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| 14:58.01 | Migs | https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DAJYk1jOhzk |
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| 15:39.16 | *** topic/#utah is Utah related discussion including user groups | logs @ http://ibot.rikers.org/%23utah/ | See also ##lds | OpenWest Conference sometime 2014! openwest.org | https://fiber.google.com/cities/provo/ |
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| 15:41.29 | cjcothran | lolwot |
| 15:41.36 | cjcothran | yo dawg |
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| 15:44.13 | fadein | http://www.ksl.com/?sid=28699540&nid=1012&title=comcast-strikes-deal-to-buy-time-warner-cable&fm=home_page&s_cid=queue-3 |
| 15:45.40 | cjcothran | anybody know if Bupropion (Wellbutrin) wakes you up in the middle of the night if you take your second dose too eearly in the day? |
| 15:45.43 | cjcothran | also, I've had a constant hint of a hangover |
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| 15:50.28 | Migs | https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=22ec8o7p2bI |
| 15:52.39 | jima | can't pretend to know the answer to cjcothran's inquiry |
| 15:52.49 | cjcothran | np :) |
| 15:52.50 | jima | my wife might, even though she's not on it |
| 15:53.10 | cjcothran | was just throwing it out there in case I could gather some anecdotal experiences |
| 15:53.13 | jima | my wife is just like that...she knows drug side effects better than most civilians :-) |
| 15:53.26 | jima | ...and some medical professionals. :-| |
| 15:53.32 | cjcothran | yeah, I put off medications my whole life until just now |
| 15:53.45 | jima | i understand both sides of that argument |
| 15:54.01 | cjcothran | I just don't have enough disposable income or luxury time to continue experimenting with exercise and diet |
| 15:54.15 | cjcothran | I needed to be a bit more emotionally stable for my daughter, and quit smoking |
| 15:54.17 | jima | they're not the right answer for everything or everyone, but they absolutely have their place. |
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| 16:03.15 | cjcothran | yeah, it should stabilize me enough to where I can become more consistent with the quitting smoking and the exercise and the attention to my daughter |
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| 16:11.03 | jima | yeah, the smoking thing is a hard one |
| 16:11.33 | jima | it took my dad a bit too long to quit...it was one of those defining moments that pushed him to it |
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| 16:12.11 | jima | of course, it was too late...but so it goes. |
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| 16:37.44 | cjcothran | yeah, now that I'm in my 30's I need to quit before I hit that defining moment |
| 16:45.46 | jima | cjcothran: https://twitter.com/TheRealNimoy/status/428720437711736832 |
| 16:47.33 | cjcothran | COPD? LLAP? |
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| 16:56.00 | shalkie | So, it seems Ubuntu is going to move to systemd: http://www.markshuttleworth.com/archives/1316 |
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| 17:03.41 | jxqz | it appears that yum, like apt is too stupid to handle removing the dependencies of a package when that package is removed |
| 17:03.54 | fungus | shalkie this announcement should prevent the need for a full GR on the issue in Debian land. IMHO |
| 17:03.55 | jxqz | thus leaving cruft around for your enjoyment |
| 17:04.30 | jxqz | gentoo gets it right, how hard can it be? |
| 17:06.11 | RyanE | You could just call it "package caching", and count it as a feature. :) |
| 17:06.31 | tomstokes | jxqz: apt-get autoremove will do what you want |
| 17:07.20 | tomstokes | Or you can go nuclear and do something like apt-get --purge autoremove <blah> |
| 17:07.31 | cjcothran | mmm purge |
| 17:08.00 | jxqz | nice |
| 17:08.03 | RyanE | friend to SSD owners everywhere. |
| 17:08.24 | tomstokes | SSDs: never big enough. :( |
| 17:08.31 | cjcothran | that's what she said |
| 17:08.36 | RyanE | heh |
| 17:11.29 | Migs | our new web dev we just hired informed us he's taking another job :( Some position he applied for before he even started working for us back in October. |
| 17:11.51 | tomstokes | Guess you didn't pay enough? |
| 17:11.52 | Migs | guess we'll have to find a new one. Anyone interested? |
| 17:12.15 | Migs | well yeah, school districts aren't renowned for high salaries. :) |
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| 17:12.36 | Migs | most people here are here for other reasons than making lots of money |
| 17:12.57 | Migs | and I'd wager most of my co-workers have turned down higher paying jobs a number of times over the years. |
| 17:13.10 | RyanE | (laying low until the statute of limitations runs out) |
| 17:13.39 | Migs | our guy says his wife has been working 7 days a week, and with this new job she can finally stop doing that, which will be a great blessing for his family. So I totally get it. |
| 17:17.31 | Migs | so....any web devs in here? :) |
| 17:17.34 | cjcothran | hmm.. if my co-workers normally use cisco any connect to vpn, do I have to also use that? or does it matter which client I use? |
| 17:17.38 | cjcothran | Migs: I know a full stack dev |
| 17:17.45 | cjcothran | except he's full stack. and expensive |
| 17:17.50 | cjcothran | and probably not available |
| 17:18.08 | Migs | well that's no good |
| 17:18.37 | cjcothran | I'm assuming you need a cheap one considering $oldguy's wife had to work 7 days a week to help make ends meet ;) |
| 17:18.46 | cjcothran | either that, or he is an average american |
| 17:18.50 | cjcothran | and consumes more than he produces |
| 17:19.08 | Migs | I think it might be some of both |
| 17:19.28 | Migs | He wasn't making much less than I do, and we live comfortably enough, and my wife is a SAHM |
| 17:19.52 | fugue88 | I had to try hard to not read that as "SHAM". |
| 17:20.01 | Migs | but yeah...it wouldn't pay much. The starting salary for the dev would be in the $55k-$65k range |
| 17:20.57 | cjcothran | what? he couldn't make ends meet on 55k? |
| 17:21.03 | cjcothran | he must have, like 10 kids |
| 17:21.07 | Migs | 2 kids |
| 17:21.19 | Migs | that's more than you thought we were paying? |
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| 17:21.31 | cjcothran | lol yeah |
| 17:21.36 | fugue88 | cjcothran: Or a $100K Communications degree? :) |
| 17:21.40 | fugue88 | j/k |
| 17:21.40 | Migs | out of curiosity, what did you think? |
| 17:21.57 | cjcothran | when somebody is struggling to make ends meet, I figure they are making 40 or less |
| 17:22.03 | Migs | oh man, heck no |
| 17:22.06 | cjcothran | but I'm biased |
| 17:22.08 | fugue88 | My guess was $40K too. |
| 17:22.28 | cjcothran | I was making ends meet as a single dad paying for full time daycare off of 22k |
| 17:22.32 | Migs | my salary is a little over $80k, but I've been here 8 years |
| 17:22.50 | Migs | with our step/lane scale, things cap off at about $98k right now |
| 17:22.52 | cjcothran | so it makes me wonder about somebody who can't make ends meet at 40k |
| 17:22.53 | Migs | for developers, that is |
| 17:23.10 | fugue88 | Migs: What type of web dev are you looking for? Someone who makes things pretty (more designer-y, but good CSS)? Or client-side functionality, a la javascript? |
| 17:23.20 | fugue88 | Or both... |
| 17:23.20 | Migs | all fo the above |
| 17:23.22 | Migs | *of |
| 17:23.31 | Migs | we mainly do PHP, due to the projects we use |
| 17:23.37 | Migs | products |
| 17:23.40 | jxqz | nonsense, my family can live off $25000/year |
| 17:23.43 | Migs | sets mode +spelling Migs |
| 17:24.12 | Migs | We have a designer already, so no need for that |
| 17:24.53 | cjcothran | jxqz: not sure if... |
| 17:25.07 | Migs | We always have lots of interesting projects going on, too. Just launched a teacher contest site: http://innovations.wsd.net Just built an emergency notification system that texts, tweets, etc. for snow days and stuff. About to start working on a new media-sharing site, kind of like Pinterest but not really... |
| 17:25.20 | Migs | hours are great... off at 4pm every day, 3pm in the summers... |
| 17:25.29 | Migs | extra teacher vacation days |
| 17:25.37 | Migs | like an extra week for spring break, 2 weeks Christmas vacation... |
| 17:25.41 | Migs | no summer vacation, though :( |
| 17:25.47 | cjcothran | Migs, could also hit up dc801 |
| 17:25.58 | cjcothran | and see if anybody in there knows a webdev |
| 17:26.21 | Migs | it's a nice work environment, too. Pretty laid back. And my boss is seriously the best I've ever had. Respectable guy, knows what he wants, but also respects and listens to the expertise of his employees. Doesn't micromanage. |
| 17:26.26 | jxqz | cjcothran: we've been doing it for the past 5 years now |
| 17:26.38 | cjcothran | wow |
| 17:26.41 | Migs | one guy brings donuts every Friday |
| 17:26.44 | cjcothran | how long is your commute? |
| 17:26.50 | cjcothran | or is your mortage extremely low? |
| 17:26.51 | jxqz | 2 km |
| 17:26.53 | cjcothran | or both? |
| 17:26.54 | Migs | 15 minutes. It's in the Business Depot in Harrisville |
| 17:26.55 | Migs | lol |
| 17:26.58 | jxqz | $700 |
| 17:27.02 | shalkie | jxqz: There is a leaf plugin for yum that will remove them. |
| 17:27.02 | Migs | we have our warehouse here |
| 17:27.07 | Migs | but also a nice office |
| 17:27.12 | Migs | I live in Roy |
| 17:27.22 | jxqz | shalkie: thx man! |
| 17:27.39 | Migs | my mortgage is fairly low. House cost about $145k. |
| 17:27.45 | jxqz | the commute kills your finances |
| 17:28.05 | jxqz | http://www.mrmoneymustache.com/2011/10/06/the-true-cost-of-commuting/ |
| 17:28.10 | cjcothran | jxqz: sounds like you guys have your consumption habits under control. good job :) |
| 17:28.19 | Migs | yeah you're doing well, jxqz |
| 17:28.33 | jxqz | I ride my bike to work every day |
| 17:28.37 | cjcothran | I was hurting at that salary, though. I mean we were making it, but it was hard on me |
| 17:28.46 | cjcothran | mostly because I didn't have built-in daycare |
| 17:28.55 | cjcothran | I'm assuming you have another adult in your household, jxqz? |
| 17:28.59 | Migs | I remember when I thought $25k/year was a lot |
| 17:29.00 | jxqz | yes |
| 17:29.13 | cjcothran | yeah, that would have freed up another 600/month for me |
| 17:29.25 | Migs | lol |
| 17:29.27 | cjcothran | so I can absolutely see how you can be modestly comfortable on 25k |
| 17:29.32 | Migs | we have a couple guys here who ride their bikes to work every day in the summer |
| 17:29.43 | cjcothran | especially if you're not wasting money on cable tv, or a car |
| 17:29.49 | Migs | actually, I swear everyone here is a health nut except me |
| 17:29.51 | jxqz | definitely |
| 17:29.52 | Migs | it's weird |
| 17:29.59 | cjcothran | hifives jx |
| 17:29.59 | Migs | I'm getting a little pudgy |
| 17:30.12 | cjcothran | me too :( |
| 17:30.17 | cjcothran | still pudgy, actually |
| 17:30.27 | cjcothran | lose 15 more pounds and I'll be great |
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| 17:53.25 | davido_ | Pudgy is a occupational hazard for this line of work. |
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| 20:51.17 | tristanbob_w | http://www.gofundme.com/thecolorrunsuedme = ColorRun is from Utah |
| 21:02.07 | jima | davido_: concur |
| 21:02.55 | jima | cjcothran: COPD = chronic obstructive pulonary disease, iirc. LLAP requires thinking about the guy's most famous role. |
| 21:03.20 | jima | pulmonary* |
| 21:06.01 | Migs | it's her own fault for letting that happen, if you ask me |
| 21:06.12 | Migs | should've gotten a written agreement, copyrighted the photos LONG ago, etc. |
| 21:06.23 | Migs | seems fishy, at any rate |
| 21:06.29 | romanovic | ^^ what Migs said |
| 21:06.33 | Migs | $50k for what exactly? Unspecified "fees." |
| 21:06.40 | Migs | sounds like she just wants pity money |
| 21:07.28 | Migs | "Well, if I can't get $50,000 from this company, I'll make everyone feel sorry for me and get $50,000 out of them!" |
| 21:08.52 | romanovic | Its too bad that a company took advantage of her photos. But photographers abusing copyright, and courts letting them, seems to be trending upwards right now. no offence to photographers. |
| 21:10.13 | tristanbob_w | I guess I am mostly confused about this story, it was not written very well. |
| 21:10.16 | Migs | I would just consider this a lesson learned, count my losses, and move on if this were me. All the time wasted on this would be better spent taking awesome new photos and making boatloads of money off them |
| 21:10.38 | Migs | I'm just confused how she came up with that oddly specific $50,000 |
| 21:11.13 | Migs | a coincidentally nice round number |
| 21:11.24 | Migs | even though supposedly it's for very specific fees she has to pay. |
| 21:14.29 | Migs | oh, the photographer's a him |
| 21:14.44 | Migs | I think...I'm confused |
| 21:14.53 | romanovic | s/she/he/ |
| 21:16.36 | romanovic | I think the company ought to credit her as the photographer, then take a photo of $50,000 and send that to her |
| 21:16.42 | romanovic | s/her/him |
| 21:16.43 | romanovic | gah |
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| 21:47.53 | shalkie | I have heard a very similiar suggestion for photo cops. The judge might take issue with it though. |
| 21:48.14 | shalkie | wanders off to find an aluminum tube to sit in... |
| 21:59.19 | Migs | oh man, I'm going to be a first-time uncle any day now |
| 22:05.21 | T4rku5 | exciting, migs :) |
| 22:05.23 | T4rku5 | congrats |
| 22:05.43 | fozzmoo | It's nice to see all that work you've put in finally pay off. ;-) |
| 22:05.48 | Migs | I know. |
| 22:05.52 | Migs | it only took 14 years, too |
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| 22:26.47 | jxqz | I estimate that I've wasted about 5 hours of my life so far unsubscribing from email marketing spam from websites that I've automatically 'opted in'to |
| 22:28.37 | T4rku5 | why do you say that's a waste? |
| 22:28.38 | cjcothran | jxqz: just change email addresses :-p |
| 22:29.07 | cjcothran | and then update your email address in the sites that matter, i.e. the ones you remember off the top of your head |
| 22:32.57 | T4rku5 | metacortex -- thinking about your presentation, did you hear that silkroad was hacked? |
| 22:33.14 | T4rku5 | oops |
| 22:33.16 | T4rku5 | wrong channel |
| 22:33.17 | T4rku5 | sorry |
| 22:54.52 | jxqz | cjcothran: in this case, it was youtube spamming me, just because I watched some videos while logged in with my google profile |
| 22:56.56 | jxqz | s/google profile/universal marketing profile for google branded sites/ |
| 22:57.31 | jxqz | sometime in about 2007/2008 google went evil |
| 23:00.35 | jxqz | <PROTECTED> |
| 23:09.59 | cjcothran | ok, cute girl from plenty of fish is askin me if I have any fun plans for the weekend... |
| 23:10.07 | cjcothran | trying to figure out an appropriate response |
| 23:10.20 | cjcothran | so that she can casually invite herself or whatever |
| 23:10.24 | cjcothran | if that makes sense? |
| 23:10.39 | cjcothran | T4rku5: it wasn't hacked. it was scammed |
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| 23:10.52 | cjcothran | oh well excuse me, sheesh |
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| 23:11.07 | cjcothran | T4rku5: it wasn't hacked. it was scammed |
| 23:11.22 | T4rku5 | compromised |
| 23:12.36 | cjcothran | I'll agree to that term being appropriate :) |
| 23:12.47 | Tene | cjcothran: That sounds like the sort of thing you'd see someone doing in a sitcom. If you want to invite her, just invite her. |
| 23:12.49 | cjcothran | I was about to say I'll compromise on that |
| 23:13.09 | cjcothran | Tene: well, I need to pick an activity that is appropriate and comfortable |
| 23:13.16 | cjcothran | I was thinking about going camping |
| 23:13.27 | cjcothran | but I'm definitely not going to invite some girl off the internet camping |
| 23:13.30 | cjcothran | that would be scary for her |
| 23:13.32 | cjcothran | cuz boys are scary |
| 23:13.34 | cjcothran | lol |
| 23:17.37 | unum | camping is a very bad first date...... |
| 23:17.55 | unum | maybe you should try something more like video games, or mini golf |
| 23:18.04 | unum | my favorite was always ice skating |
| 23:24.01 | T4rku5 | yeah...camping for a first date? serial rapists and killers do that too |
| 23:24.18 | T4rku5 | or so the stereotypes would lead me to believe |
| 23:28.25 | unum | ya |
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| 23:40.35 | cjcothran | I wasn't going to take her camping, duh |
| 23:40.39 | cjcothran | jeeze |
| 23:40.57 | cjcothran | I was just telling Tene that I wasn't going to just invite her to do that :) |
| 23:41.07 | cjcothran | since he told me to just invite her |
| 23:41.17 | cjcothran | :) |
| 23:43.18 | bmurdock | jxqz: I've been thinking the same thing, but I didn't know where to go. I will take a closer look at this kolab thing you speak of. Do I need to hie to get there? |
| 23:46.38 | *** join/#utah macnewbold (~macnewbol@c-98-202-60-93.hsd1.ut.comcast.net) |
| 23:46.58 | ldav15_ | Time for a victory lap. |
| 23:49.37 | fugue88 | bmurdock: Here's a route to Kolob: http://goo.gl/maps/k7GFA . You could hie there if you want to. I don't know why jxqz would put his mail and calendar there. Side note: Kolob has a government-run visitors center---who knew? |
| 23:53.54 | *** part/#utah Nemus (~Nemus@unaffiliated/nemus) |