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| 14:10.09 | Migs | http://www.reuters.com/article/2013/10/18/usa-newyork-fetus-idUSL1N0I72OE20131018 |
| 14:10.21 | Migs | NEW YORK - Security guards who stopped two 17-year-old girls suspected of shoplifting at a Victoria's Secret on Thursday found a human fetus inside a bag one of them was carrying, New York City police said. |
| 14:10.21 | Migs | wat |
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| 15:39.10 | keldwud | wasuuuuup |
| 15:39.45 | keldwud | anybody from mozy hang out here? |
| 15:40.02 | Jayce^ | goozbach: http://imgur.com/gallery/pYpq3PN |
| 15:41.25 | keldwud | lol. that took me a minute to get |
| 15:41.31 | keldwud | I had to read the title before I understood it :) |
| 15:42.02 | keldwud | hey who were the bluehost ppl. |
| 15:42.05 | keldwud | was that you Jayce^? |
| 15:42.10 | keldwud | or somebody else |
| 15:42.15 | neybar_work | few of us. |
| 15:42.27 | keldwud | interviewing a bluehost guy today |
| 15:42.32 | keldwud | wanted to do some snooping :) |
| 15:42.35 | neybar_work | lol |
| 15:42.38 | keldwud | he was there 09-10 |
| 15:42.43 | neybar_work | good luck. what position? |
| 15:42.48 | keldwud | so a few years ago |
| 15:42.52 | keldwud | for my sr admin |
| 15:43.29 | neybar_work | ah.. *you* are doing the interview, not interview here. |
| 15:43.35 | keldwud | haha no |
| 15:43.40 | keldwud | I can't work there, unfortunately :( |
| 15:43.45 | keldwud | HR didn't like my misdemeanor |
| 15:43.52 | neybar_work | eh? |
| 15:44.06 | keldwud | I would have been hired otherwise |
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| 15:44.31 | keldwud | but I'm glad I'm still where I'm at |
| 15:44.37 | keldwud | they finally gave me a raise |
| 15:48.18 | youtah | nachos |
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| 15:48.41 | fozzmoo | NACHOS! |
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| 15:53.47 | goozbach | TIL that 'The Stanley Parable' has been redone/finished |
| 15:54.33 | goozbach | glad I've got $20 to spend right now! |
| 15:54.40 | goozbach | now to find time to play it |
| 16:09.51 | ElForesto | Nobody has the time to play all of the games they've accumulated in their Steam library. That's just madness. |
| 16:11.51 | jgoodman1990 | just happened to "accidently" pull up steam after it was mentioned and found this game... |
| 16:11.51 | jgoodman1990 | http://store.steampowered.com/app/232810/ |
| 16:12.18 | fozzmoo | youtah: turntable? |
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| 16:12.37 | goozbach | you must all purchace and play it |
| 16:12.46 | goozbach | and tell me how awesome your mind melts |
| 16:12.53 | youtah | you bet |
| 16:13.00 | goozbach | I played the mod about 4yrs ago |
| 16:13.04 | goozbach | it's full size now! |
| 16:13.07 | goozbach | soo excited |
| 16:13.09 | Migs | sounds like Black and White |
| 16:13.15 | jgoodman1990 | was that from another game? |
| 16:13.21 | goozbach | wait? Windows only?! drat! |
| 16:13.30 | jgoodman1990 | it looks cool, I wanna play it |
| 16:13.38 | goozbach | guess my three year non-windows-booting record will go down in flames... |
| 16:13.53 | goozbach | hopes his windows partition survived the installation of freepbx.... |
| 16:14.16 | fozzmoo | can't remember when he last booted into winbloze |
| 16:14.44 | Migs | me too, jgoodman1990 |
| 16:16.42 | goozbach | jgoodman1990: that game looks fun |
| 16:17.01 | goozbach | http://www.stanleyparable.com/ |
| 16:19.21 | Migs | what a complete waste of land http://i.imgur.com/WAARlxP.jpg |
| 16:21.24 | jgoodman1990 | reminds me of crop circles |
| 16:23.18 | fozzmoo | I wonder where that is. It's an intriguing development design. |
| 16:38.41 | manithree | http://www.ebay.com/itm/Custom-Built-Motorcycles-Other-ELECTRIC-HARLEY-V-ROD-2002-CUSTOM-MOTORCYCLE-CHOPPER-BATPOD-w-FREE-/181237084808?forcerrptr=true&hash=item2a32927288&item=181237084808&pt=US_motorcycles |
| 16:40.32 | romanovic | fozzmoo: Denmark, apparently http://onebigphoto.com/unique-urban-planning-in-denmark/ |
| 16:51.42 | fozzmoo | huh. |
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| 16:56.48 | keldwud | ElForesto: you're right. I've probably 200+ games maybe 300 if you put together steam, desura, xbox, and gog.com |
| 16:57.19 | keldwud | and then about 30 or so not attached to a service |
| 16:57.25 | keldwud | I wish I could play them all :( |
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| 17:00.16 | jxqz | keldwud: don't forget tuxracer! |
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| 17:02.11 | keldwud | haha. I have the tux games on my edubuntu thumbdrive for my daughter |
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| 17:14.14 | keldwud | heh. co-worker just walked by while the cover of I care because you do was on one of my screens. she was frightened :) |
| 17:14.27 | keldwud | richard d james has the creepiest acid grin |
| 17:17.03 | levi | He can be a pretty frightening-looking guy. |
| 17:21.55 | levi | Creepy videos, too. |
| 17:21.57 | keldwud | especially for somebody who has never seen him before |
| 17:22.00 | keldwud | oh god yes |
| 17:22.06 | keldwud | love the videos |
| 17:22.08 | keldwud | what was the director's name? |
| 17:22.11 | keldwud | lov ehim |
| 17:24.54 | levi | Chris Cunningham? |
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| 17:32.13 | keldwud | yeah that's it |
| 17:32.24 | keldwud | hey youtah, did you get my tweet? |
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| 18:37.54 | unum | http://www.itworld.com/slideshow/124383/arg-9-hardest-things-programmers-have-do-378834 |
| 18:38.04 | unum | that's going to be a facebook post |
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| 18:53.11 | youtah | keldwud, yeah I did, lol |
| 18:53.24 | keldwud | :) |
| 18:54.09 | keldwud | damnit. I did a sudo apt-get purge openjdk-\* icedtea-\* icedtea6\* |
| 18:54.16 | keldwud | then installed icedtea-plugin |
| 18:54.26 | youtah | That is excellent unum |
| 18:54.28 | keldwud | and I still don't have working java in my browser after restarting my browser :( |
| 18:54.33 | youtah | and I agree with every one of them |
| 18:54.44 | youtah | What are you running keldwud ? |
| 18:54.52 | keldwud | buntu |
| 18:54.52 | youtah | if you're running on Ubuntu.... you're scrwed |
| 18:54.58 | keldwud | lol shutup |
| 18:55.04 | keldwud | I'm not screwed |
| 18:55.06 | keldwud | I had it working before |
| 18:55.19 | keldwud | then I had to try and break it to work with an outdated tool that didn't work with newer forms of java |
| 18:55.20 | youtah | icedtea and the Open Java crap never plays along |
| 18:55.32 | youtah | takes hours of twerking.... errrr, tweaking.... to get it working again |
| 18:55.33 | keldwud | icedtea was working great for me |
| 18:55.42 | youtah | yeah, until you update or sneeze |
| 18:55.50 | youtah | I am in the same boat you are right now |
| 18:55.50 | keldwud | I did sudo apt-get install icedtea-plugin |
| 18:55.52 | keldwud | and it worked |
| 18:55.54 | keldwud | orly |
| 18:56.24 | keldwud | oh I forgot to delete my oracle java too |
| 18:56.25 | keldwud | lol |
| 18:57.55 | keldwud | gah |
| 18:57.59 | keldwud | maybe I'll just format reinstall |
| 18:58.02 | keldwud | that would be so much easier |
| 18:58.06 | keldwud | and quicker |
| 18:58.09 | keldwud | for reals |
| 18:58.19 | keldwud | I just want to work on one of my switches! :( |
| 19:01.11 | jlp_znc | good post, unum. I especially like number 2: Explaining what I do (or don't do) |
| 19:02.42 | jlp_znc | keldwud: I've found that oracle java 7 is your best bet for running crap like that. webupd8team has a good ppa for java. what version of ubuntu are you running? |
| 19:02.58 | keldwud | 13.10 |
| 19:03.29 | jlp_znc | http://www.webupd8.org/p/ubuntu-ppas-by-webupd8.html |
| 19:03.45 | jlp_znc | http://www.webupd8.org/2012/01/install-oracle-java-jdk-7-in-ubuntu-via.html |
| 19:03.46 | keldwud | tx |
| 19:03.59 | jlp_znc | it works for me... your mileage may vary. |
| 19:08.50 | fungus | keldwud, best solution, buy new switches that don't use stupid lame ass java apps to manage. |
| 19:09.02 | keldwud | heh |
| 19:09.14 | jlp_znc | best == most expensive? |
| 19:09.28 | fungus | in this case, probably. :) |
| 19:09.32 | keldwud | I don't think I'm going to win that argument. "hey boss, let's spend more than $100 on our switches. this isn't working out" |
| 19:09.38 | jlp_znc | although I basically agree... what brand of switches are these, anyway (so I know what to avoid) |
| 19:09.48 | keldwud | nortel |
| 19:09.53 | keldwud | I can do it from CLI too |
| 19:09.56 | keldwud | I was just being lazy |
| 19:09.59 | keldwud | there are three interfaces |
| 19:10.01 | jlp_znc | at least they don't require a custom windows app to set them up :-/ |
| 19:10.15 | keldwud | CLI, web interface, and a "Device Manager" program |
| 19:10.17 | jlp_znc | because, you know, everyone has windows |
| 19:10.23 | keldwud | yeah they have a custom windows app |
| 19:10.30 | fungus | Screwing around with a java app, sounds much harder than learning a new CLI interface. |
| 19:10.36 | keldwud | I use all three of the interfaces |
| 19:11.02 | keldwud | the CLI interface is just a dumbed down Cisco ios |
| 19:11.32 | fungus | that's fine, it means it's easy to pick up on then. right? |
| 19:12.03 | fungus | ;) |
| 19:17.25 | unum | the hardest thing for me is data structure design |
| 19:17.38 | unum | and then probably interface design |
| 19:17.59 | unum | I always feel like their are trade offs and that I probably didn't pick the right ones |
| 19:19.22 | jlp_znc | the hardest thing for me is interacting with the people. you go to the customer and say "tell me what you want". they give you some hand wavy thing and tell you to just make something that does that. you do, and they say "no, that's not quite what we want... try again" without telling you anything specific about what they like or don't like. |
| 19:19.48 | jlp_znc | you have to learn to coax out the things they want and how they want things to look/act. |
| 19:20.27 | unum | I'll usually do some prototyping on new major projects |
| 19:21.41 | unum | but even then that's mostly just the main interface |
| 19:22.49 | unum | I do get better feedback :) |
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| 21:29.12 | harleypig_ | On a rpm based system, is there a way I can make a system install packages based on the current repo file setup, even if packages have to be downgraded? |
| 21:29.53 | goozbach | harleypig_: versionlock |
| 21:30.42 | harleypig_ | I'm sorry ... I was unclear. I've changed my repo file setup and I'm pretty sure some packages were installed from a repo I didn't want. |
| 21:31.02 | harleypig_ | I want to force the installation to match what would be installed as if that repo had never been configured. |
| 21:31.04 | goozbach | ahh, then you'll have to do a yum shell |
| 21:31.07 | goozbach | yum shell |
| 21:31.12 | goozbach | then |
| 21:31.18 | goozbach | > remove foo bar baz |
| 21:31.22 | goozbach | install foo bar baz |
| 21:31.25 | goozbach | run |
| 21:31.51 | harleypig_ | So I have to figure out what packages were installed from that repository |
| 21:32.59 | goozbach | yeah |
| 21:33.04 | goozbach | yum info has that |
| 21:33.11 | goozbach | or rpmquery may have that info |
| 21:34.10 | youtah | http://i.imgur.com/GFwv4WM.jpg |
| 21:34.51 | unum | lol |
| 21:38.47 | youtah | I dont feel good |
| 21:38.52 | youtah | I think I have drank way too much soda |
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| 21:58.49 | harleypig_ | goozbach: rpm -qa --qf '%{VENDOR} %{NAME}\n' | grep reponame |
| 22:06.25 | harleypig_ | gah ... I've created an rpm package for perl's File::Path module. But I'm getting the following when trying to install it: file /usr/share/man/man3/File::Path.3pm.gz from install of perl-File-Path-2.09-1.el5.verio.noarch conflicts with file from package perl-5.8.8-40.el5_9.x86_64 |
| 22:06.50 | harleypig_ | I know about rpm's --replacefile option, but I'd rather avoid that. |
| 22:07.20 | harleypig_ | Is there a way I can state in the rpm spec that, yes I know this is overwriting the other packages file and I accept responsibility for it? |
| 22:12.50 | jima | no, rpm/yum won't allow it |
| 22:13.28 | jima | if you're rolling the package, remove the file in %install and remove it from the %files section |
| 22:13.59 | jima | "remove the file in %install" is clumsy, whoops -- at the end of the %install stanza, rm it |
| 22:14.02 | harleypig_ | Yeah, that's a last resort since the module is a newer version than is what is installed and the documentation won't match up. |
| 22:14.11 | jima | ewww. dang. |
| 22:14.20 | jima | rename it? |
| 22:14.30 | jima | (same approximate methodology) |
| 22:14.39 | harleypig_ | This is a cpan module. |
| 22:14.44 | harleypig_ | File::Path |
| 22:14.58 | harleypig_ | If I rename it, the code depending on it won't work. |
| 22:15.03 | jima | yes...but you rolled it into an rpm via cpanspec or similar, right? |
| 22:15.14 | harleypig_ | right |
| 22:15.35 | harleypig_ | so, rename what? the man file? |
| 22:15.37 | jima | err, i meant rename the manpage file, not the module/package |
| 22:15.47 | jima | yeah, that wouldn't make sense, sorry for the ambiguity |
| 22:16.02 | harleypig_ | yeah, but renaming the man file would still put the documenation out of whack. |
| 22:16.18 | jima | gonna have to pick your poison, yep |
| 22:16.29 | harleypig_ | who's going to know (or remember--I'll forget by next week) that they need to type perldoc File::Path_custom |
| 22:16.37 | jima | either breaking the package database a little with the conflict, or having the documentation a little whacked out |
| 22:17.04 | harleypig_ | yeah, or i s uppose I could just go with --replacefile |
| 22:17.34 | jima | the downside being that if/when perl gets updated, it'll a) re-replace the man page or b) break |
| 22:18.33 | harleypig_ | That's fine. If/when that happens I'll know immediately because the main app I'm doing this for will break immediately. |
| 22:18.55 | jima | ok :-) |
| 22:19.50 | harleypig_ | :] I was just hoping for a cleaner way, but I can deal with breakage in this situation since production is frozen to whatever setup I create. |
| 22:21.39 | jima | the only truly clean solution, as i see it, would be to re-roll the perl package with File::Path either removed or updated to your copy. |
| 22:21.53 | jima | well, and even that has its downside |
| 22:22.07 | harleypig_ | yeah, have you ever tried to make a perl rpm package? |
| 22:22.09 | harleypig_ | shudders |
| 22:22.13 | jima | (updated perl package blah blah blah, extra software maintenance, etc) |
| 22:22.30 | jima | uhm...i guess you don't realize i used to be a fedora packager? |
| 22:23.32 | fugue88 | jima: Condolences. |
| 22:23.34 | fugue88 | ;P |
| 22:23.52 | jima | i'd still do it if i had the damned TIME |
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| 22:25.00 | fugue88 | So, let's say harleypig_ rolls his own perl package. And then an update to perl hits the repos. If his system ever tried to install that updated, non-harleypig_-ized version, *it* would block on the file conflict, right? |
| 22:27.31 | harleypig_ | interesting question, but I'm not going to roll my own perl rpm |
| 22:27.40 | fugue88 | Ah, come on, do it! |
| 22:27.44 | Tene | harleypig_: the "right" option there is to build an updated perl rpm |
| 22:28.04 | harleypig_ | jima: I didn't know you did packaging. I'm beginning to hate it with a passion. |
| 22:28.16 | harleypig_ | Tene: yeah, the right option generally requires time |
| 22:28.52 | Tene | harleypig_: depending on what you need the updated package for, it might be easier to just use a local perl installation, with perlbrew |
| 22:28.57 | jima | i may have compiled just about every package in redhat/fedora (and for sparc) |
| 22:29.32 | Tene | That's the cleanest way to just ignore the system perl, given you're not putting in the time to build your own perl packages. |
| 22:30.00 | harleypig_ | Tene: easier in the long run, but I've already spent all the time I have allocated on this little hoorah and it's working for now. |
| 22:30.15 | Tene | 'k |
| 22:33.05 | fugue88 | harleypig_: fwiw, I have almost 100 ebuilds overriding the ones in the standard portage tree (Gentoo). They're all in version control. When an update is published in portage, I use `bzr log <old-ebuild>` to find which revision patched the old one, then `bzr di <old-ebuild> |patch <new-ebuild>` to patch the new one. |
| 22:33.33 | fugue88 | I patch the new one only after copying it and committing it, so it's patch history is in version control as well. |
| 22:34.06 | fugue88 | It turns out to be pretty easy to manage, but I don't know how different srpms/spec files would be. |
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| 22:35.21 | harleypig_ | spec files are easy, they're just text documents, but required sources can be a pain to manage |
| 22:40.49 | fugue88 | New topic: I occassionally do some Windows maintenance-y stuff remotely. I've been using tightvnc on the Windows machines for this. However, it won't display or allow me to interact with security dialogs. Is there some other remote system that does, and works with linux on my side? |
| 22:41.46 | Tene | fugue88: an IP KVM would do what you want, but is rather less convenient to arrange. |
| 22:42.16 | fugue88 | Hmm, quite a bit less. It's usually random people (family, friends) calling for help. |
| 22:42.39 | fugue88 | I'll keep that in mind, though. |
| 22:43.45 | fugue88 | just learned those dialogs are called "UAC" |
| 22:44.04 | fugue88 | may have just found some helpful info at http://www.uvnc.com/vista/ |
| 22:50.53 | jima | fugue88: have you thought about using RDP? there are open source clients. |
| 22:51.12 | jima | oh wait, rdp requires professional. never mind. |
| 22:51.18 | jima | is so spoiled at work |
| 22:51.20 | fugue88 | :'( |
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| 22:54.37 | Tene | spoiled by running windows? |
| 22:54.41 | Tene | You have low standards. |
| 22:56.05 | jima | spoiled by having actual resources. i worked for a windows desktop/linux server shop for 11 years...they would do anything to avoid paying for software, particularly burning tons of IT time reproducing functionality available in commercial software. :-\ |
| 22:57.24 | Tene | o_o |
| 22:57.47 | fungus | Heh, my jobs going in the opposite direction. Either extreme is too much. |
| 22:58.12 | jima | i'm not a fan of either extreme. both OSS and commercial software have something to bring to the table. |
| 22:58.39 | fungus | I am moving away from Nagios because it doesn't cost enough. |
| 22:58.44 | jima | i deal with both with my current employer, fortunately. |
| 22:59.12 | jxqz | oss is like vegetables and fruit and grains: you have to make it, but it's healthier |
| 22:59.19 | jxqz | proprietary is like frozen dinners |
| 22:59.25 | jxqz | with lots of salt |
| 22:59.27 | jima | fungus: global monitoring is on the agenda for next year, so i unfortunately know the landscape of which you speak. |
| 23:00.00 | jima | jxqz: yes, but sometimes it would take a lot of effort to make what someone's offering :-\ |
| 23:00.02 | fungus | If it doesn't cost a ton of money it can't be good. :( |
| 23:00.16 | jxqz | fungus: haha |
| 23:00.33 | jima | my CIO understands that's not exactly true, but his standards are pretty high for quality |
| 23:01.44 | fungus | My ex-boss had a pretty good understanding of where the middle ground was. But now it's all different. Hell bound towards windows crap. |
| 23:02.18 | jima | my boss understands the balance as well |
| 23:02.30 | jima | he doesn't know linux/etc all that well, but he knows i do. |
| 23:03.29 | jima | i don't want to work where OSS is a swear word, but i don't want to work where paying for software is a sin, either. |
| 23:03.49 | jima | (...or hardware :-| ) |
| 23:04.10 | fungus | We have paid for OSS software quite a few times in the past. Worked out pretty well fairly often. |
| 23:04.41 | fungus | But we do still use Oracle Database, and IBM Tivoli Storage Manager, etc. because they fit better. |
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