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| 03:12.36 | keldwud | joshh: devices that send us notices and reminders only work when you remember to create the notification in the first place :-p |
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| 03:22.36 | keldwud | hmm.. I think this maybe helps explain why nobody hires jr admins but everybody is desperate for Sr admins |
| 03:23.01 | keldwud | couldn't a person take a senior's salary and pay a jr half that and then use a portion of what they would pay a sr to pay for training? |
| 03:23.13 | keldwud | or is that counterintutive / counter productive? |
| 03:26.27 | keldwud | this sums up how I feel about my experience: "unless I know everything, then I'm worth nothing" |
| 03:27.01 | goozbach | keldwud: you need to get in with a good sr at a good company who will get you some training |
| 03:27.56 | keldwud | heh |
| 03:28.06 | keldwud | that really seems like a pipe dream, doesn't it? :) |
| 03:35.01 | keldwud | from the reddit article I'm reading: "Worse is asking for their social security number" |
| 03:35.15 | keldwud | http://www.reddit.com/r/jobs/comments/1v50e1/skills_gap/ |
| 03:35.22 | keldwud | that happened to me three times today |
| 03:35.34 | keldwud | three potential employers required my social and birthdate right off the bat |
| 03:35.41 | keldwud | and you know what? I gave it to them |
| 03:44.37 | jxqz | keldwud: I was in the same position only one month ago |
| 03:45.02 | jxqz | lamer employers think they know what they're looking for, want a 'sr engineer', whatever that is |
| 03:45.22 | jxqz | and then they think they can figure you out in 1 hour or less |
| 03:45.51 | keldwud | sorry for comin in here and whining all day, guys :) |
| 03:46.11 | jxqz | what if it were standard to consider an interview as a day on the job? and get paid for it? :) |
| 03:46.42 | keldwud | then my horrible woo-ing skills wouldn't affect my life in such a negative way :) |
| 03:46.54 | keldwud | they would no longer dictate my lifestyle |
| 03:46.58 | keldwud | or my worth |
| 03:47.04 | keldwud | :) |
| 03:48.17 | jxqz | when I finally got a job and started hacking, I realized that all the places that turned me down woefully underestimated me |
| 03:48.37 | jxqz | but that just means I ended up with a really great boss, I guess |
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| 04:00.11 | keldwud | http://www.reddit.com/r/jobs/comments/1v2uck/after_6_months_120_applications_21_interviews_i/ |
| 04:00.20 | keldwud | there's a bullet point in the link I shared called "Follow Up". can anyone confirm for me if this is wise or unwise in our industry? |
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| 04:28.22 | jxqz | keldwud: I write a post interview email message if I have anything to say. I also think it can't be a bad idea to thank someone for their time |
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| 16:46.24 | keldwud | omg |
| 16:46.34 | keldwud | I sent out the wrong resume yesterday! |
| 16:54.02 | unum | that's unfortunate |
| 16:54.16 | unum | my wife got tickets to the Aaron Swartz documentary |
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| 16:59.46 | unum | http://news.cnet.com/8301-1023_3-57617148-93/aaron-swartz-film-trailer-released-with-anti-nsa-message/ |
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| 17:03.22 | jima | jxqz: fwiw, i was looking for a new job for about 6-7 years when i finally got my current one. |
| 17:03.44 | jima | so on the note of underestimating, and awesome bosses...yeah. i'm with you there. |
| 17:08.25 | keldwud | well, there goes rejection number one |
| 17:08.35 | keldwud | prepares himself for a hundred more |
| 17:08.50 | keldwud | labor will accept me, right? |
| 17:08.55 | keldwud | everyone needs labor don't they? |
| 17:08.58 | keldwud | unskilled labor? |
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| 17:14.52 | unum | keldwud: my employer will hire you |
| 17:15.07 | unum | :) |
| 17:15.30 | unum | they'll even pay you above mininium wage($7.50) |
| 17:19.13 | keldwud | lol |
| 17:19.30 | keldwud | I'm just being whiny because I don't deal with rejection well |
| 17:20.10 | keldwud | have a lot riding on being accepted as a real/normal person yet I have a history of not being able to convince people who don't know me that I'm real and genuine and valuable |
| 17:20.41 | youtah | jlp_znc, http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=b8lyCqZZW0E&list=UUfHGy4bwo5kO2a2em5hFLqw&feature=c4-overview |
| 17:23.42 | youtah | That's not even really what I was looking for |
| 17:23.45 | youtah | but still interesting |
| 17:24.42 | jlp_znc | http://www.defensereview.com/anti-snipersniper-detectiongunfire-detection-systems-at-a-glance/ |
| 17:25.00 | keldwud | unum: what is it? |
| 17:25.28 | unum | calling people for surveys |
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| 17:29.18 | keldwud | lol |
| 17:29.26 | keldwud | is it western watts? |
| 17:29.32 | keldwud | i.e. Opinionology |
| 17:30.11 | keldwud | :) |
| 17:33.31 | jlp_znc | keldwud: you're over qualified for a labor position. I lost count of the number of times I heard that I was over qualified for a particular position. |
| 17:34.16 | keldwud | what if I just lie? |
| 17:34.22 | keldwud | and pretend I'm 21 years old |
| 17:34.25 | jlp_znc | I remember one time, I got to the interview stage of the process, went in and met with the guy, and it was obvious that I knew way more about what was going on than he did. seems they were looking for someone for *him* to mentor. I didn't get the job. :-/ |
| 17:34.28 | keldwud | with little to no work experience |
| 17:34.54 | jlp_znc | "um, hi, I are looking for job?!" |
| 17:35.04 | keldwud | lol |
| 17:35.07 | keldwud | yeah, like that :) |
| 17:35.12 | keldwud | I'll just play dumb |
| 17:35.20 | T4rku5 | http://www.standard.net/stories/2014/01/13/which-religious-leader-was-swivel-hips-his-college-yearbook |
| 17:35.53 | jlp_znc | well, I know you can get desperate pretty quick... when it gets looking like flipping burgers is a good option |
| 17:43.44 | youtah | Jayce^ fozzmoo jsmith neybar_work .... Bluehost has a Draper office location? |
| 17:43.57 | youtah | That's where the Perl Mongers meeting is going to be at?> |
| 17:44.08 | neybar_work | yes. |
| 17:44.16 | youtah | but .... |
| 17:44.22 | youtah | points in multiple directions |
| 17:44.24 | youtah | orem.... |
| 17:44.33 | neybar_work | orem, provo and draper |
| 17:44.51 | youtah | and virginia, the mothership? |
| 17:45.02 | keldwud | oh bluehost. y u no love me |
| 17:45.07 | neybar_work | virginia is an anomoly |
| 17:45.11 | keldwud | maybe I should try for the sysadmin position again |
| 17:45.23 | youtah | rofl, ouch! jsmith ..... you going to take that kind of abuse? |
| 17:45.28 | neybar_work | the sys admins are primarily in provo |
| 17:45.38 | keldwud | I live in provo :) |
| 17:45.52 | youtah | and the good looking ones in Orem? |
| 17:46.02 | youtah | using deduction... |
| 17:46.03 | neybar_work | well of course |
| 17:46.06 | keldwud | they have to be, they deal with the customers |
| 17:47.59 | youtah | Someone wants me to volunteer for Sundance |
| 17:48.07 | youtah | aint nobody got time for dat! |
| 17:48.20 | keldwud | isn't it paid volunteer? |
| 17:48.28 | keldwud | they pay pretty decently, iirc |
| 17:48.40 | keldwud | ooh ooh! I HAVE TIME FOR DAT! |
| 17:48.46 | keldwud | :) |
| 17:49.15 | youtah | I just asked him |
| 17:49.15 | youtah | non-paid |
| 17:49.15 | youtah | you just get into the parties free |
| 17:49.29 | keldwud | hmm |
| 17:49.31 | keldwud | that's also valuable |
| 17:49.47 | joshh | maybe you can meet kim kardashian and ask to be her jr sysadmin |
| 17:49.50 | keldwud | because then I could hand my non-existent cards to rich people who need an admin |
| 17:49.56 | keldwud | joshh: jinx :) |
| 17:50.20 | yukaia-work | youtah: really? My friend is working the party thing and he makes bank big time. |
| 17:50.32 | yukaia-work | not to mention all of the free stuff he gets from meeting celebrities. |
| 17:50.57 | youtah | "non paid I'm afriad. I don't have rule over that." |
| 17:51.08 | youtah | "er... surely we're missing the definition of the word. lol" |
| 17:51.40 | youtah | He said they're looking for "General dogs bodies" |
| 17:51.48 | youtah | lol, however you want to view that |
| 17:54.42 | unum | keldwud: no we're a competitor of opinionology |
| 17:54.50 | keldwud | oh cool |
| 17:55.04 | unum | actually opinionology is owned by SSI which was a weird thing for them to do |
| 17:55.05 | keldwud | I might actually want to check it out in a couple weeks if I can't find anything |
| 17:55.16 | unum | customers generally dislike competing with their own vendor |
| 17:55.52 | unum | is anyone else going to see the Aaron Swartz movie? |
| 17:58.28 | keldwud | what's that? |
| 18:08.09 | unum | it a documentary about Aaron Swartz that debuting at sundance |
| 18:10.30 | jxqz | so, how does one set the topic in here? |
| 18:13.37 | jxqz | I changed the thing about openwest several months ago |
| 18:13.52 | jxqz | since then, topic changes have become restricted to channel ops |
| 18:13.58 | jxqz | ~topic |
| 18:15.12 | jxqz | ~topic list |
| 18:16.11 | jxqz | lame |
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| 19:04.05 | jxqz | man, I hate scripting in shell |
| 19:04.58 | jxqz | unum: get me some tickets and I'll go :) |
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| 19:52.41 | youtah | utahcon & dremex_work are you guys going to the SKIPHP Conference? |
| 19:52.58 | youtah | https://www.skiphp.com/index.php |
| 19:55.21 | dremex_work | I would like to but I don't have $200 to blow on it |
| 19:55.45 | dremex_work | You? |
| 19:55.52 | youtah | I retweeted your companies tweet this morning btw :-) |
| 19:56.03 | youtah | No, I'm not going to it. Too late, too last minute. |
| 19:56.32 | dremex_work | Good news btw, that bug you reported (emails being sent out of order) is finally in the current sprint to be fixed |
| 19:58.03 | youtah | Woot! |
| 20:02.32 | Migs | oh man, that looks like a good conference |
| 20:02.44 | Migs | and I can get the edu discount! sweet! |
| 20:04.09 | Migs | is this the first year SKIPHP has been put on? |
| 20:04.15 | Migs | I've never heard of this one before |
| 20:05.20 | youtah | I had never heard of it either until now |
| 20:05.29 | dremex_work | I think they had a conference last year as well |
| 20:05.29 | youtah | I saw it on supernova's facebook timeline |
| 20:05.40 | youtah | I told her she was in big trouble for not notifying me |
| 20:06.23 | Migs | probably won't be able to go this year, but made a reminder in my calendar for next year |
| 20:06.48 | youtah | Yeah, ditto |
| 20:07.05 | youtah | Although we could probably all just show up for kicks and giggles at the Belgium Waffle on Friday |
| 20:07.19 | dremex_work | Go on... |
| 20:07.36 | youtah | *thursday night |
| 20:08.41 | youtah | "The night before the conference, join us for the traditional UPHPU meetup at the Belgian Waffle in Midvale, sponsored by Bluehost." |
| 20:09.01 | youtah | https://www.skiphp.com/mingle/waffle |
| 20:09.18 | dremex_work | nom |
| 20:09.39 | youtah | Precisely |
| 20:10.06 | T4rku5 | $200? |
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| 20:10.13 | T4rku5 | :( |
| 20:10.42 | Migs | what happens at a typical UPHPU meetup? |
| 20:10.52 | youtah | no idea |
| 20:10.54 | Migs | bunch of nerds arguing? |
| 20:11.00 | youtah | supernovia!!!! Welcome! |
| 20:11.02 | Migs | does PHP even get discussed? |
| 20:11.10 | supernovia | O hai |
| 20:11.15 | Migs | supernovia: hai2u 2 |
| 20:11.28 | youtah | Migs, did you see the schedule? |
| 20:11.30 | youtah | https://www.skiphp.com/attend/schedule |
| 20:11.32 | Migs | ya |
| 20:11.42 | Migs | looks like some great sessions |
| 20:11.50 | supernovia | Dude. Typical uphpu meetings are awesome. UPHPU is the best ug in all the land. |
| 20:11.56 | Migs | supernovia: 4srs? |
| 20:12.02 | supernovia | Yes! |
| 20:12.05 | Migs | fast cars and hot women? |
| 20:12.16 | youtah | explosions and bacon? |
| 20:12.34 | Migs | x-treme php...coding while skydiving |
| 20:12.36 | supernovia | more like, cool topics and awesome people |
| 20:12.39 | youtah | Michael Bay and Kevin Bacon?! |
| 20:12.51 | Migs | awesome people like Kevin Bacon? |
| 20:13.01 | youtah | I'm 2 degrees |
| 20:13.08 | Migs | oh |
| 20:13.14 | Migs | what kind of topics? |
| 20:13.34 | Migs | I mean, I use PHP every day, but I'm not sure I want to go to a waffle house and yak about it |
| 20:14.05 | Migs | why should I, a web developer who uses PHP, attend a UPHPU meetup? |
| 20:14.33 | supernovia | so http://uphpu.org/ ... |
| 20:14.45 | youtah | lol |
| 20:15.00 | supernovia | those are the topics. ^ :) good stuff. And awesome people, right youtah? |
| 20:15.28 | youtah | It was fun last time I went |
| 20:15.31 | supernovia | we don't usually talk about php at the afterparty quite as much. that's more .. awesome people time. |
| 20:15.47 | supernovia | I need to figure out how to transport myself to the meeting this month. |
| 20:16.15 | Migs | hmmm, maybe I should check it out |
| 20:16.33 | youtah | Too last minute for me, wish I had seen it sooner. :-( |
| 20:16.59 | youtah | Hey, wait.... macnewbold is talking too.... why hasn't he said anything in here. |
| 20:17.03 | youtah | He's in trouble too |
| 20:17.36 | Migs | I kind of wish SkiPHP wasn't on a Saturday, too. |
| 20:17.43 | Migs | I'd rather go during the weekdays |
| 20:17.49 | supernovia | Go on Friday |
| 20:17.58 | Migs | yeah, but there's sessions I want to go to on Saturday |
| 20:18.03 | youtah | David Stokes. Why does that name sound so familiar? |
| 20:18.08 | Migs | but...it's Saturday |
| 20:18.15 | Migs | that's my day OFF |
| 20:18.21 | tomstokes | I'm not related |
| 20:18.27 | Migs | what's the 7:30pm code-a-thon? |
| 20:18.33 | Migs | I mean, I can guess what it is, but what is it exactly? |
| 20:18.49 | youtah | lol tomstokes |
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| 20:27.30 | supernovia | check with fozzmoo when he's around Migs, he knows all the things about SkiPHP |
| 20:27.52 | fozzmoo | I do? |
| 20:28.29 | goozbach | :) |
| 20:28.35 | shalkie | hey, supernovia. Hi! |
| 20:28.46 | supernovia | o hai shalkie! |
| 20:29.39 | supernovia | sorry I'm not around much. this whole homeschooling the kids while working full time keeps me hopping |
| 20:31.05 | youtah | fozzmoo is in on this too?!?!?! |
| 20:31.14 | fozzmoo | No, not really. |
| 20:31.16 | youtah | Oh man, I feel like this was a huge conspiracy! |
| 20:31.32 | supernovia | s/while working full time/while working full time thing/ |
| 20:31.35 | fozzmoo | I was going to be there taking video, but Deseret Digital Media has shoved me out of the way. |
| 20:31.37 | rsimpkins | supernovia: That's got to be tough. How many children do you have at home? |
| 20:31.59 | supernovia | Two right now. I'm dating someone who has four though so .. this could get interesting |
| 20:32.42 | supernovia | fozzmoo: d'oh! |
| 20:32.53 | Migs | http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PUKMUZ4tlJg |
| 20:32.56 | rsimpkins | fozzmoo: Who kicked you out where? |
| 20:33.13 | supernovia | Migs: |
| 20:33.19 | fozzmoo | It's probably for the best. Nobody wants to watch videos from a PHP conference where there's some guy behind the camera dissing PHP the whole time. |
| 20:33.30 | supernovia | I'd just seen that. creeped both kids out. (yeah this is the stuff we learn about at "homeschool") |
| 20:33.44 | Migs | hahaha |
| 20:33.47 | Migs | awesome! |
| 20:34.24 | supernovia | you'd be dissin php the whole time fozzmoo? |
| 20:35.19 | goozbach | http://rackstuds.com/ |
| 20:37.48 | eightyeight | what?! people diss php? i find that hard to believe |
| 20:38.13 | eightyeight | why would people diss a language that has such a long history of insecurity? |
| 20:38.58 | goozbach | supernovia: your own brady bunch huh? |
| 20:39.03 | eightyeight | or riddled with bugs? or designed by a developer who admitted he didn't know how to program? |
| 20:39.03 | goozbach | well not quite brady bunch |
| 20:40.02 | fozzmoo | supernovia: Yup. Just like I have since I quit doing anything with PHP in 1997. |
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| 20:40.17 | fozzmoo | What eightyeight said. ;-) |
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| 20:42.42 | supernovia | Oh gosh. Sorry fozzmoo! I haven't been here nearly enough & spaced the handles - I was thinking of fridgesm who .. isn't here |
| 20:43.08 | fozzmoo | Yeah. fridgesm would know EVERYTHING about SkiPHP since he's the chief organizer. |
| 20:43.17 | supernovia | you're two people who I know better by your IRL names than by your IRC handles. |
| 20:43.51 | goozbach | you people have real names? |
| 20:43.59 | goozbach | boggles |
| 20:45.07 | youtah | lol |
| 20:45.37 | youtah | I think I've passed the IRL Names vs Handles threshold for Jayce^ & fozzmoo as well |
| 20:45.37 | supernovia | oh and yah goozbach, something like a brady bunch. Can't even figure out how to get a table for 8 in this kitchen yet |
| 20:45.41 | Tene | I always called fozzmoo "fozz" in person, as I recall. |
| 20:46.17 | fozzmoo | nods |
| 20:46.25 | youtah | I am eating SO MUCH bacon. right. now. |
| 20:46.30 | goozbach | I don't think I've called fozzmoo anything but fozz |
| 20:46.35 | fozzmoo | youtah: I'm losing weight. Right. now. |
| 20:46.46 | supernovia | it's kinda weird when people call me supernovia in person. |
| 20:47.09 | youtah | I wish people would just call me period |
| 20:47.14 | youtah | hangs his head low |
| 20:47.15 | supernovia | hey, period. |
| 20:47.23 | youtah | lol |
| 20:47.23 | Tene | 12:40 < fozzmoo> supernovia: Yup. Just like I have since I quit doing anything with PHP in 1997. -- We took on a few PHP contracts at Iodynamics, didn't we? Wasn't SugarCRM PHP? |
| 20:47.53 | fozzmoo | Tene: Yeah. I made you do that. I stayed away. Far away. |
| 20:48.04 | Tene | Oh, right, I remember that now. Heh heh heh. |
| 20:48.09 | fozzmoo | :) |
| 20:48.32 | fozzmoo | I remember you howling and moaning about how awful that code was. |
| 20:48.41 | Tene | Yeah, sounds like me. |
| 20:48.51 | fozzmoo | You were pretty incredulous. |
| 20:49.06 | Tene | I had so much to learn. |
| 20:54.18 | Jayce^ | we've got most people here at work refering to fozzmoo as fozz, not doran.. |
| 20:54.39 | Jayce^ | even those that don't say it, still know what who we're talking about right away |
| 20:54.40 | goozbach | who's doran? |
| 20:55.05 | goozbach | I more redily respond to 'gooz' or 'goozbach' than derek |
| 20:55.25 | Tene | goozbach: fozz's secret spy name he uses when interacting with the government. |
| 20:55.25 | Jayce^ | goozbach: think about it, we met via fozz, and I think we were introduced by our handles.. |
| 20:55.52 | youtah | Can I be referred to as Nachos? |
| 20:55.54 | youtah | or Bacon? |
| 20:56.08 | fozzmoo | Hot Spicy Nachos, of course. |
| 20:56.19 | youtah | ^ |
| 20:56.22 | youtah | HSN |
| 20:58.17 | goozbach | Jayce^: I think you're right |
| 20:58.21 | goozbach | but didn't we meet here? |
| 20:58.25 | goozbach | on this very channel? |
| 20:58.36 | Jayce^ | no, it was at an xmission install-fest |
| 20:58.53 | goozbach | wow that was a while ago |
| 20:58.57 | Jayce^ | not sure if you were in #utah yet way back then |
| 20:59.02 | fozzmoo | reminisces |
| 20:59.29 | fozzmoo | met goozbach on the FSLC IRC server at USU |
| 20:59.34 | goozbach | I was in #linux over on FSLC |
| 21:01.31 | jxqz | ~nacho |
| 21:01.31 | infobot | Tonight I wrestle the seven strongest men in town, maybe the world. |
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| 21:22.14 | shalkie | supernovia: I saw the post that you were going to do that. I hope it is going well for you (homeschooling and all) |
| 21:23.05 | supernovia | Yup it is for the most part. The winter break and an old computer that finally died have us messed up right now, but we'll get back into the swing of things |
| 21:23.33 | supernovia | for now - off to eat food and celebrate! (My newest niece doesn't need a bone marrow transplant!) |
| 21:23.36 | shalkie | You even have a winter break? Nice. :-) |
| 21:23.51 | shalkie | Woohoo! :-) |
| 21:23.52 | supernovia | Yeah the kids took it the same time as their school mates :) |
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| 21:31.14 | fozzmoo | ~lart jnbek |
| 21:31.14 | infobot | beats the living hamstercrap out of jnbek |
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| 21:43.36 | tylerdmace | how's everyone today |
| 21:43.53 | T4rku5 | not bad for a Friday |
| 21:44.21 | tylerdmace | how is it for a Tuesday? |
| 21:45.15 | T4rku5 | Oh crap |
| 21:47.22 | jlp_znc | Migs: devil baby was ... awesome! |
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| 22:08.10 | unum | that snuck up on me |
| 22:08.41 | shalkie | devil baby snuck up on you, unum? |
| 22:09.54 | unum | no, I was reading the backlog skiphp |
| 22:10.03 | unum | I thought it was next month |
| 22:10.11 | shalkie | btw, if it didn't hit your favorite mail list yet: http://openwest.org/cfp |
| 22:10.51 | shalkie | Wasn't it this past weekend? |
| 22:11.41 | shalkie | Oh, I guess it is this weekend. |
| 22:22.41 | Migs | jlp_znc: inorite? |
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| 22:41.36 | harleypig | Is there a way to display the option values for an ext4 filesystem? |
| 22:48.55 | fugue88 | harleypig: dumpe2fs? |
| 22:49.30 | harleypig | I just found that ... but I'm not seeing what I'm looking for. |
| 22:49.34 | fugue88 | harleypig: /etc/mke2fsconf? |
| 22:49.40 | fugue88 | .conf, that is. |
| 22:49.42 | harleypig | I'm trying to determine whether or not barrier=1 or 0 |
| 22:49.47 | fugue88 | Oh. |
| 22:49.50 | nage | tune2fs -l ? |
| 22:50.33 | fugue88 | harleypig: Might be displayed in /proc/mounts |
| 22:51.08 | harleypig | nage tune2fs -l gives me the same output as dump2efs |
| 22:51.20 | nage | saw that (man page description) |
| 22:51.28 | harleypig | fugue88: it's not, it only has what was explicitly set, not any of the default settings. |
| 22:52.23 | fugue88 | I used to *have* to set barrier=1 on one drive, but I don't have that config anymore, so I can't test anything. :( |
| 22:52.27 | harleypig | <PROTECTED> |
| 22:52.55 | harleypig | Well, according to https://www.kernel.org/doc/Documentation/filesystems/ext4.txt it's suppsed to be on by default, but I need to be able to prove it. |
| 22:53.15 | fugue88 | I think the default has changed with different kernel versions, too. |
| 22:53.35 | fungus | doh. I just learned the hard way that "pkill -v " does not mean verbose. |
| 22:53.36 | harleypig | Or else submit a ticket, create a branch, add it manually, commit the branch and make a p ull request. |
| 22:53.42 | harleypig | :D |
| 22:53.47 | fugue88 | eek |
| 22:54.18 | harleypig | so your system is rebooting now? |
| 22:54.23 | harleypig | or just dead in the water? |
| 22:54.56 | fungus | just dead. |
| 22:55.32 | fungus | Good thing it was only semi-production, and a virtual machine, so it was easy to recover from. |
| 22:55.49 | fungus | But I learned something new. That's good, right? |
| 22:57.16 | harleypig | Right. :] |
| 22:59.51 | harleypig | Hmmm ... so, tune2fs -l | grep 'Default mount options' appears to be what I need ... but it would really be nice to have a report that explicitly stated '(no)barrier' or 'barrier=(0|1)' |
| 23:01.59 | youtah | http://imgur.com/gallery/T0ZAe |
| 23:02.45 | fugue88 | I've been playing with a dummy ext4 fs mounted on loopback. I can't find anything either. |
| 23:05.01 | harleypig | if I run tune2fs -o nobarrier then 'nobarrier' shows up in tune2fs -l |
| 23:05.12 | harleypig | So I'm going to assume that barrier is set by default. |
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| 23:05.34 | fugue88 | That's specific to ext4 I think. ext3, at least on my system, defaults to nobarrier. |
| 23:05.51 | fugue88 | Then, anything in /etc/fstab or a mount command can override those, right? |
| 23:06.23 | youtah | Tribal Seeds is going to be at The Depot Jan 24th |
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| 23:37.13 | harleypig | fugue88: yes, from what I can tell. But since I'm on a ext4 system I'm good. |
| 23:41.20 | youtah | http://www.infowars.com/law-student-takes-cop-to-school-after-being-illegally-stopped-for-carrying-gun/ |
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