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| 15:05.17 | fozzmoo | Rawr! |
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| 15:16.12 | unum | ender's game++ |
| 15:16.24 | unum | could have used some more battle school battle exercises |
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| 15:26.18 | fozzmoo | unum: Good to know! |
| 15:35.47 | unum | The enemy's gate is down!!! |
| 15:36.00 | unum | fozzmoo: most of the changes from the novel are related to adapting the time line |
| 15:36.09 | unum | actually I'd say all the changes are |
| 15:36.14 | unum | they had leave out sooooooooooooooooooooo much |
| 15:37.33 | fozzmoo | Not surprising, really. |
| 15:40.09 | unum | I saw a reviewers say it's "a survey of excerts from the book" which is pretty fair |
| 15:40.28 | unum | a mini series would have been nice :) |
| 15:40.47 | fozzmoo | Good point. |
| 15:41.38 | ElForesto | There's only so many Peter Jackson-like epics we can sit through. |
| 15:45.52 | unum | ElForesto: not for me :) |
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| 16:33.29 | jlp_znc | seems the current trend is to take a book and make three movies out of it |
| 16:33.52 | jlp_znc | doesn't matter if it's a 2000 page trilogy or a 110 page novel |
| 16:34.07 | jlp_znc | s/novel/novella/ |
| 16:41.12 | goozbach | jlp_znc: of course |
| 16:41.24 | goozbach | the more movies you can make, the more money you can collect |
| 16:41.57 | goozbach | and with the lovely hollywood accounting few people get lots of dough |
| 16:47.12 | jgoodman1990 | don't forget that those movies could be remade later, then "rebooted" after |
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| 17:00.22 | unum | Steven King likes to do miniseries so that he can include more of his book in the story |
| 17:00.39 | unum | with ender's game it's hard to think of a good way to break it up |
| 17:01.20 | unum | the pre battle school and post battle school stuff don't seem to be long enough to be their own movies |
| 17:01.30 | unum | but the battle school part seems like it should be alone |
| 17:02.04 | unum | maybe do two movies and end the first one when he gets his own battle school army |
| 17:04.49 | ElForesto | This is why I like TV shows. They can tell a story over a long arc without having to worry about what they leave on the cutting room floor. |
| 17:05.45 | manithree1 | ElForesto: If there existed a television show that had a good story, I would be with you on that. |
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| 17:07.38 | ElForesto | Breaking Bad? Burn Notice? Lost? The epic story arc serial drama is proven. |
| 17:07.42 | jlp_znc | I heard "24" had some good stories... I haven't watched them, though. |
| 17:07.58 | manithree1 | Lost had a story? |
| 17:08.12 | ElForesto | Har har. :P |
| 17:08.13 | manithree1 | I musta missed that episode |
| 17:08.14 | jlp_znc | Burn Notice was good. Lost left me ... a little cold. Battlestar Galactica had a good story. |
| 17:10.00 | manithree1 | I do need to check out breaking bad. 24 was formulaic. |
| 17:17.08 | Heartsbane | Breaking bad was awesome |
| 17:17.15 | jgoodman1990 | I could be wrong on this but I think television shows are usually more profitable than movies |
| 17:18.27 | jgoodman1990 | Quentin Tarantino has expressed desire to move more into doing mini series than continue in movies |
| 17:18.53 | ElForesto | Given what Netflix will pay for them, I wouldn't doubt it. |
| 17:20.08 | fozzmoo | Burn Notice was so horribly bad, it was entertaining. |
| 17:20.34 | fozzmoo | Like... unintentionally entertaining. |
| 17:21.12 | jgoodman1990 | ^^ |
| 17:21.27 | ElForesto | I don't know that I'd put it in the same category as Nicholas Cage. |
| 17:21.59 | goozbach | ~shoot Jayce^ |
| 17:22.00 | infobot | ACTION shoots Jayce^ in the eye with a spitwad! |
| 17:22.29 | Heartsbane | ~lart Jayce^ |
| 17:22.29 | infobot | breaks out the Hoover and sucks up Jayce^ |
| 17:24.05 | Jayce^ | ?? |
| 17:31.20 | unum | fozzmoo: isn't that the bruce campbell promise |
| 17:32.53 | unum | I like how burn notice was willing to move the story line forward and adapt the episodes to the main characters changing circum stances |
| 17:33.03 | unum | looks at a-team, monk, etc |
| 17:34.36 | ElForesto | Definitely a lot of A-Team flavor. And they knew when and how to end the show. I left very satisfied. |
| 17:43.00 | jlp_znc | I still need to watch the last season of Burn Notice |
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| 18:31.00 | shalkie | it appears that an off duty TSA agent has done some shooting at LAX |
| 18:31.18 | fozzmoo | The TSA agent is the "suspect?" |
| 18:31.41 | fozzmoo | Wow. |
| 18:31.49 | shalkie | that is the report |
| 18:31.54 | fozzmoo | Abolish the TSA, man. They're nothin' but trouble. |
| 18:34.12 | fozzmoo | ~lart goozbach |
| 18:34.12 | infobot | slams goozbach against a large cement Tux |
| 18:35.17 | goozbach | why lart me? |
| 18:35.30 | fozzmoo | Why not? |
| 18:35.32 | fozzmoo | Come spin. |
| 18:35.56 | ElForesto | TSA: protecting you from ourselves. |
| 18:36.40 | goozbach | didn't hear you come online |
| 18:36.52 | goozbach | listening to the radio to get more details RE LAX |
| 18:43.34 | fozzmoo | That, my friends, is why I always fly into John Wayne or Bob Hope |
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| 20:21.35 | joshh | i wonder if he was shooting random people or going after other tsa douches who wronged him |
| 20:34.51 | harleypig_ | The agent who was shot stole the other agents turn to feel up the hot woman ... |
| 20:39.12 | jxqz | ~napoleon |
| 20:39.12 | infobot | Pedro offers you his protection. |
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| 20:45.55 | harleypig_ | Pedro can't protect me ... |
| 20:46.09 | jxqz | ~napoleon harleypig_ |
| 20:46.10 | infobot | ACTION makes harleypig_ his secret service captian |
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| 20:46.46 | harleypig_ | I have to service you in secret? |
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| 21:00.33 | harleypig | Sorry Jayce^, I'm infobot's secret servicer ... :> |
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| 21:31.28 | harleypig_ | I've just run into a problem where du is reporting more space than df. Rsearch shows it's because du is including open files and other things. |
| 21:31.42 | harleypig_ | Is there a similar program to du that will give me more accurate reporting on a directory level? |
| 21:31.59 | goozbach | I've seen that also with files hidden by a mount |
| 21:32.06 | goozbach | ie touch foo/file1 |
| 21:32.10 | goozbach | mount bar foo |
| 21:32.12 | goozbach | ls foo |
| 21:35.40 | harleypig_ | I don't think that's the case here. df is report 47G and du is reporting 57G for the same system. |
| 21:35.53 | harleypig_ | We don't have anything that should be hiding 10G that way |
| 21:36.34 | goozbach | goram kvm networking stopped working |
| 21:36.38 | jlp_znc | usually df reports more in use than du |
| 21:37.46 | jlp_znc | are they using the same block size? |
| 21:39.58 | harleypig_ | using --block-size=1024 for both commands I'm getting the same results. |
| 21:40.18 | jlp_znc | lsof can tell you if there are any open files on the filesystem: lsof -a +L1 |
| 21:40.48 | jlp_znc | but df is supposed to read the superblock directly while du munges through the actual filesystem, so df should show more in use than du |
| 21:41.22 | harleypig_ | That dumps about 20 lines with (deleted) for the name column |
| 21:41.24 | jlp_znc | (i.e. df still counts those unlinked files, but du can't see them because it just walks the filsystem) |
| 21:43.27 | harleypig_ | So how do I get the filesystem to let these deleted files go? |
| 21:43.38 | HumanCell | Obama Adminstration announces the formation of the TSASA - Transporation Security Administration Security Administration - "TSASA has established guiding principles to maintain the security of the employees of the TSA so that they can follow their established guiding principles to maintain the security of the traveling public and continuously set the standard for excellence in transportation security." |
| 21:43.55 | jlp_znc | lsof will tell you the pid of the process that owns them... kill that process |
| 21:48.34 | goozbach | harleypig_: close whatever process has them open |
| 21:48.40 | goozbach | /proc/pid/fd |
| 21:50.28 | harleypig_ | ok ... I stopped the services that were keeping those files open, the lsof command showed nothing, and df and du are still showing the same numbers. |
| 21:50.56 | harleypig_ | woah ... those same deleted lines are back |
| 21:52.13 | jlp_znc | what is this, a windows machine? :-) reboot! |
| 21:52.23 | harleypig_ | bite yer tongue! :D |
| 21:52.30 | harleypig_ | yeah, rebooting isn't an option |
| 21:52.39 | harleypig_ | l |
| 21:57.09 | jlp_znc | so did they really stop and restart (is the pid listed in lsof output different)? |
| 21:57.30 | harleypig_ | they are |
| 21:57.35 | harleypig_ | the pids are different |
| 21:57.56 | jlp_znc | so those processes need to have those files open for whatever sick purposes they have |
| 21:58.02 | harleypig_ | heh |
| 21:58.08 | jlp_znc | regardless, any that were open before should be gone now |
| 21:58.12 | harleypig_ | in any case, those files are not 10G worth |
| 21:58.22 | jlp_znc | if du and df are still showing something different, then something else weird is going on |
| 21:58.38 | harleypig_ | This is an openvz container |
| 21:58.42 | harleypig_ | if that makes any difference |
| 21:58.42 | jlp_znc | perhaps one of them (df maybe) is taking into account the minfree percentage on the filesystem? what is the filesystem type? |
| 21:59.22 | jnbek | lines came back en harleypig_ ? http://devopsreactions.tumblr.com/post/64853040763/i-deleted-that-line-5-hours-ago |
| 22:00.24 | harleypig_ | mount is showing reiserfs |
| 22:00.33 | jlp_znc | ugh |
| 22:01.00 | harleypig_ | yeah, it's a killer |
| 22:01.02 | harleypig_ | :> |
| 22:01.25 | harleypig_ | oooo ... I made somebody quit! :D |
| 22:07.35 | jnbek | :) |
| 22:11.10 | harleypig_ | Ok ... so which is more accurate for used space? df, which trusts the superblock apparently, or du which includes, for lack of a better word, phantom files. |
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| 22:32.41 | jlp_znc | I don't know that either is accurate on reiserfs |
| 22:33.38 | jlp_znc | can you unmount the fs and run reiser's equivalent of fsck on it? |
| 22:34.59 | jlp_znc | hmmm, is your du defaulting to --apparent-size? |
| 22:35.18 | jlp_znc | sparse files may cause the actual space used to be less than what du shows if it's using --apparent-size |
| 22:36.02 | jlp_znc | (does reiserfs even support sparse files?) |
| 22:37.28 | jlp_znc | is du maybe following a symlink to some other filesystem? try du -D |
| 22:44.16 | harleypig_ | I can't do much to this system ... it's a live account |
| 22:44.45 | harleypig_ | I don't think it's defaulting to apparent-size, in any case the output is roughly the same with and without that parm |
| 22:45.33 | harleypig_ | du -sD / gives the same result as du -s |
| 22:45.49 | harleypig_ | err ... du -s / |
| 22:46.38 | Tene | harleypig_: "phantom files"? |
| 22:47.15 | harleypig_ | Tene: *shrug* open file descriptors, other things that aren't really files? |
| 22:47.15 | Tene | harleypig_: du and df are answering different questions; if you want to know how much space you have available, df is not wrong. |
| 22:47.38 | Tene | If you try to use more space than df reports is available, you're going to have a bad time. |
| 22:48.21 | jlp_znc | Tene: the problem is that df is reporting *less* disk used than du is |
| 22:48.57 | Tene | If df says there's space available, then it's available. Nothing can be using those blocks. |
| 22:49.56 | harleypig_ | root@corwindesign [~]# df -P --block-size=1024 / Filesystem 1024-blocks Used Available Capacity Mounted on /dev/simfs 68157440 48824032 19333408 72% / root@corwindesign [~]# du -s --block-size=1024 / 59082392 / |
| 22:50.01 | harleypig_ | gah ... that's ugly |
| 22:50.02 | jlp_znc | agreed. the unanswered question is why does du think that there is more disk in use than df does. normally, it's the other way around (open but unlinked files are reported by df, but not by du) |
| 22:50.11 | harleypig | root@corwindesign [~]# df -P --block-size=1024 / |
| 22:50.12 | harleypig | Filesystem 1024-blocks Used Available Capacity Mounted on |
| 22:50.12 | harleypig | /dev/simfs 68157440 48824032 19333408 72% / |
| 22:50.12 | harleypig | root@corwindesign [~]# du -s --block-size=1024 / |
| 22:50.12 | harleypig | 59082392 / |
| 22:50.16 | fugue88 | Is du spanning some mount, NFS maybe? |
| 22:50.29 | fugue88 | Even a mount --bind can mess that up. |
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| 22:50.34 | jxqz | are there suspicious mounts in `mount`? |
| 22:50.45 | harleypig_ | du -sD --block-size=1024 / is reporting the same number |
| 22:50.52 | fugue88 | Oh, and check from /proc/mounts, not the mount command. |
| 22:50.52 | jlp_znc | or /proc/mounts, since "mount" might not show everything |
| 22:50.55 | fugue88 | heh |
| 22:51.00 | jlp_znc | jinx |
| 22:51.04 | Tene | Did you include -x ? |
| 22:51.16 | jxqz | yeah, well, of course somebody else is going to give a better answer :) |
| 22:51.32 | Tene | harleypig_: add -x |
| 22:51.37 | harleypig | root@corwindesign [~]# du -sDx --block-size=1024 / |
| 22:51.37 | harleypig | 59082388 / |
| 22:51.58 | harleypig | nothing suspicious in /proc/mounts |
| 22:53.03 | Tene | What filesystem is it? |
| 22:53.31 | harleypig_ | mount says reiserfs |
| 22:53.39 | fugue88 | Hmm... du is even handling hardlinks correctly for me. |
| 22:53.45 | harleypig_ | df -T says that too |
| 22:53.52 | fugue88 | Oh, duh. |
| 22:53.58 | fugue88 | lsof /wherever |grep -i del |
| 22:54.02 | fugue88 | harleypig_: ^ |
| 22:54.13 | fugue88 | Maybe you have deleted files that are still open. |
| 22:54.28 | Tene | fugue88: that would make df report higher than du, not what he's seeing. |
| 22:54.32 | harleypig_ | Someone suggested that earlier. |
| 22:54.41 | fugue88 | Oh, backwards. *embarassed* |
| 22:54.48 | harleypig_ | heh |
| 22:55.06 | Tene | I know just about nothing about reiserfs. |
| 22:55.10 | harleypig_ | I stopped the services that were associated with those deleted entries, and they came back. |
| 22:56.36 | harleypig_ | err ... they came back after the services were restarted. |
| 22:56.46 | harleypig_ | So, I'm guessing they are needed by those servcies |
| 23:02.43 | jlp_znc | yeah, I'm out of ideas, harleypig_ |
| 23:03.22 | harleypig_ | Thanks. At least I can go to my boss and explain what usually happens. |
| 23:03.59 | harleypig_ | Also, I'm reading a number of threads and articles that say this might be an indication of corruption in the filesystem and/or problems with the disk. |
| 23:04.05 | harleypig_ | and a fsck -f is required. |
| 23:04.07 | jlp_znc | the only thing I can think of is that reiserfs is weird and shouldn't be used in production. :-/ doesn't really help you |
| 23:05.20 | harleypig_ | yeah, I'm really surprised ... I don't remember making these containers using reiserfs ... |
| 23:05.43 | harleypig_ | as a matter of fact, looking back through my notes I have a thread here where I and others argued against it and ext3 was chosen. |
| 23:07.10 | jlp_znc | hmmm |
| 23:07.28 | harleypig_ | though, this is an older server ... it may actually be one of the first ones stood up ... |
| 23:07.33 | harleypig_ | but I thought we had removed that. |
| 23:07.41 | harleypig_ | errr ... removed those |
| 23:07.51 | harleypig_ | either way, that doesn't solve my problem. |
| 23:08.05 | Tene | harleypig_: Yeah, at this point I'd be inclined to dismiss it as "reiserfs is weird and unreliable; just rebuild the server with something better" |
| 23:12.05 | harleypig_ | :D ... yeah, that's not going to fly |
| 23:17.32 | joshh | harleypig_: just pretend you never noticed it |
| 23:17.42 | harleypig_ | :] tempting |
| 23:18.16 | harleypig_ | except that it was brought to my attention by my boss and I have to fix it within the guidelines of not rebooting either the container or the server |
| 23:18.24 | harleypig_ | s/guidelines/restriction/ |
| 23:18.43 | joshh | how can you have a server that can never be rebooted? |
| 23:19.12 | Tene | joshh: You can't. You can have a server where you'r epretty screwed when it does go down, though. |
| 23:19.19 | Tene | In fact, it's even easier than the alternative. |
| 23:39.19 | harleypig_ | joshh: business demands reboots only happen within scheduled windows |
| 23:39.26 | harleypig_ | and we don't schedule them |
| 23:39.49 | harleypig_ | s/don't/can't/ |
| 23:40.10 | harleypig_ | we being those of us trying to fix things |