| 00:16.09 | unum | I don't understand why a label should be more than a label |
| 00:16.26 | unum | I'm with levi on this |
| 00:16.42 | unum | of course I support jungle primaries |
| 00:17.18 | unum | and I would also point out that Matheson has been selected by democratic delegates several times over to represent the party |
| 00:17.56 | unum | so I think he has more claim to being a "real" democrat than any else in this state. |
| 00:18.14 | unum | especially when you realize in how many parts of the state he's had to win that vote |
| 01:05.18 | levi | He may not match *your* ideal of a Democrat, but a Democrat he is. |
| 01:18.47 | shalkie | meh, doesn't matter. Matheson announced he isnt running for hisd current office in 2014. |
| 01:19.35 | shalkie | he apparently announced today through facebook. |
| 01:24.46 | errstr | too bad, matheson was a good moderate republican |
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| 02:06.30 | levi | shalkie: That's what we were talking about. |
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| 03:11.17 | toocanX | through Facebook.. *facepalm* :P |
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| 14:31.41 | Migs | http://www.bbc.com/future/story/20131218-absolute-zero-to-absolute-hot |
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| 16:17.34 | levi | Nice one. |
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| 16:28.15 | shalkie | Minor correction. The coldest place on earth just changed the other day. The number was -93C |
| 16:37.33 | jxqz | ~napoleon shalkie |
| 16:37.33 | infobot | ACTION eats all of shalkie's steak |
| 16:38.31 | jxqz | is there a network monitor like htop? I tried ntop, but all it gave me was a printout of debug messages like it was starting a daemon |
| 16:39.11 | jxqz | neither did I find any instructions on how to start a curses-like interface in either the man page or on the intertubez |
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| 16:43.07 | jxqz | a webpage for network monitoring is not good enough |
| 16:43.15 | jxqz | sometimes all I have is an ssh connection |
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| 16:54.23 | shalkie | jxqz : I used to use a thing called nethogs to show bandwidth usage. If I remember correctly it showed usage for local processes. |
| 16:54.32 | shalkie | s/nethogs/nethog/ |
| 16:55.08 | shalkie | I guess it was nethogs. :-) http://nethogs.sourceforge.net |
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| 16:57.20 | jxqz | shalkie: atop, bmon, bwmon, netwatch, speedometer, iftop, iftraf |
| 16:57.42 | jxqz | what I'd really like though is a patch to htop |
| 17:03.03 | eightyeight | i like htop, but i've found it to be a bit heavy |
| 17:03.40 | eightyeight | sits on the CPU a bit hard, imo |
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| 17:19.22 | youtah | WOOT! |
| 17:19.57 | youtah | sltrib.com > Popular Stories section > #1 Link |
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| 17:53.21 | jxqz | eightyeight: in my experience htop isn't much worse than top itself |
| 17:53.40 | jxqz | but I'm not of the habit of having either run constantly |
| 17:54.04 | eightyeight | i've found that when a lot of users on a shared system run htop, the load climbs |
| 17:54.15 | jxqz | oh, well I can't say much about that :( |
| 17:54.20 | jxqz | s/(/)/ |
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| 18:01.33 | Migs | is there a zztop alternative? |
| 18:02.30 | manithree | Migs: Duck Dynasty |
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| 18:02.45 | manithree | beardly speaking |
| 18:02.52 | Migs | someone missed the boat. There's top, htop, but no zztop |
| 18:06.14 | manithree | unum: Some of us actually believe the party platform matters, not just the label |
| 18:06.34 | jxqz | eightyeight: I like htop, or at least the idea of htop, so I'd say that that's a performance issue to be worked out |
| 18:08.31 | joshh | htop is worth it for the prettiness |
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| 18:11.14 | romanovic | youtah: nice! probably got a bump in traffic there eh? |
| 18:12.38 | youtah | romanovic, yes, lol! |
| 18:12.56 | youtah | a little more than my average of 3 viewers a month |
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| 18:15.25 | youtah | romanovic, here are my stats on my smugmug site.... |
| 18:15.28 | youtah | 2013/12/14: 1 |
| 18:15.28 | youtah | 2013/12/15: 4 |
| 18:15.28 | youtah | 2013/12/16: 1 |
| 18:15.28 | youtah | 2013/12/17: 7625 |
| 18:15.28 | youtah | 2013/12/18: 4304 |
| 18:16.19 | keldwud | HAXED! |
| 18:16.33 | youtah | haxed? lol, why do you say that? |
| 18:16.34 | keldwud | the proof is in the numbers! |
| 18:17.02 | keldwud | I just like hyperbole and inaccurate conclusion jumping based off of little to no evidence :) |
| 18:17.08 | keldwud | oh hey, I should go work for fox news |
| 18:17.08 | youtah | lol |
| 18:17.15 | youtah | it's from this keldwud www.sltrib.com/sltrib/blogsinternet/57275315-71/mcgrath-com-gigapan-http.html.csp |
| 18:17.19 | manithree | keldwud is getting the hang of IRC |
| 18:17.34 | keldwud | that statement |
| 18:17.37 | keldwud | it confuses me |
| 18:17.54 | keldwud | how long does one have to be on IRC before it is no longer "new"? |
| 18:18.13 | manithree | Anybody who "like(s) hyperbole and inaccurate conclusion jumping based off of little to no evidence" is good at teh interwebz |
| 18:18.16 | keldwud | whats 2013 - 1997? |
| 18:18.30 | keldwud | ahhh, I'd also be good at reddit too :) |
| 18:18.47 | rsimpkins | youtah: Super glad you're getting some recognition on your work. That's great! |
| 18:19.41 | manithree | keldwud: No, you're actually sarcastic when you do it, you have to be seriously jumping to conclusions to be a good redditor |
| 18:19.44 | keldwud | Google Play tells me that CeeLo Green == classic christmas songs |
| 18:20.09 | keldwud | manithree: point. |
| 18:25.12 | jxqz | keldwud: have you ever considered a career writing youtube comments> |
| 18:25.19 | jxqz | s/>/?/ |
| 18:25.35 | keldwud | there's actually a video series for how to write youtube comments |
| 18:25.41 | jxqz | haha |
| 18:25.55 | jxqz | utuberzes |
| 18:26.05 | jxqz | silly utuberzes |
| 18:27.47 | keldwud | Internet Commenting Ettiquete by letsgotoclass |
| 18:27.55 | keldwud | the same guy who brought us gardening on salvia |
| 18:28.00 | keldwud | and driving on salvia |
| 18:28.16 | keldwud | *internet comment etiquette |
| 18:28.32 | keldwud | also, merry x-mas http://youtu.be/8MX43ynMvm0 |
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| 18:30.09 | youtah | thanks rsimpkins |
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| 18:36.20 | manithree | keldwud: I listened to that album about a million times thanks to my little sisters |
| 18:39.19 | eightyeight | 32 |
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| 18:57.09 | bonez2046 | help: my son opened his laptop (acer running win8) yesterday and complained it was not booting...it shows repairing disk errors....and is stuck |
| 18:57.28 | bonez2046 | I burned a 13.x ubuntu disk and have the machine booted with that |
| 18:57.57 | bonez2046 | just curious how to get the data off the drive so I can reformat and reload...the OS |
| 18:59.03 | jxqz | bonez2046: you can try mounting the disks in the livecd |
| 18:59.15 | bonez2046 | THAT'S the thing |
| 18:59.16 | jxqz | that;s the first thing to try I think |
| 18:59.43 | bonez2046 | I have used livecd in the past but now, I can't remember how to mount the hdd |
| 18:59.58 | bonez2046 | I have a terminal window open |
| 18:59.58 | jxqz | open a terminal |
| 19:00.01 | bonez2046 | ok |
| 19:00.05 | jxqz | `sudo -i` |
| 19:00.15 | jxqz | sudo -i |
| 19:00.17 | jxqz | fdisk -l |
| 19:00.27 | jxqz | look at those partitions, mount as necessary |
| 19:00.50 | jxqz | mkdir /mnt/my /mnt/mount /mnt/points |
| 19:00.55 | bonez2046 | it lists a drive on GPT |
| 19:01.11 | jxqz | maybe you should look at it with gparted then |
| 19:01.17 | jxqz | apt-get install gparted |
| 19:02.14 | bonez2046 | THANKS |
| 19:02.17 | bonez2046 | this is helping |
| 19:02.38 | bonez2046 | if I can just get to the document folder and back that up, then there is hope |
| 19:03.10 | bonez2046 | could not stat device - - no such file or directory, when launching gparted |
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| 19:04.37 | bonez2046 | what does that mean....can gparted not see any drive? |
| 19:05.05 | bonez2046 | need to access the drive and reseat it? |
| 19:05.15 | bonez2046 | that seems like the next step |
| 19:09.50 | bonez2046 | hello? |
| 19:12.13 | keldwud | hello |
| 19:12.42 | keldwud | manithree: yeah, I love John Denver. My mother is the one who turned me on to John Denver at an early age. |
| 19:13.46 | keldwud | bonez2046: data recovery? you should definitely charge for that service. It teaches people to be more responsible with their data and it also sets a precedent so that you aren't doing free support for something that could have been prevented |
| 19:14.08 | keldwud | then they have to decide if the data is really worth the money |
| 19:14.39 | keldwud | because it definitely costs you time and you never know, it could just be stuff they really don't need and then you've spent several hours of your time for something that may not even be necessary in the first place |
| 19:14.45 | keldwud | I know that doesn't answer your question, though |
| 19:15.21 | bonez2046 | it's critical school files.....yeah, the kid is 18, has senioritis...it's a quick catch up for him about data back up |
| 19:15.33 | bonez2046 | but your points are all well taken |
| 19:15.47 | keldwud | :) didn't mean for the lecture. just a knee jerk response on my part |
| 19:15.54 | keldwud | only because I've been through it with so many people |
| 19:16.00 | bonez2046 | believe me, if I can recover this, he will pay |
| 19:16.03 | keldwud | haha |
| 19:16.08 | keldwud | he should pay whether you recover or not |
| 19:16.10 | bonez2046 | it's ook, I need the slap aside the head tooo |
| 19:16.14 | shalkie | youtah: I showed a picture you took in the daytime last week to people in LA. They didn't realize they were looking at the inversion and thought it was pretty. Then I told them that they should have been able to see the city and they were disturbed... |
| 19:16.16 | bonez2046 | he will pay |
| 19:16.25 | keldwud | you say gparted doesn't detect the drive? |
| 19:16.38 | keldwud | but the drive is listed in devices? |
| 19:17.04 | bonez2046 | I ran gparted and it can't find a drive |
| 19:17.23 | keldwud | and the drive is mounted or not mounted? |
| 19:17.32 | bonez2046 | I called acer support and they spouted the "just pay us lots of money, blablablahhh" routine |
| 19:17.58 | bonez2046 | I don't think it's mounted...I have ubuntu 13 livecd booted in the laptop |
| 19:18.11 | bonez2046 | the drive lists if I run fdisk -l |
| 19:18.34 | keldwud | can you paste me the output into pastie or pastebin and share the link? |
| 19:19.25 | bonez2046 | ook |
| 19:21.34 | keldwud | did you run gparted with sudo? |
| 19:22.00 | keldwud | also, give me df -h while you're at it |
| 19:23.50 | youtah | shalkie, kind of depressing |
| 19:24.20 | bonez2046 | pastebin.ca/2514394 |
| 19:24.31 | bonez2046 | I ran gparted with sudo |
| 19:24.32 | bonez2046 | yes |
| 19:25.00 | youtah | https://scontent-b.xx.fbcdn.net/hphotos-prn2/1476709_728623268001_1009843005_n.jpg |
| 19:25.07 | keldwud | bonez2046: and df -h? |
| 19:25.26 | keldwud | also, do you know if the drive was partitioned in windows to have more than four partitions? |
| 19:26.18 | bonez2046 | and /2514395 |
| 19:26.33 | bonez2046 | it was just one partition...under window 8 |
| 19:26.48 | bonez2046 | nothing fancy, just came with win8 installed |
| 19:28.26 | keldwud | and the original issue is that it would no longer boot? |
| 19:28.35 | keldwud | and there were drive errors? |
| 19:29.19 | keldwud | bootrec /fixmbr, bootrec /fixboot could possibly help. |
| 19:30.01 | bonez2046 | right |
| 19:30.20 | bonez2046 | he went to bed and it worked, woke the next morning and it's looping in a repair mode |
| 19:30.59 | youtah | The US Dollar is considered a losing long term investment, as it's been losing its value for $227 years in a row. |
| 19:31.05 | youtah | lol |
| 19:31.06 | youtah | oops |
| 19:31.09 | youtah | -$ |
| 19:33.23 | bonez2046 | I am not aware of any drive errors |
| 19:33.42 | bonez2046 | but I am miffed why gparted wouldn't see the drive |
| 19:33.42 | keldwud | you could try the bootrec commands, then |
| 19:33.52 | shalkie | Kind of a fun infographic for Dr. Who |
| 19:33.53 | keldwud | yeah I'm not sure why dparted doesn't see it, either |
| 19:33.53 | bonez2046 | I need to install bootrec |
| 19:33.54 | bonez2046 | brb |
| 19:33.55 | shalkie | www.bbc.com/future/story/20131119-doctor-who-travels-through-time |
| 19:34.21 | bonez2046 | bootrec? |
| 19:34.24 | bonez2046 | is that the applet? |
| 19:34.52 | keldwud | commandline |
| 19:35.09 | bonez2046 | from the terminal? |
| 19:35.22 | bonez2046 | I run that or try and it's not found |
| 19:35.31 | keldwud | sorry. it's a windows tool |
| 19:35.39 | bonez2046 | I can't get to any windows command line |
| 19:35.46 | keldwud | ahh |
| 19:36.14 | keldwud | then fixboot |
| 19:36.19 | keldwud | -er |
| 19:36.22 | keldwud | sorry |
| 19:36.27 | keldwud | n/m |
| 19:36.48 | keldwud | https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Boot-Repair |
| 19:36.51 | keldwud | try that |
| 19:36.53 | bonez2046 | I tried apt-geting that |
| 19:36.54 | bonez2046 | ok |
| 19:38.26 | keldwud | what *does* gparted show in the top right corner, anyway? |
| 19:39.05 | keldwud | is it just blank and when you click on it, more blankness? |
| 19:39.46 | keldwud | http://i.imgur.com/sMIDRTS.png |
| 19:41.10 | bonez2046 | installing bootrepairi now |
| 19:41.21 | bonez2046 | checking gparted |
| 19:42.20 | bonez2046 | libparted 2.3 is running, scanning now |
| 19:43.41 | keldwud | what is the output of gparted? |
| 19:43.51 | keldwud | compared to the image I shared |
| 19:44.34 | bonez2046 | stillscanning |
| 19:45.13 | bonez2046 | finally it is lilsting drive cntents |
| 19:46.57 | bonez2046 | efi detected please check the options |
| 19:47.01 | bonez2046 | that's from boot repair |
| 19:55.09 | bonez2046 | so there are several warnings, when I view the info on /dev/sda4 (msftdata labeled) |
| 19:55.59 | bonez2046 | my output from gparted is all the partitions, 1 to 5...(sorry i gave inaccurate feedback before) |
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| 19:59.04 | keldwud | well, I guess the smart thing to do would be to dd the drive somewhere |
| 19:59.09 | keldwud | so that you can play around with the copy |
| 19:59.12 | keldwud | instead of the original |
| 19:59.19 | keldwud | and if you mess up, just grab another copy |
| 19:59.23 | keldwud | until you figure it out :) |
| 19:59.47 | keldwud | so apparently the crash test dummies have a version of the first noel |
| 19:59.49 | keldwud | TIL |
| 20:00.00 | bonez2046 | ok, I don't have room on my ubuntu box.. |
| 20:00.09 | bonez2046 | but my son's pc has room... |
| 20:00.23 | bonez2046 | I haven't ever done a dd transfer ... advice? |
| 20:00.24 | keldwud | https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AdP9qKxvWh0 |
| 20:00.28 | bonez2046 | I am ok |
| 20:00.33 | keldwud | just read up on the dd man page |
| 20:00.40 | keldwud | it will have details on how to copy |
| 20:00.58 | keldwud | but be careful with it |
| 20:01.03 | keldwud | and heed all warnings |
| 20:01.08 | keldwud | dd is a powerful tool |
| 20:02.00 | bonez2046 | ok |
| 20:05.44 | bonez2046 | can I use cp or dd or whichever tool to back it up over my LAN? |
| 20:06.33 | ldav15 | If the drive is erroring out on dd, there's always GNU ddrescue. |
| 20:07.49 | bonez2046 | how about testdisk? |
| 20:10.36 | bonez2046 | keldwud: for the record, gparted upper right shows /dev/sda (465.76 GB) |
| 20:11.35 | keldwud | oh well in that case, gparted detects it :) |
| 20:11.46 | keldwud | that's where I was getting confused |
| 20:11.46 | bonez2046 | maybe I can try to just mount the partition |
| 20:11.58 | bonez2046 | well, at first it didn't even detect it |
| 20:12.00 | bonez2046 | but now it does |
| 20:12.14 | bonez2046 | i am rusty with mount but am reading the manpage |
| 20:12.24 | keldwud | don't forget to make a copy first :) |
| 20:12.30 | keldwud | if you're serious about the data recovery |
| 20:13.29 | bonez2046 | most serious |
| 20:13.51 | bonez2046 | just trying to hack through the cobwebs in my skull |
| 20:14.22 | bonez2046 | for using tools to backup across network |
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| 20:30.47 | bonez2046 | greetings, Mr. Ashdown |
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| 20:32.36 | bonez2046 | keldwud: thanks for your help |
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| 20:32.59 | keldwud | np, I always accept bitcoin tips ;) lol |
| 20:33.05 | keldwud | although I don't really think I helped you that much |
| 20:33.07 | keldwud | just listened |
| 20:33.29 | keldwud | we need a bitcointip bot in here |
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| 20:36.21 | keldwud | dont forget that as part of his payment, he has to open a dropbox account |
| 20:36.24 | keldwud | or something similar |
| 20:36.33 | keldwud | before you give him his data |
| 20:37.13 | keldwud | and a thumbdrive. he needs one of those, too |
| 20:38.43 | keldwud | dropbox folder gets stored on thumbdrive |
| 20:38.55 | keldwud | that way he's always got his data |
| 20:40.07 | jxqz | I think the NSA has a program for that |
| 20:40.21 | jxqz | also, I think their data is going to be more complete than your own records |
| 20:40.28 | jxqz | is the NSA god? |
| 20:41.42 | keldwud | oooh, that's a great philisophical question |
| 20:41.52 | keldwud | and in many instances, you can actually answer yes |
| 20:41.56 | keldwud | because they play the same role |
| 20:41.59 | undertakingyou | jxqz: they do seem omniscient |
| 20:42.07 | jxqz | If bash were still a think, I'd bash myself |
| 20:42.11 | jxqz | because I'm vain like that |
| 20:42.14 | keldwud | they serve as the panopticon of modern times |
| 20:42.33 | keldwud | before the information age, god was used to keep people in line |
| 20:42.36 | keldwud | then laws |
| 20:42.38 | keldwud | now the NSA |
| 20:42.58 | keldwud | or, constant and permanent surveillance, to make it more abstract |
| 20:43.26 | keldwud | OMG |
| 20:43.30 | fugue88 | OMNSA |
| 20:43.31 | keldwud | NSA = SANTA CLAUSE! |
| 20:43.38 | keldwud | DUDE! |
| 20:43.46 | keldwud | SANTA CLAUS = NSA |
| 20:43.51 | keldwud | THEY ARE THE SAME PERSON! |
| 20:43.54 | fugue88 | OMSC, you're right! |
| 20:43.56 | jxqz | keldwud: no, I think that's microsoft |
| 20:44.00 | keldwud | hgaha |
| 20:44.02 | jxqz | +kinnect |
| 20:44.11 | jxqz | watching you while you watch |
| 20:44.23 | keldwud | you know, if santa claus were real, the NSA already would have had a permanent office at the north pole in santa's headwuarters |
| 20:44.30 | keldwud | *quarter |
| 20:44.48 | jxqz | 'we need to ensure proper body language is offered unto our most holy iNTELLECTUAL pROPERTY' |
| 20:45.26 | keldwud | yeah, if you're not responding with the proper emotions, you get punished |
| 20:45.54 | keldwud | like if your eyes stray away during a commercial |
| 20:48.40 | pashdown | hello bonez |
| 20:48.49 | keldwud | has technology always been an arms race between those who want to use it to control people and those who want to free people? |
| 21:07.55 | Migs | um |
| 21:08.01 | Migs | I guess that's one way to do it? |
| 21:17.28 | mrpull | fozzmoo: thanks for sharing the ZFS presentation |
| 21:17.35 | mrpull | fozzmoo: it's really good |
| 21:20.34 | keldwud | where's this presentation at? |
| 21:20.38 | keldwud | I've been wanting to learn about zfs |
| 21:21.18 | mrpull | keldwud: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ny6N8RHX1lQ&feature=youtu.be |
| 21:21.39 | mrpull | keldwud: slides here: http://aarontoponce.org/presents/zfs/zfs.html |
| 21:22.23 | keldwud | cool beans, thanks :) |
| 21:30.43 | jxqz | so, I installed fedora 20 |
| 21:30.56 | jxqz | on a thinkpad |
| 21:31.04 | jxqz | and I'm getting SEVERE artifacts |
| 21:31.09 | jxqz | all over the place |
| 21:31.25 | jxqz | mostly on top of fonts |
| 21:31.44 | jxqz | please help |
| 21:31.49 | jxqz | I don't want to go back to ubuntu |
| 21:31.53 | jxqz | :( |
| 21:31.56 | jxqz | :) |
| 21:33.06 | youtah | http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2460992/Goats-defy-death-scale-dam-Italian-lake-Gran-Paradiso-National-Park.html |
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| 22:11.38 | jxqz | a driver issue, I' guessing |
| 22:11.42 | jxqz | m |
| 22:33.06 | ldav15 | So I guess jxqz answered my question: Should I upgrade my laptop (Thinkpad) to Fedora 20? |
| 22:34.05 | jxqz | ldav15: what hw do you have in there? |
| 22:34.11 | jxqz | are you onn 19? |
| 22:34.16 | jxqz | s/n// |
| 22:34.21 | ldav15 | I'm on F19 now. |
| 22:34.29 | jxqz | and it worketh? |
| 22:34.58 | ldav15 | I've had it on F18 and F19 as well. |
| 22:35.01 | jxqz | do you have the ati video card? |
| 22:35.07 | ldav15 | and it works, yes. |
| 22:35.22 | jxqz | are you using the proprietary driver? |
| 22:35.38 | ldav15 | I don't know about the video card... gotta check. |
| 22:36.00 | jxqz | I have the radeon HD 7420G |
| 22:42.33 | ldav15 | It's an old laptop with an Intel card. |
| 22:49.34 | jxqz | ldav15: I'm guessing you're not going to have the same problms as me |
| 22:50.27 | ldav15 | Since F20 is so new, I didn't want to experience the 5th Fedora F: fiasco |
| 22:50.38 | jxqz | haha |
| 22:52.40 | ldav15 | To be fair it's not unique to Fedora that stuff is found to be broken on day 1 of a new release. |
| 23:23.03 | jxqz | what is kmod-catalyst? every howto I'm looking at assumes that I can just yum install it |
| 23:23.13 | jxqz | in fact, I don't even care what it is |
| 23:23.19 | jxqz | I just want a video driver that works |
| 23:30.33 | unum | manithree: which party platform, count,state, or national |
| 23:30.43 | unum | manithree: by platform I'm assuming you mean the written platform |
| 23:33.31 | unum | while I know there are republicans that think abortion should never be allowed(not even to save the mothers life), and they managed to get that written into their platform, none of the republicans on my ballot believe that and I'm not going to hold them accountable for that |
| 23:34.09 | keldwud | guilty by association, yo |
| 23:35.08 | unum | I very much prefer to not vote for them based off of beliefs I know they actually have |
| 23:35.57 | unum | like my state senator who opposes amature piano recitals being hosted in public libraries for no/low cost |
| 23:36.22 | keldwud | but that's unfair competetion to all the starving artists who try to make a living |
| 23:36.39 | keldwud | you can't just have somebody offering subsidised concerts |
| 23:36.43 | unum | no need to go to some obscure sentance in a document he had nothing to do with and hardly one reads |
| 23:36.44 | keldwud | it's an unfair market advantage |
| 23:36.49 | keldwud | ;) |
| 23:37.27 | unum | keldwud: the actual argument is about the cost of the room. Hotels have rooms for that sort of thing. Hotels pay a lot of taxes. Those taxes are then used to build libraries that offer competing services. |
| 23:39.37 | keldwud | I couldn't quite parse the logic in that |
| 23:39.55 | keldwud | is there some there? :) |
| 23:40.19 | keldwud | I'm sure the underlying argument is that free performances hurt businesses somehow or another |
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| 23:41.04 | unum | it's not the performance |
| 23:41.26 | unum | it's the room. allowing them to rent the room at library hurts businesses that provide room rental. |
| 23:42.17 | unum | so if a piano instructor wants to host a recital for her students and their families, the instructor should rent a room from a business(such as a hotel) |
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| 23:44.42 | unum | again his argument, not mine |
| 23:46.41 | unum | my argument is I'm going to base my decisions off what they say and do, not some obscure document they've probably never read |
| 23:55.13 | youtah | http://thefederalist.com/2013/12/17/dozen-funniest-variations-obamas-pajama-boy-propaganda/ |
| 23:55.15 | youtah | via Jayce^ |
| 23:57.25 | rsimpkins | I'm in this camp: All sides are wrong. |
| 23:57.32 | rsimpkins | Which camp is that? |
| 23:58.54 | youtah | I am depressed now |
| 23:59.00 | rsimpkins | I would love to see what might happen if we included "none" or "no action" on every ballot item and measure. We might elect no one to president. |
| 23:59.14 | youtah | The Ute Weather center just said that this storm isn't going to be strong enough to clear out the valley haze |
| 23:59.31 | jnbek | that sucks |
| 23:59.35 | rsimpkins | youtah: Why does that make you sad? You might score more amazing shots! :) |
| 23:59.36 | jnbek | we need more windz |
