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| 00:33.14 | jnbek | mmm, Tarkus |
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| 00:33.46 | jnbek | yes!! |
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| 01:59.36 | davido | Hi all. |
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| 05:45.45 | levi | davido: Hi. |
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| 08:25.53 | klys | ~slashdot |
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| 09:38.04 | eightyeight | i could see the price of bitcoin dropping, just to prevent the goverment from making any money off it |
| 09:38.09 | eightyeight | heh |
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| 13:27.32 | goozbach | how could that happen? |
| 13:27.35 | goozbach | honestly |
| 13:27.56 | goozbach | I don't understand how the value could drop that arbitrarilly |
| 13:28.18 | klys | ...then someone may sue on grounds of pricefixing |
| 13:28.36 | goozbach | if anything the greedy folks who weren't in on the ground floor are going jump in en masse and drive the price back up |
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| 15:51.06 | unum | it's not arbitrary, people would intentionally be avoiding it |
| 15:51.19 | unum | I'd actually expect the price to dip a little bit |
| 15:51.36 | unum | just because of supply and demand |
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| 17:15.34 | goozbach | sadness, turntable.fm is dead? |
| 17:16.30 | jsmith | goozbach: Uh, yeah.... been dead for a while now |
| 17:16.34 | jsmith | goozbach: Where you been? |
| 17:16.37 | jsmith | ducks and hides |
| 17:16.49 | goozbach | jsmith: trying to reinvent myself |
| 17:17.10 | goozbach | when am I gonna come take over your job? |
| 17:17.20 | goozbach | :) |
| 17:17.23 | jsmith | As soon as I get hiring approval?!? |
| 17:17.47 | jsmith | has three or four jobs he could give away and still be busy |
| 17:18.00 | goozbach | in other news, how did I go so long without getting into jenkins? |
| 17:18.06 | goozbach | it's pretty the shiz! |
| 17:18.20 | Jayce^ | talk to fozzmoo about that... |
| 17:18.33 | goozbach | I've created some ansible galaxy roles for it! |
| 17:18.40 | goozbach | builds and tests perl pkgs |
| 17:18.45 | goozbach | used it to test O::Shit |
| 17:18.56 | goozbach | works a charm |
| 17:18.59 | goozbach | or something |
| 17:20.07 | fozzmoo | Jenkins is pretty cool. |
| 17:20.07 | fozzmoo | That is, if you have the right plugins installed. Otherwise, you'll be writing shell scripts for the rest of your life. |
| 17:20.07 | jxqz | haha, you guys are starting to sound like javascript jockeys |
| 17:20.07 | jxqz | "$name is teh bomborz" |
| 17:20.21 | jxqz | <tomorrow> "$newname roxoz the house" |
| 17:20.47 | fozzmoo | "jxqz pissed on the party!" |
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| 17:24.43 | jxqz | lolz |
| 17:24.48 | ldav15_ | jenkins does some stuff right, but seems messed up in other ways. Maybe I just need to tinker with it some more. |
| 17:29.37 | goozbach | ldav15_: i'm not saying it's and end all be all |
| 17:30.12 | goozbach | but it's good enoughâ„¢ |
| 17:30.43 | goozbach | I was super happy to find the TAP plugin for jenkins |
| 17:30.56 | goozbach | I used to use an old system called Smolder for TAP testing |
| 17:31.01 | goozbach | loves TAP |
| 17:34.09 | bmurdock | Apparently Obama just spoke about NSA reforms. Best reaction on twitter, "Obama says, 'don't worry, if you like your privacy you can keep it.'" |
| 17:35.10 | rsimpkins | lol |
| 17:35.45 | rsimpkins | There is no possible change that I will fully trust. My government has pwned me. I give up. |
| 17:36.14 | rsimpkins | Please install my government monitoring implant and reproduction control device now. |
| 17:38.22 | fozzmoo | goozbach: Yeah, we're leveraging the TAP stuff at BH |
| 17:38.36 | fozzmoo | bmurdock: ++ |
| 17:39.11 | goozbach | ~TAP++ |
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| 17:40.37 | goozbach | is sad, testanything.org is down |
| 17:40.42 | bmurdock | oh, turns out that was Paul Ryan: http://www.businessinsider.com/rand-paul-obama-nsa-speech-2014-1 |
| 17:40.43 | bmurdock | lol |
| 17:40.53 | goozbach | We're down for an upgrade on the hosting box. We expect to be back up by 22:00, 26th March 2013. |
| 17:41.05 | goozbach | time for lunch |
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| 17:53.58 | Migs | http://i.imgur.com/w2s2KeA.jpg |
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| 18:28.02 | RyanE | bmurdock: http://legalinsurrection.com/2013/12/branco-cartoon-for-keeps-sake/ |
| 18:29.11 | Jayce^ | wow, RyanE comes out of left field for his quarterly visit to the room :) |
| 18:29.48 | RyanE | yeah, last night I also made my bi-annual visit to a UPHPU meeting... :) |
| 18:30.02 | Jayce^ | d'oh |
| 18:30.12 | RyanE | (it wasn't *about* PHP) |
| 18:30.21 | Jayce^ | you going to do a openwest presentation this year? |
| 18:30.33 | RyanE | on what? |
| 18:30.43 | Jayce^ | that's where you come in :) |
| 18:32.09 | bmurdock | RyanE: nice |
| 18:32.11 | RyanE | I could probably be coaxed to do a live Lua integration presentation, but without Levi's part (the Lua syntax, etc.) it wouldn't be nearly as good. |
| 18:32.11 | RyanE | bmurdock: yeah, his cartoons are pretty dang good. |
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| 18:56.26 | youtah | LOL wtf Migs |
| 19:00.10 | Migs | heh, this is cool http://roadietuner.com/ |
| 19:00.30 | Migs | youtah: Yeah, I'm glad he told us that. |
| 19:00.35 | Migs | Now I can update my contact list. |
| 19:04.26 | youtah | I just read the whole thing http://i.imgur.com/btnxHWt.jpg |
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| 19:17.21 | jxqz | the more I use git, the more excellent it becomes |
| 19:17.57 | Jayce^ | so all it was missing was you? |
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| 19:22.41 | jxqz | and sjansen |
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| 19:30.17 | testicon | LINUX |
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| 20:11.02 | jxqz | ~rot209845760387458962750629485760 XUNIL |
| 20:11.02 | infobot | TQJEH |
| 20:11.13 | jxqz | yay |
| 20:11.22 | jxqz | HEJQT |
| 20:14.17 | youtah | This is Perfect Jayce^ |
| 20:14.19 | youtah | https://scontent-a.xx.fbcdn.net/hphotos-prn1/1526339_10152183902607112_1762809429_n.jpg |
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| 20:24.25 | saturdayplace | So, I decided to submit a couple proposals for the OpenWest CFP, and noticed there are two similar fields: "Abstract" and "Description". |
| 20:24.42 | saturdayplace | Is there a difference to pay attention to when creating a proposal? |
| 20:25.01 | RyanE | you should be more abstract in the first one. |
| 20:30.21 | jxqz | abstract usually means a paragraph-length summary |
| 20:30.45 | youtah | I love delicious cherry gelatin |
| 20:30.52 | youtah | aka Ju Ju Hearts |
| 20:36.12 | jlp_znc | youtah, murdering JuJu Bears for their hearts and discarding the rest of the carcass. |
| 20:36.13 | jxqz | and mindjuju |
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| 20:40.25 | saturdayplace | I'm still not grasping the difference between summary == description == abstract |
| 20:41.01 | RyanE | I think jxqz gave good advice: Make the abstract a single paragraph, followed by a longer description in the Description field. |
| 20:41.09 | RyanE | maybe with some more details |
| 20:42.16 | saturdayplace | I'm probably over-thinking this, but it looks like they limit characters in the Description field, and don't in the abstract one. Probably that's why I'm confused. |
| 20:42.37 | saturdayplace | I'm still trying to get over my imposter syndrome and actually write the stupid proposal |
| 20:50.24 | jxqz | so, back to bosses |
| 20:50.37 | jxqz | there are some things about working in a non academic environment |
| 20:51.09 | jxqz | that make it feel as if your boss treats you like you're their property |
| 20:51.42 | jxqz | I know some people think of this as a virtue of some sort, but I find it vile and repugnant |
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| 21:12.22 | Jayce^ | jxqz: it's only when we wear the cape, fly hat, and have a cane that you should feel that way... |
| 21:12.54 | Jayce^ | thinking about dressing like that and asking fozzmoo, "Where's my code B@$$?" |
| 21:14.12 | Jayce^ | related: http://3.bp.blogspot.com/_yVRnYZl79Zk/TQQFtqUMf4I/AAAAAAAAAaM/TvzXWXAn8nU/s1600/imgonnagityousuckapimp.jpg |
| 21:14.40 | jlp_znc | diggin' those shoes |
| 21:15.32 | Jayce^ | with the aquarium in them.. |
| 21:15.43 | jxqz | bows to his Jayce^ overlord |
| 21:16.01 | Jayce^ | jxqz: so, you are with EFF now? or did you go somewhere else? |
| 21:16.16 | jxqz | Jayce^: that was a longing long shot at best :) |
| 21:16.23 | Jayce^ | ah, ok |
| 21:16.24 | jxqz | I was surprised they even interviewed me |
| 21:16.31 | Jayce^ | needed to talk to them about openwest |
| 21:16.40 | Jayce^ | and can't find the contact info of the guy I've talked to before |
| 21:16.52 | jxqz | conclusion of interview: "yeah, you're basically underqualified for this job" |
| 21:17.06 | jxqz | s/interview/15 minute interview/ |
| 21:17.46 | jxqz | I was actually kind of surprised at the stuff they're using there |
| 21:18.01 | jxqz | older school stuff, but I guess it works |
| 21:18.12 | jxqz | lamp-like |
| 21:18.14 | jlp_znc | are chris davis and/or helen rose still working there? |
| 21:18.38 | jxqz | I don't know who they are |
| 21:19.07 | jlp_znc | they were at EFF way way back |
| 21:20.08 | jlp_znc | they worked for Mitch Kapor directly, also |
| 21:21.10 | jlp_znc | they were big into IRC in the early 90s (that was how I met them). |
| 21:22.04 | jxqz | ah, the 90s, they seem so trivial, so adolescent, so idyllic now |
| 21:22.22 | jxqz | maybe because I was adolescent then |
| 21:22.37 | jxqz | compared to now |
| 21:22.42 | jxqz | now we've got real problems |
| 21:23.09 | jlp_znc | yeah, like "the twitter" |
| 21:26.14 | jlp_znc | https://fossies.org/linux/privat/bahamut-2.0.7.tar.gz:a/bahamut-2.0.7/doc/old/Authors <- check out line 130! |
| 21:28.02 | jxqz | why does the C family split itself into the .c/.h dichotomy? |
| 21:28.14 | jxqz | the original motivations seem so quaint now |
| 21:28.51 | jxqz | "let's split our source file into two to enhance readabilty and cut down on boilerplate" |
| 21:29.31 | jlp_znc | are you opposed to reducing redundancy? ease of maintenance? |
| 21:29.52 | jxqz | indeed |
| 21:30.01 | jlp_znc | keep in mind that when C was written, 64k of instruction space and 64k of data space was considered "large" |
| 21:30.23 | jlp_znc | not 640k, 64k |
| 21:30.25 | jxqz | 64 k is quaint |
| 21:30.59 | jlp_znc | covers the ears of his nintendo 64 |
| 21:31.48 | RyanE | I think because headers also serve the function of prototypes for things in libraries that are to be linked later, or that you don't have the source to. |
| 21:32.08 | RyanE | That way, type checking and parameter checking can be performed at compile time. |
| 21:33.10 | jxqz | but, then, why aren't those files autogenerated from the .c files? |
| 21:33.33 | RyanE | b/c 60's. |
| 21:33.37 | jlp_znc | :-) |
| 21:34.03 | jxqz | writes an util to autogenerate .h from .c's |
| 21:34.12 | jxqz | "no, don't do it", OK |
| 21:34.22 | jxqz | time waste averted |
| 21:34.23 | RyanE | also, in C, there's no private / protected / etc. like there is in C++. if you wanted internal-only functions, don't put them in the public .h file. |
| 21:34.28 | jlp_znc | it was a way of separating the declaration of something from it's definition. |
| 21:35.00 | jxqz | but why would you ever want to separate those? |
| 21:35.02 | jlp_znc | no silly objects in C. no "private" and "public" nonsense. :-) |
| 21:35.27 | RyanE | because an interface to the library should be *clean*, man. |
| 21:35.56 | jlp_znc | well, because linkers were stupid. if you had the definition in the same place as the declaration, and you included the declaration in some other file (because you needed to use it there), the linker would see two definitions! madness! |
| 21:36.02 | jxqz | your compiler can still autogenerate the inherently intermediate .h files even given all these considerations |
| 21:37.16 | goozbach | where's levi for this discussion? |
| 21:37.17 | jlp_znc | back in those days, it was hard work just to generate the dependencies between all of your files so you could figure out what order to link stuff in. there were even mechanisms to sort your archives so they could be linked with a single pass (because each link pass took a measurable amount of non-trivial time) |
| 21:37.22 | RyanE | goozbach: amen |
| 21:37.43 | goozbach | he could probabally tell you what the guys who decided to do that ate for brunch the day they decided |
| 21:37.50 | goozbach | guys being k/r? |
| 21:38.04 | jxqz | I'm not arguing for how things should have been done, obviously there are lots of reasons for it, but I wonder how many of those reasons are: because that's how we do it |
| 21:38.18 | RyanE | jxqz: all of them. |
| 21:38.20 | RyanE | stop wondering. |
| 21:38.32 | jxqz | but anyway, why keep on going with such madness |
| 21:38.38 | jxqz | why does anyone even use java? |
| 21:38.44 | jxqz | hides |
| 21:39.10 | jxqz | never questioned this until now anyway |
| 21:39.16 | jlp_znc | RyanE: ! |
| 21:39.43 | jlp_znc | jxqz: I'm with you on java. what an abomination! language doesn't even have a "goto" statement |
| 21:39.56 | jxqz | totally! |
| 21:40.04 | RyanE | Here's the reason, for reals: "In an interview shortly after Ritchie's death, long time colleague Brian Kernighan said Ritchie never expected C to be so significant." |
| 21:40.16 | RyanE | :) |
| 21:40.20 | jlp_znc | and there you go |
| 21:40.23 | jxqz | tell that to sjansen :) |
| 21:40.45 | RyanE | you're a couple hours too late. Had lunch with him today. |
| 21:40.50 | jlp_znc | K&R were sure that "D" was going to be the language of the future. followed, maybe, by "E". |
| 21:42.17 | RyanE | ah, but your theory doesn't work... there was no 'A'... |
| 21:42.33 | jlp_znc | did you miss the discussion about "A"PL the other day? |
| 21:42.53 | RyanE | apparently so. I'm only allowed in here bi-annually. :) |
| 21:43.34 | RyanE | BCPL, on which B was based, was influenced by CPL, not APL. |
| 21:44.02 | jlp_znc | semantics, schmemantics |
| 21:44.23 | RyanE | personally hated APL, though. |
| 21:44.43 | jlp_znc | I thought it was cool, but it definitely deserved the notation "write only language" |
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| 21:53.22 | jalbretsen | Has anyone ever heard of malware that will write spam to the wikipedia? |
| 21:53.43 | RyanE | Yeah, they're called "humans" |
| 21:53.48 | jalbretsen | ROFL |
| 21:54.11 | RyanE | self-replicating, autonomous, everything! |
| 21:54.33 | jalbretsen | we got a strange message of an edit that was reversed from our IP addresses that had nothing to do with Charlie Brown |
| 21:54.41 | RyanE | heh. |
| 21:54.57 | jalbretsen | the edit was spammy in nature |
| 21:54.57 | RyanE | some malware writer is very passionate that Charlie Brown not get retconned. |
| 21:56.59 | RyanE | seriously, that is weird. You're saying, though, that the edit originally came from your IP, not that your IP reversed it, right? |
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