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| 00:17.31 | harleypig_ | I know yum groupinfo 'Group Name' will show me the packages (default and optional) for a group, but how do I see which optional packages are installed? |
| 00:17.38 | harleypig_ | Short of cut-n-paste, I mean. |
| 00:18.56 | harleypig_ | nm |
| 00:19.03 | harleypig_ | rtfm usually works |
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| 00:49.41 | shalkie | Drats, if I could have understood him better I would have had more fun with the "I am calling from the technical support department" call. |
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| 13:25.22 | shalkie | Good Morning #Utah. |
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| 16:55.32 | levi | Sounds like a Chuck Norris story. |
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| 17:22.21 | keldwud | how do I figure out which physical bay sdx corresponds to? |
| 17:22.22 | keldwud | i.e. sda = 0, sdb = 1, etc |
| 17:22.23 | keldwud | where 0 = first bay, 1 = second bay, ... |
| 17:37.02 | fugue88 | keldwud: Cut power to each one by one, and watch dmesg. :P |
| 17:37.19 | keldwud | haha |
| 17:37.21 | keldwud | is that responsible? :) |
| 17:37.23 | fugue88 | keldwud: But seriously, it depends on the motherboard. You'll just have to test. |
| 17:37.33 | fugue88 | keldwud: Responsible? Depends... ;) |
| 17:45.43 | keldwud | haha |
| 17:59.56 | Migs | http://www.sciencedaily.com/releases/2013/10/131021162649.htm |
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| 18:15.34 | keldwud | blasphemy! |
| 18:15.51 | keldwud | co-worker tried telling me that the first few lines of Firework by Katy Perry don't make any sense |
| 18:16.08 | keldwud | and I was all, like, OMG DO YOU NOT EXPERIENCE LIFE LIKE, EVAR!? ARE YOU EVEN HUMAN? |
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| 18:21.27 | fungus | keldwud, that info is available in /sys |
| 18:21.56 | youtah | jlp_znc, http://science-junkie.tumblr.com/post/63728911950/sprqman-science-is-so-cool-lovely-tiny#.UmllMuakgyT |
| 18:22.34 | fungus | keldwud, ls -l /sys/class/block/sd[a-z]/device |
| 18:22.56 | keldwud | fungus |
| 18:22.58 | keldwud | oh cool :) |
| 18:23.07 | keldwud | I had looked at /proc/diskstats |
| 18:23.15 | keldwud | and that gives me a similar list |
| 18:23.18 | keldwud | but this looks more verbose |
| 18:23.57 | keldwud | scsi_disk? |
| 18:23.57 | fungus | that device node is a symlink to the scsi device so you can just browse around in there and find all the info you need, and more. |
| 18:24.01 | keldwud | is that what I'm looking for? |
| 18:24.23 | fungus | that ls -l shows you the SCSI ID of each device |
| 18:25.20 | keldwud | is that the same as ls -al /dev/disk/by-id/ ? |
| 18:25.59 | keldwud | oh yeah it gives me different information |
| 18:26.02 | fungus | No, the SCSI ID is like 0:0:0:1 |
| 18:26.13 | keldwud | yeah I see it, I think |
| 18:26.22 | keldwud | 0000:00:1f.1 |
| 18:26.27 | keldwud | versus 1f.2 |
| 18:26.27 | fungus | nope |
| 18:26.31 | keldwud | hmm |
| 18:26.40 | fungus | ls -l /sys/class/block/sd[a-z]/device |
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| 18:26.57 | fungus | each one shows a symlink to ../../../<SCSI ID> |
| 18:27.01 | keldwud | oh I was just doing /block |
| 18:27.41 | keldwud | 6:0:1:0 |
| 18:27.44 | keldwud | and 0:0:0:0 |
| 18:27.52 | keldwud | where do I learn to read those numbers? |
| 18:28.29 | fungus | host:bus:target:lun |
| 18:28.44 | keldwud | and where do I go to find that out if I forget? :) |
| 18:29.00 | fungus | ~google scsi addressing |
| 18:29.08 | keldwud | scsi addressing, got it :) |
| 18:29.16 | keldwud | thank you for helping me learn |
| 18:30.01 | keldwud | i.e. adapter number, channel number, id number, logical unit number |
| 18:30.07 | fungus | yup |
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| 18:30.40 | fungus | Hopefully your disk arrays are labeled correctly to identify which channel/id is which |
| 18:30.52 | keldwud | ok yeah, so 0 would be the first drive bay |
| 18:31.00 | keldwud | and 6 would be my cf card I bet |
| 18:31.14 | keldwud | since the CF card doesn't logically "appear" before the other drives |
| 18:31.20 | keldwud | even though I boot from CF and make CF sda |
| 18:32.02 | fungus | tail /sys/class/block/sd[a-z]/device/model |
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| 18:32.47 | keldwud | oooh@ |
| 18:32.49 | keldwud | ooh! :) |
| 18:33.06 | keldwud | are you in utah county, fungus? or slc? |
| 18:33.12 | fungus | slc |
| 18:33.15 | keldwud | I think I'll buy you lunch or a beer sometime |
| 18:33.22 | keldwud | you've always been helpful to me |
| 18:33.28 | fungus | haha. anytime. |
| 18:33.32 | keldwud | I'm in provo :) |
| 18:33.41 | fungus | i'm sorry |
| 18:33.45 | keldwud | I'll just announce in here next time I'm in slc and maybe I can catch you |
| 18:36.54 | keldwud | this makes me want to study *nix filesystem heirarchy some more |
| 18:36.59 | keldwud | starts cracking open the books |
| 18:39.09 | keldwud | chapter 6 in unix and linux administration handbook :) |
| 18:40.49 | keldwud | is this what I'm seeing in the example I explored above? "they are not really data files, but they're handled through the filesystem and their characteristics are stored on disk" |
| 18:42.56 | keldwud | what tool would allow me to see the working directory for running processes? |
| 18:43.02 | keldwud | can I see that in ps? |
| 18:43.18 | keldwud | not that I need the information, I just want to see it to illustrate a point I'm learning |
| 18:43.57 | fungus | lsof will show you the working directory of any process |
| 18:44.41 | fungus | example: http://paste2.org/PNJnnkN6 |
| 18:45.38 | keldwud | why the -p *and* the grep? |
| 18:45.41 | jlp_znc | http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6uZnmvjXjo0 |
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| 18:46.11 | keldwud | I see that -p gives us the lsof of a specific process |
| 18:46.20 | keldwud | tries some things in his terminal |
| 18:46.22 | fungus | yup. |
| 18:46.46 | fungus | you can also find that using /proc: ls -l /proc/<pid>/cwd |
| 18:47.49 | youtah | wish I had some nachos right about now |
| 18:49.24 | jxqz | you can see everything with find / |
| 18:49.39 | jxqz | ~napoleon |
| 18:49.39 | infobot | Wait, I forgot the crystals. |
| 18:52.00 | jlp_znc | fungus/keldwud: readlink is a nicer way to get that /proc/<pid>/cwd if you want to do something with it (like put it in a variable or something) |
| 18:52.47 | keldwud | readlink huh? |
| 18:52.50 | keldwud | mans |
| 18:53.13 | jlp_znc | http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OF2i8eG7KhA <- just listen to the audio without looking at the screen... try to figure out what he's actually talking about |
| 18:54.28 | fozzmoo | youtah: Get you some nachos! |
| 18:54.36 | youtah | how about some TT? |
| 18:54.37 | rsimpkins | jlp_znc: A power monitoring device. |
| 18:54.51 | rsimpkins | oh, that was a commercial. |
| 18:54.59 | rsimpkins | But you did tell me not to look at it! :) |
| 18:54.59 | fozzmoo | youtah: Okie. |
| 18:55.00 | jlp_znc | rsimpkins: :-) |
| 19:15.43 | keldwud | hmmm |
| 19:15.58 | keldwud | any disk partitioning utilities in initramfs? |
| 19:16.16 | keldwud | I want to get rid of the raid array on a disk I put into a system |
| 19:18.18 | fungus | might have fdisk, but you might have to just boot a live CD |
| 19:21.46 | keldwud | yeah fdisk wasn't availble |
| 19:21.51 | keldwud | would disk partitioning be my only fix? |
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| 19:22.12 | keldwud | oh I guess I could reinstall, too :) and let puppet reprovision |
| 20:01.17 | Migs | http://www.theverge.com/2013/10/24/5024820/healthcare-gov-obama-tech-surge |
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| 20:15.24 | jxqz | man, I hate ^w |
| 20:17.22 | jxqz | kills words *and* tabs |
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| 21:10.21 | harleypig_ | TIL the theme song for PeeWee's Playhouse was performed by Cyndi Lauper |
| 21:19.21 | Migs | https://scontent-a.xx.fbcdn.net/hphotos-frc3/1384130_10151723458497199_830163908_n.jpg |
| 21:20.14 | harleypig_ | Just posted that on fb, thanks migs |
| 21:23.28 | Migs | no prob |
| 21:23.35 | Jayce^ | quite awesome |
| 21:23.43 | Migs | finding pointless links and pics is what I do |
| 21:24.18 | harleypig | yeah, finding links and pics that require mindbleach is what I do |
| 21:24.31 | Migs | just as long as you share them with the channel... |
| 21:24.43 | Migs | we could all use a good mindbleach now and then anyway |
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| 21:30.36 | harleypig | http://mindbleach.org/ Like this? |
| 21:32.57 | RyanE | I don't think the Gov't has read "Mythical Man Month": http://www.theverge.com/2013/10/24/5024820/healthcare-gov-obama-tech-surge |
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| 22:02.15 | levi | Well, I expect 'tech surge' is just political nonsense for "we're working on it" |
| 22:03.03 | levi | There's naivete all around in the stuff you hear about healthcare.gov lately. |
| 22:04.57 | ElForesto | I'd honestly be surprised if it's up and running in under six more months. I know exactly how these large projects go. |
| 22:05.31 | levi | Well, it's up and running now. Just very poorly. |
| 22:07.30 | levi | And I agree it's probably going to take a long time to get to where it's operating smoothly. |
| 22:10.06 | levi | I think most of the people spouting off that they could completely rewrite it in a couple of months have no idea of what it's supposed to do. |
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| 22:11.32 | Jayce^ | I think it's built by people who would have spouted off exactly like that.. |
| 22:12.13 | levi | Nah, I doubt it. People who spout off like that don't tend to work for government contracting firms. |
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| 22:16.38 | levi | There are a whole bunch of separate back-end systems involved that were all developed separately by different companies. And even *if* you have good specifications to work from, which is not incredibly likely, the chance of integration problems when bringing those systems together is huge. |
| 22:18.38 | jxqz | noway |
| 22:18.59 | jxqz | you could rewrite the whole thing in 25 lines of ROR |
| 22:19.00 | levi | I've been involved in IEEE standards work for the past 5-6 years, and it's remarkable to see the work involved in getting good standards specifications and how there's still a lot of leeway to create incompatible implementations. |
| 22:19.27 | jxqz | heh, standards without good faith are delusional |
| 22:19.39 | levi | I think their first step should be to replace their 'sorry' page with the good 'ol fail whale. |
| 22:19.55 | jxqz | unless you're on Wittgenstein-level terms with logic |
| 22:19.55 | levi | jxqz: Oh, these standards I've been working on have absolutely been in good faith. |
| 22:20.26 | jxqz | levi: I mean, are implementations incompatible even on good faith? |
| 22:20.31 | levi | Yes. |
| 22:20.34 | jxqz | hm |
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| 22:21.44 | levi | We have these add-on meetings to the normal IEEE ones that we call 'plugfests' where everyone brings their devices and a couple of engineers and they all sign NDAs and then go in a room and find all the incompatibilities between devices. |
| 22:21.59 | jxqz | maybe it's like making a Rachmanninov symphony come together |
| 22:23.09 | levi | Probably something like that. |
| 22:23.44 | levi | Except there's no conductor; it's all collaborative. |
| 22:23.51 | jxqz | (levi is annoyed by jxqz's incessant obtuse references) |
| 22:24.18 | jxqz | a good part of orchestra psychology is collaborative |
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| 22:30.22 | Migs | http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/worldnews/asia/northkorea/10272953/Kim-Jong-uns-ex-lover-executed-by-firing-squad.html |
| 22:32.06 | levi | Pro tip: If you value your life, don't date a dictator. |
| 22:33.37 | Migs | he wasn't a dictator yet |
| 22:33.53 | manithree | Don't date a dictator's son |
| 22:34.05 | Migs | Don't date. |
| 22:35.39 | romanovic | ever read the accounts from the Japanese sushi chef that worked for Kim Jong Il? He has some crazy stories about the family |
| 22:36.13 | romanovic | http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kenji_Fujimoto |
| 22:37.02 | romanovic | http://www.gq.com/news-politics/newsmakers/201306/kim-jong-il-sushi-chef-kenji-fujimoto-adam-johnson-2013 |
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| 22:53.18 | levi | Migs: As sound as that advice may be, most instances of dating don't lead to untimely death. |
| 22:55.16 | youtah | and loneliness can lead to just as much pain as relationships |
| 23:01.53 | youtah | PICTURE TIME! |
| 23:02.04 | youtah | My salt car https://twitter.com/youtah/status/393052158309851136 |
| 23:02.13 | youtah | Salt Flats https://twitter.com/youtah/status/393047150516387841 |
| 23:02.30 | youtah | Devils Garden (not in Arches NP) https://twitter.com/youtah/status/392887157448130560 |
| 23:02.46 | youtah | Peek-a-boo Slot Canyon https://twitter.com/youtah/status/392878419462995969 |
| 23:02.56 | youtah | Bobsledding https://twitter.com/youtah/status/392680743425409024 |
| 23:03.05 | jnbek | :) |
| 23:03.10 | youtah | That's all |
| 23:06.24 | jxqz | folks |
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| 23:26.44 | Migs | levi: Name one. |
| 23:27.03 | Migs | Every single person on this planet has died after dating. |
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| 23:28.47 | youtah | I doubt that is true |
| 23:28.53 | youtah | I highly doubt that is true |
| 23:29.07 | youtah | there are many people, I am sure, over the course of history that never "dated" |
| 23:29.10 | youtah | ;-) |
| 23:29.14 | youtah | stirs the pot |
| 23:29.29 | youtah | some were forced into marriage at an early age |
| 23:29.53 | youtah | died before they even got the chance |
| 23:29.54 | youtah | etc |
| 23:29.56 | fungus | unless you count the birthing process as dating (which would be nuts), there are many children that die before dating. |
| 23:31.10 | Migs | Obviously my statement doesn't apply to those who haven't dated. |
| 23:31.18 | fungus | lol |
| 23:31.29 | Migs | But it's a statistical fact that everyone who dates ends up dead. |
| 23:32.07 | Migs | Are you really going to argue with the FACTS? |
| 23:32.09 | fungus | Ok, that is true |
| 23:32.32 | youtah | Okay... with that addendum I will sign off... |
| 23:32.56 | jxqz | ~napoleon |
| 23:32.56 | infobot | Sweet! That's like a dollar an hour! |
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