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| 00:37.40 | KingMichael | Howdy people |
| 00:38.24 | levi | Heya. |
| 00:41.08 | KingMichael | Iv got a friend wanting to move up hear from cali does any one no of any programing jobs ? around sandy or salt lake city |
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| 00:46.19 | levi | I'll bet there are a lot of them. Depends on what kind of programming, though. |
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| 00:47.32 | KingMichael | He codes in C pearl php some Javascript hes got a pretty impressive resume |
| 00:48.15 | KingMichael | Hes an irc buddy but hes wanting to look for other opportunity out of cali |
| 00:48.35 | levi | I don't know of any openings myself, but a post to PLUG might turn some up or at least put you in touch with some recruiters. |
| 00:49.43 | KingMichael | levi thats cool i was just wondering for the most part heres is resume i'm just still new to this stuff idk |
| 00:49.58 | KingMichael | heres his resume http://oldcoder.org/general/misc/aboutme.html |
| 00:50.09 | eightyeight | goozbach: https://github.com/atoponce/dotfiles/blob/master/.gnus |
| 00:50.36 | eightyeight | some things are working that i need ot flush out: |
| 00:51.19 | eightyeight | 1) auto gpg signing, 2) custom headers aren't getting posted, 3) gmail signature isn't getting applied, and 4) html email isn't getting converted to text |
| 00:51.29 | eightyeight | but, it's functional |
| 00:52.11 | eightyeight | aft |
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| 00:56.54 | KingMichael | Hello OldCoder welcome to utah |
| 00:57.04 | OldCoder | Thanks. levi, thanks for commenting. KingMichael spoke pretty kindly. Odd situation; I'm a Old Coder with 35 years experience. I think I've got... |
| 00:57.17 | OldCoder | to leave the State. Michael is in Utah so maybe there. |
| 00:57.39 | OldCoder | Heh. Basically time to leave Silicon Valley after decades and just pick a State. Should it be Utah? |
| 00:57.47 | OldCoder | if anybody is here feel free to comment |
| 00:58.14 | OldCoder | KingMichael, PLUG might be a users group; I'll check it out. |
| 00:58.19 | KingMichael | K |
| 01:10.23 | levi | Yes, PLUG is the Provo Linux Users Group; it's the most active Linux users group in the area, at least as far as I'm aware, and there are several recruiters that are active on the list. |
| 01:10.40 | levi | There are usually more people on the channel here during the day. |
| 01:10.48 | KingMichael | OldCoder ^^ |
| 01:12.45 | OldCoder | levi, thanks again! |
| 01:13.03 | OldCoder | Hmm. Levi do you suppose that recruiters frequent other channels? |
| 01:13.49 | levi | I'm not sure that recruiters frequent the IRC channels at all. Some do watch the PLUG email list, though. |
| 01:14.04 | OldCoder | May I post my LinkedIn? You might see the issue |
| 01:15.18 | OldCoder | It is not a normal career; basically I was a generalist all the way through. My PHP5 code is excellent but I have worked in Perl for 22 years. I am qualified for a lot of things but I may end up selling hardware in Michael's town. |
| 01:15.33 | OldCoder | <PROTECTED> |
| 01:16.21 | levi | Actually, there are probably some perl positions open. |
| 01:16.32 | levi | You'd want to talk to Jayce^ about that, probably. |
| 01:16.34 | KingMichael | will be back |
| 01:17.08 | levi | Also try the Utah Perl Mongers email list. |
| 01:17.12 | OldCoder | levi, I shall hang out then |
| 01:17.35 | OldCoder | Quite flexible; another startuper wants me to go to Des Moines |
| 01:17.51 | OldCoder | And in January I almost moved in with one in Mississippi |
| 01:17.55 | OldCoder | (sp?) |
| 01:18.08 | OldCoder | But none of them has a spare room; need to earn rent |
| 01:18.36 | OldCoder | I actually have an offer of a couch in Shanghai, China; but little chance of finding a job quickly there |
| 01:19.40 | levi | You teach coding in IRC, eh? Where at? |
| 01:21.04 | KingMichael | Hes been teaching me for all most 2 years |
| 01:22.53 | levi | Cool. |
| 01:23.32 | KingMichael | yeah :) |
| 01:23.52 | sontek | As someone who used to live in Utah and now lives in Silicon Valley... Utah is way better |
| 01:24.37 | sontek | Especially if you enjoy a real hacker culture, instead of a startup culture |
| 01:25.58 | KingMichael | OldCoder ^^ |
| 01:27.05 | levi | There are a surprisingly large number of programming jobs in Utah, too. |
| 01:28.08 | OldCoder | levi, a couple of channels. Nothing formal. |
| 01:28.14 | OldCoder | levi, Basically I volunteer for Zymic |
| 01:28.32 | OldCoder | Not every day; answer web questions there. KingMichael wandered by 2 years back |
| 01:28.37 | OldCoder | We've become friends |
| 01:28.44 | KingMichael | I'm going to salt lake community college to talk to a counselor about the web programing course i'm excited |
| 01:28.55 | OldCoder | sontek, You have me seriously considering it |
| 01:29.07 | OldCoder | Folks, if this is O.K. here is my LinkedIn. Do I qualify? |
| 01:29.19 | OldCoder | http://linkedin.oldcoder.org/ |
| 01:29.27 | OldCoder | and the resume: |
| 01:29.36 | OldCoder | http://oldcoder.org/general/misc/aboutme.html |
| 01:29.39 | OldCoder | Thing is... |
| 01:29.55 | OldCoder | I am ridiculously experienced. But unemployable. I was a generalist. |
| 01:30.13 | OldCoder | I did recruiting myself in 2011. Learned about the checkboxes. |
| 01:30.24 | OldCoder | Should have focused on the latest front end frameworks for 5 years |
| 01:30.27 | OldCoder | shrugs |
| 01:30.54 | OldCoder | By checkboxes... recruiters use very specific filters |
| 01:31.05 | OldCoder | I liked Utah on visits years ago |
| 01:31.35 | OldCoder | sontek, Oh, you are here in Silicon Valley? |
| 01:32.05 | OldCoder | I need to leave the area due to rent; but I am near El Camino Real and San Antonio Road in Mountain View |
| 01:32.10 | OldCoder | Not far from Google |
| 01:32.16 | levi | I'd recommend we call you in if there were any openings in my group right now. We're kind of a team of generalists. :) |
| 01:32.21 | OldCoder | Heh |
| 01:32.26 | OldCoder | Pleased to meet you regardless |
| 01:32.47 | OldCoder | I should have started to meet people sooner; but in the past 2 years I've accumulated some good folks |
| 01:33.23 | OldCoder | KingMichael hopes to make a music site. If he proceeds one step at a time he's got a shot. |
| 01:33.43 | OldCoder | But I warn him... startups usually fail. So make the trip worthwhile. Learn everything. |
| 01:33.44 | levi | I work for the Corporate Technology Group of Harman International. We do various and assorted R&D projects for technology that looks useful for future products. |
| 01:33.52 | OldCoder | Disruptive? |
| 01:33.57 | OldCoder | Or general tech? |
| 01:34.24 | OldCoder | If I've used the term incorrectly, excuse me; picking things up again now |
| 01:35.00 | levi | Well, for example, we've been heavily involved in the IEEE standardization of the Audio-Video Bridging protocols and getting an industry alliance formed around them. |
| 01:35.54 | OldCoder | Reviewing IEEE standardization effort; back in a few minutes |
| 01:36.37 | levi | But we also do some short-term projects, from feasibility testing product ideas based on current tech to working with specific customers to find technical solutions to their problems. |
| 01:36.50 | OldCoder | Hmm... Do you work with marketing people too? |
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| 01:37.26 | OldCoder | Wikipedia indicates the standards are in place... |
| 01:37.49 | OldCoder | Where did the profit come from in forming the alliance? |
| 01:38.01 | OldCoder | Ah |
| 01:38.02 | OldCoder | Wait |
| 01:38.15 | levi | We've been working on them for years now. The first version of the standards are in place, but we're trying to move things towards applicability to more industries. |
| 01:38.23 | OldCoder | Heh. Your firm is a strong buy. |
| 01:38.31 | OldCoder | Wish I was still in the stock market. |
| 01:38.49 | OldCoder | Whoa; 92% in a year? |
| 01:39.25 | OldCoder | Harman funds this... receives benefits in different ways? |
| 01:39.33 | OldCoder | The IEEE related work, I mean |
| 01:40.35 | levi | Well, we are an audio company mostly, and the entire audio industry benefits from having a standard audio networking protocol that meets the various needs of pro audio. |
| 01:42.48 | OldCoder | O.K. |
| 01:42.52 | levi | The current tech is very limited, expensive, and proprietary. CobraNet is what most audio networking installs use, and it's available from a single source for an exorbitant price and requires a lot of custom network engineering to get set up properly. |
| 01:42.59 | OldCoder | Ah! |
| 01:43.04 | OldCoder | brb phone |
| 01:43.17 | levi | Plus it can be broken if other traffic gets onto the CobraNet network. |
| 01:55.45 | OldCoder | Back |
| 01:57.27 | OldCoder | And Harman played key roles in setting the standards |
| 01:57.31 | OldCoder | k |
| 01:58.44 | levi | Yes, and the Corporate Technology Group in particular within Harman. Two of my coworkers regularly attend the meetings and have served as editors and/or chairs for specific standards documents. |
| 01:59.58 | OldCoder | levi, no need to comment on this, but if I'd worked in audio for years I'd have the background to work on standards. I'd have the frameworks etc. for other projects. My skills are not obsolete but they are simply the background for most specialized areas. I'm not a match for most entry-level or senior positions; but I feel that I may find special cases. |
| 02:00.38 | OldCoder | Hmm; worded poorly. Point is that I can follow what your group does but how is it a generalist setup? |
| 02:00.50 | levi | Well, neither of these guys had tons of audio/networking background when they started doing the standards stuff. |
| 02:00.54 | OldCoder | Ah |
| 02:01.09 | OldCoder | So, good at information? Picking up things? Catching inconsistencies? |
| 02:01.30 | levi | Yeah. |
| 02:01.39 | OldCoder | Technical writing, diagrams, background information? |
| 02:01.57 | OldCoder | Heh; actually, all of that is one of my strong suits |
| 02:02.15 | levi | I figured so. |
| 02:02.23 | OldCoder | But how do I Google for positions that are about information at their heart? |
| 02:02.27 | OldCoder | Each will be different |
| 02:02.39 | OldCoder | levi, yes; Michael and I are both a little neurodiverse |
| 02:02.42 | levi | You don't, really. I lucked into this job. |
| 02:02.49 | OldCoder | In my case, it proved to be a blessing |
| 02:02.50 | OldCoder | Ah |
| 02:02.53 | OldCoder | Luck is good |
| 02:03.06 | levi | Or I guess you could say I networked into it. |
| 02:03.09 | OldCoder | Hmm; good luck is good |
| 02:03.11 | OldCoder | Exactly |
| 02:03.17 | OldCoder | Autistic people don't get networks |
| 02:03.25 | OldCoder | Been working on that for a couple of years |
| 02:03.42 | OldCoder | shrugs |
| 02:03.49 | OldCoder | levi, You have been very kind to speak |
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| 02:04.15 | OldCoder | I will ask the Perl person about that side sometime |
| 02:04.35 | levi | Well, I got the previous job due to a roommate at school. And then the current job due to a co-worker at the previous job who switched before I did. |
| 02:04.45 | OldCoder | Yes... |
| 02:05.05 | levi | I am not exactly a networker myself. |
| 02:05.07 | OldCoder | The contract with Northrop-Grumman on my resume... the project manager had been a CEO of mine before |
| 02:05.21 | OldCoder | Even small contacts help, I think |
| 02:06.29 | levi | Well, good luck in your search. I think you'll be successful at finding a job in Utah, especially if you are able to take some time looking around. |
| 02:06.45 | levi | It's certainly far cheaper to live here than in Silicon Valley. |
| 02:06.57 | OldCoder | Yes but need to find a good match |
| 02:07.33 | OldCoder | As I am considering a hardware store job, I will be pleased to find possible jobs that still involve Perl |
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| 16:52.13 | jxqz | ~napoleon lua |
| 16:52.13 | infobot | ACTION eats all of lua's steak |
| 16:52.52 | rsimpkins | jxqz: Go make yourself a dang qusadilla. |
| 17:00.48 | jxqz | ~napoleon |
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| 17:58.59 | youtah | fozzmoo, congrats btw! |
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| 18:22.56 | toocanX | seems like a good idea, right? |
| 18:22.57 | toocanX | :D |
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| 18:23.18 | toocanX | can Comcast upload software onto a wireless device to make it so that they can continue their hotspot project? |
| 18:23.26 | toocanX | errr the router |
| 18:23.46 | toocanX | doesn't make sense for them to be able to, but I suppose they could.. |
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| 19:29.51 | rsimpkins | toocanX: What? |
| 19:31.43 | shalkie | toocanX: The real solution to Comcast is to not use Comcast. :-P |
| 19:32.15 | rsimpkins | Why does fozzmoo require congratulations? Promotion? Winning the lottery? Retirement? |
| 19:32.32 | shalkie | It was so awesome to go look at homes yesterday and seeing Utopia equipment already installed! :) |
| 19:32.58 | shalkie | rsimpkins: I was wondering the same thing. |
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| 19:38.03 | youtah | http://i.imgur.com/jcJec0K.png |
| 19:38.50 | rsimpkins | youtah: Austin Powers doesn't celebrate Christmas... Christmas celebrates Austin Powers. |
| 19:39.04 | levi | rsimpkins: I'm around now, if you still have lua questions. |
| 19:39.43 | rsimpkins | levi: I'm trying to learn, but I'm facing the distinct possibility that I'm not talented or smart enough to really be effective. |
| 19:40.00 | rsimpkins | I'm having fun learning regardless. |
| 19:40.16 | levi | rsimpkins: I'm sure that's not the issue. It just takes time to get familiar with new things. |
| 19:40.54 | rsimpkins | levi: Is this the best place to learn the basics? http://lua-users.org/wiki/OperatorsTutorial |
| 19:41.21 | rsimpkins | levi: I got about half way through the manual before my brain hurt. I think I'll pick it up again after getting some more experience with it. |
| 19:41.22 | levi | I think the best place to learn the basics is probably Programming In Lua. |
| 19:41.43 | levi | The Lua manual itself is very precise, but more of a reference than a tutorial. |
| 19:42.39 | levi | Programming in Lua is much more tutorial in approach and is well-written. The older edition is a bit out of date, but it is free and is still effective at teaching the fundamentals of the language. |
| 19:43.01 | rsimpkins | The ebook is $23. Anyone know of any discount codes for feistyduck.com? |
| 19:43.39 | levi | Just grab the free one for now. The new edition is very similar. |
| 19:43.42 | rsimpkins | My brain is greenfield. I don't want to pollute it just yet. :) |
| 19:44.34 | youtah | http://www.theatlantic.com/infocus/2013/12/krampus-saint-nicholas-dark-companion/100639/ |
| 19:44.46 | youtah | WHY in the world are we not celebrating Krampus here in the US? |
| 19:44.50 | youtah | and how can we change this? |
| 19:45.31 | levi | rsimpkins: Do you have any ideas for what kind of programs you'd like to write with lua? |
| 19:46.37 | rsimpkins | levi: I have a very specific goal, but I am willing to be flexible. I want to ensure I have a backup career path at Adobe. Adobe uses Lua extensivley in their creative products. Therefore, I will eventually be targetting their SDKs and building experience with the Adobe world. |
| 19:48.10 | rsimpkins | I don't have illusions of being some master programmer, I just want to build up some marketable lua skills over the next 6-8 years. |
| 19:48.32 | levi | Well, Lua itself is a fairly minimal language; it's got the core language bits, but not a lot of libraries. There are lots of libraries *available* for standalone lua programming, but it's often used as it is in Adobe where the application it's embedded in provides all the libraries. |
| 19:48.46 | youtah | Can we go back to celebrating Krampus and not Lua? |
| 19:48.51 | youtah | ;-) |
| 19:48.51 | levi | youtah: No. |
| 19:49.09 | rsimpkins | youtah: I will be writting Lr plugins soon that you will want to be using. In which case you will regret that remark. |
| 19:49.29 | rsimpkins | will have his revenge! :) |
| 19:49.38 | youtah | Will they be Krampus plugins? |
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| 19:50.01 | rsimpkins | youtah: Just for you.... I'll call one of them YouKrampus. |
| 19:50.12 | youtah | Yes |
| 19:50.41 | mrpull1 | youtah: Krampus *is* beautiful |
| 19:50.57 | mrpull | I must teach my kids right away |
| 19:51.02 | youtah | 10X better than elf on a shelf |
| 19:51.12 | rsimpkins | levi: Agreed, which is why I'm not just targeting lua, but mastery of the Adobe SDKs. |
| 19:51.37 | rsimpkins | levi: Or some level of mastery that might be an escape hatch of I need it. |
| 19:52.22 | rsimpkins | And because I'm really interested in digital imaging and Adobe's creative suite of products. |
| 19:53.10 | rsimpkins | Not that I'm too terribly worried - I don't what to give that impression. Our division here did $1B last year, and grew 26% year over year. |
| 19:53.54 | rsimpkins | Just that I personally want the option to go do something else if I want to in the future. |
| 19:54.03 | rsimpkins | ^^ For the public record. :( |
| 19:55.12 | manithree | http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6EmqsEHl3P8 |
| 19:57.17 | levi | rsimpkins: I guess the first thing you want to understand about lua is what its basic building blocks are. Data you can create in lua falls into a few types: numbers, booleans, strings, functions, and a special thing called a table. Also, there's a value called 'nil'. |
| 19:57.57 | rsimpkins | levi: I'm up to at least that far. |
| 19:58.24 | rsimpkins | I'm to control structures at the moment. |
| 19:58.27 | levi | rsimpkins: In addition to the stuff you can create in lua itself, C libraries can create something called 'userdata'. It's basically an opaque reference to the memory that's managed by the C runtime. |
| 19:59.00 | keldwud | anybody have experience with clusterssh? |
| 19:59.07 | levi | The control structures are mostly basic; your if/then/else conditional, your for loop, etc. |
| 19:59.30 | keldwud | one of my xterm sessions that it opens (1 out of n) has very tiny text/display :( |
| 19:59.35 | keldwud | so tiny I can't even read it |
| 19:59.38 | keldwud | the rest are normal |
| 19:59.41 | levi | There are also 'do' and 'while' loops. |
| 19:59.53 | keldwud | while true |
| 20:00.12 | levi | One quirk is that there are different kinds of for loops; the numeric for and the generic for. |
| 20:01.53 | levi | Er, I mean 'repeat' rather than 'do'. |
| 20:02.04 | rsimpkins | levi: Can we talk style for one second? I don't want to train my brain wrong. It seems like I can put a ';' at the end of a line, but it isn't required. Is it bad form to end lines this way - or does ';' do something I don't understand? |
| 20:02.24 | rsimpkins | print(a); == print(a) |
| 20:02.33 | manithree | thought everybody saw the "Here comes Krampus" video in 2007 |
| 20:04.24 | jxqz | ugh, optional syntax |
| 20:04.52 | levi | rsimpkins: It's completely optional. It doesn't do anything at all. |
| 20:05.17 | rsimpkins | levi: Yeah, but in terms of not writting annoying lua - is it typically excluded unless including multiple statements on the same line? |
| 20:05.40 | rsimpkins | That's what it says in this book, but I wanted a second opinion. |
| 20:05.57 | levi | rsimpkins: Most lua example code has no semicolons, but it may vary in certain embedded code applications. |
| 20:06.37 | rsimpkins | Okay. I'll train to write without it. |
| 20:07.52 | levi | So, the generic for loop is for use with a special kind of iterator function. There's pattern to writing your own iterators, but mostly the ones provided with the standard lua libraries are sufficient. |
| 20:08.24 | levi | The ones you'll use the most are pairs() and ipairs(), which you can use to iterate over tables. |
| 20:09.20 | levi | And tables are really the heart of lua. All aggregate data structures are build out of tables, and many userdata can be manipulated as tables as well. |
| 20:10.04 | rsimpkins | I look forward to learning more about them. Based on my initial reading, they sound very powerful. Much more flexible than other data strctures I am familiar with. |
| 20:10.53 | levi | They're a data structure that is simultaneously an array and a hash table. As long as you use a table as either an array or a hash table, it will be very efficient for the way you use it. |
| 20:13.14 | levi | Although you probably won't need to write any yourself at first, you should be aware of the 'metatable' field that every table potentially has. This allows you to change the default behavior of certain aspects of a table. And it's how userdata can be programmed to work like tables, even though they're technically not. |
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| 20:17.28 | youtah | Who was it in here that was asking me about Vivint Wireless? |
| 20:17.32 | youtah | I cant remember |
| 20:17.54 | youtah | they were asking about availability in Lehi |
| 20:18.59 | levi | There are a certain set of operations that you can do on a table; for each of these operations, you can override the default behavior for a specific table. You do this by filling out a table with fields named after the overridable operations, called 'metamethods'. You then assign that table as the 'metatable' for the table that you want to change the behavior of. |
| 20:19.48 | levi | You can override indexing, getting, setting, comparison tests, basic arithmetic operations, etc. |
| 20:21.15 | levi | This gets you the extension points you need to implement lots of interesting things, like an object-oriented inheritance system for tables, or memoizing functions (functions that cache previous results). |
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| 20:22.06 | rsimpkins | levi: Sounds like tie for hashes in Perl, but not as annoying. |
| 20:22.38 | levi | It's also kind of like Javascript objects, but not as annoying. |
| 20:23.39 | levi | There's a little bit of syntax sugar for function calls to allow a more OO-style, but it doesn't do anything magical like Javascript's 'this' reference. |
| 20:36.26 | levi | The scoping rules of lua variables are also less annoying and quirky than Javascript, Python, etc. You still have to use 'local' for local variables, but that's really the only unambiguous way to do lexically-scoped variables. |
| 20:37.27 | youtah | http://i.imgur.com/eE9t7AH.jpg |
| 20:37.47 | levi | The designers of lua clearly valued simple, straightforward behavior over syntactic trendiness. |
| 20:38.53 | youtah | VoIP |
| 20:38.55 | youtah | http://i.imgur.com/oZUbdmN.gif |
| 20:39.00 | youtah | Violence over IP |
| 20:41.22 | keldwud | ~lart youtah |
| 20:41.22 | infobot | slaps youtah upside the head with a wet fish |
| 20:41.36 | keldwud | Violence over IRC |
| 20:41.44 | youtah | ViRC |
| 20:42.06 | youtah | So I got into the HAM Tech class for the 21st |
| 20:43.16 | keldwud | oh I did too |
| 20:43.20 | keldwud | I got the reply email |
| 20:43.28 | keldwud | now I just need to find a sitter |
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| 20:47.49 | youtah | It's crap like this... http://investigations.nbcnews.com/_news/2013/12/16/21911592-climate-change-experts-fraud-was-crime-of-massive-proportion-say-feds |
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| 21:04.59 | youtah | http://i.imgur.com/rTTI2nt.jpg?1 |
| 21:10.47 | neybar_work | ok, I'm disturbed by the dude at the EPA, but at the same time I secretly think it is sorta awesome. |
| 21:11.21 | neybar_work | "I'm not coming in to work today... or next month. I have to do some secret spy stuff. l8r" |
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| 21:22.40 | tomstokes | Points for creativity |
| 21:40.33 | youtah | lol neybar_work |
| 21:41.50 | pashdown | hey bubs, i've setup a bitcoin/primecoin/litecoin/dogecoin seed server at coin.xmission.com, feel free to use it. |
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| 21:42.06 | youtah | pashdown, SWEET! |
| 21:42.17 | youtah | can I tweet this pashdown? |
| 21:42.38 | youtah | or do you want this not as open to the world? |
| 21:43.11 | pashdown | well, by its nature it is hard to block from the world using it |
| 21:43.18 | pashdown | so whatevs |
| 21:48.48 | keldwud | cheeesecaaaake |
| 21:48.52 | keldwud | oh cool |
| 21:49.05 | keldwud | @ pashdown's *coin seed server |
| 21:49.10 | keldwud | pashdown++ |
| 21:49.48 | youtah | keldwud, add the ~ |
| 21:49.56 | youtah | ~pashdown++ |
| 21:50.01 | youtah | ~karma pashdown |
| 21:50.01 | infobot | pashdown has karma of 7 |
| 21:50.17 | keldwud | ~pashdown++ |
| 21:50.25 | keldwud | infobot didn't accept my first one |
| 21:50.28 | keldwud | thought it was spam |
| 21:50.31 | youtah | yeah, from a repeat? |
| 21:50.40 | keldwud | yeah |
| 21:51.18 | keldwud | now we need a way to convert imaginary internet points into imaginary digital currencies ;) |
| 21:51.43 | keldwud | bitcoin tips should be standard in irc bots |
| 21:51.46 | keldwud | that would be cool |
| 21:52.16 | keldwud | anybody want to make a help channel on IRC where people can bitcoin tip for helpfulness? |
| 21:52.34 | goozbach | ohh |
| 21:52.37 | goozbach | I like that idea |
| 21:53.08 | keldwud | :) |
| 21:53.25 | keldwud | I've been wanting to get paid in bitcoins for the last couple years |
| 21:53.34 | keldwud | just haven't found a way to get people to pay me them |
| 21:53.55 | keldwud | I'd go with the pay what you want model |
| 21:53.58 | keldwud | I'm a big fan of that |
| 21:54.15 | keldwud | and consider them tips, that way, tipping isn't a requirement, just a suggestion |
| 21:54.27 | keldwud | but people can feel bad if they can afford to tip but don't :) |
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| 21:54.43 | keldwud | although, the other barrier to entry is getting the users to have bitcoins in the first place |
| 21:54.58 | keldwud | if they are asking for tech help, they most likely don't have a bitcoin wallet :( |
| 21:55.40 | keldwud | so there would have to be a website front-end |
| 21:56.05 | keldwud | meh, I think I'm changing my mind now :) |
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| 22:34.54 | fozzmoo | rsimpkins: ?? |
| 22:35.24 | fozzmoo | youtah: Congrats for what? |
| 22:45.59 | youtah | on achieving cold status |
| 22:48.25 | fozzmoo | Oh. Heh. |
| 22:48.42 | rsimpkins | cold status? |
| 22:48.47 | fozzmoo | And, I've started losing my (remaining) hearing. |
| 22:48.55 | fozzmoo | rsimpkins: Yes, I have a cold... just like everyone else. |
| 22:49.12 | youtah | Yes, welcome |
| 22:49.56 | rsimpkins | You'd think the cold virus would die in sub-zero temperatures. |
| 22:50.05 | youtah | You know what |
| 22:50.09 | youtah | you know what's scary? |
| 22:50.10 | youtah | Polio |
| 22:50.26 | fozzmoo | jumps back and screams |
| 22:50.27 | youtah | My friend works with chemicals in a bio lab (testing to see what kills what) |
| 22:50.49 | fozzmoo | Sounds like a fun job. |
| 22:50.53 | youtah | He said he can leave the Polio virus on a dry counter top, and come back 30 days later and it's perfectly fine |
| 22:51.09 | youtah | he said he can spray polio with clorox and it just happily swims around in it. |
| 22:51.26 | neybar_work | wow |
| 22:51.47 | macnewbold | good thing he's vaccinated already |
| 22:51.49 | fozzmoo | I understand e.coli swims happily in Betos nachos. |
| 22:51.54 | youtah | ROFL |
| 22:52.01 | neybar_work | *spews* |
| 22:52.33 | youtah | envisions what leaving a virus on a counter would look like. |
| 22:52.43 | youtah | "now where did I put that?" |
| 22:54.24 | youtah | http://i.imgur.com/TnsFL5S.gif |
| 22:55.32 | rsimpkins | youtah: I read The Hot Zone, and now I walk in fear. |
| 22:57.06 | rsimpkins | "Zaire virus, ZEBOV has the highest case-fatality rate, up to 90% in some epidemics, with an average case fatality rate of approximately 83% over 27 years." |
| 22:59.44 | youtah | Gah! |
| 22:59.50 | youtah | Did I share this in here already? http://i.imgur.com/jcJec0K.png |
| 23:02.38 | fozzmoo | You posted that on FB. |
| 23:02.49 | youtah | Yes |
| 23:03.00 | fozzmoo | Which, if rsimpkins was my friend on FB, he'd suddenly have contextual awareness! |
| 23:03.00 | youtah | I am getting ready to start making purchases |
| 23:03.10 | youtah | LOL, Ouch! rsimpkins |
| 23:03.16 | rsimpkins | fozzmoo: I approve all people who want to be my friends. |
| 23:03.37 | rsimpkins | Except people who look like serial killers. |
| 23:03.42 | rsimpkins | I deny them. |
| 23:04.00 | youtah | What about bots? |
| 23:04.02 | fozzmoo | Damn. For a moment, I thought I had a chance. |
| 23:04.09 | youtah | They always have such attractive photos |
| 23:04.24 | rsimpkins | youtah: Only approve bots if the thumbnail picture is resonably attractive. I don't want to be friends with ugly bots. |
| 23:04.40 | youtah | rsimpkins, I dont think there are unattractive bots |
| 23:04.46 | jnbek | lol |
| 23:05.10 | rsimpkins | That would be bot design fail. |
| 23:05.18 | youtah | I get a gazillion friend requests from models via friends who do fashion photography |
| 23:05.26 | youtah | you should see the list of recommended friends |
| 23:05.39 | rsimpkins | bot design steps. #1) find cute picture of someone. #2) make friends. #3) crush their hopes and dreams. |
| 23:05.47 | youtah | It has kept my "who's real" "who's fake" and "who's a bot" skills finely tuned. |
| 23:06.15 | fozzmoo | Yeah. I've noticed a lot of those too. |
| 23:06.32 | fozzmoo | "That cleavage... gotta be a bot." |
| 23:06.52 | rsimpkins | youtah: Models, or women who just want free photography services - and the 'interesting' men that supply them an endless stream of pics. |
| 23:06.59 | fozzmoo | "Mutual friends? Oh, my brother fell for her? Denied!" |
| 23:07.08 | youtah | rsimpkins, ALL of the above |
| 23:07.50 | rsimpkins | I would love for someone to send me such a person my way. I would have them running away from the camera in a few minutes. |
| 23:09.26 | youtah | rsimpkins, I have had to defriend a couple of people (recently actually) due to their change in photography subjects |
| 23:09.42 | fozzmoo | Oh? |
| 23:10.14 | rsimpkins | youtah: Well, when you switch from pinups to landscapes - it does get kind of boring. I can see why you wouldn't want to be friends after that. |
| 23:10.30 | youtah | LOL |
| 23:10.39 | youtah | yeah, if I wanted to see that stuff, I'd google it or go to some of the subreddits |
| 23:10.45 | youtah | Not what I want to see on Facebook |
| 23:11.06 | rsimpkins | I grew up in Vegas. Little shocks me. |
| 23:11.36 | youtah | yeah, it's not that it's shocking, (in fact kind of mildly done) it's the fact that they were posting it on Facebook |
| 23:11.50 | rsimpkins | Most of the time I am annoyed at how derivative and boring some of this stuff is. |
| 23:11.53 | youtah | not the best avenue IMO for that kind of work |
| 23:12.06 | youtah | (if that makes sense) |
| 23:12.21 | rsimpkins | Oh joy, another picture of woman at salt flats. I'm SURE this will be better than the last one! :) |
| 23:12.28 | youtah | ROFL rsimpkins |
| 23:12.37 | youtah | cancels his shoot for Friday |
| 23:12.42 | fozzmoo | heh. |
| 23:12.52 | rsimpkins | Doing stuff that's new is really hard. |
| 23:13.11 | rsimpkins | Which is why I don't try. I'm happy to take pictures of things previously photographed. |
| 23:13.11 | youtah | especially on the salt flats |
| 23:13.22 | youtah | and red rocks |
| 23:13.26 | youtah | or any other rocks. |
| 23:13.28 | youtah | rock hard |
| 23:13.44 | youtah | will shut up now |
| 23:14.16 | rsimpkins | 1 hour at 500px and you've just seen every photograph ever taken. You can now die knowing your visual world is complete. |
| 23:14.34 | youtah | I thought that too |
| 23:15.04 | youtah | until I searched "Krampus" on 500px |
| 23:16.55 | fozzmoo | "Seen one, seem 'em both." |
| 23:17.15 | youtah | ROFL |
| 23:19.16 | youtah | You guys wanna hear a funny joke? |
| 23:19.24 | youtah | This is a REAL quote apparently |
| 23:19.37 | youtah | "I am the next Nelson Mandela" - Kanye West |
| 23:21.33 | keldwud | does Kanye West mean to say that he is a philanthropist and a president? |
| 23:22.01 | keldwud | and that he is a university graduate? |
| 23:22.10 | keldwud | and that he served 27+ years in prison? |
| 23:22.22 | manithree | or that he is about to die |
| 23:22.29 | keldwud | manithree++ |
| 23:22.36 | keldwud | zing! |
| 23:23.10 | keldwud | TIL Kanye West is a political activist |
| 23:23.19 | keldwud | and prison survivor |
| 23:23.41 | Migs | TIL Kanye West is African |
| 23:23.53 | keldwud | what? he is? |
| 23:23.57 | keldwud | googles |
| 23:23.58 | youtah | http://dailycurrant.com/2013/12/06/kanye-west-i-am-the-next-nelson-mandela/ |
| 23:24.01 | youtah | source fyi |
| 23:24.26 | keldwud | google tells me that he is from chicago |
| 23:24.31 | keldwud | chicago != Africa? |
| 23:24.45 | jnbek | Wiki says he was born in Atlanta |
| 23:24.52 | keldwud | yeah just found that |
| 23:25.06 | keldwud | I guess that's closer to africa than chicago :) |
| 23:25.14 | youtah | lol |
| 23:25.17 | keldwud | he can practically see africa from his house in atlanta ;) |
| 23:25.27 | keldwud | it's just across the water |
| 23:25.53 | Migs | oh, dailycurrant? lol |
| 23:25.57 | Migs | the onion is better |
| 23:25.59 | keldwud | ok, I take back my statement about philanthropy |
| 23:26.08 | youtah | LOL |
| 23:26.09 | keldwud | apparently kanye west does have a philanthropy arm |
| 23:26.15 | keldwud | Kanye West Foundation |
| 23:26.25 | youtah | uhg |
| 23:26.26 | keldwud | so he can have that point |
| 23:26.53 | youtah | I just cringe at anything Kanye |
| 23:27.30 | youtah | even satirical |
| 23:27.30 | keldwud | well, just because he makes me cringe, doesn't mean that I can't recognize that he actually does do philathropy |
| 23:27.52 | keldwud | apparently he's also going to end apartheid in america |
| 23:28.31 | keldwud | wait wat? |
| 23:28.32 | keldwud | lol |
| 23:28.46 | keldwud | nelson mandela's death will allow people to focus more attention on kanye west? |
| 23:28.49 | keldwud | omfg |
| 23:28.59 | keldwud | like that's what was holding him back this whole time |
| 23:29.09 | keldwud | stupid nelson mandela. holding back kanye west from greatness |
| 23:29.15 | keldwud | holy shit |
| 23:29.24 | keldwud | I don't know if I can finish reading this article |
| 23:29.39 | keldwud | ok, kanye has just got to be a very elaborate troll |
| 23:29.42 | youtah | Sorry for the delayed response Migs ... but the only thing that the Onion did that was better was the pool video |
| 23:29.43 | keldwud | this has to be deliberate |
| 23:30.10 | keldwud | I mean, can you become a millionare and be completely retarded? |
| 23:30.24 | keldwud | -er, be retarded and become a millionare |
| 23:31.01 | keldwud | "how many black rappers before me?" |
| 23:31.02 | youtah | The Onion just goes all out ridiculous some times |
| 23:31.09 | keldwud | ok, yeah, he has to be pulling everyone's legs |
| 23:31.13 | keldwud | he's doing this to troll people |
| 23:31.19 | keldwud | that's the only rational explanation |
| 23:31.27 | keldwud | it sells records |
| 23:32.07 | keldwud | oh wait |
| 23:32.14 | keldwud | is the daily currant satire? |
| 23:32.22 | keldwud | like the onion? |
| 23:32.37 | keldwud | oh god. I feel so dumb |
| 23:32.49 | youtah | :-) |
| 23:32.51 | keldwud | facepalms |
| 23:33.01 | youtah | It's okay... we've all been there |
| 23:33.03 | keldwud | NASA Finds Message From God on Mars did it for me |
| 23:33.24 | youtah | That's why I prefaced it with "You guys wanna hear a funny joke?" |
| 23:33.30 | youtah | as a forewarning |
| 23:33.35 | youtah | I should have worded it better |
| 23:33.37 | keldwud | lol, yeah, I still didn't catch on :) |
| 23:33.40 | keldwud | even when you mentioned the onion |
| 23:33.54 | keldwud | although, if you hadn't had mentioned the onion, I never would have caught on |
| 23:34.02 | keldwud | and I would have made quite the fool out of myself :) |
| 23:37.37 | youtah | it's okay |
| 23:39.51 | youtah | *sigh* so the Salt Lake Trib |
| 23:40.12 | youtah | they have just outfitted their entire camera crew with brand new (two each) Nikon D4s |
| 23:40.15 | youtah | even all of the canon guys |
| 23:40.21 | youtah | the D4 is my dream camera |
| 23:40.30 | youtah | coming in at just the body alone of $6000 |
| 23:46.40 | rsimpkins | youtah: I don't know what those guys are doing over there, but they need a new direction. |
| 23:48.53 | youtah | what, at SL Trib? |
| 23:49.24 | youtah | They're upping their game, so they can provide better micro thumbnails on the website |
| 23:49.51 | youtah | better than what KSL does, let's just use a stock "police tape" image across each crime related article |
| 23:50.20 | rsimpkins | youtah: It is all terrible. It is like they hired some web designers from the 90s, and no new blood has come in for years. |
| 23:50.55 | rsimpkins | youtah: It is hard to be too harsh on them, however, the industry in total is rather lackluster. |
| 23:51.02 | rsimpkins | It is hard to find many good examples. |
| 23:51.45 | youtah | Yeah, I am hoping this is the bottom of the curve and the industry at the whole will start taking it seriously again. Especially since the demand for quality photos and video is so high. |
| 23:51.58 | rsimpkins | Its no wonder mobile is gaining so much momentum with publishers. They had to hire new people with new ideas. Those ideas are magnitudes better than the web designs. That is attracting readers. |
| 23:52.19 | rsimpkins | The NatGeo app on the ipad is one heck of an experience. |
| 23:55.05 | rsimpkins | If I were in charge of sl-trib: day 1) fire web designers. day 2) hire 12-15 photographers & multimedia experts. day 3) outsource design services to competent design firm. day 4) get the reports to find good local stories. day 5) kill the national feeds in favor of very strong local content. day 6) go out of business because no readers want to pay for it. |
| 23:55.48 | rsimpkins | So I could effectivley kill any paper in about 6 days. Maybe 5, if I were in a hurry. |
| 23:56.33 | tomstokes | Sounds about right. |
| 23:57.42 | rsimpkins | If you work for a company that is "six days from destruction" you may want to re-think your life. |
| 23:58.13 | toocanX | @shalkie yeah man, that's what I'm thinking.. :\ |
