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| 06:03.15 | shalkie | s/that th/ throws in iptv./ |
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| 15:27.36 | tristanbob | jessie: if only life was like video games.... |
| 15:27.56 | jessie | tristanbob: Indeed. |
| 15:28.10 | jessie | Unless it was like Twitch Plays Pokemon, in which case, eff that. |
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| 17:16.47 | cjcothran | okay, I'm trying to manually remove some software in linux because the uninstaller that came with it (just a script, of course) did not successfully remove it. So now I am going through the install script to see where all the files are placed and I have found the init.d script associated with the software so I can stop the agent when I'm ready. Is going through the install script the best way to find out which files I will rm, or is there a better |
| 17:16.47 | cjcothran | way? |
| 17:19.24 | jsmith | cjcothran: It obviously depends on the software, but going through the script is likely the best way |
| 17:19.37 | cjcothran | ok thanks |
| 17:19.39 | jsmith | cjcothran: That's why I try very hard to stick to packaged software on Linux |
| 17:19.50 | cjcothran | yeah, well this is some obscure monitoring agent |
| 17:19.52 | jsmith | cjcothran: If it's a package (RPM/dpkg, for example), it's really easy to handle |
| 17:19.54 | cjcothran | kaseya something or other |
| 17:20.06 | jsmith | cjcothran: In that case, I'd package it myself if I could :-) |
| 17:20.26 | cjcothran | yeah, I should probably do that since we have more than one client that uses it |
| 17:20.33 | cjcothran | thanks for the great idea :) |
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| 17:27.47 | fungus | The install script is good, but may not catch any files created during it's execution, like log files, etc. |
| 17:28.58 | fungus | probably just a simple perusal or find in /etc, /var, and /usr. |
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| 17:38.51 | cjcothran | yeah, I'm definitely going to need to create a process because I need to do this on multiple machines |
| 17:39.41 | davido_ | cjcothran: You may discover, upon going through the script, that it implements dryrun and logging options, in which case you can stop going through the script, and invoke it with those options set. |
| 17:40.17 | cjcothran | davido_: that's beyond my noob-like comprehension |
| 17:40.28 | cjcothran | I'm just figuring all this stuff out as I go along |
| 17:40.35 | cjcothran | I don't know crap about crap :) |
| 17:41.04 | davido_ | Ok... I just mean sometimes scripts implement options that allow them to be run with no side effects except screen output, so that you can see what they *would* do, given the chance. |
| 17:41.21 | cjcothran | oh yeah, I was keeping an eye out for something like that |
| 17:41.28 | cjcothran | so I wouldn't have to read the whole script |
| 17:41.43 | cjcothran | and maybe just pipe it into a file |
| 17:41.48 | cjcothran | and then cat that file into rm :) |
| 17:41.58 | davido_ | Yes, it would be a lucky day if you discover that functionality. I try to implement it when I write something that could be destructive. |
| 17:41.59 | cjcothran | but that only happens in an ideal world |
| 17:42.16 | cjcothran | I doubt I live in an ideal environment :) |
| 17:43.17 | davido_ | jail it in a account that has virtually zero permissions, and watch the error messages when you run it. ;) |
| 17:43.21 | jxqz | there's lots of junk code out there, including junk installer scripts |
| 17:44.11 | jxqz | but if you could get it into an rpm or a deb as appropriate, that would definitely be the best |
| 17:44.31 | cjcothran | rhel here |
| 17:44.36 | jxqz | I can't believe that windows and mac have gone so long without the notion of a package manager |
| 17:44.46 | davido_ | biggest junk installer script is Windows Installer. I've had to literally abandon a windows install because the installer locked during a .net update, and I couldn't get it back to a satisfactory state that would allow anything else to install. |
| 17:44.48 | cjcothran | jxqz: I know. that blows my mind |
| 17:45.05 | cjcothran | jxqz: to be fair, though. apple does have the app store |
| 17:45.17 | jxqz | "we create our own stuff and our stuff is the best. we don't care about anyone else or their stuff, so why should we have a package manager?" |
| 17:45.21 | cjcothran | or itunes store |
| 17:45.36 | cjcothran | so that's a step up from what windows provides |
| 17:45.51 | jxqz | cjcothran: yes the app store concept seems like the thing that will finally bring package management to these proprietary platforms |
| 17:45.54 | cjcothran | hell, my xbox has better options for finding software than my windows machine |
| 17:46.07 | cjcothran | ~xboxlive++ |
| 17:46.45 | jxqz | for linuxen, it was the necessity to tame the sheer mania of a bevy of eclectic packages |
| 17:46.55 | cjcothran | ok, I think I'm going to schedule myself some kaseya training before I continue trying to uninstall/reinstall. looks llike I might need about 8 hours of it |
| 17:47.14 | cjcothran | they have some videos and forums and such, but it's all windows based :( |
| 17:47.33 | cjcothran | the linux monitoring compatibility is fairly new for them |
| 17:47.43 | cjcothran | even though they've been around since 95... |
| 17:48.18 | cjcothran | maybe I can suggest to the people above me that we just ditch kaseya on our *nix customers and implement icinga instead |
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| 17:48.38 | cjcothran | or even prtg |
| 17:49.30 | cjcothran | "hey, you can pay for me to spend 40 - 80 hours for me to learn the ins and outs of this, or we can save some money by going a different route" |
| 17:49.51 | jxqz | zenoss, nagios |
| 17:49.56 | bmurdock | I bought something from tigerdirect using bitcoin this morning |
| 17:50.02 | bmurdock | I love how smooth the process is |
| 17:50.08 | cjcothran | I actually liked icinga better than nagios after I gave both of them a try |
| 17:50.16 | cjcothran | bmurdock: you're on a terrorist watchlist now |
| 17:50.28 | bmurdock | lol |
| 17:50.33 | bmurdock | probably already was |
| 17:50.39 | cjcothran | because using an exchange medium that is unregulated is a threat to governments everywhere |
| 17:51.04 | cjcothran | s/unregulated/untraced |
| 17:51.27 | jxqz | haha |
| 17:51.30 | cjcothran | the powers that be have to know every detail of commerce so that it can be controlled |
| 17:51.47 | cjcothran | make sure the poor don't get richer and the rich don't get poorer ;) |
| 17:52.25 | cjcothran | we can't have people indiscriminately redistributing wealth. bad things could happen. the bad guys could end up with money. |
| 17:53.21 | jima | cjcothran: too late, i got money |
| 17:53.30 | cjcothran | that's how I see the takeover of bitcoin by the u.s. government |
| 17:54.13 | cjcothran | remove all ability to fund any sort of protest or change |
| 17:55.01 | cjcothran | takes money to lobby the usa for change, but if your opposition doesn't have a way to hoarde wealth, then you have effectively silenced your "opponents" since money is free speech |
| 17:55.17 | cjcothran | *hoard |
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| 20:19.27 | tomstokes | I think the "threat to government" angle for BitCoin is a bit exaggerated. |
| 20:20.30 | tomstokes | Especially when the block chain is effectively public record, and the government doesn't really have any problem seizing bitcoin wallets from people accused of criminal activity |
| 20:20.39 | jxqz | government is overrun by bureaucrats and technocrats who worship baseball, apple pies, and american dollars |
| 20:21.31 | jxqz | when they see alternatives to those become popular, they think the alternatives are necessarily terrorist in nature |
| 20:22.46 | tomstokes | What? Since when has the government treated bit coin as terrorist in nature? |
| 20:22.47 | jima | rugby? GET HIM! |
| 20:23.08 | tomstokes | That's pretty deep into non-sequitur territory. |
| 20:23.26 | jxqz | pro-sequeteur |
| 20:24.00 | jima | i can't speak for jxqz, but i live in non-sequitur territory |
| 20:24.46 | RyanE | I moved there because of the awesome schools. |
| 20:25.12 | jima | RyanE: with all the budget cutbacks, the schools really are excelling. |
| 20:25.31 | jima | (not sarcasm, obviously) |
| 20:28.42 | jxqz | tomstokes: if you're thinking that, I wonder if you need your sequitur calibrated |
| 20:29.12 | tomstokes | No, I'm just getting tired of all the weird political and philosophical stuff that keeps getting attached to BitCoin. |
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| 20:30.48 | jima | "thanks, obama" |
| 20:30.50 | jxqz | well, that's a better point than the one I was trying to make |
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| 20:38.15 | cjcothran | anybody looking for a technical support team lead position? |
| 20:38.35 | jxqz | I'm just disgusted with the epidemic xenophobia of my native culture |
| 20:38.55 | cjcothran | ^ |
| 20:39.00 | jima | jxqz: which native culture is that? |
| 20:39.08 | cjcothran | american culture ;) |
| 20:39.15 | jxqz | and how it bolsters and exaggerates the exigencies of the state |
| 20:39.21 | jxqz | jima: Amurcan |
| 20:39.22 | cjcothran | although to be fair, there are other cultures out there much more xenophobic than us |
| 20:39.27 | jxqz | indeed |
| 20:39.43 | cjcothran | but out of FIRST WORLD / DEVELOPED COUNTRIES, well... |
| 20:39.50 | cjcothran | we're an outlier in that |
| 20:40.09 | cjcothran | most developed countries have moved past xenophobia |
| 20:40.31 | jxqz | cjcothran: the US may also be the most ethnically, economically diverse country in that category |
| 20:40.37 | cjcothran | true |
| 20:40.50 | cjcothran | all the other "western" countries are all pretty homogenous |
| 20:41.01 | dumby | eh, it seems a lot of places like the UK have a problem with it as well |
| 20:41.12 | cjcothran | anyway, here's the contact for tech support team lead position if anybody is interested: http://www.linkedin.com/in/dejudd |
| 20:41.56 | jxqz | that could explain the paradox of the poor/uneducated people being the most energetic supporters of the common prejudices which often advocate violently against their own best interests |
| 20:42.06 | jima | cjcothran: err, how much of the world have you traveled? |
| 20:42.17 | cjcothran | none. I'm just making up statements on the fly :) |
| 20:42.28 | jxqz | ~statement |
| 20:42.36 | jxqz | ~napoleon |
| 20:42.36 | infobot | There's like a buttload of gangs at this school. One of them kept wanting me to join because I'm pretty good with a bowstaff. |
| 20:42.46 | jima | not to say we're not, as a culture, xenophobic...but it's a bit sweeping to claim that we're an outlier at the first-world tier. |
| 20:42.58 | jxqz | Pedro 2016! |
| 20:43.04 | jima | well, developed...first-world means something totally different. |
| 20:43.05 | tomstokes | Agreed, it's strange to suggest that other countries have somehow eliminated xenophobia |
| 20:43.29 | jima | i've been to other countries, i've observed xenophobia |
| 20:43.40 | jima | we don't have a monopoly on it |
| 20:43.46 | cjcothran | anecdotally I just see more active restricting of rights and harming others in america than I do in the other developed countries |
| 20:43.56 | jima | uhhh |
| 20:44.01 | cjcothran | but like I said, I'm just making it up as I go |
| 20:44.06 | jima | yes, yes you are. |
| 20:44.08 | tomstokes | It shows. ;) |
| 20:44.18 | jima | see also: muslims in the uk |
| 20:44.20 | cjcothran | I have no empirical evidence for my statements |
| 20:44.43 | cjcothran | I can be honest when I'm not being accurate :) |
| 20:45.06 | jima | maybe you shouldn't make statements you have no intention of defending? |
| 20:45.08 | cjcothran | I just like declaring assertions that make the U.S. look bad |
| 20:45.21 | tomstokes | Well at least you're honest about that. |
| 20:45.24 | jima | the US looks plenty bad without your "help" ;-) |
| 20:45.28 | cjcothran | lol |
| 20:45.49 | jima | you can stick to completely justified statements and maintain that |
| 20:46.09 | cjcothran | outofcontext: "...my personal favorite was a master + 12 slaves and a.." |
| 20:46.34 | cjcothran | because of the context of xenophobia, when I switched to #mysql, I had to double check where I was for a moment |
| 20:46.50 | jima | hah |
| 20:49.27 | cjcothran | here we go "it seems to me that out of all the so-called 'developed' countries of the western world, America appears to have the most visible issue concerning xenophobia and the trappings that come along with it" |
| 20:49.56 | cjcothran | is that better and more accurate to describe my feelings on the matter? :) |
| 20:49.58 | tomstokes | Have you considered that they might be most visible to you because you're living there? |
| 20:50.03 | tomstokes | The grass is always greener elsewhere. |
| 20:50.04 | cjcothran | yup |
| 20:50.07 | cjcothran | bias for sure |
| 20:50.40 | cjcothran | but I figured using the language I did in that last one was a bit more honest and transparent than my previous ones |
| 20:51.02 | cjcothran | I based it off of equality indexes and prosperity indexes and such |
| 20:54.57 | youtah | So. What's up. |
| 20:55.08 | youtah | Oh, I suppose that needed a ? at the end. |
| 20:55.14 | youtah | So, what's up? |
| 20:57.29 | youtah | Hey Jayce ..... you feel like eating Beef Mammal? Or how about some Chicken Bird? |
| 20:57.38 | youtah | http://i.imgur.com/bzxPRAO.jpg |
| 21:01.26 | RyanE | see also: African immigrants in Germany. |
| 21:02.35 | tomstokes | Whoa. Now I'm really hungry for some Beef Mammal. |
| 21:08.57 | jima | RyanE: i didn't run into many of them |
| 21:16.57 | Migs | http://i.imgur.com/ximZlTu.jpg |
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| 21:53.56 | bmurdock | Migs: our school dropped the science fair this year for exactly those reasons |
| 21:55.06 | bmurdock | except I think teachers were yelling and crying too |
| 21:55.55 | youtah | This is sad. I loved the science fair as a kid |
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| 21:56.24 | bmurdock | youtah, I was wondering just the other day if there was some other kind of tuna I was missing out on |
| 21:56.39 | bmurdock | tuna bird? |
| 21:57.03 | bmurdock | I guess I missed my chance for imgur fame... |
| 21:58.11 | youtah | yup |
| 21:58.19 | youtah | Just tuna piano |
| 21:58.27 | youtah | ducks before someone throws a shoe |
| 21:59.19 | youtah | http://www.heraldextra.com/news/local/central/orem/woman-buys-all-indecent-shirts-to-remove-them-from-store/article_a86e321a-14d9-54fb-b588-4bf862daab61.html |
| 21:59.37 | youtah | Hope she's never walked past a Victoria's Secret |
| 22:03.57 | Migs | um |
| 22:04.02 | Migs | she didn't really think that one through, did she? |
| 22:04.38 | youtah | all I know is that I would love to have her disposable income! |
| 22:05.14 | Migs | she probably gave them to the homeless |
| 22:06.00 | fugue88 | The articles states otherwise. |
| 22:06.02 | youtah | She's going to return them to the store on day 59 before the 60 day no return |
| 22:06.15 | ldav15_ | The article says she's going to return the shirts. So what did it accomplish? |
| 22:06.18 | Migs | oh, missed that part |
| 22:06.30 | fugue88 | Pretty clever, if you ask me. The promotion is already over, they will not be put on display agin. |
| 22:06.34 | Migs | yeah |
| 22:06.49 | fugue88 | Although they might still be on shelves. |
| 22:06.54 | youtah | right |
| 22:07.16 | Migs | all she's accomplished is drawing attention to the brand, which is better publicity than they could've accomplished all their own |
| 22:07.19 | youtah | bottom line is that they will still end up being worn by someone, somewhere, on the streets and in the public, which is what she would like to avoid. |
| 22:07.54 | youtah | I give this article a 4.5/5 star belly-flop review. |
| 22:08.00 | youtah | 's stamp of approval |
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| 22:13.35 | Migs | lolololololol https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Sg3KQAV-s8Y |
| 22:17.38 | youtah | Does that music video make Migs just as happy as a ferret in a box full of foam? http://i.imgur.com/SsHiTpT.gif |
| 22:23.10 | youtah | and this one is for harleypig http://i.imgur.com/ywff8gw.gif |
| 22:23.36 | harleypig | I l ove it! :D |
| 22:23.55 | youtah | is trying to keep from laughing out loud |
| 22:24.59 | harleypig | and I reply with http://i.imgur.com/a4FS1pt.gif |
| 22:25.26 | jxqz | http://j.jmgur.com/zxcv4567.gif |
| 22:25.29 | RyanE | gaaah. Nightmares tonight. |
| 22:25.42 | youtah | ROFL, omgosh |
| 22:26.03 | youtah | link broken jxqz |
| 22:26.14 | jxqz | (: |
| 22:26.16 | jxqz | tis fake |
| 22:26.22 | jxqz | hehe |
| 22:26.36 | youtah | WTFreak could it be eating? |
| 22:26.44 | jxqz | is teasing the url guys |
| 22:26.47 | RyanE | marshmallow creme? |
| 22:26.57 | RyanE | mashed potatos? |
| 22:27.26 | youtah | Every once in a while, something from LNI slips though and makes it to the top of Imgure |
| 22:27.29 | youtah | -e |
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| 22:46.20 | Jayce | youtah: http://imgur.com/gallery/riFwKoX |
| 22:48.24 | youtah | Fav'd |
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| 23:29.16 | rsimpkins | Hrm. New rule. All meetings must be scheduled in 15 minute increments, with an agenda for each 15 minutes. |
| 23:29.59 | rsimpkins | And no, you can't have 'first 15 minutes' - 'talk about how your weekend went, and how your kids were sick, and your dog ran away, and your basement flooded, and your new kitchen was installed, and ....' |
| 23:44.53 | youtah | Not sure how I feel about this.... |
| 23:44.53 | youtah | http://www.ksl.com/?sid=28760161&nid=1288&title=senate-unanimously-approves-youth-hunter-permit-bill&fm=home_page&s_cid=queue-12 |
| 23:45.05 | jxqz | ugh |
| 23:45.14 | jxqz | utah, how it is loathsome |
| 23:45.28 | youtah | I think the Hunters Education course should be required in all schools, whether you ever plan on ever using/shooting a gun or not |
| 23:45.35 | youtah | skipping the gutting a deer part of course |
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| 23:51.16 | jxqz | rsimpkins: just tell everyone you've instituted a new policy to arrive at meetings 15 minutes after it starts |
| 23:51.31 | rsimpkins | I want my children to slaughter their own meat. Butchering is a skill that is going out of style. |
| 23:51.56 | rsimpkins | jxqz: I'm doing this new thing where I simply don't go unless there is a defined agenda. |
| 23:53.01 | rsimpkins | Give my kiddos a warm fire, a live cow, and a sharp knive. Explain "this is dinner" - my kids will die of starvation. |
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