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| 02:09.12 | harleypig | When I install a source rpm, where are the files supposed to go? |
| 02:09.24 | harleypig | I thought it was /usr/src, but I'm not seeing them there. |
| 02:17.02 | goozbach | harleypig: def of rpmbuilddir |
| 02:17.15 | goozbach | or rpmbuild root |
| 02:17.20 | goozbach | or toplevel |
| 02:17.30 | goozbach | one of those rpmmacros vars |
| 02:21.12 | harleypig | isn't there a way to tell rpmbuild to dump it's settings? |
| 02:21.30 | harleypig | this account doesn't seem to have a .rpmmacros file |
| 02:24.30 | goozbach | rpm -qlp foo.src.rpm |
| 02:24.36 | goozbach | then updatedb |
| 02:24.46 | goozbach | then locate 'some/file/from/pkg' :) |
| 02:25.01 | goozbach | there is a way to see current rpm settings I don't recall what it is |
| 02:25.30 | goozbach | rpm –showrc |
| 02:26.55 | goozbach | don't you hate it when you want to use a new tool but then see it's system reqs are "2G ram, 2G swap, dual cpu" |
| 02:27.08 | goozbach | and you can't seem to run it in any of the "free" cloud providers |
| 02:33.32 | harleypig | You expect a free provider to provide you with 2G(ram|swap) and a dual cpu? :D |
| 02:34.20 | goozbach | no |
| 02:34.49 | goozbach | I'd expect to run and test a new'ish RoR app with lower system reqs |
| 02:38.01 | levi | goozbach: Holy cow, what kind of app requires 2G of RAM, 2G of swap, and dual CPUs?! |
| 02:38.46 | klys | prolly updatedb |
| 02:38.46 | levi | That doesn't seem normal, even for RoR. |
| 02:38.50 | goozbach | levi: discourse |
| 02:41.03 | levi | Ahhhh. |
| 02:41.35 | levi | Seems like a cool idea, but extremely poorly engineered. |
| 02:41.48 | levi | At least in the resource efficiency department. |
| 02:43.30 | goozbach | it is trying to solve a big problem |
| 02:43.48 | goozbach | I'd imagine once it's feature complete it'll start to be trimmed down |
| 02:43.58 | goozbach | it's still in the baloon phase from what I can tell |
| 02:44.51 | levi | It's pretty hard to pare down a working application that's that big into a reasonable size. |
| 02:45.41 | levi | Is it that big because it's storing a whole bunch of data in a RAM-based store like Redis? |
| 02:46.06 | goozbach | yup redis |
| 02:46.38 | levi | Hmm. |
| 02:47.49 | levi | Well, I can see where that would make sense for a big hosted discussion site, but it seems like severe overkill for a smaller community. |
| 02:48.23 | levi | The world of forum software definitely needs a shake-up, though. |
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| 03:10.06 | klys | levi I agree |
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| 05:39.55 | levi | Heh, looking at the Discourse source, I have no idea how Rails works. It doesn't *look* like an unreasonably huge behemoth, though. |
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| 06:39.41 | romanovic | i've tried the Discourse demo a couple times, and it looks really interesting. didn't realise it was RoR though. *sigh* |
| 06:40.33 | romanovic | wishes it were in python |
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| 06:53.02 | levi | I'm not sure python would be much better. |
| 06:54.50 | levi | I mean, they're both fine languages, but neither are exactly speed demons. |
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| 08:03.38 | levi | The number of triangulations of a convex polygon with n + 2 vertices is the nth Catalan number. |
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| 16:52.55 | jxqz | ruby has optional syntax |
| 16:53.08 | jxqz | that tells you everything you need to know about it |
| 16:53.34 | jxqz | well, it's not as bad as perl, or shell, ugh |
| 16:54.28 | jxqz | there's a striking correlation between syntax obfuscation and readability |
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| 17:45.01 | youtah | http://i.imgur.com/l8nf8EO.gif |
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| 17:52.33 | youtah | Hey |
| 17:52.41 | youtah | you guys wanna hear a funny joke? |
| 17:52.57 | youtah | Bible Belt + Snow + Cars on the road! |
| 17:53.04 | youtah | Or I guess, in this case, on the side. |
| 17:53.11 | youtah | Alabama isn't doing so hot apparently either: http://imgur.com/gallery/7WgY5oC |
| 17:53.11 | youtah | and this.... http://imgur.com/gallery/woBtl |
| 17:56.49 | jima | youtah: as a minnesotan, i find utahns + snow + cars on the road entertaining enough. |
| 17:57.38 | youtah | jima, then you should like this: https://twitter.com/youtah/status/428536720741511169 |
| 18:01.55 | jima | the same thing happens there, and yes, i'm aware that i'm part of the problem. |
| 18:18.12 | shalkie | Well, I understand why the car was on fire at least. |
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| 19:28.02 | youtah | jima, I am most definitely part of the problem. I scare the others while I drive with my Subaru (AWD) with my heavy duty winter/ice/snow tires. |
| 19:28.23 | jxqz | full typing -> brittle code. Why? Because programmers are lazy, they don't want to write out every data type every time |
| 19:34.31 | youtah | Anyone know of any full time Java Developer positions that are open? I have a good friend that's looking. |
| 19:38.17 | jima | isn't "Subaru (AWD)" functionally redundant? i've gotten the impression that all they make (these days?) is AWD. |
| 19:38.37 | jima | maybe i'm mistaken |
| 19:38.39 | youtah | yeah, possibly |
| 19:38.45 | youtah | they make one car that isn't AWD |
| 19:39.05 | youtah | That's the BRZ (they made in combination with Toyota, called the 86) |
| 19:39.39 | youtah | and it's rear wheel drive |
| 19:41.20 | youtah | http://www.bbc.co.uk/programmes/p015x9ys << BRZ / GT86 by Top Gear (cc: dremex_work & fozzmoo ) |
| 19:52.06 | youtah | http://www.wimp.com/glaciercalving/ |
| 19:57.16 | youtah | http://www.washingtonpost.com/blogs/the-switch/wp/2014/01/29/edward-snowden-has-been-nominated-for-a-nobel-peace-prize/ |
| 20:00.15 | yukaia-work | also, Subaru has several different AWD types. |
| 20:00.55 | yukaia-work | their most common one uses a viscous coupling center diff. |
| 20:01.46 | yukaia-work | those cars are basically FWD untill tires start to slip. |
| 20:02.56 | yukaia-work | that setup is more friendly to fuel economy. |
| 20:03.19 | yukaia-work | their most famous AWD setup is the one found on the WRX. |
| 20:04.31 | yukaia-work | it's full time AWD with an adjustable center diff. |
| 20:05.10 | youtah | http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kRniF4JQN2U |
| 20:05.11 | yukaia-work | the driver can choose the torque distribution from 50/50 to 35/65 |
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| 20:06.19 | yukaia-work | http://www.awdwiki.com/en/subaru/ |
| 20:06.38 | yukaia-work | that article is pretty good. |
| 20:06.55 | youtah | that youtube video I just posted is a pretty solid demonstation |
| 20:07.01 | youtah | demonstration |
| 20:08.25 | yukaia-work | yeah, it's a bit biased though. none of the other vehicles used in that video have an LSD. |
| 20:08.31 | yukaia-work | which is the problem, not the AWD setup. |
| 20:08.50 | youtah | that's because it's better |
| 20:13.46 | youtah | Another good one http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Uwr5_Sd47Us |
| 20:13.52 | youtah | Volkswagen does well |
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| 20:16.32 | youtah | http://i.imgur.com/DaZoD.jpg |
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| 20:19.04 | yukaia-work | true, but a LSD isn't really an AWD part, it's a differential part. |
| 20:27.58 | youtah | it's the part making it worth having |
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| 21:07.29 | tomstokes | Most LSDs won't save you on that roller ramp test |
| 21:08.32 | tomstokes | Most of the LSDs have a finite torque bias ratio, which is the ratio of torque sent to the axle that slips vs the axle that grips |
| 21:08.56 | tomstokes | If you're rocking a Torsen diff with a 5:1 torque bias ratio, you're in good shape in most real-world conditions |
| 21:09.29 | tomstokes | But if you put one wheel up on a roller ramp like that, or lift it up in the air over uneven terrain, or put it on super slippery ice then the other wheel can only get 5x the torque that wheel is seeing |
| 21:09.38 | tomstokes | 5 x zero torque is still zero |
| 21:10.25 | tomstokes | Some super fancy traction control systems can apply braking force to the slipping wheel, putting an artificial torque on that axle. The LSD can then multiply that braking torque by the torque bias ratio and send that much power to the wheel that grips |
| 21:11.39 | tomstokes | The viscous LSDs are speed sensitive, not torque sensitive. So the amount of torque transferred depends on the speed difference between the axles |
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| 21:14.36 | tomstokes | If you want to get really crazy, the Wavetrac is a gear-based diff that does really well when one wheel has zero traction: http://www.wavetrac.net/technical.htm |
| 21:17.13 | tomstokes | But really that roller-ramp scenario just doesn't happen very much in the real world unless you're hitting the limit of suspension travel and fully lifting a wheel off the ground |
| 21:17.58 | youtah | or super super slick ice |
| 21:18.16 | youtah | like what they were saying in the video, the test is an extreme test, really designed to push the limits of the vehicles. |
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| 21:22.42 | tomstokes | Yeah super super slick ice under one wheel or axle would do it too |
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| 21:32.48 | Migs | was this already shared? https://scontent-atl.xx.fbcdn.net/hvideo-prn2/v/t42/1536391_10153798249915424_1491245567_n.mp4?oh=cab4d1343c917b6697d607e5ff252fab&oe=52E985FC |
| 21:34.02 | yukaia-work | there's also the electronically controlled clutch pack based LSD that will do fairly well in most conditions. |
| 21:36.20 | jxqz | C++'s notions of metaprogramming are fundamentally primeval, arcane, and obtuse |
| 21:36.21 | yukaia-work | then there's also the fixed value LSDs that will operate at all times. |
| 21:36.36 | jxqz | same for C, actually |
| 21:39.57 | yukaia-work | but regardless for inclement weather the proper tire choice is the most important thing. |
| 21:42.56 | tomstokes | Agreed. Winter tires are amazing |
| 21:43.04 | tomstokes | I'm loving my Dunlop Wintersport 4D this season |
| 21:44.10 | tomstokes | Miller Motorsports Park had a track day in the snow a few weeks ago. It was awesome: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hewDwI-oQ3g |
| 21:44.23 | yukaia-work | yeah, they're doing wintercross this year. |
| 21:44.49 | tomstokes | At this rate, I think the next one might end up being in the dry |
| 21:44.50 | yukaia-work | I know a few people that go out regularly. |
| 21:44.56 | yukaia-work | yeah, it's sad. |
| 21:45.00 | tomstokes | You should bring the MS3 out |
| 21:46.43 | yukaia-work | http://dailyderbi.com/wp-content/gallery/2013-winterx-round-2-miller-motorsports-park/winterx_dec_mwg_2961.jpg |
| 21:46.57 | yukaia-work | My brother has the MS3, I have the MS6. |
| 21:47.02 | tomstokes | Oh that's right |
| 21:47.32 | tomstokes | Yeah Nick was crazy fast in that Miata. I don't think he was even on snow tires. The rear diff is welded, which helps |
| 21:47.38 | yukaia-work | I'd bring it out but it's not really set up for any sort of track stuff yet, still need to get the new diff mounts, adjustable ball joints, rear sway, and a proper oil cooler. |
| 21:47.51 | yukaia-work | http://dailyderbi.com/photos-winterx-round-3/ |
| 21:49.05 | yukaia-work | welded diffs are fun, but they eat up tires lol. |
| 21:52.19 | yukaia-work | I'm super stoked for spring/summer to come around though, after I get my LTA intercooler setup done and some money saved up I'll probably be doing a turbo swap. |
| 21:52.53 | tomstokes | Which turbo? |
| 21:53.00 | tomstokes | Is the MS6 direct injected? |
| 21:54.13 | yukaia-work | I've narrowed it down to 3 turbos right now, a GTX2867, EFR 6258 or EFR 6758. Yeah it is. |
| 21:55.08 | yukaia-work | the GTX would be about 1k cheaper than the EFR series, but those Borg Warner EFR turbos are magical. |
| 21:55.39 | tomstokes | All of those are awesome turbos. I really like the EFRs. They're the better turbo for sure, but I'm still not 100% convinced that the extra performance is enough to warrant the extra $ |
| 21:55.44 | tomstokes | Are they still on a crazy long backorder? |
| 21:56.58 | yukaia-work | they're in stock at Fullracing.com |
| 21:57.18 | yukaia-work | that extra 1k comes from having to run a new exhaust mani and a new downpipe. |
| 21:58.26 | tomstokes | I'm not familiar with the MS6. Would you end up with a twin scroll setup? |
| 21:59.53 | yukaia-work | Yeah, the full race kit is a twin scroll so that's one of the pros for going with the efr from full race. |
| 22:00.12 | yukaia-work | but the GTX2867 just sounds so good, and makes close to the same power. |
| 22:00.26 | yukaia-work | it doesn't spool as fast though. |
| 22:01.14 | tomstokes | Spool is huge for me |
| 22:01.55 | yukaia-work | yeah, I'm the same when it comes to daily drivers. |
| 22:02.09 | yukaia-work | unless it's built for just going down the 1/4 mile. |
| 22:03.43 | youtah | yukaia-work, I think that most of the newer Subaru's are moving towards the electronically controlled clutches, which I hear are not quite as good, but still 95% range |
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| 22:04.45 | youtah | I have tried the new Nitto SN2 Winter Tires |
| 22:04.59 | yukaia-work | that wouldn't surprise me, I haven't been following Subaru much lately. They're nice but the clutch packs tend to wear out faster than other systems. |
| 22:05.18 | youtah | we were getting serious groove wandering with our minivan, switched to the Blizzaks and the wandering went away. |
| 22:05.35 | youtah | The SN2's from NITTO seem to be doing just fine on my Impreza though |
| 22:05.48 | yukaia-work | when it comes to electrically controlled LSD setups I'm a fan of the brake system. |
| 22:06.14 | youtah | No! |
| 22:06.16 | youtah | I lied! |
| 22:06.20 | youtah | errrr, was wrong |
| 22:06.51 | youtah | yukaia-work & tomstokes it wasn't the blizzaks we got, it was the Slalom KSI's from BFGoodrich |
| 22:06.54 | youtah | for the minivan |
| 22:07.08 | youtah | we almost got the blizzaks |
| 22:07.13 | yukaia-work | I loved my Blizzaks when I had them on my civic, that thing could go anywhere. The past little while I've just been using second hand snow tires. |
| 22:09.22 | youtah | Yeah, apparently Lehi doesn't plow their streets, so I feel like we live in North Dakota, where snow/ice tires are mandatory |
| 22:31.13 | jlp_znc | dremex_work: https://play.google.com/store/apps/details?id=com.webmajstr.pebble_gc <- geocaching with pebble! |
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| 22:52.37 | dremex_work | jlp_znc, uses c:geo, interesting |
| 22:53.06 | jlp_znc | isn't it, though? |
| 22:59.23 | dremex_work | Have you tried it? |
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| 23:14.09 | jlp_znc | downloaded it, but haven't tried it |
| 23:15.01 | jlp_znc | was tested only on BETA6 and I have BETA7... |
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| 23:26.55 | jlp_znc | SDK 2.0-RC is out |
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| 23:41.15 | jlp_znc | watch app seems to run on 2.0-RC... no idea if it works as I can't get any GPS in the building. will try it on the way home tonight. |
| 23:42.53 | jlp_znc | interesting... I just got an e-mail from senator mike lee. apparently, we don't have a republican party any more, we just have a tea party. the mail starts with "last night I delivered the Tea Party response to the president's State of the Union speech" |
| 23:56.38 | youtah | yeah, I was taking a manly bubble bath during the SOTU |
| 23:56.41 | youtah | so I missed it |
