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15:07.43bbeattieAnyone know of some good companies to work for that are hiring senior software engineers, between SLC and provo?  
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15:09.26Migshttps://lh5.googleusercontent.com/-JuiGwODjUHY/Ul6p_oEf3jI/AAAAAAAAT7Y/GWbY6s75efg/w450-h452-no/13+-+1
15:09.35Migshttps://fbcdn-sphotos-g-a.akamaihd.net/hphotos-ak-ash3/1402873_230663140429729_1015132368_o.jpg
15:09.50Migsbbeattie: Check dice.com
15:10.12MigsThe SLC-Provo area is excellent for any kind of tech jobs
15:14.02T4rku5I'm currently looking for a job in Utah in InfoSec, and I'm having to look elsewhere
15:14.08T4rku5I'm a Security Engineer
15:15.32MigsI don't know why. The SLC area has consistently had one of the strongest job markets for the past several years.
15:15.38Migsparticularly because of the tech sector
15:16.20HumanCellUVU has some good contacts in IT/Security Forensics ... there are a few companies in that space here in Utah Valley.
15:21.07jsmithbbeattie: Bluehost is almost always hiring :-)
15:21.14kalcy2lol bluehost
15:21.29kalcy2I worked there
15:21.36fozzmooWhen I search for jobs along the Wasatch Front, I see a lot of .Net  programming and Windows Server admin jobs.
15:21.47fozzmoo'm not sure if this is because there's a high demand for those types  of people or if there simply aren't many people who want to do that  kind of work.
15:21.58kalcy2I think its because not a lot of people want to do it
15:23.19kalcy2jsmith: do you work at bluehost?
15:23.45jsmithkalcy2: I do... and I have one of the best jobs at the company :-)
15:23.55fozzmooraises hand
15:24.06kalcy2ah, than I think I know who you are
15:24.38fozzmooI am the Bluehost Chief Instigator.
15:26.29kalcy2haha
15:27.06kalcy2yeah, I was a Level 3
15:28.25jsmithkalcy2: You think you know who I am, simply based on that vague description?  Wow....
15:28.29fozzmookalcy2: What happened? Did you just move on?
15:28.45kalcy2I see your first initial and last name
15:29.12kalcy2to respect your privacy I wont say your name but im somewhat confident you're a L2
15:29.26fozzmooblinks
15:30.29kalcy2fozzmoo: in my opinion its been taking a turn I dont like over the past few years after the company got bought.
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15:32.12jsmithkalcy2: Nope, I'm not an L2 -- never have worked the floor.  
15:32.19fozzmookalcy2: Unless there have some big changes I'm not aware of, jsmith isn't a L2.
15:32.33jsmithfozzmoo: Yeah, that would come as a surprise to me too :-p
15:34.13kalcy2ah, okay, working with the open source outreach and community building?
15:35.00kalcy2ah, I just know someone else that was a l2 with the name jsmith
15:35.13kalcy2anyway, thought it would be fun to guess :)
15:35.15jsmithkalcy2: I'm sneaky like that :-)
15:36.55kalcy2sneaky sneaky
15:41.36kalcy2bluehost, however, is a fantastic place to get hired and be exposed to tons and tons of information about linux.
15:42.01Migsmore than you ever wanted to know
15:42.26kalcy2more than most can handle thats for sure
15:42.39fozzmooI've been impressed with all the Linux workstations everywhere.
15:42.47kalcy2at Bh?
15:42.55fozzmooyes.
15:43.04fozzmooon the support and billing floors.
15:43.14kalcy2hooray ldap
15:43.36fozzmookalcy2: What do you do now?
15:43.45kalcy2im a linux admin for a company up in SLC
15:43.55fozzmoocool.
15:44.17kalcy2yeah, I just couldn't convince them to make me an admin there ;)
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16:01.45leviYo.
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16:14.19youtahYo
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16:21.13fozzmooyoutah: yo
16:23.35kalcy2heyo
16:23.38kalcy2lol
16:25.25fozzmoolevi: YO!
16:29.54youtahHo!
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16:38.38neybar_workyo
16:38.49youtahYO!!!!
16:40.39Jayce^great, you mentioned yo-yo's around neybar_work....
16:40.46youtahLOL
16:40.53youtahlevi, started it
16:41.13neybar_workwhat?
16:41.13fozzmoooy
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16:58.08SunSparcDoes Xmission provide public DNS resolution? (Similar to OpenDNS or Google Public DNS)
17:00.17fungusSunSparc, yes
17:02.10SunSparcfungus: Are they the same as the Authoritative DNS?  http://wiki.xmission.com/Name_Servers
17:04.51fungusNo, Client DNS service
17:05.06SunSparcYeah, that is what I figured.
17:05.18SunSparcThey do not seem to list their public DNS anywhere.
17:05.39fungusIt's right there on that page
17:05.43fungusClient DNS Service
17:06.24SunSparcOh, duh. I looked over that because it started with 198.  :)
17:06.40SunSparcThanks
17:06.44funguslol.  198 is public.  192.168 is not
17:07.02SunSparcYeah, still threw me.
17:07.06SunSparc:D
17:09.14fungusI'm pretty sure XMisison intends their use for actual XMission customers, but it's open to the world.  Aren't they nice?
17:12.24Migs"Republican and Democratic leaders of the US Senate have struck a cross-party deal to end a partial government shutdown and raise the US debt limit."
17:12.30Migshttp://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-middle-east-24557469
17:12.57jsmithMigs: Yay.  They kicked the can down the road.  Again.  Haven't solved any real problems.  Again.  Where's the news in that?
17:13.16SunSparcYep, Xmission is nice indeed.
17:13.53jsmithMigs: That's like my wife and I saying "Well, we spent too much money last month, but since we can't agree on a budget, let's just agree to spend slightly more next month"
17:14.37Migshahaha
17:14.52jsmithI seriously think it's time to kick all the politicians out
17:15.03jsmith"You had a hand in this -- you're out!"
17:15.29SunSparcAnd the massive vampire beast continues to grow and glut itself on the apathy of ignorant citizenry of America.  Muwahahahahaha!!!
17:15.35jsmithStop tiptoeing around the issues and make some hard decisions
17:15.40jsmithSay "No" every once in a while
17:15.45jsmithGrow some anatomy...
17:15.52jsmithsighs and goes back to work
17:15.58Migsjsmith: Everyone keeps saying that
17:16.03SunSparc"No" should be the default.
17:16.04Migswhy hasn't it happened?
17:16.07fozzmooThere's a story on Drudge where some people were interviewed on the street about whether they thought the shutdown was President Obama's responsibility or if the blame lay at former president G.W. Bush.
17:16.11Migsoh, because they'd have to VOTE themselves out?
17:16.14Migsnice system we have here
17:16.27fozzmooLots of people blame Bush.
17:16.31fozzmoo(for the shutdown.)
17:16.46Migshahahahaha
17:17.04jsmithfozzmoo: I hate to admit it, but he's not totally blameless in it -- it was his spending spree that got Congress used to this level of spending
17:17.10Migsthey probably thought that was the intelligent response. "Well, these things were all set in motion years ago...blah blah...."
17:17.16SunSparcMigs: It is because the majority of the people have no idea what is going on or do not care and so the minorities that do care and know what is going on are running the government.
17:17.17jsmithreally shouldn't argue politics today
17:17.24fozzmooI blame everyone in congress. They've had not days or weeks or months, but YEARS to figure out a budget to put us on a sustainable path.
17:17.33SunSparc~argue jsmith
17:17.33infobotjsmith: shut your festering gob, you tit! your type really makes me puke.
17:17.44jsmithfozzmoo: That's why I say we kick all the bums out :-)
17:17.50Migsmeh
17:17.54Migswhat are you going to do?
17:17.54fozzmooYep.
17:18.05fozzmooI'm buyin me a nice torch this afternoon. ;-)
17:18.18Migsthe founding fathers didn't plan for this. They figured, not unreasonably, that our politicians would be the ones in charge of fixing things, not that they would need the fixing
17:18.20jsmithsharpens his pitchfork
17:19.07fozzmooIt woudl seem the only prerequisite for being a politician today is an ability to kick a can.
17:19.17SunSparcMigs: Well, the politicians are (or should be) beholden to the people, but the people have given them carte blanche.
17:19.42fozzmooSunSparc: Yes, the people, by and large, are oblivious, politically.
17:19.43Migspeople have forgotten the meaning of "public servant"
17:20.02Migsfozzmoo: I'm not sure that's really a bad thing
17:20.04SunSparcThey have also forgotten the cost of freedom.
17:20.14Migspeople are consumed with trying to make ends meet and raising their families
17:20.39Migsthey shouldn't HAVE to care about political squabbles, because their elected representatives SHOULD be the ones making things okay for everyone
17:21.46SunSparcMigs: I partially agree with that statement. Have you ever read "Common Sense" by Thomas Payne?
17:21.53fozzmooMigs: Sure, but when it comes to elections, a more informed electorate woudln't re-elect Orrin Hatch again and again.
17:22.05fozzmoo(I would hope.)
17:22.38SunSparcElecting politicians does not, or should not, relinquish our own responsibilities.
17:22.44MigsI haven't read anything since college
17:22.53SunSparcI highly suggest it.
17:22.57Migsno thanks
17:23.00MigsI only read technical manuals now
17:23.14SunSparcConsider it a technical manual on politics.
17:23.25SunSparcIt is actually just a pamphlet.
17:23.52MigsNo.
17:23.59SunSparc48 pages of pure intelligent discussion.
17:24.14MigsI get 8 hours of enough pure intelligent discussion just by being in #utah
17:24.22SunSparclol
17:24.30SunSparc~discuss Migs
17:25.25Migsyou might as well consider me one of those politically oblivious members of the general populace, because I really don't care that much tbh
17:26.07SunSparcThen you have doomed us all!!!
17:26.07Migsmy business is doing great, my family is doing well, I have excellent health coverage. If my premiums and taxes go up, I'll just start earning more money...I live in a nice, safe neighborhood...my kids go to a great school...
17:26.08SunSparc;)
17:26.47SunSparcYep, life is good here in #utah.
17:26.50Migsagreed
17:27.02MigsI don't know why people always tell us we live in a "bubble" like it's an insult
17:27.03SunSparcFor now
17:27.12Migsyeah, I'd much rather be out of a job and on food stamps
17:27.40Migsyeah, I'm not "culturally aware" unless I've personally lived in a Detroit ghetto
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17:30.51SunSparcA pretty weak and stereotypical attack.
17:31.31fozzmooGlenn Beck actually published "Common Sense" a couple years ago... includes Thomas Paine's version along with some contemporary commentary.
17:35.11SunSparcfozzmoo: That sounds familiar.
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17:35.29SunSparcIt is also available free on the webs.
17:37.12leviI saw an interesting article suggesting that things actually ran better when the political parties chose candidates based on the influence of party bosses and their patronage system instead of the more transparent and democratic system they operate on today.
17:37.41Migswell if we're going that route...things technically "run better" if we have a monarch
17:38.23leviI'm not saying I agree, it was just an interesting perspective.
17:39.13leviI'm also not sure that the more democratic process is inherently less corruptible, though.
17:39.40leviBad information can corrupt good-faith decisions of reasonable people.
17:41.14leviAnd regardless of your political stance, it's clear that there's a lot of bad information out there. The difficult part is determining which of two conflicting points of information is "right".
17:42.17leviSo instead of political machines operating behind the scenes in back rooms, they operate in public through massive information control campaigns.
17:44.50SunSparcThis is one reason the federal governement needs to be chopped into pieces and melted down. Most things should be handled by local governments. The federal should only be handling things that cannot reasonably be handled by the people themselves and the states.
17:46.49Migsum, that's already how it works
17:47.01SunSparclol, right
17:48.25manithreeI like George Will's explanation: Americans want government services, but they don't want to pay for it (and its corollary: If you could tax cognitive dissonance, you could balance the budget)
17:50.51leviI don't think people in general are completely opposed to paying for government services. They would just always prefer to pay less, and not for the services those *other* people get.
17:52.09levie.g.. "Keep your government hands off my Medicare!"
17:53.30romanovicMigs: yes, that's how it works, the federal gov't can't exceed its specifically enumerated powers!  ...but then came the "living constitution" crowd
17:54.21leviThat is, most of the guys who wrote it, once they got elected to office. :P
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18:40.29Migshttps://twitter.com/usmanm/status/388407160159211520
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19:07.28Migshttp://lh3.googleusercontent.com/-ZtXBeWmVesU/UlbyBRZjpkI/AAAAAAABHsU/i1s0bVHfK8U/
19:09.42ElForestoYou're a terrible human being.
19:10.19Migshttp://i.imgur.com/DrBMmdK.gif
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19:29.35funguswow, Migs is almost as bad as youtah
19:30.22MigsI'm getting there, yes
19:35.24jxqzhttp://link.to/stuff.gif
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19:50.10youtahWhat?!
19:50.11youtahWait
19:50.15youtahWhat did I didn't do?
19:50.58fozzmoogetting ready to spin in http://turntable.fm/utah
19:51.04Migsyoutah: You are a MENACE. Dat's what.
19:51.33youtahI think I ate too much
19:52.28youtah<Migs> https://twitter.com/usmanm/status/388407160159211520 << Well he's not wrong
19:52.32fozzmooI know I ate too much.
19:52.42Jayce^we all know you did..
19:52.48Jayce^it was that spoonful of pudding at the end
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19:53.14youtahFor me, it was the last potato covered with cheese and bacon that did me in
19:53.23youtahand then seven chocolate chip cookies
19:53.32youtahand the pasta dish
19:53.48youtahand the potato leek soup
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20:58.37HeartsbaneDERP
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21:04.25Jayce^http://imgur.com/gallery/bgj9JBa
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21:04.35fozzmoo~lart vantastic
21:04.35infobotexecutes killall -KILL vantastic
21:04.48fozzmooJayce^: I like that one.
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22:45.32HumanCellWashington announces Liquor Control Board rules for pot:  http://blog.seattlepi.com/marijuana/2013/10/16/its-official-liquor-control-board-adopts-washingtons-marijuana-rules/#14194-1
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