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| 00:08.46 | jxqz | rsimpkins: yes, yes |
| 00:16.30 | Tene | rsimpkins: Sounds like your co-workers are quite disrespectful, by my standards. I'd be quite upset if someone tried to do that with me. |
| 00:17.16 | Tene | "I'm sorry, I thought you asked me here to talk about bug #12345 with the database backups, didn't you?" |
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| 00:24.25 | jxqz | Tene: better get on that bug |
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| 00:48.03 | shalkie | youtah: I wish they had included a proper field dressing segment when I did mine. |
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| 01:47.55 | skinkitten | Hi Utah \o\ |
| 01:48.57 | klys | ~quote mu |
| 01:49.14 | klys | yay up for like a week straight |
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| 02:58.24 | berbere | hello. |
| 02:58.30 | klys | hil |
| 02:58.38 | berbere | how do you do? |
| 02:58.58 | klys | I am pretty well |
| 03:00.46 | RyanE | ~quote ctrl |
| 03:01.01 | RyanE | hmmm... No NASDAQ love? |
| 03:01.09 | berbere | Can anyone answer some questions about mormonism? |
| 03:01.19 | klys | try /join ##lds |
| 03:01.37 | berbere | Thanks! |
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| 04:14.56 | harleypig | I need to find out what the current value of ip_list_tot is (it's a module option for ipt_recent). |
| 04:15.34 | harleypig | I've looked in /proc/net/ipt_recent but that only has local_ips and blacklist |
| 04:16.07 | harleypig | I know what the default is, but I need to know what the system currently thinks it is. |
| 04:17.34 | harleypig | Nm. I knew if I asked I'd find it. |
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| 05:22.43 | davido_ | harleypig: Thank the teddy bear. |
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| 05:40.36 | harleypig | davido_: what teddy bear? |
| 05:42.50 | davido_ | I guess it's better known as "Rubber Duck Debugging" (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rubber_duck_debugging )... but I've always heard it as "Teddy Bear Programming". The theory is that by explaining your problem to the teddy bear, your solution will become evident. |
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| 16:21.12 | cjcothran | I can't decide between a hardcopy of Linux Firewalls from No Starch for $44, or a kindle edition for half that... I read all of my books on kindle, but my reference books are generally hard copies. |
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| 16:28.16 | jima | is the future kindling worth the $22? ;-) |
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| 16:34.14 | cjcothran | well, as a reference book, hard copy still beats out my kindle |
| 16:34.30 | cjcothran | because I haven't learned how to use a kindle to flip through pages efficiently |
| 16:34.43 | cjcothran | although I could still use the table of contents if it is linked properly |
| 16:35.01 | cjcothran | but still doesn't feel as speedy or efficient, especially on a tiny screen |
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| 16:46.06 | bmurdock | hard to stick a post-it on a page you want to find quickly when it's an e-book |
| 16:47.41 | RyanE | it's called "a bookmark", and they do exist in e-books. |
| 16:54.42 | cjcothran | RyanE++ |
| 17:00.44 | jxqz | haha |
| 17:01.07 | cjcothran | got it approved for reimbursement from $company |
| 17:04.19 | bmurdock | I can also write notes right on the pages of a non e-book |
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| 17:04.31 | bmurdock | or on the post-it |
| 17:04.38 | RyanE | Yes, and you can add notes to e-books, as well. |
| 17:04.54 | bmurdock | true, but it's so much more awkward |
| 17:05.10 | RyanE | eh, unless it's a lab notebook, how many notes do you really write in books? |
| 17:05.25 | bmurdock | well, depends if I find mistakes in it or not |
| 17:05.27 | cjcothran | yeah, the annotations using a kindle keyboard isn't as ingrained in me as writing notes on stickies |
| 17:05.47 | RyanE | everyone's different, and you also can't take 10 books easily with you to a different lab / room. |
| 17:06.05 | cjcothran | mostly because the keyboard on the kindle (the one with the keyboard) uses thumbs more than the ten key position |
| 17:06.13 | bmurdock | how often do you need 10 different reference books? |
| 17:06.15 | cjcothran | but yeah, I generally prefer kindle books |
| 17:06.17 | RyanE | I'd rather have *all* my books with me, than the convenience of writing in the single book I happen to carry. |
| 17:06.21 | cjcothran | over hard copies |
| 17:06.40 | cjcothran | the only place where I get hard copies over e-books is reference books and even then I'm working on making the switch |
| 17:06.42 | RyanE | I don't typically use *any* reference books, and don't program on a tablet... |
| 17:06.52 | bmurdock | I love e-books for most stuff, don't get me wrong, but for technical stuff a paper book wins |
| 17:07.00 | bmurdock | or just googling |
| 17:07.21 | bmurdock | but if googling doesn't cut it then a good paper book I can dog ear and mark up wins |
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| 17:07.55 | RyanE | my point is only that "personal preference" != "the right way" |
| 17:08.11 | bmurdock | of course, everything has trade-offs |
| 17:08.14 | RyanE | not that there's anything wrong with having a personal preference to physical books. |
| 17:08.30 | RyanE | ebooks will never smell as good as a new book. |
| 17:08.31 | bmurdock | I think we covered the various trade-offs pretty well |
| 17:09.38 | cjcothran | dude, I love the smell of my ebooks |
| 17:09.40 | cjcothran | mmmm.. ozone |
| 17:09.44 | cjcothran | :-p |
| 17:09.55 | RyanE | and fresh plastic |
| 17:11.24 | youtah | http://i.imgur.com/3MCMAId.png?1 |
| 17:18.53 | Migs | awesome, we just ordered a quadcopter for our office |
| 17:18.56 | Migs | http://sellout.woot.com/ |
| 17:19.31 | RyanE | nice |
| 17:19.45 | RyanE | I'm pretty sure that'll make you more productive. |
| 17:19.58 | RyanE | your boss can now fly around and see who is working without leaving their desk. |
| 17:19.58 | youtah | rsimpkins, see Migs link ^^^ |
| 17:20.04 | RyanE | heh |
| 17:22.11 | Migs | should be here next week...this'll be fun to fly around our warehouse |
| 17:22.58 | Migs | your tax dollars at work |
| 17:23.05 | Migs | actually, we're going to be using it at our annual conference, too |
| 17:23.18 | Migs | and probably let our schools use it for sporting events |
| 17:25.09 | Migs | we're also planning to buy a blimp to drop prizes from |
| 17:25.34 | Migs | then we can brand it with different ads and stuff |
| 17:31.20 | Migs | https://www.facebook.com/photo.php?v=614405075300198&set=vb.452811378126236&type=2&theater |
| 17:31.22 | Migs | hahahaha |
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| 17:32.03 | cjcothran | anybody ever mix debian and rhel in production? |
| 17:32.38 | Migs | mix how? |
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| 17:33.38 | cjcothran | have them working side by side |
| 17:34.05 | Migs | we use both Debian and RHEL servers here, if that's what you mean |
| 17:34.12 | cjcothran | yes, that's what I mean :) |
| 17:34.46 | cjcothran | I'm guessing the only disadvantage really would be scripts that rely on heirarchies and/or non-bash related stuff |
| 17:35.12 | Migs | I suppose. They don't typically interact that much, except for some nfs mounts |
| 17:35.39 | cjcothran | yeah, I'm thinking of using debian (i.e. ubuntu) for my log servers and monitoring solutions |
| 17:35.42 | Migs | we started out all RHEL, because that's what the guys here knew when I came on board. Slowly switched to Debian, since RHEL's repos are usually a couple versions behind. |
| 17:35.50 | cjcothran | and keeping rhel for the old guys |
| 17:35.56 | Migs | also didn't make sense to pay for a RHEL subscription |
| 17:36.40 | cjcothran | for example, it would take me a couple hours to translate this list of debian packages to rhel packages: http://pastie.org/8749226 |
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| 18:29.48 | cjcothran | you know what would be awesome to have. a bunch of exported vms with specific errors / malfunctions for noobs like me to load up and "fix" |
| 18:30.44 | cjcothran | I would love to have a vm that has an error found in various log files where I would have to make use of cat, tail, grep, sed, awk, and perl to read and manipulate the data so that I can figure out what went wrong and when/where |
| 18:31.28 | cjcothran | where can I go to get lots of practice with that? and please don't tell me "hurr durr, just install linux on your home machine and then play around with it and you'll eventually learn, hurr durr" |
| 18:31.33 | cjcothran | :-p |
| 18:31.38 | goozbach | there was a trouble shooting script that would break your mashince |
| 18:31.41 | goozbach | can't find the links now |
| 18:31.55 | cjcothran | I need specific errors and actual breaks |
| 18:32.10 | cjcothran | goozbach: that would be cool |
| 18:35.30 | levi | I'm pretty sure that there have been professional training courses that do things like that, but I'm not aware of free material like that. Which is not to say it doesn't exist; I learned the way you don't want people to tell you to learn it. ;) |
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| 18:41.23 | cjcothran | lol |
| 18:41.32 | cjcothran | playing with it only gets me so far |
| 18:41.50 | cjcothran | it's like the difference between masturbation and sex :-p |
| 18:42.55 | cjcothran | or the difference between jamming with your guitar in the basement or playing live with other people in front of an audience |
| 18:43.01 | cjcothran | if that makes any sense |
| 18:43.29 | cjcothran | I can sit in my basement all day every day with a book and a guitar and learn a lot about how to play guitar |
| 18:43.53 | cjcothran | but I'm never going to learn the same things that I would learn by performing in different venues in front of different people with different musicians |
| 18:44.05 | cjcothran | is that a decent analogy? |
| 18:44.12 | cjcothran | if so, I think I'll keep it |
| 18:44.44 | goozbach | the gurulabs troubleshooting class is worth it |
| 18:45.37 | cjcothran | yeah, I'm actually saving up for that now that I can afford it |
| 18:45.53 | cjcothran | 2200 will still take me about six months to save up for, though |
| 18:46.31 | cjcothran | hey do you have that link for their scholarships / grants? |
| 18:46.37 | cjcothran | I looked all over the site and couldn't find it |
| 18:46.40 | cjcothran | several times |
| 18:47.44 | cjcothran | and just so no one gets the wrong idea, I have multiple vms fired up right now and am playing with *nix as we speak |
| 18:47.54 | cjcothran | I'm not just ignoring that part of my training |
| 18:53.33 | cjcothran | <PROTECTED> |
| 19:01.27 | goozbach | found it!: http://trouble-maker.sourceforge.net/ |
| 19:03.04 | goozbach | altoght it looks to not have been touched in nearly 7years |
| 19:03.23 | cjcothran | haha wow |
| 19:03.40 | cjcothran | thanks for digging that up, goozbach :) |
| 19:04.42 | cjcothran | it covers centos 5 at least |
| 19:04.54 | cjcothran | and 6 says it's beta/in progress |
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| 19:16.45 | Migs | nice, 100GB with OneDrive. One of the first 1000 users. |
| 19:16.49 | Migs | sign up and maybe you'll get it, too |
| 19:23.36 | goozbach | git reset HEAD submoduledir |
| 19:23.51 | goozbach | sorry wrong window |
| 19:42.03 | Migs | obviously |
| 19:50.29 | jsmith | Migs: I've now got 107 gigs I'll never use :-) |
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| 19:58.55 | ldav15_ | cjcothoran: There's also Chaos Monkey https://github.com/Netflix/SimianArmy |
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| 20:10.01 | opapo | what is the schedule for the openwest conference? The tracks look like they are from last year. |
| 20:12.14 | fugue88 | opapo: Voting and speaker selection has to happen first. |
| 20:12.24 | fugue88 | Voting is open now, I think. |
| 20:12.33 | fugue88 | Maybe I'm mixing it up with CodeCamp though. |
| 20:12.56 | cjcothran | do we have a list of utah tech cons somewhere? |
| 20:12.58 | opapo | The main page of the website has links to the 2013 schedule without notification of what is happening |
| 20:13.34 | fugue88 | Second subheading of the main page: |
| 20:13.35 | cjcothran | I've seen a lot of cons not update their websites until they've started the speaker selection process |
| 20:13.37 | fugue88 | Call for Papers Over |
| 20:13.38 | fugue88 | Thanks to the community for a FANTASTIC turnout! We’ve broken our record for presentations submitted and look forward to having the community vote. |
| 20:13.44 | cjcothran | it's pretty standard imo |
| 20:14.13 | fugue88 | So, waiting for the vote, it sounds like. |
| 20:14.48 | cjcothran | anyway, is there a comprehensive on-stop resource for finding out about tech related cons and small gatherings in utah? |
| 20:15.14 | opapo | I just had a coworker say they clicked on the tracks and found the dates on the tracks was different than the registration ticket. |
| 20:15.26 | opapo | I would just suggest making that link just text. |
| 20:15.35 | fugue88 | mindjuju: ^ |
| 20:21.18 | youtah | jsut read pashdown's "Google Fiber in Salt Lake City?" http://transmission.xmission.com/2014/02/19/google-fiber-in-salt-lake-city |
| 20:21.32 | youtah | s/jsut/just/ |
| 20:21.37 | jxqz | do you have to have purchased a ticket to vote? |
| 20:22.03 | jxqz | submitted a couple of topics and wonders if anyone will even vote for them at all |
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| 20:25.27 | jxqz | so installing apache (httpd for some unknown, historical reason) on centos does not open port 80 in the firewall |
| 20:25.31 | jxqz | sigh |
| 20:27.28 | jxqz | ~seen redbeard |
| 20:27.33 | infobot | redbeard <~dan@redbeard.dsl.xmission.com> was last seen on IRC in channel #ldstech, 790d 15h 26m 45s ago, saying: 'hope you can get it sorted out'. |
| 20:33.03 | cjcothran | I thought he came back with a different nick? |
| 20:33.17 | jxqz | ~Redbeard |
| 20:33.20 | jxqz | ~seen Redbeard |
| 20:33.22 | infobot | redbeard <~dan@redbeard.dsl.xmission.com> was last seen on IRC in channel #ldstech, 790d 15h 32m 34s ago, saying: 'hope you can get it sorted out'. |
| 20:35.38 | unum | I love Xmission |
| 20:35.50 | unum | I set all my servers to use xmission for a mirror |
| 20:36.01 | unum | and we have a UTOPIA connection.... |
| 20:36.19 | jxqz | XM is teh roxorz |
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| 21:31.35 | youtah | Just taught my intern how to rack a machine. Now I am dying of heat. |
| 21:31.51 | youtah | I think I might need to walk around outside for a bit |
| 21:34.20 | klys | time to go check out xencenter |
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| 21:55.34 | cjcothran | I love racking machines |
| 21:55.37 | cjcothran | can I come rack some? |
| 21:55.40 | cjcothran | srsly |
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| 22:55.59 | Migs | http://www.forbes.com/sites/briansolomon/2014/02/19/stunner-facebook-to-buy-whatsapp-for-16-billion-in-cash-stock/ |
| 22:56.04 | Migs | that is a lot of zeroes |
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| 23:22.30 | thenobel71 | oi |
| 23:22.33 | thenobel71 | L3 issues |
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