| 00:00.47 | youtah | yeah, ultra sad |
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| 00:05.47 | jnbek | when i lived in New Mexico and later in the Mojave, I used to complain something awful about the winds.... now that I've lived here for 10 years.... I will never EVER complain about a winf storm again, lol |
| 00:06.04 | youtah | lol jnbek |
| 00:14.10 | keldwud | I always feel soo awesome when I do something tech related and get it right |
| 00:14.17 | keldwud | without messing up |
| 00:14.21 | keldwud | even if it is something simple |
| 00:14.30 | keldwud | like removing a router from a chain of routers |
| 00:14.40 | keldwud | and putting the public IP on the new router |
| 00:14.50 | keldwud | and then seeing that the whole office still has connectivity |
| 00:14.57 | keldwud | with a downtime of only 10 minutes |
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| 04:13.57 | levi | Oooh, the Scheme steering committee ratified r7rs-small. |
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| 05:55.31 | bonez2046 | keldwud: still around? |
| 05:58.09 | bonez2046 | I am trying to figure out how to dd a partition on a laptop with win8 installed, where I booted that machine with ubuntu live cd...the partition has an error: ntfs_mst_post_read_warm: magic: 0cffffffff size: 1024 |
| 05:58.21 | bonez2046 | there's more... |
| 06:05.22 | bonez2046 | ne1 around? |
| 06:06.28 | bonez2046 | I am stuck |
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| 06:29.43 | klys | can you mount it as ntfs ? |
| 06:30.30 | klys | if you still can, and just can't boot it, boot the windows iso with qemu or burned. |
| 06:31.08 | klys | there should be a page at micro$oft about recovery with the cd. |
| 06:33.56 | bonez2046 | I can't mount it |
| 06:34.06 | bonez2046 | I am going to try running testdisk on it |
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| 06:34.30 | bonez2046 | I run gparted and it finds/detects the drive, but there are errors on the drive |
| 06:34.47 | klys | what did you resize it with? not gparted? |
| 06:39.02 | bonez2046 | I haven't resized anything |
| 06:39.14 | bonez2046 | the drive just stopped working a couple days ago |
| 06:39.36 | bonez2046 | worked when my son went to bed, and failed, in looped diagnostic testing the next day |
| 06:39.53 | bonez2046 | I run gparted just to see if it can detect the drive |
| 06:56.47 | bonez2046 | any other ideas? |
| 06:57.16 | bonez2046 | I can't seem to find 'testdisk' to apt-get install... |
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| 16:02.21 | manithree | unum: It's still quite a jump to go from "some party members disagree with some things in the platforms" to "it's only a label" implying that party affiliation can never be used as predictor for policy stances |
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| 17:28.38 | unum | hmm bitcoin is supposedly deflationary, I guess you never want to borrow money in that currency..... |
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| 17:47.40 | ink | bitcoin is a bad currency for many reasons |
| 17:56.27 | fozzmoo | Well, YOUR FACE is bad currency! |
| 17:56.47 | kim27 | its true, faces aren't very good currency |
| 18:00.05 | OldCoder | smiles are good umbrellas though |
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| 18:06.23 | jxqz | yum install kmod-catalyst --> No package kmod-catalyst available. :( |
| 18:07.14 | jxqz | so, all the fedora tutorials to install ati drivers refer to these packages that don't exist |
| 18:07.26 | goozbach | jxqz: do you have rpmfusion repo configured? |
| 18:07.35 | jxqz | goozbach: yes |
| 18:07.50 | goozbach | doublecheck with yum repolist |
| 18:08.37 | jxqz | goozbach: rpmfusion free and nonfree there |
| 18:11.43 | goozbach | hmmm |
| 18:12.09 | jxqz | all the catalysts I get are for some perl stuffs |
| 18:13.01 | keldwud | omg. last week I made a your face joke to my daughter |
| 18:13.06 | keldwud | she said "I love x" |
| 18:13.11 | keldwud | and I said "I love your face!" |
| 18:13.23 | keldwud | and she's been getting into this escalation thing where it gets crazier and crazier |
| 18:13.46 | keldwud | from face to body to just any thing personal |
| 18:13.54 | keldwud | so I said again, "I love your face" |
| 18:14.00 | keldwud | and we are at a restaurant. in public |
| 18:14.05 | keldwud | she shouts out "I LOVE YOUR PENIS!" |
| 18:14.11 | keldwud | omg I turned so fucking red |
| 18:14.15 | keldwud | and got scared |
| 18:14.28 | goozbach | hah! |
| 18:14.35 | keldwud | it was horrible |
| 18:14.42 | keldwud | I told her never to say that again |
| 18:15.04 | keldwud | now I know why other parents don't call a penis a penis or a vagina a vagina |
| 18:15.08 | keldwud | because kids pull shit like that |
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| 18:16.55 | jxqz | I'm guessing that ati just doesn't care about linux support |
| 18:17.14 | jxqz | there are plenty of nvidia stuff, but no ati or amd packages |
| 18:17.42 | jxqz | and the open source driver suxorz so bad it spazzes artifacts all over the screen |
| 18:17.43 | goozbach | try and download it from rpm.pbone.net |
| 18:20.22 | jxqz | goozbach: it's there, but just not for F-20 |
| 18:20.34 | jxqz | ati tends to be behind the times |
| 18:20.40 | jxqz | with their linux drivers |
| 18:20.53 | levi | ATI is also annoying at dropping support for older chips very early. |
| 18:21.02 | jxqz | do you happen to know the kernel version range for F-19? |
| 18:21.09 | goozbach | ahh you could try the srpm and rebuild it |
| 18:21.12 | goozbach | (good luck) |
| 18:21.15 | jxqz | thx |
| 18:21.17 | levi | The open source drivers generally work pretty well for me, though. |
| 18:21.36 | levi | I dunno why yours is so spazzy. |
| 18:21.43 | fozzmoo | jxqz: 3.10 - 3.11.10 |
| 18:21.53 | jxqz | I'm not blaming the libre driver so much as amd's quirked HW |
| 18:21.56 | jxqz | fozzmoo: thx |
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| 18:28.21 | keldwud | ok, I have no clue how to reset my network config, apparently |
| 18:28.27 | keldwud | I tried ifdown up |
| 18:28.38 | keldwud | but my DNS hasn't refreshed to the right one |
| 18:28.44 | keldwud | a reboot does it, of course |
| 18:28.51 | keldwud | but that's not the right way, I'm sure |
| 18:35.49 | jxqz | heh, reboot |
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| 18:46.14 | keldwud | whoops |
| 18:46.15 | keldwud | found a bug |
| 18:46.17 | keldwud | lol |
| 18:46.28 | keldwud | https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+bug/1072518 |
| 18:46.42 | keldwud | almost didn't recover |
| 18:47.08 | keldwud | I did a service networking restart |
| 18:47.11 | keldwud | and all hell broke loose |
| 18:49.36 | keldwud | okay. I need an adult. I've been working on this far too long. Ubuntu uses resolvconf to manage /etc/resolv.conf. I have a dns server I need to add because it is such a pain in the but to continue typing in IP addresses not to mention that some of the automation scripts we have all use hostnames |
| 18:49.57 | keldwud | so I can't add my dns server to resolv.conf manually. because it is managed by resolvconf and network-manager |
| 18:50.08 | keldwud | I've added the dns server in network-manager, but no dice |
| 18:50.30 | keldwud | nm-tool shows me that it has the correct dns servers, but I still can't ping by hostname, so I assume it's not working |
| 18:50.51 | jxqz | what does /etc/resolv.conf say? |
| 18:50.57 | keldwud | that it is managed by |
| 18:51.09 | keldwud | NetworkManager |
| 18:51.14 | jxqz | that's it? |
| 18:51.18 | keldwud | and it only has localhost as the nameserver |
| 18:51.24 | keldwud | which is expected, because that is by design |
| 18:51.43 | jxqz | there are scripts and hooks in /etc/resolvconf/ I think |
| 18:51.46 | keldwud | yeah |
| 18:51.47 | jxqz | maybe that would work |
| 18:52.03 | keldwud | so my original workaround was to just remove resolvconf |
| 18:52.09 | keldwud | and it worked after I edited the file |
| 18:52.14 | keldwud | but then networkmanager took over the file |
| 18:52.21 | keldwud | and I can't get resovlconf to take over the file again |
| 18:52.27 | keldwud | maybe the symlink is broken |
| 18:52.28 | keldwud | checks |
| 18:52.31 | jxqz | it's supposed to be all great and stuff at managing dns info, but I can never figure it out |
| 18:52.38 | jxqz | or why it's used |
| 18:52.47 | keldwud | yeah, I figured I should figure it out |
| 18:52.48 | keldwud | http://akyl.net/changes-dns-resolvconf-ubuntu-1204-precise-pangolin |
| 18:52.54 | keldwud | there's some vpn stuff that it handles better |
| 18:53.06 | keldwud | and handles different multiple vlans better |
| 18:53.16 | keldwud | which I kind of need since I use vpn and multiple vlans in my environment |
| 18:54.17 | keldwud | ok yeah, I see. when I reinstalled resolvconf, it didn't symlink back to /etc/resolvconf/resolv.conf.d again |
| 18:56.46 | jxqz | is there a place to put local, custom selinux policy modules? |
| 18:56.57 | keldwud | whoops. did my ln backwards |
| 18:57.02 | keldwud | how2 undo? |
| 18:58.18 | jxqz | did you overwrite the file? |
| 18:58.33 | jxqz | (ln -f) |
| 18:58.35 | keldwud | maybe? |
| 18:58.37 | keldwud | lol |
| 18:58.40 | keldwud | no I didn't -f |
| 18:58.44 | keldwud | just -s |
| 18:58.50 | keldwud | so rm should be fine, right? |
| 18:58.51 | jxqz | if not then ln will just have made a broken link in the wrong place or refused to overwrite |
| 18:59.05 | rsimpkins | levi: Do you have any recommendations for seeding the random number generator for lua? I'm not used to doing that on my own. |
| 18:59.08 | jxqz | I would ls that link first |
| 18:59.17 | jxqz | make sure it's the right one |
| 18:59.19 | jxqz | etc. |
| 18:59.37 | keldwud | yeah I did an ll to make sure |
| 18:59.41 | jxqz | every time I ln -s I have to remind myself of the syntax |
| 18:59.50 | jxqz | and I still get it wrong sometimes |
| 19:01.55 | youtah | http://i.imgur.com/y2SWlTO.gif |
| 19:02.01 | youtah | Watch this for at least 4 seconds |
| 19:02.05 | youtah | AND NO LESS |
| 19:02.37 | keldwud | gah |
| 19:02.40 | keldwud | I can't go to it |
| 19:02.44 | keldwud | because my DNS is so broken |
| 19:02.46 | keldwud | lol |
| 19:02.54 | jxqz | is there a way to get yum to list only installed packages? |
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| 19:04.06 | rsimpkins | jxqz: yum list installed |
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| 19:04.54 | jxqz | ~napoleon |
| 19:04.54 | infobot | Girls only like guys who have great skills: Nun-chuck skills, bow hunting skills, computer hacking skills. |
| 19:05.03 | rsimpkins | yum skills |
| 19:05.39 | jxqz | this freenode srvr is lagging me like teh crazy |
| 19:06.09 | jxqz | yummy |
| 19:06.24 | jxqz | I always thought yum was funny |
| 19:06.32 | jxqz | it stands for yellowdog updater, modified |
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| 19:06.57 | jxqz | and when I hear yellow dog, all I think about is yellow snow |
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| 19:07.08 | jxqz | so yum: yellow snow == yummy |
| 19:07.44 | jxqz | contradiction |
| 19:07.46 | jxqz | ! |
| 19:07.48 | jxqz | ? |
| 19:07.54 | keldwud | your *face* is a contradiction! |
| 19:09.19 | keldwud | oh man. I haven't studied or anything for the ham class this saturday |
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| 19:09.37 | jxqz | I give up |
| 19:09.45 | jxqz | what package is /usr/bin/checkmodule in? |
| 19:10.02 | jxqz | ~napoleon keldwud |
| 19:10.02 | infobot | ACTION tames a wild honeymoon stallion for keldwud |
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| 19:10.51 | youtah | lol |
| 19:11.09 | keldwud | way to go, jxqz |
| 19:11.10 | youtah | You can all thank me later http://imgur.com/a/U47uU?gallery |
| 19:11.16 | keldwud | just boot me off irc why dontcha ;) |
| 19:11.27 | keldwud | careful with that napoleon command. it's dangerous |
| 19:11.48 | keldwud | apparently running bitbleach and quassel at the same time wasn't compatible |
| 19:11.59 | keldwud | and quassel brokeded for a sec |
| 19:12.31 | jxqz | ~nacho |
| 19:12.31 | infobot | NACHOOOOOOOOOOOOOooooooooooooooooooo....! |
| 19:12.51 | youtah | ~NACHO |
| 19:12.51 | infobot | The people here think I don't know a buttload of crap about the gospel, but I do! |
| 19:13.03 | youtah | LOL |
| 19:13.12 | youtah | what the |
| 19:13.15 | keldwud | haha |
| 19:13.17 | youtah | so wasn't expecting that |
| 19:13.26 | keldwud | r/nocontext |
| 19:13.27 | goozbach | jxqz: yum whatprovides /usr/bin/checkmodule |
| 19:14.03 | keldwud | ok got dns working and can ping google again |
| 19:14.08 | youtah | http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=T-D1KVIuvjA |
| 19:14.12 | youtah | You'll thank me later |
| 19:14.19 | keldwud | damnit! |
| 19:14.26 | keldwud | pouts at his computer |
| 19:17.32 | keldwud | what's the difference between dns-search and dns-domain? |
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| 19:21.17 | keldwud | hmm. so I know where I'm lost at now |
| 19:21.24 | keldwud | I set my IP statically using network manager |
| 19:21.39 | keldwud | but to add new nameservers, you need to add them in /etc/network/interfaces |
| 19:21.43 | keldwud | hmmm |
| 19:22.00 | keldwud | https://help.ubuntu.com/12.04/serverguide/network-configuration.html#name-resolution |
| 19:22.25 | keldwud | but since I have network-manager managing my interfaces, can I change /etc/network/interfaces? |
| 19:22.32 | keldwud | or will network-manager say nope? |
| 19:22.44 | jxqz | goozbach: thxorz |
| 19:25.33 | keldwud | OMG YES! |
| 19:25.37 | keldwud | does a happy dance |
| 19:25.44 | jxqz | after overcoming some annoying and useless prejudice, I think the main thing that bugs me about yum (not that there aren't things that bug me about aptitude) is it's inconsistent and opportunistic printout formatting |
| 19:25.46 | keldwud | now let's reboot and see if it persists or gets brokeded |
| 19:25.51 | keldwud | I pinged a hostname on my local network |
| 19:25.57 | keldwud | I haven't been able to do that |
| 19:25.58 | keldwud | ever |
| 19:26.15 | jxqz | making it sometimes less readable |
| 19:26.18 | keldwud | brb, gonna try and break it with a restart |
| 19:26.32 | jxqz | emerge easily beats both yum and aptitude |
| 19:26.45 | jxqz | throw some color onto that text! |
| 19:26.46 | keldwud | bugs me about you is it is? |
| 19:26.53 | keldwud | or bugs me about yum is its? |
| 19:26.53 | keldwud | ;) |
| 19:27.06 | keldwud | it's = it is, its = possessive |
| 19:27.07 | keldwud | :-p |
| 19:27.20 | jxqz | s/'//g |
| 19:27.33 | jxqz | ~fakeblock |
| 19:28.43 | jxqz | infobot: fakeblock is http://www.fakeblock.com/ |
| 19:28.43 | infobot | okay, jxqz |
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| 19:29.34 | jxqz | ha ha: http://fakeblockisreal.com/ |
| 19:32.53 | hjp_beta_ | youtah: that. Was. AWESOME!!! |
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| 19:33.36 | keldwud | bah |
| 19:33.41 | keldwud | false alarm |
| 19:34.03 | keldwud | if I modify /etc/network/interfaces, my dns works |
| 19:34.14 | keldwud | but then on reboot, network manager panics and then I don't have any network access |
| 19:34.34 | keldwud | so I need to find a way to make changes in network manager that resolvconf will propagate to /etc/resolv.conf so that my dns will work |
| 19:34.40 | keldwud | this is getting quite convoluted |
| 19:35.18 | fungus | Is there a reason you want to use network manager? Skipping it and going full blown network/interfaces is much simpler. |
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| 19:37.11 | jxqz | network manager is good at what it does |
| 19:37.16 | jxqz | but it's very opaque |
| 19:37.24 | fungus | yup |
| 19:37.32 | jxqz | likes to keep its cards close |
| 19:37.40 | jxqz | (its) |
| 19:39.12 | programmerq | if I want to use wifi, nm-applett+networkmanager seems to be fairly decent. |
| 19:39.18 | keldwud | yeah, boss said to get rid of network manager, too |
| 19:39.22 | keldwud | but that's the old way of doing things |
| 19:39.40 | keldwud | I want to use network manager because I think with network manager and resolvconf, I can change my vlans willy nilly |
| 19:39.49 | fungus | network manager is great for laptops or when you need to change network settings frequently. |
| 19:39.51 | programmerq | but I certainly don't run it on any servers. |
| 19:40.02 | keldwud | yeah, this is just on my work desktop |
| 19:40.13 | keldwud | not really a server, but I use it to manage a lot of stuff |
| 19:40.28 | keldwud | I also want to use network manager because in the future, I'm sure that I will have to know how to use it |
| 19:40.50 | keldwud | and if I am stuck with an outdated skillset and tell potential employers, "hey, we need to go back to the old way", I don't think I'll get very far |
| 19:40.57 | programmerq | I haven't been successful in getting the openvpn plugin working properly. |
| 19:41.19 | programmerq | it connects to my work vpn, and then receives a signal that tells it to quit. |
| 19:41.26 | programmerq | I don't have the output handy |
| 19:41.36 | keldwud | recite it from memory ;) |
| 19:41.54 | programmerq | my workaround is to sudo openvpn from a terminal-- connects and stays connected just fine that way. |
| 19:46.27 | keldwud | darn: https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/openvpn/+bug/1211110 |
| 19:51.10 | ldav15 | <PROTECTED> |
| 19:53.54 | keldwud | I was actually hoping for vpn to be able to push through nameservers to my /etc/resolv.conf through network manager and resolvconf |
| 19:54.05 | keldwud | that's why I was trying to set it up this way |
| 19:55.31 | keldwud | maybe I need to look into dnsmasq |
| 19:55.55 | programmerq | what desktop environment are people using these days? |
| 19:56.04 | youtah | keldwud, did you get it? |
| 19:56.12 | youtah | did you buy the radio I private messaged you? |
| 19:56.12 | keldwud | not yet |
| 19:56.22 | youtah | it expired |
| 19:56.37 | keldwud | programmerq: I've been using ubuntu 13.04 and linux mint 17(?) |
| 19:56.40 | keldwud | oh man |
| 19:56.45 | keldwud | you private messaged me!? |
| 19:56.47 | keldwud | :( |
| 19:56.58 | programmerq | keldwud: which desktop environments are the default on those distros? |
| 19:57.09 | programmerq | ubuntu changed from gnome to unity, but I don't remember which release |
| 19:57.11 | youtah | They had the radio for $30 |
| 19:57.11 | keldwud | programmerq: I use cinnamon on mint |
| 19:57.14 | keldwud | and I like unity |
| 19:57.16 | youtah | it's gone back up to $40 |
| 19:58.00 | keldwud | a lot of haters on unity, tho |
| 19:58.09 | youtah | Unity sucks |
| 19:58.11 | keldwud | you need a good video card to run it smoothly |
| 19:58.13 | youtah | ~karma unity |
| 19:58.13 | infobot | unity has karma of -3 |
| 19:58.16 | youtah | lol |
| 19:58.20 | keldwud | it's pretty choppy on my desktop |
| 19:58.20 | youtah | ~unity -- |
| 19:58.25 | youtah | ~unity-- |
| 19:58.32 | programmerq | yeah, tbh I haven't been terribly impressed by what I've seen with unity. |
| 19:58.36 | keldwud | ~karma your face |
| 19:58.36 | infobot | your face has neutral karma |
| 19:58.40 | youtah | ~karma unity |
| 19:58.40 | infobot | unity has karma of -4 |
| 19:58.42 | keldwud | ~karma your mom |
| 19:58.42 | infobot | your mom has neutral karma |
| 19:58.52 | youtah | ~karma youtah |
| 19:58.52 | infobot | youtah has karma of 3 |
| 19:58.53 | programmerq | although I did win an HP 13 split x2 at my company christmas party. maybe with the touch, it'll make more sense. |
| 19:58.58 | youtah | Woo Hoo! |
| 19:59.00 | keldwud | programmerq: cinnamon is pretty cool |
| 19:59.26 | keldwud | oh yeah, canonical has been working pretty hard on making a good touch based linux distro and desktop environment |
| 19:59.36 | youtah | I wonder if I can Karma myself |
| 19:59.43 | youtah | ~youtah++ |
| 19:59.54 | youtah | <infobot> please don't karma yourself |
| 19:59.55 | keldwud | where did you send me the link, youtah? I dont' see it in any private messages |
| 19:59.58 | keldwud | lol |
| 20:00.07 | keldwud | ~infobot++ |
| 20:00.10 | keldwud | ~karma infobot |
| 20:00.10 | infobot | infobot has karma of 5 |
| 20:03.10 | ldav15 | ~ldav15-- |
| 20:04.37 | youtah | So |
| 20:04.46 | youtah | My family was supposed to fly in today from Nigeria |
| 20:05.01 | youtah | Kind of hard to do that with the airport being closed. |
| 20:05.15 | ldav15 | I couldn't karma myself either. |
| 20:05.34 | youtah | I guess it's something you're supposed to do in private..... |
| 20:05.54 | youtah | hides behind the couch before someone throws a shoe at him |
| 20:06.00 | Jayce^ | thankfully I got in last night, and that was rough |
| 20:06.18 | youtah | Hey, where's jima and Q_Continuum been lately? |
| 20:06.25 | youtah | I havent heard those to talk in a while |
| 20:06.50 | Jayce^ | my truck had a 1/4" ice layer over everything |
| 20:07.01 | youtah | Could you get your doors open? |
| 20:07.06 | Jayce^ | one side |
| 20:07.11 | youtah | have to chip/break the ice? |
| 20:07.47 | keldwud | wat? youtah is a Nigerian prince!? |
| 20:08.23 | fugue88 | youtah: Have you met these "family members" before? |
| 20:08.28 | fugue88 | Are they bringing you money? |
| 20:08.30 | fugue88 | ;) |
| 20:08.49 | youtah | fugue88, no, just gold bars |
| 20:08.59 | fugue88 | Oh, nothing fishy there then. :D |
| 20:09.10 | youtah | *sigh* you guys repeat the same jokes every time *rolls eyes* |
| 20:09.23 | fugue88 | Oh, nothing fishy there then. :D |
| 20:09.27 | youtah | LOL |
| 20:09.31 | fugue88 | :) |
| 20:09.38 | youtah | <X)))>< |
| 20:09.53 | keldwud | hmm.. where should I go on freenode for more help with networkmanager and resolvconf |
| 20:09.57 | Jayce^ | mm, nigerian order of the fish :) |
| 20:10.03 | youtah | keldwud, with Ubuntu? |
| 20:10.06 | Jayce^ | anybody else remember 419 eater and the fish? |
| 20:10.23 | youtah | I LOVED 419 EATER! |
| 20:10.31 | youtah | My friend strung one guy along for a year |
| 20:10.42 | youtah | trying to get him to post photos so he could submit to the site |
| 20:11.10 | youtah | After finally scamming the scammer, and after the scammer threatened my friends life, he ended up apologizing and I think they still talk today |
| 20:11.12 | keldwud | youtah: yeah with ubuntu |
| 20:11.18 | keldwud | maybe I should try there |
| 20:11.25 | youtah | keldwud, yeah, check out #ubuntu |
| 20:12.09 | youtah | http://blog.skepticallibertarian.com/2013/12/18/is-the-us-the-freest-country-in-the-world-by-the-numbers/ |
| 20:12.36 | ldav15 | youtah: you had me worried there. 419eater.com is still around. |
| 20:12.48 | youtah | *phew* |
| 20:12.51 | youtah | I haven't been there in ages |
| 20:13.00 | keldwud | what? who thinks that the U.S. is free? |
| 20:13.13 | keldwud | don't we have the largest incarcerated population? |
| 20:13.22 | youtah | RTFA |
| 20:13.24 | youtah | ;-) |
| 20:13.24 | toocanX | going to register a domain and get some web hosting... who should I go with? I've been with Godaddy and 1and1 before, but I want to try someone new.. |
| 20:13.29 | keldwud | lol |
| 20:13.33 | youtah | no toocanX! |
| 20:13.40 | youtah | Anything but godaddy |
| 20:13.41 | toocanX | :O |
| 20:13.49 | keldwud | I just didn't realize there was an actual debate about whether or not the US is a free nation |
| 20:13.50 | toocanX | I said /I've been with/ |
| 20:13.52 | youtah | might I recomment hostmonster? |
| 20:13.53 | toocanX | :) |
| 20:14.07 | youtah | oh, lol. I misread that. |
| 20:14.09 | toocanX | okay, thanks |
| 20:14.17 | youtah | I am full of typos today |
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| 20:14.29 | youtah | I've been happy with hostmoster so far |
| 20:14.30 | programmerq | toocanX: you want shared hosting? VPS? what will you use your domain for? |
| 20:14.34 | keldwud | anybody who isn't an affluent white male has restricted rights and freedoms in the US |
| 20:14.46 | youtah | there goes programmerq ... asking the right questions again |
| 20:15.08 | keldwud | sure, we are at the top of the list when it comes to third world countries |
| 20:16.18 | toocanX | lol, true that.. I'm not experienced enough to know what I want / need... I want to get a provider that will last me a while.. I am going to be building a web site for gaming, and later when it comes time for a software project for school that could possibly be used in business if it works.. |
| 20:16.31 | fugue88 | Wait a sec... we have the most world leaders in prison? We must have excluded US-only leaders. |
| 20:16.56 | programmerq | ooOOoo. steam winter sale has started. |
| 20:17.08 | toocanX | :D |
| 20:17.11 | keldwud | I wonder when the US is going to start invading "free-er" societies because of IP and/or technologies that create more freedom |
| 20:17.16 | toocanX | I just found a Civ5 bundle for $18 |
| 20:17.18 | toocanX | that made me happy |
| 20:17.26 | youtah | toocanX, sounds like Hostmonster/Bluehost should do just fine |
| 20:17.31 | programmerq | toocanX: shared would be fine |
| 20:17.39 | toocanX | I was considering Bluehost as well |
| 20:17.40 | keldwud | it's only a matter of time before the US starts shutting down democracies that challenge our dominance in the global economy |
| 20:17.51 | programmerq | what technology do you want to build your site in? |
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| 20:18.13 | keldwud | that's probably what the whole NSA deal is about. We can't catch places like sweden or norway with their pants down |
| 20:18.19 | keldwud | so they need to dig up dirt on them |
| 20:18.33 | toocanX | the free stuff... ;) PHP mysql |
| 20:18.34 | keldwud | it was easy with places like the middle east |
| 20:18.42 | keldwud | because human rights violations, weapons, etc |
| 20:19.02 | keldwud | but we can't go invading swirzerland and finland because they don't have WMDs or human rights violations |
| 20:19.19 | keldwud | so the NSA is going to find dirt on all of them and find a reason to invade norway |
| 20:19.35 | keldwud | because they threaten USes Intellectual Property dominance |
| 20:19.47 | fugue88 | I heard they're all part of the axis of evil. :P |
| 20:19.56 | youtah | keldwud... stay with us... we're losin' ya! |
| 20:20.00 | keldwud | haha sorry |
| 20:20.04 | youtah | ;-) |
| 20:20.10 | keldwud | I just wish I was economically independent enough to gtfo :( |
| 20:20.13 | jxqz | toocanX: check out digital ocean |
| 20:20.14 | keldwud | I'm stuck |
| 20:20.23 | toocanX | k |
| 20:20.35 | keldwud | I want to get out before they stop allowing people to leave |
| 20:20.45 | youtah | toocanX, plus hostmonster / bluehost are local, so you'd be supporting a local company |
| 20:21.03 | shalkie | toocanX: Digital Ocean has been pretty good for me. |
| 20:21.16 | shalkie | Then again toocanX, so has Linode. |
| 20:21.36 | toocanX | bluehost is in Provo, right? Where's hostmonster? |
| 20:22.05 | programmerq | toocanX: they're the same thing |
| 20:22.07 | youtah | sister company |
| 20:22.14 | youtah | http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bluehost |
| 20:22.18 | jxqz | same deal |
| 20:22.27 | jxqz | two halves of the same golf ball |
| 20:22.30 | shalkie | XMission also does hosting. I haven't used them for hosting, but I am sure that pashdown would give it a good review. ;-) |
| 20:22.45 | youtah | "In 2013, Bluehost now offers VPS and Dedicated server hosting." wait, what?! |
| 20:22.54 | pashdown | hola |
| 20:22.56 | toocanX | yeah, I'm looking at XMission |
| 20:23.13 | jxqz | how many golf balls does XMission have? |
| 20:23.13 | youtah | pashdown, ever heard of this XMission place? |
| 20:23.26 | youtah | ;-) |
| 20:23.28 | pashdown | briefly |
| 20:23.38 | toocanX | I used to play Counter-Strike: Source on their servers WAYYY back in the day :) |
| 20:23.39 | pashdown | but i'm also 2000 years old |
| 20:23.43 | youtah | lol |
| 20:24.14 | youtah | whatever, I've seen you in the news. You don't look a day over 24yo |
| 20:24.33 | youtah | (24 is a good healthy age for males to look, right? ) |
| 20:24.36 | pashdown | you're too kind. where do i send flowers? |
| 20:24.52 | toocanX | if I go with XMission though, I need to register my domain name elsewhere it looks like |
| 20:24.53 | youtah | I take BTC |
| 20:25.00 | jxqz | flower patch on the corner of state and 6th |
| 20:25.01 | youtah | toocanX, check out namecheap |
| 20:25.02 | pashdown | no, you can register with us |
| 20:25.02 | shalkie | I suspect it is all the running in the bay area that pashdown posts pictures of... That keeps him young. |
| 20:25.29 | pashdown | toocanX, i'd be curious as to what gave you that impression, so i can get the copy fixed |
| 20:25.37 | shalkie | toocanX: I have like half a dozen domains through XMission. |
| 20:25.52 | pashdown | we do it for $10/yr |
| 20:26.29 | toocanX | shoot, okay.. |
| 20:27.02 | rsimpkins | I use name.com because they have two-factor authentication support, and a decent UI that makes managing DNS servers easier (registered name servers). Perhaps I should give Xmission a try. |
| 20:27.52 | pashdown | we don't have two-factor, but it is on my list |
| 20:28.10 | jxqz | when I do names, I'll have seven-factors |
| 20:28.12 | rsimpkins | Ahh, then perhaps I will wait. I've recently consolidated everything to name.com for specifically that reason. |
| 20:28.47 | rsimpkins | name.com uses verisign, along with etrade, paypal, and a number of other popular folks. |
| 20:30.32 | rsimpkins | It rather annoys me when I have to use a service that doesn't support OTP or some other resonable two-factor auth scheme. Working at Adobe has recently reminded me why that is critical. |
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| 20:34.19 | keldwud | did you see the answer to my question, youtah? |
| 20:34.25 | keldwud | just noticed you were in there |
| 20:35.08 | jxqz | rsimpkins: you got 2 get seven-factor at adobe |
| 20:36.59 | rsimpkins | I guess I can't really comment publicly about that. I can only say I personally agree. |
| 20:37.52 | rsimpkins | 'SECURE ALL THE THINGS!' |
| 20:38.37 | rsimpkins | pashdown: Do you do physical pen tests, social engineering tests, etc? |
| 20:39.51 | youtah | I did not keldwud |
| 20:40.04 | youtah | I dont think I should have eaten that entire box of candy canes |
| 20:40.23 | keldwud | haha |
| 20:40.28 | pashdown | if beatings qualify. i repeatedly drill them on social engineering efforts. |
| 20:40.45 | keldwud | omg I'm totally quoting you on that, pashdown |
| 20:40.48 | keldwud | ;) |
| 20:40.50 | keldwud | tweet |
| 20:40.58 | keldwud | (jk, I'm not really) |
| 20:41.24 | rsimpkins | "I regularly beat my employees." - pashdown |
| 20:41.26 | keldwud | tonight on KSL. "Does local business owner beat his employees? Find out at 5" |
| 20:42.16 | pashdown | looks like i have to dispense some beatings to the person who advised me to hang out on #utah |
| 20:42.32 | rsimpkins | pashdown: Yeah, gopro it so we have some footage. |
| 20:42.33 | keldwud | touche, pashdown, touche :) |
| 20:43.09 | keldwud | I bet that's why we never see any of them chatting in here |
| 20:43.23 | keldwud | because it would be an obvious sign that they were slacking at work. too easy to get caught :) |
| 20:43.27 | shalkie | Oh, but we keldwud, we do. Well occasionally. |
| 20:44.04 | keldwud | that's the real reason you hang out here, pashdown, isn't it. to deter xmission employees from chatting on irc all day ;) |
| 20:44.25 | shalkie | Would seem odd since xmission has (or had) its own IRC server. |
| 20:45.02 | fozzmoo | misses the old daze of XM IRC, Usenet, and Quake servers. |
| 20:45.21 | pashdown | we still do. i'd like to get a freenode node because other servers have been notoriously unreliable for me. |
| 20:45.27 | fozzmoo | dusts off a Courier modem and digs up a machine with a serial port |
| 20:45.50 | toocanX | does XM still have servers up for gaming? |
| 20:45.53 | shalkie | fozzmoo: I have a USB to DB9 adapter. :-) |
| 20:46.07 | shalkie | And at least a Supra 28.8 lying around... |
| 20:46.09 | pashdown | not that we manage. there are a couple tf2 servers and some other things i know nothing about. |
| 20:46.16 | goozbach | I'm loving ansible! https://twitter.com/goozbach/status/413756636722114561 |
| 20:46.48 | fozzmoo | goozbach: When we asked the BH admis about ansible, one sneered and said he'd stick with puppet. |
| 20:47.03 | fozzmoo | goozbach: I liked your sysadvent write-up! |
| 20:47.24 | keldwud | hey goozbach was that you that was writing up some new courseware for spring? |
| 20:47.30 | pashdown | i don't discriminate against people unless they're puppet advocates |
| 20:48.04 | pashdown | how does ansible compare with salt |
| 20:48.11 | fozzmoo | I knew it! Pashdown beats his employees and practices discrimination! |
| 20:48.17 | rsimpkins | We use salt, ansible, and puppet. :) |
| 20:48.26 | rsimpkins | and cfengine |
| 20:49.11 | rsimpkins | Tacking on discrimintation is good. |
| 20:50.10 | goozbach | pashdown: similar idea to salt (config in yaml) different execution |
| 20:50.15 | rsimpkins | I discriminate all the time. |
| 20:50.27 | pashdown | is it a redhat thing, or can it be used on debian? |
| 20:50.29 | goozbach | minionless (only thing needed on the 'agent' is ssh server) |
| 20:50.54 | fozzmoo | ~seen redbeard |
| 20:51.00 | infobot | redbeard <~dan@redbeard.dsl.xmission.com> was last seen on IRC in channel #ldstech, 728d 15h 50m 12s ago, saying: 'hope you can get it sorted out'. |
| 20:51.00 | goozbach | pashdown: works on solaris,aix,macosx,debian,ubuntu,rh,... |
| 20:51.07 | goozbach | certian modules are per-distro specific |
| 20:51.11 | fozzmoo | I guess he didn't get it sorted out. :( |
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| 20:52.01 | shalkie | hmmm... |
| 20:52.04 | shalkie | ~redbeard2 |
| 20:52.11 | shalkie | er... |
| 20:52.15 | shalkie | ~seen redbeard2 |
| 20:52.16 | infobot | redbeard2 <~jphall@techhat.dsl.xmission.com> was last seen on IRC in channel #utos, 299d 20h 26m 51s ago, saying: 'probably not brownies this year, but there will be food'. |
| 20:52.32 | shalkie | They were good brownies. |
| 20:53.01 | fozzmoo | sighs |
| 20:53.12 | fozzmoo | I guess he doesn't IRC much now that he's salt-entrenched. |
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| 21:01.31 | keldwud | ok. here's something that confuses me. when I ping via ip address, I get responses in real time in my terminal |
| 21:01.48 | keldwud | when I ping via domain, I don't get any responses in my terminal |
| 21:02.03 | keldwud | but when I ctrl-c, then I get the statistics |
| 21:02.06 | keldwud | is that normal? |
| 21:02.22 | fozzmoo | keldwud: Sounds like a DNS issue. |
| 21:02.27 | keldwud | heh |
| 21:02.30 | keldwud | damn |
| 21:02.30 | fozzmoo | But that's weird. |
| 21:02.38 | keldwud | and I thought I had resolved that :) |
| 21:02.51 | keldwud | I *am* on a different subnet than the two dns servers which I am using |
| 21:03.26 | keldwud | yeah, ssh doesn't work either. at least not via hostname |
| 21:04.15 | keldwud | maybe I need to remove one of the nameservers |
| 21:06.20 | keldwud | ok that fixed it |
| 21:06.35 | keldwud | now I get ping repsonses from local hostnames in my terminal |
| 21:06.44 | keldwud | although I still don't get them from places outside of my network |
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| 21:20.09 | youtah | http://www.breitbart.com/Big-Government/2013/12/18/Scientists-Manufacture-Crude-Oil-The-End-of-Peak-Oil |
| 21:22.33 | fozzmoo | \o/ |
| 21:22.41 | fozzmoo | pours crude oil all over himself |
| 21:22.56 | youtah | pours green algae all over himself |
| 21:23.55 | youtah | wants to throw money at them and buy stock in whatever they're doing |
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| 21:30.40 | keldwud | hey, anybody in the utah county area looking for easy non-techie work? |
| 21:31.17 | keldwud | although, basic computer skills are required |
| 21:31.47 | keldwud | we're hiring more curators. hit me up if you are or know somebody who is interested |
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| 21:48.09 | Tene | curators? |
| 21:52.14 | programmerq | okay, I have a legacy php app I'm trying to make a little more maintainable going forward. right now the db is just "out there" schema not checked in or anything. |
| 21:52.22 | programmerq | basically I want something like rails migrations |
| 21:52.31 | programmerq | but no framework to work off |
| 21:52.59 | programmerq | I'm thinking sql scripts that can populate the schema and seed data separated logically? some simple bash runner for the scripts? |
| 21:53.03 | programmerq | any opinions? |
| 21:53.28 | programmerq | maybe some kind of generic framework that can run straight sql? |
| 21:53.36 | errstr | in the end, all that rails migrations do is 1) timestamp the change 2) provide an undo along with create 3) keep track of the last migration done |
| 21:53.47 | errstr | it would be fairly straightforward to implement that base functionality |
| 21:54.32 | keldwud | Tene: sit in front of a computer and determine if document x is relevant to y |
| 21:54.45 | keldwud | via scanning through the document rather quickly |
| 21:57.14 | programmerq | errstr: I don't need timestamp nor necessarily undo. last migration done would indeed be superb, but I think I could work around it. yup homegrown bash script to run my scripts for me it is. |
| 22:02.53 | errstr | the timestamp is there so that changes are monotonic and - hopefully - reversable |
| 22:03.55 | errstr | i'd recommend implementing it in php, since that's the language of the app, then it can be portable and maintainable in the future. throw-away bash scripts are almost never the right answer for a long-living application |
| 22:03.58 | programmerq | I'm just going to do the "old way" of doing things and do create table if not exists for schema, and replace into instead of insert for seed data. I'm only anticipating changes to seed data over time. |
| 22:04.13 | errstr | ok |
| 22:04.50 | programmerq | I did find a php framework-agnostic migration system called phinx, but it didn't appear to have support for seed data |
| 22:06.01 | programmerq | if it were a little more mature/active, I'd totally spend the extra effort to get it in place. |
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| 22:38.23 | youtah | You under estimate my sneakiness |
| 22:56.23 | jnbek | said sneakiness has no rival |
| 22:56.26 | jnbek | ;-) |
| 23:01.18 | SunSparc | http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8lYBVi3ALWA |
| 23:09.20 | shalkie | Hah! I watched the amazing race and the contestants had to wipe crude oil off of spa patrons in some country off of the caspian or black see (some former soviet bloc coutnry). Seems they have so much they believe it has medicinal properties and go to the spas to soak in it. |
| 23:12.05 | shalkie | s/coutnry/country |
| 23:15.42 | shalkie | Oh youtah , somme of the comments are great. Like this one: " |
| 23:15.44 | shalkie | Right now we're starving them to death by turning their food into ethanol. That program will eliminate poor people eventually, thus solving the problem. |
| 23:15.46 | shalkie | " |
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| 23:23.36 | youtah | ROFL shalkie |
| 23:24.12 | shalkie | s/somme/some |
| 23:24.14 | youtah | So, we have come up with a couple of inversion breaker solutions.... |
| 23:24.54 | shalkie | The big problem with being able to create oil is that we still aren't dong a great job of controlling the pollution from it. |
| 23:25.34 | youtah | A: We paint all of the roof tops on the East side of I-15 black, and all the ones on the West side white |
| 23:25.41 | youtah | creating a convection . |
| 23:26.07 | youtah | B: We put a huge 1000' tall 12' diameter pipe with a massive turbine that sucks the hot air from above and pipes it down low |
| 23:26.20 | youtah | and another one at the other end of the valley going the opposite direction |
| 23:26.37 | youtah | C: We install massive fans at the top of the mountains |
| 23:26.56 | shalkie | Back when they "solved" flooding for the Great Salt Lake with the pumps one of the editorials did fans on mountains. :-) |
| 23:27.05 | youtah | D: We stop filtering the air coming out of the State Capitol building and let all the hot air do it's job |
| 23:27.06 | shalkie | Oh, but I see you went there. |
| 23:27.26 | youtah | lol |
| 23:27.46 | shalkie | Politicians doing something useful? hmmmm... probably to much of a stretch. |
| 23:27.48 | shalkie | ;-) |
| 23:28.00 | youtah | lol, zing! |
| 23:28.32 | youtah | Did you guys hear that Holly Richardson walked into the Swallow courtroom holding three boxes of Krispy Kremes? |
| 23:28.38 | youtah | (however you spell it) |
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