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| 17:02.39 | jxqz | ~napoleon Migs |
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| 22:38.53 | jxqz | how can I find out what features rpm is built with? |
| 22:40.05 | klys | presumably from the srpm for rpm... |
| 22:45.00 | jxqz | hmm |
| 22:45.20 | jxqz | embarks on what may possibly be his own "rpm hell" |
| 22:46.40 | klys | are you using centos, fedora, mandrake, or rhel |
| 22:46.45 | klys | j/c. |
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| 22:56.59 | jxqz | you know, debian's package management is crufty, laden with archaic, arcane traditions, much like the wobbly pile of autotools scripts, a cavalcade, nay a plethroa of cavalcades |
| 22:57.08 | jxqz | but at least it has documentation |
| 22:57.17 | jxqz | good, thorough, truthful documentation |
| 22:57.42 | jxqz | the world's rpm builders are effectively wizards |
| 22:57.46 | jxqz | mystics |
| 22:58.06 | jxqz | little is known about them, but our existence requires their work |
| 22:58.25 | jxqz | much like the autotools masters |
| 22:59.16 | jxqz | but this is as clear an indictment of the project/process as I can think of |
| 23:00.59 | jxqz | the chimera does not imbue any aura but foolishness |
| 23:01.35 | jxqz | a waste of life and intelligence in a bramble of needlessly awkward code |
| 23:06.30 | jxqz | for a distro that claims to be so committed to open source, it's terrifically difficult to get srpms |
| 23:07.03 | jxqz | "show me the source!" "are you sure you want that? You'll shoot your eye out" |
| 23:17.56 | unum | I remember it being really easy to get the source packages |
| 23:18.07 | unum | source rpms would be really hard, but only because they don't use rpms |
| 23:18.33 | unum | debian people say the say thing about rpm |
| 23:18.42 | unum | oh |
| 23:18.50 | unum | sorry I skipped half yoru lines |
| 23:19.09 | unum | and misattributed your complaints |
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| 23:37.22 | jxqz | unum: do you know how to get an srpm? |
| 23:37.33 | jxqz | I've been searching for the past hour without success |
| 23:37.51 | jxqz | I mean, I guess I could find the repo online and point and click |
| 23:37.56 | jxqz | but why would I do that? |
| 23:38.28 | jxqz | is that how "easy" it is to get srpms these days? Screen scrape the source repo? |
| 23:40.40 | jxqz | all I can find are mailing list conversations from 10 years ago |
| 23:48.24 | harleypig | anyone know how to troubleshoot systemd services? |
| 23:49.26 | harleypig | I can't get bitlbee to start and journalctl -u bitlbee@harleypig just says 'failed to start bitlbee' |
| 23:50.23 | harleypig | well, of course |
| 23:50.27 | klys | when I looked at it, it requires a number of kernel config settings, and replaces sysvinit |
| 23:50.28 | jlp_znc | harleypig: maybe wrap bitlbee with something that is more instrumented |
| 23:50.30 | unum | jxqz: I was confused I thought you were talking about debian |
| 23:50.38 | harleypig | the *second* I ask I find the problem. |
| 23:50.43 | unum | in which case I do know how to get the source for a package |
| 23:51.36 | unum | this seems like something jsmith should know |
| 23:51.40 | harleypig | jlp_znc: I was starting it wrong |
| 23:51.53 | jlp_znc | well, that'll do it, i guess |
| 23:52.39 | harleypig | jlp_znc: and of course I didn't realize until I pressed enter on the request for help here. I even waited a few seconds and went over everything again. |
| 23:55.52 | jlp_znc | of course |
