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| 03:14.21 | levi | Model Railroad Clubs are so much better than Gun Clubs. Especially if they are at MIT. Does no one remember hacker history? |
| 03:22.19 | harleypig_ | ... A model train with a jointed railgun ... |
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| 12:37.52 | klys | :) what else is new |
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| 15:31.30 | jlp_znc | harleypig_: watching that devops reaction shot... I must have watched the loop at least 20 times before I saw the dude standing in front of the raft as it inflated. probably another 70-80 times before I realized he was hitting the rack on the far right. awesome. |
| 15:32.07 | jlp_znc | I also like the reaction of the old dude who was just looking at beach chairs... "hey, what happened ... um... I'm outta here." |
| 15:32.39 | jlp_znc | I just can't stop watching it! |
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| 15:58.55 | jlp_znc | does anyone know an occupational therapist (OT) or occupational therapist assistant (OTA) who would be open to being shadowed by an OT student for a few days? |
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| 17:22.44 | youtah | jlp_znc, here is the youtube video of Penn and Teller's take on Vaccinations I was tell you about http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RfdZTZQvuCo |
| 17:22.50 | youtah | Warning, lots of language. |
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| 17:23.06 | youtah | (for those of you unfamiliar with Penn and Teller) |
| 17:44.29 | youtah | Kind of frightening... http://memolition.com/2013/10/16/time-lapse-map-of-every-nuclear-explosion-ever-on-earth/ |
| 17:44.39 | youtah | It goes kind of slow, but don't worry, it picks up |
| 17:45.00 | manithree | youtah: Love P&T, but I still have a hard time reconciling the statistic with personal experience |
| 17:45.45 | youtah | yes, I understand that stats vs personal experience feeling. |
| 17:45.52 | youtah | not regarding immunizations, but other areas |
| 17:46.24 | youtah | My statistics so far are: every year that I have not gotten a flu shot, I have gotten influenza. |
| 17:46.44 | manithree | I've been in a room full of kids with epilepsy/autism (including my 2) and EVERY one of them had their first seizure immediately following an immunization |
| 17:47.31 | manithree | That doesn't mean causation, but I have a hard time believing there's some correlation that hasn't been found yet |
| 17:48.26 | manithree | er, I think there is a correlation that hasn't been found yet |
| 17:48.32 | youtah | maybe |
| 17:49.00 | jlp_znc | every year I *have* gotten a flu shot, I *have* gotten the flu. |
| 17:49.55 | jlp_znc | http://www.smbc-comics.com/index.php?db=comics&id=1210#comic |
| 17:50.54 | jlp_znc | http://www.smbc-comics.com/index.php?db=comics&id=2168#comic |
| 17:52.02 | manithree | checks to make sure he didn't mis-spell causality |
| 17:52.15 | youtah | I mean, keep in mind that "not getting the flu" is also supposed to be a side effect of a flu shot |
| 17:52.17 | youtah | right? |
| 17:53.10 | youtah | You're injecting crap into your body. There will be reactions (both good and bad) but to what degree do the good outweigh the bad |
| 17:55.25 | youtah | I'm going into the doctor to get a flu shot, since I missed the one held here at work (because I was super sick) |
| 17:55.28 | youtah | *sigh* |
| 17:55.44 | manithree | cdc.gov: " ... flu vaccine reduces a person’s risk of developing flu illness that results in a visit to the doctor’s office or urgent care provider by 60%." |
| 17:56.17 | youtah | wow, higher than I thought |
| 17:56.24 | manithree | Oh wait, that's just an example. |
| 17:56.29 | youtah | oh |
| 17:56.44 | youtah | http://www.cdc.gov/flu/about/qa/flushot.htm I just pulled this up |
| 17:56.52 | youtah | the same one you looking at manithree? |
| 17:57.48 | manithree | yep, 60% is the real number. But that's not your decreased risk of getting influenza, just the decrease in risk that you'll end up at the doctor's office or urgent care for influenza |
| 17:58.11 | manithree | Actually, no: http://www.cdc.gov/flu/about/qa/vaccineeffect.htm |
| 17:58.13 | youtah | pretty good considering that out of the hundreds (if not thousands) of strains, they're only picking three |
| 17:58.25 | youtah | and those three are covering 60% |
| 17:59.02 | youtah | jlp_znc, read the "What about people who get a seasonal flu vaccine and still get sick with flu-like symptoms?" section |
| 17:59.44 | jlp_znc | lies! |
| 17:59.53 | youtah | lol |
| 18:00.07 | youtah | "Does the flu vaccine work the same for everyone? |
| 18:00.08 | youtah | No." |
| 18:00.56 | jlp_znc | that's what I love about biology... it's so consistent. oh, no, wait, that's math, not biology. |
| 18:01.12 | youtah | I dunno.... |
| 18:01.24 | youtah | biology is pretty, consistently gross... |
| 18:04.00 | youtah | http://i.imgur.com/B06clk7.jpg |
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| 18:41.13 | keldwud | man |
| 18:41.29 | keldwud | how come nobody told me katy perry was coming back in october when I announced to the channel that I loved Katy Perry? |
| 18:41.38 | keldwud | now I have to probably wait 2 years to see her love :( |
| 18:41.47 | keldwud | she was here last month on the 26th |
| 18:42.22 | keldwud | -er |
| 18:42.23 | keldwud | live |
| 18:42.25 | keldwud | lol |
| 18:42.29 | keldwud | freudian slip |
| 18:42.45 | programmerq | switches tabs away from #utah |
| 18:58.22 | youtah | http://imgur.com/gallery/dT57rIR |
| 18:59.31 | youtah | Looks like Digitally Imported Radio was hacked |
| 18:59.40 | youtah | I just got an email from them stating I needed to change my password |
| 18:59.49 | youtah | and that they got the last four digits of my credit card |
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| 19:06.30 | smcquay | keldwud: not sure if being sarcastic |
| 19:07.04 | keldwud | smcquay: srs. I started getting into her music about two weeks into october |
| 19:07.14 | keldwud | and just went full gung ho on it |
| 19:07.25 | keldwud | got her new album and all of them, actually |
| 19:07.32 | keldwud | watcched the movie |
| 19:07.58 | keldwud | and then just realized this week when I went to see if she was touring that I missed her SLC tour date :( |
| 19:08.06 | keldwud | really want to take my daughter |
| 19:08.12 | keldwud | she likes her too |
| 19:08.40 | keldwud | also, I hear it's hip to socially ostracize people for liking popular and mainstream things ;) |
| 19:08.50 | keldwud | programmerq, you're such a cool hipster :) |
| 19:19.49 | smcquay | yeah, I also appreciate some of her songs. |
| 19:24.16 | fungus | She's not bad, but certainly no Cher, Madonna, or Gaga. |
| 19:24.56 | joshh | ive caught myself humming along to a couple of her songs on teh radio, and briefly felt un-manly |
| 19:25.55 | joshh | they are catchy though |
| 19:25.56 | joshh | fungus: you would really place gaga with those 2? |
| 19:25.56 | joshh | i'd say perry > gaga |
| 19:25.56 | joshh | its not like that's my genre though |
| 19:27.01 | keldwud | what do you mean she's no madonna? |
| 19:27.02 | fungus | She has the chops to one day ascend to that status, but it's not guaranteed. |
| 19:27.04 | keldwud | :) |
| 19:27.19 | keldwud | kary perry has attained michael jackson status as far as sales and number of hits |
| 19:27.24 | keldwud | and length of popularity for songs |
| 19:27.29 | keldwud | first woman to do so |
| 19:27.37 | keldwud | she's accomplished what even madonna didn't do |
| 19:27.39 | keldwud | :-p |
| 19:27.50 | youtah | yeah but Madonna was hotter |
| 19:27.57 | keldwud | *was? |
| 19:28.06 | keldwud | she's still hot for a 60 year old woman :) |
| 19:28.16 | youtah | and old Madonna is hotter than old Katy Perry |
| 19:28.23 | youtah | ;-) |
| 19:28.27 | youtah | is just trying to stir the pot |
| 19:28.32 | keldwud | I've a thing for Katy Perry's look |
| 19:28.34 | keldwud | actually |
| 19:28.44 | youtah | She is cute |
| 19:28.58 | keldwud | like, brittany spears, I never could get into when other people thought she was bangin |
| 19:29.02 | keldwud | but katy perry makes me smile |
| 19:29.25 | youtah | that's because she's intellectual |
| 19:29.36 | joshh | britney used to be a 7.5, definitely overrated |
| 19:29.45 | joshh | christina was always hotter |
| 19:29.51 | keldwud | I would have but britney at maybe a 5.5 |
| 19:30.00 | keldwud | christina I'd put at a 7.5 |
| 19:30.03 | joshh | paris hilton was a 4 |
| 19:30.07 | keldwud | haha |
| 19:30.30 | keldwud | I agree, except the carl's jr commercial |
| 19:30.30 | joshh | christina was a 9.0 |
| 19:30.37 | youtah | depends... I thought Britney was hot at 17 (I was also 17 thus okay) |
| 19:30.41 | keldwud | that one made me put her at an 8 or 9 before I realized who it was |
| 19:30.52 | youtah | or brittany |
| 19:30.59 | youtah | or however she spells her name |
| 19:31.03 | keldwud | britni |
| 19:31.05 | keldwud | cringes |
| 19:31.13 | youtah | britishknee |
| 19:31.32 | keldwud | I'm waiting for the troops to arrive and tell us to stop objectifying women and enslaving them by using a "rating" system based on looks |
| 19:31.47 | youtah | This reminds me of when the ESPN announced called Travis Wilson (the Quarter back for the U) a different name like 7 times |
| 19:32.12 | youtah | We've talked about more than looks though... |
| 19:32.25 | youtah | We were talking about Katy's intellectual hotness |
| 19:32.34 | keldwud | heh :) |
| 19:32.36 | joshh | really though, scarlett johansson and jessica alba are 10s, everyone else is ugly by comparison |
| 19:32.43 | youtah | joshh wins |
| 19:32.47 | keldwud | pics |
| 19:32.51 | keldwud | I forget what they both look like |
| 19:32.53 | joshh | watch the island |
| 19:32.59 | youtah | WHAT keldwud ?!?!?!? |
| 19:33.00 | keldwud | and too lazy to google |
| 19:33.12 | joshh | and whaever movie had jessica alba in the swimsuit |
| 19:33.14 | keldwud | I like dorky girls |
| 19:33.24 | keldwud | the island with that guy from titanic? |
| 19:33.26 | joshh | who doesn't |
| 19:33.28 | keldwud | leo |
| 19:33.29 | keldwud | leo.... |
| 19:33.37 | keldwud | dicarpi |
| 19:33.38 | youtah | leo de crappio |
| 19:33.38 | keldwud | damnit |
| 19:33.44 | keldwud | that island? |
| 19:33.48 | keldwud | or a different island? |
| 19:33.56 | fungus | keldwud, you are thinking of Shutter Island. |
| 19:34.16 | keldwud | am I? |
| 19:34.16 | keldwud | and he starts tripping at the end? |
| 19:34.17 | keldwud | and everything becomes a video game to him |
| 19:34.19 | keldwud | cuz he's cracked |
| 19:34.27 | youtah | you're not thinking of Ginger and Mary Ann are you? |
| 19:34.31 | youtah | ;-) |
| 19:35.03 | youtah | I wanna go take my Subie up Big Cottonwood Canyon with my new snow tires and shoot my car in the snow. |
| 19:35.04 | fungus | The Island (http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0399201/) |
| 19:35.07 | youtah | like really really bad |
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| 19:48.51 | ldav15_ | "The Island" is somewhat like this: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YrSgF5RQqXE |
| 20:04.24 | ^Migs^ | My wife and I have been listening to the Hunger Games audiobooks every night...almost done with Mockingjay |
| 20:04.30 | ^Migs^ | great stroies |
| 20:04.32 | ^Migs^ | *stories |
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| 20:35.55 | joshh | not only did i think the movie was bad, but i just didn't think it was a good premise or a good story |
| 20:35.55 | joshh | just seemed ridiculous in every way |
| 20:35.55 | joshh | and it was depressing |
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| 21:08.21 | youtah | http://www.connorboyack.com/blog/the-misguided-movement-to-restrict-internet-porn |
| 21:08.31 | youtah | spot on article |
| 21:08.43 | youtah | h/t fozzmoo |
| 21:13.26 | fozzmoo | yup. |
| 21:13.45 | fozzmoo | There are times, few and far between, when Connor is spot-on. :) |
| 21:14.03 | goozbach | fozzmoo: not a fan? |
| 21:14.20 | fozzmoo | Oh, I like him... he's just... a bit out there a lot of the time. |
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| 21:14.59 | fozzmoo | He's doesn't seem to take into consideration what it would take, practically speaking, to enact the kind of policies he promotes. |
| 21:15.17 | fozzmoo | It's taken our "progressive enemies" over 100 years to enact what we have now... |
| 21:15.46 | fozzmoo | You can't really expect to roll all that back overnight and oftentimes, that's what Connor says we should do. |
| 21:16.36 | fozzmoo | On most topics I agree with him to a point. The exception being illegal immigration. On that we share no common viewpoints whatsoever. |
| 21:17.41 | youtah | well said |
| 21:17.58 | youtah | I've gotten in, and had my fair share of arguements with Connor on twitter in the past |
| 21:18.21 | youtah | I told him Ron Paul sucked at Nintendo a long long time ago |
| 21:18.24 | youtah | it did not end well |
| 21:18.31 | youtah | wonders if I can find the tweet |
| 21:18.50 | youtah | wonders if he can find the tweet |
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| 21:43.12 | youtah | http://i.imgur.com/1XcaOdL.jpg |
| 21:43.29 | youtah | Someone buy me this please????! http://www.bhphotovideo.com/c/product/838794-REG/Nikon_25482_D4_Digital_SLR_Camera.html |
| 21:44.11 | youtah | 10fps up to 200 shots in full frame. |
| 21:44.19 | youtah | up to ISO 204,800 |
| 21:44.28 | youtah | 16.2mp (just right) |
| 21:44.48 | youtah | with "a standard range of 100-12,800 ISO" |
| 21:46.06 | youtah | it's just $5,996.95 |
| 22:00.00 | jxqz | eh |
| 22:00.10 | jxqz | cmos has way higher pixel density than ccd |
| 22:01.55 | joshh | fozzmoo: where are you on immigration? |
| 22:02.18 | harleypig | he's across the border |
| 22:04.35 | harleypig | Is there an Immigration Canyon? |
| 22:05.28 | joshh | i guess i mean, what sort of solutions do you like |
| 22:07.23 | harleypig | I'm assuming you don't mean something like 'The Final Solution' ... |
| 22:07.53 | harleypig | or The Final Countdown |
| 22:07.56 | joshh | that wouldn't be my ideal fix |
| 22:09.09 | harleypig | It would certainly solve the problem with some finality. |
| 22:09.47 | joshh | if we just killed everyone in other counties, nobody would illegally immigrate here |
| 22:09.55 | joshh | sound logic |
| 22:10.02 | harleypig | there you go ... you're getting the idea |
| 22:10.15 | harleypig | then we could send our undesirables there to colonize |
| 22:10.22 | jxqz | is immigration a problem? |
| 22:10.28 | harleypig | and kill them when they start getting ideas about wanting to come back |
| 22:10.40 | harleypig | it was to the Indians. |
| 22:11.23 | harleypig | I assume it was to whomever the Indians displaced |
| 22:11.53 | joshh | the other indians? |
| 22:13.11 | harleypig | The people who were to the indians what the indians were to us |
| 22:13.34 | jxqz | pre indians |
| 22:13.43 | fugue88 | Aliens. |
| 22:13.49 | jxqz | pre aliens |
| 22:13.56 | jxqz | pre universe |
| 22:13.59 | jxqz | pre |
| 22:14.02 | jxqz | <PROTECTED> |
| 22:14.05 | fugue88 | whoa |
| 22:14.08 | fugue88 | mind blown |
| 22:14.09 | jxqz | <exit> |
| 22:15.13 | joshh | anyway, since fozzmoo mentioned that he disagrees with that guy, i figured i'd ask |
| 22:15.46 | fozzmoo | Connor is an open-borders guy. |
| 22:16.14 | fozzmoo | I am not. |
| 22:16.18 | jxqz | fozzmoo wants people to stay where they belong |
| 22:16.19 | joshh | does that mean ignore illegals, or make it super easy to come legally? |
| 22:16.34 | joshh | the latter is my preference |
| 22:16.39 | fozzmoo | I believe most of our immigration woes would be solved by simply enforcing laws. |
| 22:16.54 | fozzmoo | Many of the laws need to be changed, but laws are useless if they're not enforced. |
| 22:17.14 | joshh | why not just not have them be illegal? |
| 22:17.44 | joshh | they're coming one way or another, no way to stop it without a total police state checking papers everywhere |
| 22:17.52 | joshh | might as well not make it a problem |
| 22:18.11 | fozzmoo | Send them back to their origin country and come in properly and we won't have any problems. |
| 22:18.20 | manithree | A welfare state can't have open borders. For long. |
| 22:18.36 | jxqz | properly meaning that fozzmoo has to bounce them |
| 22:18.45 | joshh | fozzmoo: you just said that guy isn't practical or realistic much of the time |
| 22:18.48 | joshh | but what you just said isn't either |
| 22:19.09 | jxqz | no way |
| 22:19.19 | jxqz | fozzmoo could totally make a good bouncer |
| 22:19.37 | jxqz | "american flag jacket, you're in" |
| 22:19.48 | joshh | we're not a welfare state |
| 22:19.52 | jxqz | "tacos, you're out" |
| 22:20.34 | jxqz | ~nacho |
| 22:20.35 | infobot | Why can't we ever have just, like, a salad? |
| 22:21.01 | joshh | how would you send them all back? lets start there |
| 22:21.38 | harleypig | joshh: ? How are we not a welfare state? |
| 22:22.17 | joshh | most people aren't on welfare here, and welfare itself is pretty basic |
| 22:22.49 | joshh | also we could just say no welfare until X time or something, but you can still be legal and work |
| 22:23.28 | unum | joshh: depends on how you choose to define welfare, if you include student loans, student grant, fha loans, social security, unemployment, most people in the US will use welfare during their life |
| 22:23.49 | harleypig | s/state?/state under ObamaCare?/ |
| 22:24.36 | jxqz | how are we not a state under HomeLandSecurityCare? |
| 22:24.37 | unum | I'm going to have to see a definition for welfare state before I can participate in this discussion |
| 22:24.38 | joshh | i guess i consider obamacare and welfare different things |
| 22:24.49 | joshh | doesn't matter though |
| 22:25.14 | unum | like I said it all depends on how you define welfare |
| 22:25.15 | jxqz | steals harleypig's welfare |
| 22:25.23 | unum | there is no such thing as a welfare check |
| 22:25.30 | joshh | we get tons of immigrants, there is no benefit to them not being legal, and lots of problems with it |
| 22:25.33 | jxqz | gives it to the illegals |
| 22:25.41 | harleypig | a welfare state is a state where the government is responsible for the welfare and health of its citizens |
| 22:25.46 | unum | the close things to welfare checks are tanf, unemployment, and ssi(including disablity) |
| 22:25.54 | joshh | that's pretty broad |
| 22:26.11 | unum | s/close/closest |
| 22:27.00 | jxqz | it's pretty clear that an open border policy would be economically beneficial |
| 22:27.21 | unum | well with that definition I fail to understand how the relates to the original statement, there's no benefit to non-citizens being here |
| 22:27.45 | harleypig | open border is fine, but no driver's license, no health insurance, no government assistance |
| 22:28.11 | jxqz | no passenger's license? |
| 22:28.21 | joshh | why no drivers license if they can pass the test? |
| 22:28.23 | joshh | sheesh |
| 22:28.28 | jxqz | I think your requirements are unrealistic |
| 22:28.31 | joshh | if they are legal, they are documented, and can have a license |
| 22:28.46 | harleypig | sorry ... append 'unless they become citizens through the proepr channels' |
| 22:28.59 | jxqz | haha, proper channels |
| 22:29.05 | joshh | government assistance, depending on what you mean, surely there could be sensible waiting periods for new arrivals |
| 22:29.28 | joshh | the proper channels should be smooth, fast, and affordable |
| 22:29.42 | jxqz | no such channels exist |
| 22:29.51 | joshh | instead of years of bueaurocracy |
| 22:30.29 | jxqz | Rome fell by whatever, the US fell by bureaucracy |
| 22:30.59 | unum | I'd like to learn more about non-citizens getting government assistance(besides drivers licenses), can you show me some links about that? |
| 22:31.30 | jxqz | but massenergy, now that falls by GMm/r |
| 22:31.59 | joshh | who cares about that... illegals steal identities, flee hit and runs, etc to avoid getting caught. that's a lot worse than getting a bit of assistance. |
| 22:33.18 | joshh | why does it matter if someone becomes legal via a quick form and low processing fee, or years of waiting and paying thousands? |
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| 22:33.51 | ElForesto | Make free market labor illegal, complain about the effects of the black market. Seems legit. |
| 22:34.05 | jxqz | face it, your socialist agitations are just logical philandering |
| 22:35.37 | joshh | and it's not just poor latin americans that have problems doing it properly. i've personally worked with software engineers from india and middle east who speak perfect english and do everything right but have to leave after years because they can't get the paperwork finalized for whatever stupid reason |
| 22:35.39 | joshh | probably the same for many of you |
| 22:36.03 | jxqz | well, that's not a problem unique to the US |
| 22:36.22 | joshh | who cares waht other countries do wrong |
| 22:37.04 | joshh | we shouldn't have welfare as an incentive for the unwashed masses to flood in, but anyone that wants to come here to live and work should just pop right in |
| 22:37.55 | joshh | anyway, i know that this is unrealistic, but it would be practical if the goal is to reduce illegal immigration |
| 22:38.14 | joshh | definitely more so than rounding them up or expecting them to voluntarily leave and go back |
| 22:38.44 | joshh | which also seems pointless, what's the point of taking the trip? |
| 22:38.52 | jxqz | many other countries have welfare as an incentive also |
| 22:39.37 | jxqz | but I think the welfare freeloader opportunists are far less a problem than has been stated |
| 22:40.06 | joshh | oh, definitely |
| 22:40.15 | jxqz | remember Chaffetz's illegal imigration concentration camp idea? |
| 22:40.22 | joshh | yes, that's why he got elected |
| 22:40.23 | jxqz | the guy campaigned on the idea |
| 22:40.25 | jxqz | and won |
| 22:40.42 | jxqz | topaz 2.0 |
| 22:41.13 | joshh | and of course once elected he never made a peep about it |
| 22:41.18 | joshh | and he still got re-elected |
| 22:41.20 | joshh | sigh, utah voters |
| 22:41.36 | joshh | at least mike lee does the stupid stuff he promises to |
| 22:41.42 | joshh | i'll give him that |
| 22:42.06 | jxqz | does that mean utah voters actually want all brown people to be confiscated and corralled into tent towns in the desert? |
| 22:42.30 | errstr | s/all/some/ |
| 22:42.37 | joshh | a lot |
| 22:42.44 | joshh | probably not most though |
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| 22:43.24 | jxqz | actually, the real shame with Utah voters is that they don't vote, they just reinforce whatever the republican party wants |
| 22:43.47 | jxqz | I mean, look at Swallow |
| 22:44.03 | jxqz | the guy was an exec for a payday loan company |
| 22:44.31 | jxqz | can you trust him to be an attorney general, or even just an attorney? |
| 22:44.56 | jxqz | with a worldview so fundamentally deceitful? |
| 22:45.06 | joshh | i was really surprised he beat reyes |
| 22:45.47 | joshh | seemed like a no brainer vote to me |
| 22:46.01 | jxqz | the democratic and libertarian parties constantly raise white, male, mormon, conservative candidates with loads of integrity |
| 22:46.34 | jxqz | the democratic governer guy last time actually went on to be a mission president a few months after the election |
| 22:46.58 | jxqz | can't imagine how someone so unrighteous could have managed that, though |
| 22:47.24 | jxqz | anyway |
| 22:47.31 | jxqz | why am I not speaking in hyperbole? |
| 22:47.35 | jxqz | I'm out of character |
| 22:47.48 | joshh | utah democrats are actually pretty decent republicans |
| 22:47.52 | jxqz | ~napoleon Utah |
| 22:47.52 | infobot | ACTION makes Utah buy a lotto ticket for Napoleon |
| 22:47.53 | joshh | moderate and sane |
| 22:48.03 | jxqz | ~napoleon youtah |
| 22:48.03 | infobot | ACTION throws youtah's favorite Masters of the Universe action figure out the bus window attached to a fishing line |
| 22:48.21 | youtah | ROFL |
| 22:48.41 | youtah | I totally forgot about that scene |
| 22:48.50 | jxqz | joshh: have you read theamericanconservative? |
| 22:48.58 | joshh | nope |
| 22:49.09 | youtah | I just did |
| 22:49.27 | jxqz | almost always a delicious counterpoint to all the extremist prevailing conservative histrionics |
| 22:49.27 | youtah | Look like the american conservative but without spaces |
| 22:49.50 | youtah | hides |
| 22:49.57 | jxqz | no, silly http://www.theamericanconservative.com/ |
| 22:51.42 | joshh | i actually kinda quit talking/reading about politics for the most part a year or two ago |
| 22:51.54 | joshh | just got too sick of it, and utah politicians depressed me too much |
| 22:52.20 | joshh | now i live in california and pay a lot less attention, though i am frequently annoyed by some of the liberal stuff here |
| 22:52.35 | joshh | like forcing stores to charge 10 cents for checkout bags |
| 22:53.01 | joshh | but i'll take annoyed over going grey from frustration |
| 22:54.36 | joshh | to be clear, paying the extra dime isn't the problem |
| 22:55.35 | joshh | the cashier asks you how many bags you want to buy, before your stuff is even bagged, and if you estimate wrong everyone sighs and groans while you either look for another dime or the cashier just gives you a free bag to get you out of the way |
| 22:58.43 | joshh | before that, you just had to get paper bags instead of plastic, which was fine |
| 22:59.26 | joshh | but just keeping plastic out of the ocean wasn't good enough for the progressives, you also need to be encouraged to have a reusable bag |
| 22:59.47 | joshh | but ya, i'll take that stuff every time over 3.2 beer and politicians offering tent cities |
| 23:00.09 | harleypig | How many people can you suffocate with the same plastic bag before it becomes unusable? |
| 23:01.06 | joshh | i would always use plastic bags twice |
| 23:01.16 | youtah | I think I might drive up BCC to play in the snow |
| 23:01.20 | youtah | with my new snow tires |
| 23:01.27 | joshh | once to bring home the stuff, and once for whenever i put random stuff in it to carry somewhere |
| 23:13.27 | keldwud | so provo updated their website |
| 23:13.34 | keldwud | and now there are a bunch of dead links everywhere |
| 23:13.46 | keldwud | they combined covey center for the arts and provo rec into provo.org looks like |
| 23:16.39 | keldwud | our "immigration woes" would be solved if we stopped offloading our subsidized commodoties into poor countries |
| 23:16.42 | keldwud | :-p |
| 23:16.48 | keldwud | @ fozzmoo |
| 23:17.27 | keldwud | also, how does having larger labor capital harm a country? |
| 23:18.08 | keldwud | re: late to the party |
| 23:18.09 | keldwud | :) |
| 23:18.28 | keldwud | I'm just trying to figure out what benefits having closed borders provides. |
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| 23:19.39 | harleypig | keldwud: more jobs |
| 23:19.48 | joshh | it keeps ICE afloat |
| 23:19.57 | keldwud | ahh, fewer people == more jobs |
| 23:19.58 | keldwud | got it |
| 23:20.16 | keldwud | so who gets to choose who has the right to work? |
| 23:20.36 | joshh | because the immigrants only come here for welfare and don't start any businesses |
| 23:20.47 | keldwud | is it always a line drawn across skin color and nationality? |
| 23:21.01 | keldwud | why can't we draw the line between people who want to work and people who don't want to work? |
| 23:21.05 | harleypig | keldwud: no, no, no. You have the people who put up and maintain the fence, the cameras, the border patrol, the court clerks and legal secretaries, the prison guards ... |
| 23:21.13 | keldwud | and then give jobs to the people who want to work? :) |
| 23:21.18 | keldwud | or am I simplifying too much? |
| 23:21.23 | keldwud | oooooh I see |
| 23:21.26 | keldwud | I get it now |
| 23:21.37 | joshh | open borders probably presents a different set of problems, sure |
| 23:21.42 | keldwud | by making attempts to stifile immigration, we create a new job market |
| 23:21.48 | joshh | but our current approach does not solve or improve anything |
| 23:21.50 | keldwud | and then can use our existing population to fill those jobs |
| 23:21.54 | keldwud | where does the money come from? |
| 23:22.03 | keldwud | who pays for us to keep people out of the country? |
| 23:22.14 | harleypig | keldwud: why, the government pays for it |
| 23:22.22 | fugue88 | keldwud: The Fed prints the money, duh. |
| 23:22.29 | keldwud | ahhh |
| 23:22.29 | joshh | im at work right now helping to fund the border patrol and ICE to keep out mexicans who want my jerb |
| 23:22.32 | fugue88 | If we need more, we'll just print more. |
| 23:22.40 | fugue88 | ;) |
| 23:22.56 | keldwud | ok, so let me see if I have this straight |
| 23:22.58 | joshh | even though tehre are tons of them here anyway |
| 23:23.01 | harleypig | joshh: Don't forget the rest of the world |
| 23:23.09 | keldwud | people who want to work are a threat to my security |
| 23:23.11 | keldwud | is that right? |
| 23:23.22 | harleypig | keldwud: no, people who want to enter the country |
| 23:23.28 | keldwud | oooh |
| 23:23.35 | harleypig | including those who have left and want to return |
| 23:23.35 | keldwud | that makes sense |
| 23:23.53 | keldwud | because people coming into *MY* country will use *MY* resources |
| 23:23.58 | keldwud | like land, money, jobs, etc |
| 23:23.59 | keldwud | right? |
| 23:24.06 | keldwud | so anybody coming into my territory is a threat, right? |
| 23:24.18 | keldwud | so who do I allow into my territory? |
| 23:24.22 | keldwud | now that this is all mine? |
| 23:24.28 | keldwud | it's mine isn't it? |
| 23:24.34 | keldwud | because I was born american? |
| 23:24.35 | harleypig | nope, it's the governments |
| 23:24.40 | keldwud | that gives me the right to all this stuff, right? |
| 23:24.42 | keldwud | whaaaat? |
| 23:24.48 | keldwud | but the government is the ppl |
| 23:24.49 | keldwud | I'm ppl |
| 23:24.53 | keldwud | therefore I own all this stuff |
| 23:25.04 | keldwud | and it's my job to protect it by not allowing other people to play with my toys |
| 23:25.06 | keldwud | MY TOYS! |
| 23:25.11 | keldwud | >:-[ |
| 23:25.11 | harleypig | nope, you live on sufferance from the government |
| 23:25.18 | keldwud | oh wait, I think I'm getting things confused :) |
| 23:26.01 | keldwud | anybody going to riverwoods tonight? |
| 23:26.30 | keldwud | srsly, I get so upset when other people try to play with my toys (that I found in a public space) |
| 23:26.41 | keldwud | the nerve of some people. thinking they can share resources and space with me |
| 23:26.44 | keldwud | who do they think they are? |
| 23:26.56 | fugue88 | Let me straighten you out, keldwud. People want in. On average, they want to work more than we do. That jeopardizes our cushy jobs. We don't want to look bad. |
| 23:27.06 | fugue88 | :P |
| 23:27.09 | keldwud | :) |
| 23:27.19 | keldwud | okay so I think I figured it out |
| 23:27.33 | keldwud | I'm the ultimate decider because I am part of group X |
| 23:27.48 | keldwud | and as part of group X, becaue you aren't part of group X, you don't get to decide things |
| 23:27.52 | keldwud | is that right? |
| 23:28.04 | keldwud | or am I still over simplifying it? :) |
| 23:28.46 | keldwud | gah. I hope provo.org gets all the kinks worked out soon :( |
| 23:29.10 | harleypig | fugue88: It's not that we don't want to look bad, it's that they'll work harder and edge us out unless we work just as hard as our grandparents did. |
| 23:29.27 | keldwud | but our grandparents worked hard so we wouldn't have to, duh |
| 23:30.09 | keldwud | I just realized it's no fun when all the participants are Poes |
| 23:30.42 | harleypig | Poes? |
| 23:30.49 | fugue88 | shrugs |
| 23:30.50 | keldwud | Poe |
| 23:30.56 | keldwud | unmmm... |
| 23:30.57 | harleypig | Edgar Allan? |
| 23:31.00 | keldwud | I thought it was a univeral term? |
| 23:31.41 | keldwud | https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Poe%27s_Law |
| 23:31.44 | keldwud | Poes Law |
| 23:31.45 | keldwud | ? |
| 23:32.06 | harleypig | keldwud: was getting concerned ... https://en.wiktionary.org/wiki/poes |
| 23:32.23 | fugue88 | keldwud: :D |
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| 23:32.28 | keldwud | haha |
| 23:32.55 | keldwud | well to be fair, i do verb up the first word from Poes Law to indicate when somebody is acting the role |
| 23:33.03 | keldwud | and that isn't actually common usage |
| 23:33.09 | keldwud | also, was that meta? |
| 23:33.15 | keldwud | saying "I verb up the word"? |
| 23:33.28 | harleypig | metameta |
| 23:33.32 | keldwud | :) |
| 23:33.33 | harleypig | You verbed up the word verb |
| 23:33.44 | fugue88 | Is this channel still rated G? |
| 23:33.51 | harleypig | or, maybe recursively meta |
| 23:33.53 | keldwud | oh crap |
| 23:33.56 | keldwud | this is rated G? |
| 23:33.59 | keldwud | I'm fired |
| 23:34.07 | keldwud | I think I said swears in here before |
| 23:34.08 | harleypig | G == Godawful? |
| 23:35.22 | harleypig | G == Gelfling? |
| 23:35.42 | harleypig | G == Goedel? |
| 23:36.53 | harleypig | G == Gibbering |
| 23:36.57 | harleypig | G == Gibbous |
| 23:37.09 | harleypig | G == Galeonthropic |
| 23:37.52 | harleypig | Galimatias ... that's what this channel is. |
| 23:37.57 | ldav15_ | <PROTECTED> |
| 23:38.11 | harleypig | G == Garotte |
| 23:38.48 | harleypig | Also, Gallimaufric |
| 23:39.06 | ldav15_ | G == Glib |
| 23:39.11 | unum | was hoping for more of an argument about welfare |
| 23:39.12 | unum | oh well |
| 23:39.16 | unum | almost time to go home |
| 23:39.39 | harleypig | also, most in this channel could be said to be gamidolatrous |
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| 23:42.40 | harleypig | and I was just starting to get some good g's ... |
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| 23:55.13 | fozzmoo | keldwud: You misunderstand me. I actually want more LEGAL immigration, especially for non-skilled workers as it's obvious our society has need for them. |
