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| 10:59.58 | *** topic/#utah is Utah related discussion including user groups | logs @ http://ibot.rikers.org/%23utah/ | See also ##lds | OpenWest Conference sometime 2014! openwest.org | https://fiber.google.com/cities/provo/ |
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| 15:31.11 | jxqz | ~napoleon |
| 15:31.11 | infobot | Pedro offers you his protection. |
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| 16:01.00 | keldwud | omg google fiber, your chat service is unavailable? |
| 16:01.02 | keldwud | bah humbug |
| 16:01.23 | keldwud | I just want you to tell me that everything will be okay and that I can have internet before the end of January |
| 16:01.26 | keldwud | :( |
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| 16:17.07 | keldwud | "Effective January 1, 2014, the Social Security Administration will increase benefits due to an annual cost of living adjustment. Based on the information in your case, you may see a decrease in your Food Stamp, Financial or Child Care benefit" :( |
| 16:17.28 | keldwud | it's true. I'm getting $75 less for Child Care benefits |
| 16:19.06 | levi | Due to an increase in benefits, you are getting a decrease in benefits? |
| 16:19.12 | levi | Whee. |
| 16:19.28 | keldwud | yeah that one got me the first couple times I read it |
| 16:19.42 | keldwud | I bet they do that on purpose |
| 16:19.53 | keldwud | as I would assume most people on benefits are functionally illiterate |
| 16:20.03 | keldwud | so they would just read increase and feel good about it |
| 16:20.11 | jsmith | "Due to the fact that we've robbed Peter, we're not going to be able to pay Paul as much" |
| 16:20.56 | keldwud | it's also like not even a drop in the bucket to cut costs in the places they have been cutting costs in order to "generate" a trillion dollars |
| 16:21.17 | keldwud | but at least it prevents us from having to raise taxes, amirite? |
| 16:21.32 | tomstokes | Wait, how does an increase in benefits lead to a decrease in benefits? |
| 16:21.56 | keldwud | tomstokes: ask utah department of workforce services, man :) |
| 16:21.59 | levi | I'm guessing it's an overall increase in benefits, but part of it is paid for by decreasing benefits in some cases. |
| 16:22.20 | tomstokes | I wish that logic applied everywhere. |
| 16:22.41 | tomstokes | "Effective immediately, we're reducing employee compensation. As such, you're getting a raise." |
| 16:22.56 | keldwud | heh. |
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| 16:44.26 | keldwud | has anyone in provo seen google fiber yet? I saw a little google fiber vehicle driving down state street in south orem the other day, but that's baout it |
| 16:47.09 | d3c4f | aarobc's parent's have google fiber iirc |
| 16:48.44 | keldwud | nice |
| 16:50.25 | keldwud | oh man. I missed the zfs talk |
| 16:50.28 | keldwud | last month |
| 16:58.39 | eightyeight | you did |
| 16:59.01 | eightyeight | slides at http://aarontoponce.org/presents/zfs/ |
| 17:00.20 | d3c4f | delicious zfs |
| 17:00.22 | jxqz | ~pester eightyeight |
| 17:00.23 | infobot | eightyeight: Are we there yet? .. Are we there yet? .. Are we there yet? see http://beverlys.net/LJ/BuggingYou.swf |
| 17:00.48 | jxqz | maybe that should have been s/pester/tease/ |
| 17:01.09 | jxqz | most excellent zfs master/mojo |
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| 17:03.38 | tomstokes | I'm going to have to give ZFS on Linux a try here soon |
| 17:03.45 | tomstokes | Because I'm tired of OpenIndiana |
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| 17:05.14 | eightyeight | it's not 'perfect', but it's definitely production ready |
| 17:06.28 | tomstokes | Good to know. Production ready is good enough for me. |
| 17:08.28 | eightyeight | probably the Big Bug is that the ARC chews through your RAM until the kernel starts OOM killing |
| 17:08.33 | jxqz | is anything ever even 'perfect'? |
| 17:08.43 | tomstokes | That seems like a big bug |
| 17:08.52 | eightyeight | thankfully, you can hard limit the ARC with the zfs module |
| 17:09.05 | tomstokes | Oh okay, that's reasonable enough |
| 17:09.18 | tomstokes | Also good to know ahead of time. Thanks |
| 17:09.31 | eightyeight | http://ae7.st/p/088 |
| 17:09.35 | eightyeight | np |
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| 17:21.33 | keldwud | hey what was that group up north that does the linux training and what was their website? |
| 17:21.44 | keldwud | goozbach, didn't you develop a course? |
| 17:21.48 | jsmith | keldwud: gurulabs.com? |
| 17:22.15 | goozbach | keldwud: gurulabs.com is a former employer, yes |
| 17:22.32 | goozbach | I've also done a couple of courses for the Linux Foundation |
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| 17:32.06 | youtah | So. dremex_work .... how's your new baby? |
| 17:32.29 | jlp_znc | well, I don't think he's driven it yet. his wife likes it, though. :-) |
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| 17:33.07 | youtah | fozzmoo will be interested in dremex_work's new toy |
| 17:46.00 | jxqz | goozbachlabz |
| 17:46.10 | jxqz | band name |
| 17:46.12 | jxqz | I called it |
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| 17:46.28 | goozbach | dang! |
| 17:46.59 | goozbach | anyone want to give my resume a look over and tell me what they think? |
| 17:47.02 | goozbach | http://goozbach.github.io/resume/Derek_Carter-Systems_Administrator.html |
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| 18:05.29 | rsimpkin1 | goozbach: I've heard that stating objectives is a little old-school. Not sure if that is true. Resume trends are, um, difficult to keep on top of. |
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| 18:06.38 | rsimpkins | goozbach: To be perfectly frank, your experience section is a bit hard to read. |
| 18:06.54 | rsimpkins | goozbach: I recommend making a consistent high-class overview of your experience. |
| 18:07.56 | rsimpkins | goozbach: Also recommend stuffing certifications under qualifications. |
| 18:08.30 | rsimpkins | I look at quite a few SA resumes in a month. I would be glad to help with more specific recommendations in private. |
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| 18:22.53 | keldwud | gah |
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| 18:23.01 | keldwud | oh there's goozbach |
| 18:23.13 | goozbach | sorry, had to reboot |
| 18:23.18 | keldwud | I was going to ask if you could still keep me in mind for beta testing your newest course in spring |
| 18:23.21 | keldwud | or whenever it was |
| 18:24.39 | keldwud | Just found out I have to read my sysadmin books at home from now on :( |
| 18:24.46 | goozbach | why? |
| 18:25.48 | keldwud | because it doesn't directly relate to a specific task |
| 18:26.10 | goozbach | holy painful hiccups batman! |
| 18:26.14 | goozbach | ~boo |
| 18:26.14 | infobot | for heaven's sake, goozbach, don't do that! |
| 18:26.18 | goozbach | ~scare goozbach |
| 18:26.19 | infobot | ACTION puts on a hockey mask and jumps out at goozbach |
| 18:26.20 | keldwud | ohnm, it was a course on udemy that I was thinking about |
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| 18:26.42 | keldwud | c# |
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| 18:27.42 | keldwud | but yeah, my systems administration books are no longer work related... |
| 18:27.43 | keldwud | ? |
| 18:27.55 | keldwud | because it is general knowledge and not task related |
| 18:28.07 | keldwud | I should be doing all of my learning at home |
| 18:28.08 | keldwud | not on the job |
| 18:28.19 | keldwud | :( |
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| 18:51.09 | jxqz | goozbach, (gurus et al): I hijack your certified knowledge for a moment |
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| 18:51.36 | jxqz | is there an official way to query a 'linux' system about bonding state? |
| 18:52.12 | jxqz | like, sysctl, or check the existence of /proc/net/bonding, or parse if bond or whatever? |
| 18:53.05 | jxqz | s/hijack/command/ |
| 18:53.09 | goozbach | ifconfig is one half of the question |
| 18:53.28 | jxqz | s/question/battle/ |
| 18:53.52 | jxqz | what mean ye? |
| 18:54.04 | goozbach | ifconfig bond0 |
| 18:54.49 | jxqz | s/ifconfig/ip link/ |
| 18:54.52 | jxqz | ? |
| 18:55.11 | jxqz | :) # iproute2 having been around since, like 2.2 and all |
| 18:55.39 | jxqz | saw once that iproute2 is supposed to repl ifconfig |
| 18:55.43 | jxqz | whatever that means |
| 18:55.58 | jxqz | besides `ip link bond?` |
| 18:56.08 | goozbach | not certian |
| 18:56.19 | goozbach | but yeah iproute2 is the new way of doing it |
| 18:56.33 | jxqz | or is that `ip link bond\d+` |
| 18:57.10 | jxqz | but then, newer (>= 3.11) kernels have totally different device naming conventions |
| 18:57.12 | jxqz | sigh |
| 18:58.56 | jxqz | s/eth/en1sp95/ or something |
| 19:07.11 | goozbach | that naming scheme is a PITA |
| 19:11.33 | jlp_znc | keldwud: remind me where you work again? I want to make sure never to work there. |
| 19:15.54 | jxqz | heh |
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| 19:23.25 | rsimpkins | goozbach: FWIW, I responded to your request. |
| 19:23.36 | rsimpkins | Perhaps you had dropped off and didn't see it. |
| 19:23.41 | goozbach | rsimpkins: I did drop off |
| 19:24.01 | goozbach | fugue88: sent me an email |
| 19:24.27 | rsimpkins | goozbach: Long story short, I look at quite a few SA resumes in a month. I also regularly interview Sr. Linux SA candidates at Adobe. I'd be glad to offer any advice I can in private. |
| 19:41.22 | youtah | jlp_znc, http://pages.getpebble.com/pages/replacement-cable << no https & certificate error if I type it in myself |
| 19:41.24 | joshh | rsimpkins: what kind of stuff do you ask/look for? |
| 19:41.39 | joshh | some places care about low level trivia, others only care about automation knowledge, etc |
| 19:43.13 | rsimpkins | joshh: Depends on the desired position and what we have open. If we only have a Jr. slot open, I'm going to be looking for a good Jr. fit. I don't expect a Jr. to know low level trivia. |
| 19:43.21 | jlp_znc | youtah: look at the cert and see what the error is... maybe they are using a self-signed cert? also, msg them on #pebble and complain about it. |
| 19:43.37 | rsimpkins | joshh: If we have a very Sr. position open, then I expect you to know the names of Linus Torvalds children, and what his favorite beer is. |
| 19:43.39 | youtah | Yeah, I sent it to them on #pebble |
| 19:43.41 | youtah | no response yet |
| 19:43.53 | joshh | i know the name of his wife, but that's it |
| 19:44.08 | jlp_znc | rsimpkins: how about dennis's or ken's children? would that suffice? |
| 19:44.14 | rsimpkins | joshh: Do you know what sport she has won awards in? |
| 19:44.19 | joshh | yes |
| 19:44.34 | rsimpkins | joshh: You'd probably pass as ultimate fanboi material then. ;-) |
| 19:44.54 | joshh | lets just say i wouldn't try to jack her purse |
| 19:44.59 | rsimpkins | No doubt. |
| 19:46.47 | joshh | http://catb.org/~esr/faqs/linus/ |
| 19:46.52 | joshh | that has the answers |
| 19:47.09 | joshh | i respect his choice of guinness |
| 19:49.49 | youtah | jlp_znc, we had better not let spangborn find out about this |
| 19:50.02 | youtah | he'll jump in #pebble and rip them a new ssl cert |
| 19:50.35 | jlp_znc | new Pebble Steel announced |
| 19:50.41 | youtah | yeah, I saw that |
| 19:50.45 | youtah | it looks so freaking slick |
| 19:50.51 | jlp_znc | with gorilla glass |
| 19:51.25 | jlp_znc | I think they should give us kickstarters a big discount |
| 19:53.31 | jlp_znc | tri-color led... is that for the backlight? |
| 19:54.59 | youtah | they didn't take the bait in #pebble |
| 19:55.07 | youtah | I think they're ignoring me |
| 19:55.33 | jlp_znc | they're all busy watching the CES broadcast |
| 19:55.43 | youtah | *sigh* |
| 19:57.03 | jlp_znc | ahh, LED indicates charge status |
| 19:57.34 | jlp_znc | I like the black matte steel one |
| 19:57.51 | youtah | I think the silver with a leather watch... Boom! |
| 20:02.51 | youtah | http://www.geek.com/apps/coinye-west-a-new-cryptocurrency-designed-for-normals-1581190/ |
| 20:09.37 | jxqz | why would you do this: var=( $(echo "${var}") ) |
| 20:10.24 | youtah | you're listening to Daft Punk sing "around the world around the world..." and you're feeling loopy? |
| 20:10.43 | youtah | that's a good question for jlp_znc |
| 20:11.17 | jlp_znc | you want the contents of $var to be bursted out to an array? |
| 20:11.33 | jxqz | it appears to only return the first word in $var |
| 20:11.52 | jxqz | jlp_znc: I thought that that would happen though. Maybe I'm doing it wrong |
| 20:12.11 | jlp_znc | is this code you are writing or code you are reading? :-) |
| 20:12.37 | jxqz | how about both? ;) |
| 20:13.43 | jxqz | oh, I need to do $var[@] or something |
| 20:13.56 | jxqz | oh shell, why have we met again? |
| 20:14.53 | jxqz | s/$/#/ # sigh |
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| 20:23.47 | youtah | This is for harleypig (NSFW Audio & plenty of F-bombs) http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=31Jg4GaDojo |
| 20:24.23 | youtah | I am guessing it is one of the Japanese video games |
| 20:26.19 | youtah | I am ashamed to admit I watched the full thing |
| 20:27.20 | youtah | The audio is horrible. I warned you |
| 21:31.14 | hjp_beta_ | too bad pair ski jumping isn't really a thing |
| 21:46.15 | ldav15_ | hjp_beta_: pair ski jumping sounds possibly dangerous to me, like other possible "synchronized" sports. |
| 21:46.23 | ldav15_ | synchronized golf... |
| 21:55.28 | ldav15_ | synchronized bowling might be doable |
| 21:56.16 | ldav15_ | then there's this: https://plus.google.com/u/0/s/bridge%20swing |
| 22:03.23 | youtah | http://imgur.com/gallery/QGPoPIq |
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| 23:07.58 | keldwud | jlp_znc: oh I was just being whiny. I'm sure I'm probably overexaggerating or something |
| 23:08.23 | keldwud | I actually love working here |
| 23:08.41 | keldwud | I just think they misunderstand the time I try to spend on learning systems |
| 23:08.53 | keldwud | or I misunderstand priorities |
| 23:08.59 | keldwud | probably the latter, as I'm a noob and a jr |
| 23:17.07 | keldwud | hey doesn't gurulabs have a page for "scholarships" or something? |
| 23:19.09 | keldwud | ouch. I was thinking, hey, maybe I should just pay out of pocket for some courses |
| 23:19.17 | keldwud | until I realized I need about 10 grand |
| 23:21.20 | keldwud | how *do* people come up with that much money anyway? do they save up over time? |
| 23:21.28 | tomstokes | They have their company pay for it |
| 23:21.39 | keldwud | lol |
| 23:21.43 | tomstokes | Seriously. |
| 23:21.47 | keldwud | oh :( |
| 23:22.06 | keldwud | but I'd have to be good enough for somebody to want to pay that much money for me |
| 23:22.18 | keldwud | but if I were worth that much money, I would already have that knowledge that the classes provide |
| 23:22.21 | keldwud | so confused |
| 23:22.36 | keldwud | forever selfstudy |
| 23:22.40 | jlp_znc | many jobs come with some amount of "training budget". that's a good question to ask during the interview |
| 23:22.51 | jlp_znc | I've often used mine for attending conferences |
| 23:23.07 | joshh | companies send their windows people there because it's really not that much money for them, less than hiring new people |
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| 23:23.32 | keldwud | yeah, we just hired a sr admin instead of paying for training |
| 23:24.40 | tomstokes | keldwud: I'm late to the conversation. What are you hoping to get training in? |
| 23:24.51 | keldwud | oh linux stuff |
| 23:25.08 | keldwud | linux fundamentals, shell scripting, enterprise system administration, troubleshooting |
| 23:25.12 | keldwud | networking |
| 23:25.17 | keldwud | everything :) |
| 23:25.28 | keldwud | php |
| 23:25.31 | tomstokes | I've never used it, but how about this: http://training.linuxfoundation.org/free-linux-training/linux-training-videos |
| 23:25.39 | keldwud | oh yeah |
| 23:25.40 | wukong | books, lots of books |
| 23:25.43 | tomstokes | Also, EC2 has a free tier for your first 12 months |
| 23:25.45 | keldwud | I've browsed through there before |
| 23:25.52 | tomstokes | Sign up, start a micro instance, and use that as a base to learn on |
| 23:26.01 | tomstokes | http://aws.amazon.com/free/ |
| 23:26.03 | keldwud | I've already used up my 12 months |
| 23:26.30 | keldwud | and I've 400 something machines to learn on |
| 23:26.40 | keldwud | just was trying to take it to the next level |
| 23:27.00 | keldwud | self study route kind of takes a bit longer for me than formal instruction |
| 23:28.02 | joshh | imo best thing you can do is self study + on job learning + training for specific subjects from there |
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| 23:29.30 | wukong | even after some formal instruction you typically need some self-study and/or hacks once you get past generalities and get into specifics |
| 23:29.49 | wukong | at least, that's been my experience |
| 23:32.29 | keldwud | ooh, lm-sensors |
| 23:32.32 | keldwud | checks it out |
| 23:32.46 | keldwud | damn. not a default package |
| 23:33.55 | keldwud | http://www.linux.com/learn/tutorials/620416:discovering-and-monitoring-hardware-in-linux- |
| 23:36.09 | keldwud | I'm reading man pages at work, don't tell anyone :) |
| 23:36.36 | jlp_znc | :-) |
| 23:43.17 | keldwud | hmm.. I think I want to go home from my sysadmin job so that I can read more about how to sysadmin |
| 23:43.27 | keldwud | ;) |
| 23:43.57 | keldwud | I'm sure they didn't mean it that way, I'm just being a sarcastic ass and acting butthurt that I can't waste time reading unix/linux systems administrator handbook at work anymore |
| 23:44.12 | keldwud | nor the practice of system and network administration |
| 23:45.40 | keldwud | that PLUG meeting on the 21st, that is at 730 at UVU, no? |
| 23:45.49 | keldwud | for the linux security class |
| 23:54.24 | keldwud | ohshi |
| 23:54.31 | keldwud | Mondays are early out days...... |
| 23:54.35 | keldwud | facepalms |
| 23:54.46 | keldwud | hope my daughter can forgive me |
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