham jam - Phil Ochs |
| 21:05.32 | cjcothran | check it out |
| 21:06.06 | goozbach | I am however trying to get my new employer to send me to oscon |
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| 21:06.16 | goozbach | I'm going to SELF for sure |
| 21:06.20 | cjcothran | hmm. what would be the best way for me to feed grep a list and make each line an OR in the search? |
| 21:06.21 | goozbach | on my own dime if I have to |
| 21:06.44 | cjcothran | i.e. file has list of usernames on each line |
| 21:06.46 | goozbach | jsmith: I was mistaken, it's in huntsville |
| 21:06.49 | goozbach | so not that bad |
| 21:06.53 | cjcothran | and I want to grep /etc/shadow for each username |
| 21:06.56 | jsmith | goozbach: Oh, whew... |
| 21:07.09 | cjcothran | I can do grep 'username1\|username2\|etc' |
| 21:07.21 | goozbach | jsmith: suggestions on food? |
| 21:07.29 | jsmith | goozbach: Lots :-) |
| 21:07.33 | cjcothran | would this be a time to use xargs? |
| 21:07.39 | cjcothran | or maybe not |
| 21:07.58 | cjcothran | I want to grep $information from file |
| 21:08.09 | cjcothran | where the information from the file is my search term |
| 21:08.17 | jsmith | goozbach: Tim's Cajun Kitchen is *always* a hit |
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| 21:37.18 | youtah | http://www.ksl.com/?sid=28831609&nid=148&title=utah-to-get-9-more-popeyes-restaurants&fm=home_page&s_cid=queue-6 |
| 21:41.44 | cjcothran | I read that title as "Utah to become more obese" |
| 21:41.57 | cjcothran | is that how anyone else parsed it? or is it just me? |
| 21:45.22 | unum | is popeye's worse than kfc(which was founded here) |
| 21:46.40 | Migs | kfc is excellent, and so is popeye's |
| 21:49.07 | joshh | if you are going to be having a fast food meal, then popeyes is better than kfc |
| 21:49.35 | joshh | especially with the spicy chicken |
| 21:49.50 | cjcothran | they also have beans and rice |
| 21:49.55 | cjcothran | and greenbeans |
| 21:50.03 | cjcothran | although neither are by any means healthy |
| 21:50.44 | joshh | kfc does have the doubledown though |
| 21:50.51 | joshh | if your heart can handle it |
| 21:51.26 | cjcothran | omg, now I'm craving fast food |
| 21:51.33 | cjcothran | I'm going to ignore the craving |
| 21:52.12 | fozzmoo | I'm excited that one of those is going to be in Herriman. |
| 21:52.20 | ldav15_ | I would suspect that both Popeye's and KFC chicken is both pumped full of steroids. Does that help cjcothran? |
| 21:52.46 | fugue88 | And washed in ammonia. Mmmmm, yummy. |
| 21:53.05 | fozzmoo | Stop ruining it for me. |
| 21:54.58 | joshh | breast shaped pink slime |
| 21:55.29 | joshh | shaped, given a salt and chemical injection, breaded, and trucked to the place |
| 21:57.37 | cjcothran | heh |
| 21:57.58 | cjcothran | ldav15_: I can't think of any chicken source that isn't pumped full of steroids |
| 21:58.08 | cjcothran | okay, I think I'm doing this wrong |
| 21:58.14 | cjcothran | sed -i s/'ScriptAlias /cgi-bin/ "/FOO/www/cgi-bin/"'/'ScriptAlias /cgi-bin/ "/BAR/www/cgi-bin/"'/g /etc/httpd/conf/httpd.conf |
| 21:58.30 | cjcothran | there's gotta be a shorter way to phrase that |
| 21:58.32 | cjcothran | I just don't know how |
| 21:58.54 | cjcothran | I only want to change the word FOO to the word BAR but I want to make sure it only happens on the line that starts with ScriptAlias |
| 22:03.27 | fugue88 | cjcothran: Come to my place. I've got extra chickens, no steriods. You can have one. |
| 22:03.37 | fugue88 | s/steriods/steroids/ |
| 22:03.52 | cjcothran | can my daughter play with the chickens and hunt for eggs? |
| 22:03.53 | cjcothran | she loves that |
| 22:03.58 | fugue88 | Sure. |
| 22:05.05 | youtah | slaps harleypig for Jayce |
| 22:09.14 | cjcothran | is there such a thing as shadowbans on freenode? |
| 22:10.50 | goozbach | cjcothran: it may appear that way with the abudance of netsplits recently |
| 22:11.19 | cjcothran | do we know anybody in the atlanta area? I'm going to go out there for a week for work |
| 22:11.26 | cjcothran | wouldn't mind socializing some while out there |
| 22:11.30 | goozbach | cjcothran: I do! |
| 22:11.34 | cjcothran | lolwat? |
| 22:11.34 | goozbach | pick me! |
| 22:11.37 | cjcothran | noway |
| 22:11.44 | cjcothran | I thought you were up in davis county |
| 22:11.51 | goozbach | nah, I'm in athens ga |
| 22:11.55 | cjcothran | oh awesome |
| 22:11.57 | goozbach | wherebouts in GA you gonna be? |
| 22:12.08 | goozbach | maybe we can go to dinner |
| 22:12.10 | cjcothran | well let's plan on some beers around the week of the 22nd |
| 22:12.12 | cjcothran | yeah I'm down |
| 22:12.19 | cjcothran | I'll find out, maybe it is athens |
| 22:12.21 | cjcothran | not sure |
| 22:12.32 | cjcothran | they said atlanta and then some other city that started with an A |
| 22:12.41 | goozbach | there's a bunch |
| 22:12.43 | goozbach | agusta |
| 22:13.09 | cjcothran | could I bribe you into giving me a couple of 4 hour knowledge exchanges? |
| 22:13.24 | cjcothran | I'd love to have an opportunity to sit down with you and have you teach me a couple things |
| 22:14.26 | goozbach | we could maybe do that |
| 22:14.30 | goozbach | depends on the day |
| 22:14.32 | youtah | mumbles " harleypig had better be studying for his HAM radio license.... " |
| 22:14.36 | cjcothran | what does it take to whet your whistle? |
| 22:14.52 | cjcothran | youtah: I keep missing all the classes because I can't find anybody that wants to babysit at 7am :( |
| 22:15.05 | harleypig | I'm studying for my network fundamentals certification |
| 22:15.19 | cjcothran | network fundametnals > HAM license |
| 22:16.03 | goozbach | grrr |
| 22:16.10 | harleypig | feh ... not for wgu :P |
| 22:16.22 | goozbach | "this juniper needs to be configured and setup by tomorrow morning to ship out" |
| 22:16.34 | goozbach | oh and the guy who's supposed to be helping hasn't been in all day |
| 22:16.36 | goozbach | doh |
| 22:17.02 | joshh | goozbach: what is it? |
| 22:17.20 | cjcothran | I know how to configure nortels, but not junipers |
| 22:17.26 | Jayce | bugs harleypig about his book... |
| 22:17.27 | goozbach | joshh: J2320 |
| 22:17.40 | goozbach | needing to have it into "firewall" mode yesterday |
| 22:17.43 | joshh | ah, super old |
| 22:17.53 | joshh | what do you need to do? |
| 22:17.57 | goozbach | it's a referb |
| 22:18.04 | goozbach | furb |
| 22:21.31 | cjcothran | hmm, yeah, I'm doing it wrong. I have a search string that contains double quotes and forward slashes, that means I have to enclose it in single quotes and escape out my special characters, right? |
| 22:21.50 | cjcothran | double quotes doesn't require escaping, single quotes does? |
| 22:22.08 | levi | Ah, the joys of string escaping. |
| 22:22.14 | cjcothran | but double quotes can't contain double quotes, has to be single quotes contain double or vice versa |
| 22:22.15 | klys | double quotes you should for sure escape internal double quotes |
| 22:23.00 | cjcothran | gah, like I said, there has to be a better way to phrase s/'ScriptAlias /cgi-bin/ "/FOO/www/cgi-bin/"'/'ScriptAlias /cgi-bin/ "/BAR/www/cgi-bin/"'/g |
| 22:23.55 | cjcothran | so it would be s/'ScriptAlias \/cgi\-bin\/ "\/FOO\/www\/cgi\-bin\/"' |
| 22:24.03 | cjcothran | then my seperator / |
| 22:24.13 | cjcothran | then the new term with the same escape pattern, right? |
| 22:24.19 | cjcothran | do I need to escape out the hyphen? |
| 22:24.41 | klys | this seems unlikely |
| 22:25.02 | cjcothran | or is there a better way to find line starts with x, then replace next instance of FOO |
| 22:25.18 | cjcothran | also, sorry about my attitude the other day, klys. Didn't mean to get so defensive there. |
| 22:25.51 | klys | not sure I was takling about ScriptAlias mebby you had a different nick |
| 22:26.04 | klys | it's okay though |
| 22:27.53 | cjcothran | hmm, oh I know |
| 22:28.05 | cjcothran | at this point it would be easier to just copy the file to my repository |
| 22:28.08 | cjcothran | then make the changes |
| 22:28.17 | cjcothran | then roll out the file onto the new machines |
| 22:28.19 | cjcothran | right? |
| 22:28.35 | klys | yeah if you're getting the results you want from sed |
| 22:33.42 | cjcothran | here we go, this is a better explanation: find the line that contains FOO, then within that line, replace BAR with BAZ |
| 22:35.45 | Tene | sed /FOO/s/BAR/BAZ/ |
| 22:36.30 | Tene | (I haven't read scrollback) |
| 22:37.27 | cjcothran | 's/(.*FOO.*)BAR(.*)/\1SOMETHINGELSE\2/' |
| 22:37.37 | cjcothran | Tene: interesting |
| 22:37.49 | cjcothran | there's a lot I don't understand about regex or sed yet |
| 22:39.22 | cjcothran | hmm, that kind of search doesn't work |
| 22:39.27 | programmerq | cjcothran: Tene's example works only if FOO is guaranteed to appear before BAR in any given line. |
| 22:39.43 | cjcothran | ahh good to know |
| 22:39.45 | programmerq | which il possibly a safe assumption. |
| 22:39.48 | cjcothran | in this case, FOO is unique |
| 22:39.56 | Tene | programmerq: No it doesn't. |
| 22:39.57 | cjcothran | and only appears once in the file |
| 22:40.08 | Tene | $ echo bar foo | sed /foo/s/bar/baz/ |
| 22:40.09 | Tene | baz foo |
| 22:40.31 | programmerq | oh, nevermind, I read the sed examples differently |
| 22:40.37 | programmerq | tene is right |
| 22:41.01 | programmerq | 's/(.*FOO.*)BAR(.*)/\1SOMETHINGELSE\2/' <-- this is the one taht only works if FOO is before BAR |
| 22:41.31 | Tene | you could rewrite that one with lookaheads if you really wanted. |
| 22:42.38 | Tene | If you've got your start and end on different lines, you can do /start/,/end/s/foo/bar/ |
| 22:42.58 | Tene | note that it will still do the substitution on the lines matching /start/ and /end/ |
| 22:43.23 | Tene | also, you should be aware of sed -r, which enables extended regular expressions |
| 22:44.30 | cjcothran | <PROTECTED> |
| 22:44.37 | Tene | so you don't have to escape your parens so much, mostly. |
| 22:45.06 | cjcothran | thank you Tene, that's been helpful |
| 22:45.42 | Tene | cjcothran: any time |
| 22:45.52 | Tene | don't trust programmerq's lies; listen only to me |
| 22:47.44 | cjcothran | haha |
| 22:57.25 | fozzmoo | Heh. |
| 22:57.41 | fozzmoo | I read Tene's statement as "so you don't have to escape your parents so much, mostly." |
| 22:59.25 | Tene | I've got a young friend I'm currently advising on escaping his controlling, abusive parents. They're currently holding his bank card hostage because he didn't get them off his account when he moved out. |
| 22:59.56 | youtah | ~throw nachos |
| 22:59.56 | infobot | ACTION winds up and throws nachos over the moon. |
| 23:00.34 | fozzmoo | Tene: I'm sorry. |
| 23:01.02 | Tene | At least he's gotten out, and is moving on. |
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| 23:13.25 | cjcothran | goozbach: ahh, I'm going to auburn alabama looks like |
| 23:13.40 | cjcothran | but I'm going to plan on staying overnight in atlanta friday night and maybe saturday |
| 23:13.49 | cjcothran | you're what, about 45 minutes away from atlanta? |
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