| 00:00.03 | youtah | sorry for the delayed responses, it's been a budy day |
| 00:00.05 | youtah | *busy |
| 00:00.10 | keldwud | heh |
| 00:00.49 | youtah | and I'm outta here |
| 00:00.59 | youtah | I'll chat with ya'll later |
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| 01:04.21 | Sargun | keldwud: My data is 1 blu-ray disk. Is that big? |
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| 02:18.48 | jima | youtah: i curse my inability to make snarky comments on your facebook posts. |
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| 04:28.07 | shalkie | I am just going to drop this here: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zWJG3hd2E3k |
| 04:30.08 | shalkie | notes that it was applicable to *nix SA and lovers of disco'ish music. |
| 04:30.24 | shalkie | Oh and people that went to Murray High. |
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| 07:38.33 | shalkie | So there is a meeting going in SLC to negotiate new international IP agreements. Thought I would share for the non-eff folks: https://www.eff.org/deeplinks/2013/11/secret-tpp-negotiations-resume-salt-lake-city |
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| 15:57.55 | klys | ~slashdot |
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| 16:15.54 | fadein | so, where exactly in SLC are the TPP negotiations happening? |
| 16:16.19 | fadein | seems like something that would be more likely to take place at some exclusive Park City resort |
| 16:16.37 | fadein | they have those in Park City, right? |
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| 16:36.00 | hjp_beta | irccloud is looking interesting |
| 16:36.30 | hjp_beta | I wish there was a way to test the android client without having to upgrae to a paid account, though $5/month isn't bad at all. |
| 16:36.48 | hjp_beta | s/upgrae/upgrade/ |
| 16:37.09 | hjp_beta | wonders how actions work |
| 16:37.30 | levi | What's irccloud? |
| 16:38.58 | hjp_beta | it's an irc client |
| 16:39.00 | hjp_beta | in the cloud |
| 16:39.01 | hjp_beta | :] |
| 16:39.16 | hjp_beta | it's a javascript front end |
| 16:39.22 | hjp_beta | and an erlang backend. |
| 16:39.28 | levi | Hmm. |
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| 16:40.09 | hjp_beta | Basically, if I close this window I should still be connected, and when I get to work I should be able to login and be right back where I was. |
| 16:40.40 | levi | Yeah, I guess that would be handy, but not something I'd pay $5/month for. |
| 16:40.43 | hjp_beta | a web version of irssi in screen |
| 16:41.02 | levi | There are things called 'irc bouncers' that already do something like that. |
| 16:41.44 | hjp_beta | yeah, but I'm looking for something I don't have to maintain for family members |
| 16:42.44 | levi | You're going to try to talk family members into paying $5/mo for a chat service? |
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| 16:43.45 | hjp_beta | They're using my irssi and bitlbee setup. I'm tired of maintaining it. They want it, they can pay for it. |
| 16:44.23 | hjp_beta | I was wrong. I can test the android app. This is from the app. |
| 16:44.30 | levi | Nifty. |
| 16:44.33 | hjp_beta | This is from the web interface |
| 16:45.44 | hjp_beta | tbh, if they had macro or scripting support I'd be considering this myself |
| 16:46.48 | levi | I just use tmux and a regular client. |
| 16:47.22 | hjp_beta | Yeah. I use irssi in screen. |
| 16:49.25 | levi | I'm working (slowly) on a chat server that will natively support IRC, XMPP, and a web frontend. Might not ever finish it, but it's an interesting project. |
| 16:53.28 | rsimpkins | Hey all. PLUG is down. Does anyone have Steve Myers's phone number? |
| 16:57.02 | romanovic | SLLUG has been down a lot over the last year as well. The LUGs are not getting any love. |
| 16:59.29 | rsimpkins | PLUG is hosted by bluehost. |
| 16:59.36 | rsimpkins | I don't imagine it should go down very often. |
| 17:00.43 | rsimpkins | I have an e-mail for Steve. Hopefully he respponds. :) |
| 17:05.26 | Jayce^ | not his fault |
| 17:05.32 | Jayce^ | there was a fire a few minutes ago :) |
| 17:05.46 | Jayce^ | on specific row is coming back right now |
| 17:06.13 | tristanbob_l | does anyone know these American Fork guys? http://lonoapp.com/ (smart sprinkler controller) |
| 17:06.24 | Jayce^ | don't know them, but I kicked it |
| 17:07.44 | tristanbob_l | I am thinking about it, but I am still waiting for my last kickstarted (3-months delayed, Almond+ router) |
| 17:10.29 | tristanbob_l | I guess I was hoping for some reassurance that they will deliver (or should I consider kickstarter a donation with a possible gift?) |
| 17:10.33 | Jayce^ | yeah, cant' wait for that one |
| 17:11.23 | Jayce^ | have an AC laptop, and want to use that :) |
| 17:12.11 | tristanbob_l | If I get a loon, I will need to buy an enclosure of some sort (my sprinkler controller is outdoors) |
| 17:12.17 | tristanbob_l | s/loon/lono/ |
| 17:29.36 | levi | I'm kinda surprised no one's marketed a smart sprinkler controller like that before. |
| 17:40.23 | youtah | http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_embedded&v=Q5L4MT8LdOQ |
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| 17:42.27 | romanovic | is wondering if youtah just appreciates the precision, or if something cringe-worthy happens in the video |
| 17:43.24 | youtah | The sheer strength and balance |
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| 17:45.26 | romanovic | haha. I read the title at first as "Acrobatic Gymnastic Words" and wondered if maybe it were a spelling bee where they compete while performing gymnastics. |
| 17:46.37 | youtah | So the movie Homefront looks pretty good. |
| 17:46.49 | romanovic | levi: if iphones had been around 15 years ago i think we would have seen it. patent thickets have since made market entry very difficult, i would think |
| 17:47.07 | romanovic | just search google patents for 'sprinkler systems' or 'automated sprinkler systems' |
| 17:52.01 | romanovic | a system to turn your sprinklers on and off would be obvious, of course (we can walk up and turn on the faucet manually). Now an *automated* system to turn your sprinklers on and off, the concept is so non-obvious and innovative that the inventors clearly deserved a monopoly on the idea |
| 17:53.57 | romanovic | wonders if lono entered the market by patenting "A system and method to automate control of a sprinkler system... 'on the internet'" |
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| 17:56.27 | levi | Maybe they just didn't do a patent search and are going to get sued into oblivion as soon as the relevant patent-holders discover them. |
| 17:59.42 | romanovic | haha, maybe. they'll likely wait to see some success, and sue them once they are profitable and their pockets start to deepen |
| 18:07.06 | youtah | Will someone send me a new password to use for my bitcoin wallets? |
| 18:07.11 | youtah | I'm too lazy to come up with one |
| 18:07.17 | youtah | Go ahead and just post it on IRC |
| 18:07.19 | youtah | ;-) |
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| 18:13.34 | tristanbob_h | actually, I was also thinking about these other smart controllers (this one is denver based) https://www.rach.io |
| 18:14.02 | tristanbob_h | http://www.rainmachine.com/ gets bonus credit for actually having a shipping product |
| 18:15.04 | tristanbob_h | but I really like supporting Utah companies, so I will likely choose Lono (and it is the cheapest @ $160, vs $200 and $260) |
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| 18:20.54 | manithree | If I had known those existed my wife wouldn't have thought our OpenSprinklerPi was so expensive |
| 18:34.50 | jxqz | anything's better than those crap old school deals |
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| 18:45.21 | youtah | I need a good wireless video camera |
| 18:45.39 | youtah | for home surveillance |
| 18:45.57 | youtah | with IR/night capabilities of course |
| 18:46.16 | youtah | I've been looking at the Foscams |
| 18:46.32 | ^Migs^ | I've been looking around for some, too |
| 18:46.46 | youtah | not sure about their quality. Some of their images seem fantastic, others seem horrible |
| 18:46.54 | ^Migs^ | my wife's been getting more and more worried about it |
| 18:47.20 | youtah | I can't get my wife to worry about it |
| 18:47.36 | youtah | she's of the "leave the door unlocked and garage open" mindset |
| 18:47.45 | ^Migs^ | oh, we're both like that |
| 18:47.46 | youtah | I am trying to change that mindset |
| 18:48.00 | ^Migs^ | but she's worried some of her crazy family members could break into our home in the middle of the night and steal our stuff |
| 18:48.00 | tristanbob_h | and don't forget ubiquiti aircams http://www.ubnt.com/airvision (although I think you will need seperate lighting) |
| 18:48.37 | youtah | tristanbob_h, look like the pictures show IR lights surrounding the lens |
| 18:48.40 | ^Migs^ | so more cameras, more locks on the doors and windows, etc. |
| 18:48.50 | ^Migs^ | everything gets alarms... |
| 18:48.54 | ^Migs^ | that's the goal right now |
| 18:49.01 | tristanbob_h | I would recommend just using a motion detection floodlight with a camera. and a barking dog. |
| 18:49.18 | tristanbob_h | ^Migs^, which alarm system? |
| 18:49.19 | youtah | I know that jlp_znc has a great setup and it even emails him when it detects motion. |
| 18:49.21 | ^Migs^ | floodlight, yes. Barking dog, no. I'm not taking care of another dumb animal. |
| 18:49.24 | ^Migs^ | tristanbob_h: Haven't decided yet. |
| 18:49.33 | ^Migs^ | We have those little portable ones everywhere right now, though. |
| 18:49.41 | shalkie | youtah: Your new password is "IcanHazBitCoin$? |
| 18:49.48 | jlp_znc | simple foscam setup... the motion stuff is built into the camera. |
| 18:49.55 | shalkie | Just since it looks like no one helped ya out there. :-P |
| 18:49.59 | youtah | So in the case of the burglers they showed on KSL news, even if they unplugged it, the photo has already been emailed |
| 18:50.07 | youtah | Perfect shalkie! |
| 18:50.18 | tristanbob_h | shalkie, "allurcoinzRbelong2us" |
| 18:51.10 | shalkie | There was suppose to be a close qoute after the ?... |
| 18:51.14 | shalkie | tristanbob_h: Nice. |
| 18:51.28 | ^Migs^ | nice! |
| 18:53.21 | tristanbob_h | Internet of Things IoT is today. Nest thermostat AND smoke-detectors, sprinkler controller, door locks, ligh-bulbs, etc. Now I just want a "smart BBQ" that cooks the perfect steak and burger. |
| 18:54.05 | hjp_beta | I'm waiting/looking for the internet to become self-aware. |
| 18:56.31 | tristanbob_h | http://www.qboxsmoker.com/ |
| 18:58.10 | youtah | jlp_znc, do you know of any that do Power over Ethernet? |
| 18:58.14 | youtah | that would be ideal |
| 18:58.24 | jlp_znc | foscam has some that do |
| 18:58.33 | manithree | tristanbob_h: Do. Need. |
| 18:59.01 | youtah | http://foscam.us/foscam-fi8905e-outdoor-poe-ip-camera.html |
| 18:59.16 | jlp_znc | yeap, that's the one I was just looking at |
| 18:59.37 | ^Migs^ | I think I'd need a wireless one |
| 19:00.04 | ^Migs^ | or wifi, rather |
| 19:00.24 | jlp_znc | ^Migs^: they have a lot of wireless models, but obviously no PoE in that case. |
| 19:00.47 | jlp_znc | http://foscam.us/products.html/ <- for an overview |
| 19:00.55 | youtah | ^Migs^, http://www.amazon.com/Foscam-FI8910W-Network-Camera-Two-Way/dp/B006ZP8UOW/ |
| 19:01.32 | jlp_znc | if you're going to buy one, do a little searching around. you might get a deal. I got mine from focalprice (I think) for about $30 each if I remember right. |
| 19:02.07 | youtah | So. Many. Cameras. |
| 19:02.11 | harleypig | wait ... power over ethernet is a thing, but ethernet over power doesn't work?! |
| 19:02.48 | ^Migs^ | go fig |
| 19:02.57 | ^Migs^ | we can put a man on the moon... |
| 19:03.19 | harleypig | depends on who you listen to |
| 19:03.36 | ^Migs^ | youtah: I was looking at that one the other day. |
| 19:03.47 | jlp_znc | http://foscam.us/products/foscam-fi8910w-white-wireless-ip-camera.html <- these are what I have |
| 19:04.07 | ^Migs^ | meh, this is stupid |
| 19:04.13 | ^Migs^ | What I really need is a new shotgun |
| 19:04.16 | ^Migs^ | Problem solved. |
| 19:04.21 | youtah | Baseball bats |
| 19:04.26 | youtah | Claymores |
| 19:04.44 | youtah | Woodchipper |
| 19:05.03 | youtah | Catapult built into your front porch |
| 19:05.19 | hjp_beta | trap doors |
| 19:06.07 | jlp_znc | scooby doo movies are a great reference for doing this right |
| 19:06.35 | jlp_znc | you do need a four-story deep basement, though |
| 19:07.40 | youtah | I was thinking about when Number 2 gets ejected into the pit |
| 19:07.54 | youtah | "I'm badly burned" |
| 19:08.00 | youtah | "It really hurts" |
| 19:08.12 | jlp_znc | :-) |
| 19:08.29 | jlp_znc | Dr. Evil's expression was pretty priceless, I must admit. |
| 19:08.57 | ^Migs^ | oo |
| 19:09.51 | youtah | "You shot me!" |
| 19:09.54 | ^Migs^ | just yesterday...my wife was talking about building a secret room in the house |
| 19:09.57 | youtah | "You shot me in the arm!" |
| 19:10.04 | ^Migs^ | I was like "HELLSYEAH" |
| 19:10.07 | ^Migs^ | I've wanted one of those since I was 7 |
| 19:10.21 | youtah | "Seriously, who throws a shoe? That really hurt." |
| 19:10.45 | harleypig | ^Migs^: A panic room? |
| 19:10.56 | youtah | Sounds like a fun project |
| 19:11.02 | jlp_znc | perhaps you could incorporate something like this: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LQbHnLSasfQ |
| 19:11.04 | youtah | I have a panic room |
| 19:11.10 | youtah | it's called the Master Bathroom |
| 19:13.49 | ^Migs^ | not quite. She originally wanted to do something like this: http://o.aolcdn.com/hss/storage/fss/f47988f18f1c46442c47d05ab81a4957 |
| 19:14.13 | ^Migs^ | but looking at our staircase, we don't really have the space for it. But there's a closet in which we could put a little door that goes under the staircase |
| 19:14.21 | ^Migs^ | It'd be like going into Narnia! |
| 19:14.43 | harleypig | ^Migs^: file not found" |
| 19:15.30 | ^Migs^ | try this: http://img2u.info/ckgni/i/g44aa6b11.jpg |
| 19:15.56 | harleypig | that doesn't look that secret |
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| 19:16.09 | ^Migs^ | I know |
| 19:16.22 | ^Migs^ | But we can't do that...here's ours http://o.aolcdn.com/hss/storage/fss/9e22997abc62fc1e28eb1f7a1d5d0c47 |
| 19:16.41 | ^Migs^ | my youngest daughter is too big anyway. But there's a closet to the left of that picture that goes under the staircase. We just build on that. |
| 19:16.45 | ^Migs^ | Instant Secret Room! |
| 19:21.46 | jlp_znc | http://www.tenzo.org/secretroom.htm |
| 19:29.35 | harleypig | I'm not sure I could believe, or trust, someone who claimed to have a secret room ... |
| 19:33.32 | manithree | harleypig: cuz if they claimed that it wouldn't be a secret room, so they're a liar |
| 19:33.53 | hjp_beta | or untrustworthy |
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| 19:52.38 | youtah | I think I might have eaten too much bacon potato soup |
| 19:52.50 | youtah | it's altering my ability to think |
| 19:54.57 | jlp_znc | http://www.city-data.com/forum/house/1010435-keep-finding-hidden-rooms-passages.html <- interesting thread on that tenzo.org house and "secret" room |
| 19:56.00 | youtah | http://i.imgur.com/Yarod7H.gif |
| 19:56.07 | youtah | Language warning |
| 19:58.50 | youtah | What did harleypig do this time? http://imgur.com/gallery/kwB90lC |
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| 20:47.03 | youtah | jlp_znc, http://www.amazon.com/Foscam-FI8910E-Ethernet-Network-Camera/dp/B00ATGQ1LM |
| 20:49.44 | jlp_znc | looks very similar to my cameras, but mine have wifi and no PoE. for your application, it should work quite well. if you need to mount it outside and you don't have a place that is protected from the weather (mine is mounted up under the porch roof), foscam does sell a dome enclosure as well. |
| 20:50.07 | fozzmoo | Wow! That's a great deal! |
| 20:50.22 | fozzmoo | I have a 24-port PoE switch collecting dust in my basement. |
| 20:51.07 | HumanCell | I just bought 5 of the FI8918W cameras ... |
| 20:51.13 | HumanCell | ... they work pretty good! |
| 20:51.15 | jlp_znc | they also do audio, so you can talk to whomever is near the camera and hear what they say. I haven't tried to get that working yet, but it's supposed to work. |
| 20:51.34 | fozzmoo | "Hey! You! Stop picking your nose!" |
| 20:51.50 | jlp_znc | foscam is also pretty good on getting out firmware updates... there have been two or three in the time I've had my cameras. |
| 20:52.02 | HumanCell | http://www.amazon.com/Foscam-FI8918W-Wireless-Network-Viewing/dp/B0046710G6/ref=sr_1_1/178-2270619-1909415?s=electronics&ie=UTF8&qid=1384980712&sr=1-1&keywords=8918w |
| 20:52.28 | HumanCell | I've also started to play with their Blue Iris software ... not a bad app. I was surprised. |
| 20:52.40 | HumanCell | http://www.amazon.com/Foscam-Blue-Professional-Surveillance-Software/dp/B008YD80KC/ref=pd_sim_e_4/178-2270619-1909415 |
| 20:52.51 | jlp_znc | the pan/tilt capability is fun to play with, too |
| 20:53.25 | HumanCell | I'm pretty impressed ... have you used the "presets" for pan/tilt yet? |
| 20:53.33 | jlp_znc | someone is standing on your porch... they press the doorbell, and then the camera moves around to look at what they're carrying. if they're from centurylink, you can just tell them to go away. |
| 20:54.05 | jlp_znc | I've played with the presets a little, but I mainly leave it aimed at my front door area. |
| 20:54.24 | HumanCell | I have one from the batch that is bad. Just returned it to them as an RMA. |
| 20:54.53 | HumanCell | It would just "reset" about every day, begin to move around, point at the ceiling, and then refuse to communicate. |
| 20:56.33 | jlp_znc | https://dl.dropboxusercontent.com/u/6647867/000C5DDD0BEC()_m20130915165716.jpg <- sample photo |
| 21:18.46 | HumanCell | http://www.opentopia.com/webcam/15293 <- sample pix ... |
| 21:18.56 | HumanCell | Oh wait ... that's not MY webcam! |
| 21:38.29 | ^Migs^ | does anyone transcribe music? |
| 21:38.42 | ^Migs^ | Put up an ad for some of my music http://saltlakecity.craigslist.org/crg/4202847364.html |
| 21:45.49 | jlp_znc | so you need someone with a good ear? don't look this way, then. |
| 21:47.08 | jlp_znc | I know some people who might be able to help you. will pass it on to them. |
| 21:51.56 | jlp_znc | I e-mailed them your craigslist link. Will see if they respond. :-) |
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| 21:58.23 | HumanCell | ^Migs^: how much are you looking to pay for the service? |
| 21:59.38 | HumanCell | I've got a friend up here - extremely accomplished pianist - I'll see tomorrow ... I'm taking piano lessons from him and learning to use FL Studio. Might be something he would do ... he's always looking at various gigs. |
| 22:03.45 | HumanCell | I just sent him your link: http://www.richardsouther.com/ |
| 22:04.58 | ^Migs^ | Whatever you want to quote me |
| 22:05.02 | ^Migs^ | thanks! |
| 22:05.10 | ^Migs^ | I've gotten four responses already. |
| 22:05.25 | ^Migs^ | one guy wants to charge me $300 per song. That seems like way too much. |
| 22:06.13 | HumanCell | Wow ... more than I would have thought. |
| 22:06.37 | ^Migs^ | but another guy said $200 for all 3 songs... |
| 22:06.51 | ^Migs^ | DIS GUY http://www.howardfredrics.com/ |
| 22:07.03 | ^Migs^ | I feel like hiring him just because of that awesome mullet |
| 22:07.06 | HumanCell | But is a Grammy nominated artist? ha ha |
| 22:07.59 | ^Migs^ | I'm giving these away for free once they're done. I don't need them to be all fancy. |
| 22:08.19 | HumanCell | Wow ... he's "bizarre and gorgeous" and "slashingly discordant" |
| 22:08.23 | ^Migs^ | hahaha I know |
| 22:08.32 | ^Migs^ | also, his site has MIDI files playing! Awesome. |
| 22:08.38 | HumanCell | He might put a real intersting twist into your songs! |
| 22:08.40 | ^Migs^ | a girl who plays for the Ogden ballet quoted me $285 for all of them total |
| 22:08.53 | ^Migs^ | wouldn't mind someone local |
| 22:09.13 | ^Migs^ | then the 4th guy just asked me, "So....uh....do you want the actual notes, or just the chords?" |
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| 22:09.56 | HumanCell | ha ha |
| 22:10.06 | HumanCell | Well ... could you hum it onto a cassette? |
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| 22:46.30 | youtah | harleypig, http://sourcefed.com/wrecking-ball-g-major-will-make-poop-pants/ |
| 22:53.01 | ^Migs^ | hahahahahaha |
| 22:53.15 | fozzmoo | goes la-la-la-la |
| 22:53.53 | youtah | She started singing, and I thought it was Satan |
| 22:54.08 | youtah | Oh wait, that happened with the original |
| 22:54.16 | Jayce^ | and then you listened to this mixed version? |
| 22:54.25 | youtah | exactly |
| 22:55.00 | Jayce^ | http://is.gd/0lrZsL |
| 22:55.12 | youtah | Yes |
| 23:03.22 | hjp_beta | youtah: that was *awesome* |
| 23:03.35 | hjp_beta | goes and looks for other videos with the same treatment |
| 23:05.12 | hjp_beta | from the comments in youtah's links: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pOpnEQXLe9w |
| 23:05.38 | hjp_beta | not that good, but it's a start |
| 23:06.32 | hjp_beta | woah ... there's a fair amount https://www.youtube.com/results?search_query=g-major&sm=3 |
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