| 00:03.32 | Tene | Yep, that's a big one, especially for mobile devices |
| 00:04.02 | Tene | I'm very pleased with hangouts; having the same conversation state everywhere is exactly what I want from a messaging platform. |
| 00:04.38 | Tene | XMPP's priority system is nice for some uses, but not for my use cases. |
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| 00:05.33 | romanovic | I wonder if there's a headless xmpp client you can use to shift a lot of that off mobile devices |
| 00:06.52 | romanovic | allowing you to leave it running 24/7 at home or on a server, always maintaining the state for whatever devices you want to connect. sort of like quassel does for irc. |
| 00:13.03 | levi | Well, there's bitlbee. |
| 00:13.45 | jnbek | romanovic: so, something like a bouncer for xmpp... like say.. a ZNC like daemon? |
| 00:14.08 | levi | Honestly, I'd like XMPP to be replaced with a standard that didn't suck. |
| 00:15.28 | levi | It's sort of the epitome of the brain-dead approach to software engineering that I hate. |
| 00:17.07 | levi | "Let's take some buzzword technology and glue it together in a way that works, but without considering any of the deep repercussions of the design, and surround it with enough software engineering documentation to make it look like it's actually well-engineered." |
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| 00:19.17 | jnbek | this looks about as close as it gets to a 'bouncer' for xmpp http://spectrum.im/documentation/ |
| 00:21.01 | levi | And then there's the sad story of the BEEP protocol, which is a really nice idea that's sadly couched in a nasty XML format. |
| 00:23.05 | klys | you make bitlbee sound like it's not an option. |
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| 00:35.51 | levi | It's not a great option for mobile handsets. |
| 00:42.21 | klys | well to say a little bit about bitbee's design flaw, p2p instant messaging isn't really genuine to the client/server model. so, it's as much of an irc server as is needed to address instant messaging protocols. though, since instant mesaging services are ad-hoc, bitlbee is ad-hoc. it isn't really meant to run a public ip's services. so the things you could do with such a server are missing. for example, it is not a collaboration |
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| 16:47.18 | Migs | this is how I picture everyone in here https://i.chzbgr.com/maxW500/7948717056/hB06BC89A/ |
| 17:20.24 | manithree | Migs: I don't do bumper stickers, and that guy is seriously facial-hair-challenged |
| 17:21.48 | Migs | what??? |
| 17:21.52 | Migs | that shattered my perception |
| 17:22.08 | Migs | now I have to assume some of you actually look....NORMAL |
| 17:23.03 | Jayce^ | and then you have hjp_beta to throw the curve |
| 17:38.39 | jxqz | elliptic curves |
| 17:38.50 | jxqz | semistable, modular elliptic curves |
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| 17:52.50 | keldwud | hmm. I can't connect to freenode using whonix? |
| 17:53.04 | keldwud | or am I just being dumb? |
| 17:53.27 | keldwud | didn't realize tor and freenode were incompatible :( |
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| 18:04.42 | keldwud | this is kind of interesting: http://www.ircnet.com/wp-content/uploads/2012/11/irc.002.jpg |
| 18:04.46 | shalkie | Why would they be incompatible? |
| 18:05.53 | keldwud | shalkie: oh I just made an initial and weak judgement based on my two samples of trying to connect to freenode using xchat in whonix. both attempts were unsuccessful |
| 18:06.05 | keldwud | *judgment |
| 18:06.23 | keldwud | *judgement |
| 18:06.24 | keldwud | gah |
| 18:06.51 | keldwud | so I then, in a passive aggressive manner, made a blanket statement accusation that they weren't incompatible |
| 18:06.58 | keldwud | I'm quite sure I am incorrect |
| 18:09.01 | keldwud | failing at connecting to efnet, too |
| 18:09.07 | keldwud | so I'm just being retarded |
| 18:09.27 | keldwud | I'll figure out how to connect to IRC anonymously. it will just take some time for me |
| 18:09.36 | levi | Migs: That's a guy who knows how to own his geekiness. |
| 18:09.53 | levi | keldwud: Why do you want to connect anonymously? |
| 18:10.27 | keldwud | levi: not a discussion I'm inclined to really have. That's one of those eternal debates |
| 18:10.40 | keldwud | the "nothing to hide" vs "privacy" debate |
| 18:10.44 | Migs | I finally posted a new Christmas song early this morning: http://christmas.justinreeve.com/infant-holy-infant-lowly/ |
| 18:10.50 | Migs | Not quite how I intended it to sound, but it's decent enough |
| 18:11.03 | keldwud | we aren't going to make any progress on it if I justify why I want to do anything anonymously |
| 18:11.20 | keldwud | *attempt to justify |
| 18:12.02 | keldwud | so I'll just step aside for this one. I don't have the emotional maturity to handle such a discussion. |
| 18:12.30 | keldwud | oh wait. so it *is* judgement *AND* judgment |
| 18:12.35 | keldwud | no wonder I was confused |
| 18:18.14 | keldwud | "WHy do you want anonymity" |
| 18:18.16 | keldwud | https://www.whonix.org/wiki/Anonymity |
| 18:18.40 | keldwud | https://www.schneier.com/blog/archives/2010/02/anonymity_and_t_3.html |
| 18:19.36 | youtah | https://copy.com/fKn7d2cSXP4A << NASTYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYY |
| 18:19.49 | youtah | (safe for work, or perhaps not safe at all) |
| 18:21.03 | youtah | not safe for health |
| 18:21.05 | youtah | not safe for life |
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| 18:21.36 | youtah | not safe for enabling people to pursue happiness |
| 18:23.39 | levi | keldwud: I'm not opposed to anonymity in general, just curious about motivations. |
| 18:24.08 | keldwud | but sharing my motivations would defeat the purpose of being anonymous, no? :-p |
| 18:24.49 | levi | keldwud: Not at all, being anonymous should make one more free to discuss things. |
| 18:25.14 | keldwud | mostly because i believe in women's rights, I'm anti-religion, I'm pro-choice, I'm anti-capitalism, I'm pro drugs, etc |
| 18:25.25 | keldwud | I hold a lot of views that are dangerous to hold in american culture |
| 18:25.38 | keldwud | and I need somwhere I can express myself |
| 18:25.41 | keldwud | without fear of repurcussions |
| 18:25.46 | keldwud | that's why :( |
| 18:26.05 | levi | That answer works for me. |
| 18:26.21 | keldwud | people like me lose their freedoms and opportunities quite often |
| 18:26.39 | keldwud | sorry for the initial defensiveness |
| 18:26.52 | keldwud | I've been grumpy this week and I'd like to blame it on the percosets and root canal |
| 18:27.16 | goozbach | keldwud: that's more than reasonable reason for wanting anonomity |
| 18:27.27 | levi | Have you looked at the PSYC chat stuff at all? |
| 18:27.44 | goozbach | I do quite a bit of policiing of my online presense. |
| 18:29.17 | levi | Also, I think I sometimes make an unnecessary distinction in my head between pure anonymity and pseudonymity. |
| 18:35.23 | levi | https://gnunet.org/design-social-messaging-system |
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| 18:46.12 | keldwud | well, pseudonymity is the closest I'll ever get |
| 18:46.31 | keldwud | but I can get pretty darn close to anonymity if I do it right |
| 18:46.47 | levi | I think secure pseudonymity is potentially a lot more useful than pure anonymity. |
| 18:47.18 | keldwud | yeah, that's what I'm trying for |
| 18:47.27 | keldwud | have multiple identities |
| 18:47.33 | keldwud | each one serves a purpose |
| 18:47.42 | levi | Having a persistent identity in a given context is very useful. |
| 18:47.44 | keldwud | because pure anonymity would just be a red flag |
| 18:47.51 | goozbach | the biggest problem with true anonomity is it's antethema to proper identification/autentication |
| 18:48.00 | keldwud | yeah, this one I have here is way to persistent and is far from anonymous these days |
| 18:48.42 | levi | Pure anonymity is only useful for services that don't require authentication/authorization, of course. |
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| 19:02.56 | unum | demethesis(sp) and locke made great use of pseudonymity |
| 19:03.06 | unum | when's that supposed to be out on DVD anyways |
| 19:06.36 | levi | I assume you're talking about Ender's Game rather than the original philosophers? |
| 19:06.47 | unum | your assumption is correct |
| 19:06.54 | unum | sometimes those work out |
| 19:07.50 | levi | I dunno when the Ender's Game is coming out on DVD, but it doesn't have the Locke/Demosthenes subplot in it at all. |
| 19:09.38 | goozbach | levi: that movie wasn't that good in my opinion |
| 19:09.43 | goozbach | not a lot of character |
| 19:10.02 | goozbach | mostly flashy effects wallpapered over by a "plot" |
| 19:14.19 | keldwud | yeah I'm sad that they had to cut out that part of the story for the movie |
| 19:14.25 | keldwud | I actually enjoyed the movie, however |
| 19:14.32 | keldwud | it was quite close to the soure material |
| 19:14.45 | keldwud | I enjoyed the heck out of it :-p |
| 19:14.52 | keldwud | I'd watch it again in the theater at full price. |
| 19:14.58 | keldwud | that's how much I enjoyed it :) |
| 19:21.51 | keldwud | they managed to keep the story fluent and together despite the subplots they had to remove. |
| 19:22.14 | keldwud | although they weren't able to establish the love relationship between ender and his sister to as great a degree as I felt it was warranted |
| 19:22.30 | keldwud | because that was such an integral part to who ender was and why he did certain things |
| 19:22.44 | keldwud | they also had to gloss over his computer game a bit |
| 19:23.08 | keldwud | is it worth reading past speaker of the dead? |
| 19:23.23 | keldwud | I kind of had to push myself to finish that one and wasn't excited to read the others. |
| 19:29.51 | goozbach | keldwud: I really enjoyed the shadow seiries |
| 19:30.09 | keldwud | is that in the same universe? or different? |
| 19:30.16 | goozbach | same universe |
| 19:30.19 | goozbach | same story |
| 19:30.23 | goozbach | told from bean's perspective |
| 19:30.25 | keldwud | just further down the line? |
| 19:30.28 | keldwud | ahhh that's right |
| 19:30.29 | Jayce^ | I enjoyed the movie a lot, even though it was rushing through the content |
| 19:30.31 | goozbach | ender's shadow |
| 19:30.39 | keldwud | I remember wanting to read ender's shadow |
| 19:30.43 | goozbach | is battle school from bean's perspective |
| 19:31.01 | keldwud | Jayce^: I think they made good choices as far as where they rushed and what they sacrificed |
| 19:31.02 | goozbach | shadow of the hegemon talks about the war on earth |
| 19:31.10 | keldwud | considering that they had to to make it into a movie |
| 19:31.19 | goozbach | shadow of the giant is the setting up of the hegomony, |
| 19:31.31 | keldwud | goozbach: thanks for the feedback on that. I think I'll get back into ender's |
| 19:31.33 | goozbach | shadow childeren is way in the future |
| 19:31.43 | Jayce^ | still haven't read that one |
| 19:31.57 | goozbach | I enjoyed the movie, but I was wishing I'd have gone to thor2 instead |
| 19:32.28 | Jayce^ | see I did both |
| 19:32.41 | Jayce^ | but even better, I had my son at enders... that was the great part |
| 19:33.25 | Jayce^ | compared to when I took him to avatar(airbender) and he was yelling at the screen |
| 19:33.44 | goozbach | you actually saw that!? |
| 19:33.46 | goozbach | I'm sorry |
| 19:34.08 | Jayce^ | hey, my son *really* wanted to go when he heard about it... |
| 19:34.19 | goozbach | poor guy |
| 19:34.27 | Jayce^ | yeah, broken dreams |
| 19:34.42 | goozbach | he enjoying korra? |
| 19:34.48 | goozbach | My boy and I are watching that now |
| 19:34.55 | Jayce^ | yeah |
| 19:35.03 | Jayce^ | he hasn't seen any of S2 yet |
| 19:40.25 | levi | keldwud: I'd stop at Speaker for the Dead. |
| 19:40.42 | goozbach | I enjoyed the further books, but I'm a big fan of Card |
| 19:40.53 | levi | I recently read through Xenocide again, and now I recall why I never continued on from there. |
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| 19:48.10 | levi | It seemed to become more and more a vehicle to talk about very Orson Pratt-flavored cosmology and less about compelling story. |
| 19:48.48 | goozbach | what do you mean by orson pratt flavored cosmology? |
| 19:49.22 | levi | All the philotics stuff seems to be deeply related to Orson Pratt's view on 'intelligences'. |
| 19:53.31 | ldav15 | ~slashdot |
| 19:54.39 | ldav15 | I don't like slashdot's new style. |
| 19:55.34 | levi | Don't get me wrong, I think Orson Pratt and his ideas are really interesting, and where Card went with them is pretty interesting as well, but I just didn't think it made for that great of a *story*. |
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| 20:04.00 | goozbach | I would love to see the story after |
| 20:04.22 | goozbach | I see the speaker triliogy as a prequel for a new universe |
| 20:12.45 | keldwud | wait wat? AmigaOS? woohoo! |
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| 20:46.59 | keldwud | heh. |
| 20:47.10 | keldwud | I'm tempted to dare myself to watch Ernest Saves Christmas |
| 20:47.45 | jxqz | real 5m57.253s |
| 20:47.46 | jxqz | user 0m0.000s |
| 20:47.46 | jxqz | sys 0m0.000s |
| 20:47.48 | jxqz | check that out |
| 20:48.06 | jxqz | real numbers there |
| 20:50.00 | keldwud | "In October 2012 a film reboot was announced, tentatively titled Son of Ernest. As suggested by the title the film will focus on Ernest's long lost son, presumably Ernie P. Worrell as mentioned above" |
| 21:10.01 | levi | goozbach: Did you know that there's another book, 'Children of the Mind', that is properly the second half of Xenocide? |
| 21:10.30 | goozbach | <PROTECTED> |
| 21:10.34 | levi | I had thought for a long time that it was just a trilogy as well, but there are actually 4 books aside from the Shadow series. |
| 21:10.55 | goozbach | I think I've read every book card has written execpt the ladies of the bible series |
| 21:11.35 | levi | I must have got tired of him after the first 3 Ender books. I think I read the first Alvin Maker book, but didn't go any further with that series. |
| 21:12.26 | keldwud | nice. fallout, fallout 2, and fallout tactics are available for free on GOG right now. drm free. |
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| 21:15.13 | youtah | What's your vector victor? |
| 21:16.37 | youtah | http://i.imgur.com/cRgZZca.gif |
| 21:20.22 | Migs | wat |
| 21:20.37 | Jayce^ | keldwud: nice, except they are overloaded and I can't checkout :) |
| 21:20.49 | keldwud | just keep hitting refresh |
| 21:20.51 | keldwud | that got me through |
| 21:21.06 | keldwud | I already owned the first two, but I didn't have tactics. |
| 21:21.09 | keldwud | so I picked that up |
| 21:21.18 | keldwud | they also allow you to gift the whole thing to somebody else. |
| 21:25.45 | youtah | it's 35 degrees in Park City |
| 21:25.49 | youtah | I think I might need to move to Park City |
| 21:31.28 | ldav15 | The air's probably cleaner in Park City, too. |
| 21:32.15 | jsmith | youtah: The air is certainly cleaner in Virginia :-) |
| 21:34.48 | youtah | Oh yes |
| 21:34.53 | youtah | you guys see my picture from earlier? |
| 21:36.25 | goozbach | so looks like it is time to learn firewalld, bttrfs for rhel7 |
| 21:36.31 | goozbach | first two things I noticed |
| 21:38.12 | jsmith | goozbach: btrfs is optional, and firewalld is pretty easy |
| 21:38.14 | keldwud | we really liked btrfs here for our diskless servers |
| 21:38.24 | jsmith | goozbach: (if you understand the concept of firewall "zones") |
| 21:38.28 | keldwud | but it only would stay stable for maybe a day at a time |
| 21:38.44 | keldwud | it was super fast, though |
| 21:39.12 | goozbach | jsmith: I've been avoiding it till now |
| 21:39.16 | keldwud | but it would probably work better under more "normal" production environments |
| 21:39.18 | goozbach | I just need to sit down and understand it |
| 21:39.34 | goozbach | the new way of doing rhn registrations took some getting used to |
| 21:40.46 | youtah | Anyone else in here looking at going to the HAM Radio all day class for their tech license? |
| 21:40.56 | youtah | http://www.utahpreppers.com/2013/12/ham-radio-class-december-21-2013/ |
| 21:41.12 | jsmith | youtah: Already have my license, thanks -- started with tech, and then got my general |
| 21:41.24 | youtah | I don |
| 21:41.28 | youtah | I don't wanna go alone! |
| 21:41.31 | keldwud | I love GOG's christmas sales. |
| 21:41.40 | jsmith | youtah: But when you *do* get your license, Jayce^ and I will show you where to pick up a cheap HT :-) |
| 21:41.46 | keldwud | youtah: what day? I'll check it out |
| 21:42.03 | youtah | I already have a radio actually |
| 21:42.06 | keldwud | 21st |
| 21:42.11 | youtah | tiny 5W hand held, dual band |
| 21:42.12 | keldwud | what do I need to attend? |
| 21:42.36 | jsmith | youtah: A Baofeng? |
| 21:43.03 | youtah | keldwud, details here: http://www.utahpreppers.com/2013/12/ham-radio-class-december-21-2013/ |
| 21:43.03 | Jayce^ | keldwud: details in the post |
| 21:43.06 | keldwud | looks like I have the 21st free |
| 21:43.15 | keldwud | already reading it :) |
| 21:43.23 | Jayce^ | just remember, if you pass a test, you get a free chance at the next level |
| 21:43.32 | Jayce^ | so studying ahead is helpful |
| 21:43.33 | youtah | Oh really? |
| 21:43.38 | jsmith | youtah: Yes :-) |
| 21:43.50 | jsmith | youtah: And if you don't pass the test, you can re-pay the fee and try again immediately :-p |
| 21:43.57 | Jayce^ | yeah, I didn't know that, and took the general cold, missed by 1 question |
| 21:44.03 | keldwud | oh man :( I don't have a laptop with an optical drive |
| 21:44.07 | keldwud | what kind of requirement is that? |
| 21:44.13 | keldwud | optical drive? |
| 21:44.15 | keldwud | psshh |
| 21:44.17 | Jayce^ | keldwud: you don't *really* need it, that's just to run some of the study materials |
| 21:44.21 | youtah | I have a portable CD Drive |
| 21:44.41 | youtah | then bring a USB drive and I can copy it over |
| 21:44.43 | keldwud | I think I could commit to going |
| 21:44.50 | keldwud | I've always wanted to learn a bit about HAM |
| 21:44.53 | Jayce^ | you can do without it, or find alternatives |
| 21:44.54 | youtah | 7:30am though... Oh man....... |
| 21:45.01 | Jayce^ | most geeks can quickly get past that |
| 21:45.10 | keldwud | I have a five year old, I get up that early every day |
| 21:45.15 | keldwud | 730 doesn't phase me |
| 21:45.20 | Jayce^ | youtah: I went to the morning time, ate lunch and immediately took the test.. was done by 1:15 |
| 21:45.22 | youtah | breathes heavily into a paper bag at the thought of being somewhere by 7:30am |
| 21:45.31 | keldwud | I'll go if you're really going to go, youtah |
| 21:45.34 | Jayce^ | youtah: I thought you'd freak out more about going to the Y |
| 21:45.41 | youtah | keldwud, if you go, then I'll go |
| 21:45.45 | keldwud | haha |
| 21:45.51 | youtah | Jayce^, I'll just wear my UofU hoodie and hats |
| 21:46.02 | youtah | while chewing red gum |
| 21:46.06 | Jayce^ | and gloves, and stickers, and... |
| 21:46.07 | keldwud | if I take the test, do I want to get the license under my real identity or one of my pseudonym identities? |
| 21:46.17 | youtah | lol |
| 21:46.21 | Jayce^ | you have to do a real identity, FCC req |
| 21:46.23 | youtah | has to be your real identity |
| 21:46.27 | keldwud | ok |
| 21:47.22 | keldwud | where's the sign up link? |
| 21:47.25 | keldwud | I can't find it |
| 21:47.35 | youtah | I think we just email the guy |
| 21:47.37 | keldwud | ok |
| 21:47.40 | keldwud | I'll email him now |
| 21:47.47 | keldwud | nv7v@burgoyne.com |
| 21:47.49 | keldwud | right? |
| 21:47.52 | Jayce^ | yup |
| 21:47.59 | Jayce^ | "E-mail nv7v@burgoyne.com to let me know if you are coming " |
| 21:48.30 | sontek | Is that a captcha or an e-mail address? |
| 21:48.36 | Jayce^ | ooh, if youtah gets his license, I can fldigi him pics :-p |
| 21:49.20 | youtah | What did you call my sister? |
| 21:50.43 | youtah | Email sent. |
| 21:51.28 | keldwud | ok, I've sent my email too and marked it on my calendar |
| 21:51.35 | keldwud | I guess I'll wait for a reply to know for sure |
| 21:51.54 | keldwud | you gonna buy me lunch for keeping you company, youtah? ;) |
| 21:53.01 | Jayce^ | meh, just plan on going unless he specifically says no |
| 21:53.08 | Jayce^ | usually he has plenty of room |
| 21:53.11 | keldwud | ok cool |
| 21:53.22 | youtah | lol, no way keldwud! I'm poor! |
| 21:53.27 | keldwud | I'll just show up then and if he turns me away, I'll just figure out what to do at that time |
| 21:53.38 | keldwud | youtah: me too! :) that's why I was hoping to get a free lunch out of it :) |
| 21:53.43 | youtah | goes to do very lowly things for the $14 for the class |
| 21:54.07 | keldwud | I'll just bring a lunch then |
| 21:54.15 | youtah | Ditto |
| 21:54.17 | youtah | Lunchables |
| 21:54.21 | youtah | Totally |
| 21:54.25 | keldwud | I'll also come prepared to do some key signing if anyone wants to exchange keys |
| 21:54.36 | keldwud | dude. lunchables are EXPENSIVE yo |
| 21:54.45 | youtah | yeah, they are *sigh* |
| 21:55.03 | keldwud | when I pack my lunches, it's usually baked potatoes, boiled eggs, and pickles or something |
| 21:55.15 | keldwud | less than a buck per lunch |
| 21:56.06 | keldwud | that's cool that the instructor is going out of his way to make sure all the attendees have access to a laptop |
| 21:56.45 | keldwud | anybody else going? |
| 21:57.03 | keldwud | also, I can be recognized by my glasses and my almost epic beard |
| 21:57.12 | youtah | possibly fozzmoo |
| 21:57.26 | youtah | I am going to read my book in prep for it too |
| 21:57.36 | keldwud | what can I read in preparation? |
| 21:57.47 | youtah | http://www.amazon.com/Technician-Class-2010-2014-Gordon-West/dp/0945053622/ref=sr_1_2?ie=UTF8&qid=1386885459&sr=8-2&keywords=ham+radio+technician+study+guide |
| 21:58.29 | keldwud | darn. no kindle version. was hoping I could use the kindle loaning library to "borrow" it :) |
| 21:58.36 | youtah | https://play.google.com/store/apps/details?id=com.cstructor.arexam&hl=en |
| 21:58.59 | youtah | also check out that bad boy |
| 21:59.32 | Jayce^ | http://hamexam.org/ |
| 21:59.41 | Jayce^ | http://www.qrz.com/p/testing.pl |
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| 22:06.02 | keldwud | I checked with a couple co-workers to see if they want to go, too |
| 22:07.25 | fozzmoo | I should know by tonight if I can go. |
| 22:08.31 | Jayce^ | fozzmoo: DO IT |
| 22:08.42 | keldwud | I live just a few blocks from BYU campus so if anybody from Salt Lake wants to crash down here to avoid a crack-ass-of-dawn commute, I have spare beds available |
| 22:08.50 | fozzmoo | I want to, but my daughter might be doing a swim meet that day. |
| 22:09.03 | fozzmoo | Better than an ass-crack-of-dawn commute. |
| 22:09.16 | keldwud | lol |
| 22:09.50 | keldwud | but yeah, my place is available the night before if anybody needs it, just hit me up |
| 22:09.53 | youtah | lol |
| 22:10.03 | fozzmoo | Unless Dawn is really cute, of course. |
| 22:10.36 | keldwud | I use Dawn to wash my dishes |
| 22:10.41 | keldwud | :) |
| 22:10.52 | keldwud | http://howto.wired.com/wiki/Become_a_Ham_Radio_Operator |
| 22:10.55 | youtah | Poor Dawn, everyone's always up at her crack |
| 22:11.30 | fozzmoo | keldwud: cool. |
| 22:12.22 | keldwud | hah. I just realized there is probably a very distinct difference between ass-crack and crack-ass |
| 22:12.31 | keldwud | I tend to juxtapose my words sometimes :) |
| 22:12.56 | keldwud | I'm gonna check out my library. see if they have some books I cna use |
| 22:23.06 | youtah | I wonder what % I have to get right in order to pass. |
| 22:23.26 | youtah | 70% I think |
| 22:23.39 | youtah | I just looked at this online free test example and got heavily discouraged |
| 22:26.49 | Jayce^ | youtah: it's a bank of 300 questions, those are the real questions |
| 22:26.59 | Jayce^ | you are encouraged to just memorize enough to pass |
| 22:27.33 | Jayce^ | you just need to know enough to be legal, not know everything |
| 22:41.40 | youtah | right |
| 22:42.15 | youtah | 300+ questions in the pool, 35 on the exam (randomly selected, two? from each "area") and you need to get 70% correct. |
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| 22:56.29 | hjp_beta | https://ankiweb.net/shared/decks/ham%20radio |
| 22:59.04 | Jayce^ | hjp_beta: you finally going to get yours? |
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| 22:59.48 | hjp_beta | I should, but I'm focusing on my certifications through wgu, which is still just a bunch of anki decks. |
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| 23:09.09 | fozzmoo | I'm good for the HAM class. |
| 23:10.18 | Jayce^ | hjp_beta: its' one morning, with geeks... you know you want to |
| 23:10.28 | Jayce^ | take some kids :) |
| 23:11.23 | fozzmoo | I e-mailed the dude. |
| 23:11.30 | fozzmoo | I hope it's not filled up already. |
| 23:11.55 | fozzmoo | Jayce^: now you're going to have to start sending me radio links. |
| 23:12.29 | Jayce^ | yes I will |
| 23:12.50 | fozzmoo | I'm waiting! |
| 23:12.58 | Jayce^ | probably has room, expect to go unless you hear otherwise.. |
| 23:13.44 | Jayce^ | http://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B00C83AU9S/ref=as_li_ss_tl?ie=UTF8&camp=1789&creative=390957&creativeASIN=B00C83AU9S&linkCode=as2&tag=jayce-20 |
| 23:13.52 | Jayce^ | that's the one we've all been picking up recently.. |
| 23:13.57 | Jayce^ | crazy cheap for an HT |
| 23:15.15 | fozzmoo | Heh. I was JUST looking at that one. |
| 23:15.26 | Jayce^ | this is the newer model they just came out with, I don't have one yet.. |
| 23:15.28 | Jayce^ | http://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B00E4KLY34/ref=as_li_ss_tl?ie=UTF8&camp=1789&creative=390957&creativeASIN=B00E4KLY34&linkCode=as2&tag=jayce-20 |
| 23:16.08 | keldwud | so it's me, fozzmoo, and youtah? |
| 23:16.30 | keldwud | well, from this channel |
| 23:16.35 | keldwud | I'm sure there are others :) |
| 23:16.45 | fozzmoo | + Jayce's wife and son. |
| 23:18.14 | youtah | and probably two of my other photography friends |
| 23:18.29 | Jayce^ | youtah: does joel have his yet? |
| 23:18.34 | youtah | I dont think so |
| 23:18.39 | youtah | we should ping him |
| 23:18.49 | Jayce^ | yup |
| 23:19.31 | youtah | I'm just nervous that I'll get an email back saying I'm no in |
| 23:19.33 | youtah | not* |
| 23:19.57 | fozzmoo | Jayce^: Does that radio come with an antenna? |
| 23:19.59 | hjp_beta | wow ... that is cheap. I'm trying to memorize the answ ... err ... the information for MS Networking Fundamentals and MS Networking certifications ... with everything else going on I can't handle memorizing more. Plus trying to keep MS bs straight in my head is giving me migraines. |
| 23:20.22 | Jayce^ | fozzmoo: a basic one, you will want to get a better one.. |
| 23:20.36 | fozzmoo | You can just twist off the basic and replace it, right? |
| 23:20.36 | Jayce^ | and then a good one to mount on your car.. |
| 23:20.38 | youtah | yeah, just a "rubber duckie" I believe they're called? |
| 23:20.44 | Jayce^ | and a j-pole for the house |
| 23:20.47 | Jayce^ | yup |
| 23:20.57 | youtah | I want to set up a tower in my backyard ;-) |
| 23:21.35 | youtah | just kidding, it would be funny to see the HOA complain about it and then say "Nothing you can do biyaches!" |
| 23:21.55 | youtah | They can't interfere with an emergency communication device. |
| 23:22.08 | Jayce^ | I really wish baofeng would make a mobile higher wattage rig |
| 23:22.12 | Jayce^ | something I can cross-band |
| 23:22.15 | youtah | what was that one again? |
| 23:22.19 | youtah | 1W? |
| 23:22.21 | youtah | 5W? |
| 23:22.35 | Jayce^ | 5W is what you will do as a tech on an HT |
| 23:23.05 | youtah | I think I can turn mine down significantly |
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| 23:23.26 | Jayce^ | you normally do, run on low power listening, and just spike when you TX |
| 23:23.44 | youtah | Ah |
| 23:24.11 | youtah | i thought you could turn it down for transmitting as well |
| 23:27.12 | youtah | I just got an 80% on my first go |
| 23:27.17 | youtah | http://hamexam.org/exam/9-Technician |
| 23:27.22 | youtah | 28/35 correct |
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| 23:34.01 | Jayce^ | you can turn it down, that's just where a lot of people set it |
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