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| 03:58.52 | eightyeight | goozbach: you ased a bit ago what distros ship, that centos doesn't. |
| 03:59.02 | eightyeight | well, in this case, a sufficiently secure openssl |
| 03:59.14 | eightyeight | centos 6 ships 1.0.0, which only supports up to tls 1.0 |
| 03:59.28 | eightyeight | 1.0.1 gives up to tls 1.2, and closes the BEAST attack |
| 03:59.46 | eightyeight | this is critical, because pci scans will fail with 1.0.0 |
| 04:04.51 | eightyeight | and of course, mod_gnutls isn't available by default |
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| 13:27.41 | Q_Continuum | eightyeight: RHEL 6.5 beta release notes - OpenSSL updated to version 1.0.1 |
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| 15:14.00 | eightyeight | Q_Continuum: CentOS != RHEL :) |
| 15:14.59 | Q_Continuum | Ok fine you see if CentOS 6.5 gets OpenSSL 1.0.1 when it comes out ;-P |
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| 15:19.22 | eightyeight | Q_Continuum: exactly. so, as it stands, CentOS does not ship a modern version of OpenSSL |
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| 15:34.51 | Q_Continuum | Not currently, no. |
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| 16:47.06 | youtah | I justed typed ps -ef in a browser |
| 16:47.07 | youtah | it |
| 16:47.10 | youtah | it's going to be a long day |
| 16:47.19 | youtah | I was up late last night unpacking food storage boxes |
| 16:54.00 | undertakingyou | g'morning |
| 17:02.01 | youtah | Thx |
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| 18:00.55 | jxqz | ~youtah morning |
| 18:01.04 | jxqz | ~morning youtah |
| 18:01.05 | infobot | ACTION bends space and time, trapping youtah in a universe of eternal monday mornings |
| 18:01.09 | jxqz | heh |
| 18:02.09 | ldav15 | That sounds awfully apropos. |
| 18:05.20 | ldav15 | Perhaps better said as awful AND apropos. |
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| 18:07.31 | jxqz | ~apropos awful |
| 18:07.31 | infobot | awful: nothing appropriate |
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| 18:14.43 | rsimpkins | Does anyone out there have/use a google Chromebook? With the announcement of a new one, I'm interested... but only if it doesn't suck. |
| 18:17.24 | harleypig_ | Two of my children have one. One is the origin CR-48 (? is that number right?) and the other was whatever the samsung version was last spring. |
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| 18:33.18 | youtah | lol |
| 18:33.25 | rsimpkins | harleypig_: Do they support multiple devices? |
| 18:33.45 | rsimpkins | harleypig_: Er. multiple users. USERS != DEVICES <- mental note |
| 18:33.47 | youtah | just saw your entrapment jxqz |
| 18:33.59 | harleypig_ | Yep. |
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| 18:34.04 | harleypig_ | rerr .. rsimpkins: yep |
| 18:34.06 | rsimpkins | youtah: FYI, wife thought the chair was great, thank you! |
| 18:34.31 | rsimpkins | harleypig_: How does user management work? Is there an admin account or something? I'm thinking about this for the kiddos too, but I want some control. |
| 18:34.54 | youtah | np. glad it's going to work out, and glad to have it have the free space |
| 18:36.41 | youtah | did you get it out of the back of your car okay rsimpkins? |
| 18:36.59 | youtah | btw Jayce^ .... rsimpkins thinks my house might be wired more than yours ;-) |
| 18:37.08 | youtah | yells "It's a wireoff!" |
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| 18:42.37 | rsimpkins | youtah: Yeah, no sweat. I don't know anyone else that has RJ-45 in the laundry room. Jayce^, do you have RJ-45 in the laundry room? How about the garage? |
| 18:43.36 | rsimpkins | I don't know how to top what you've done without running cat-6 to every closet, bathroom, and maybe a few outside (just incase). |
| 18:43.37 | youtah | lol |
| 18:44.19 | youtah | There are 4 external ports (RJ45) facing outside in that box where the fiber ties in |
| 18:44.27 | rsimpkins | There you go. |
| 18:44.31 | goozbach | meh, if you've not run conduit to everywhere you're not hardcore |
| 18:44.49 | youtah | I have conduit that's been run, not everywhere though |
| 18:45.03 | youtah | THat's for my HDMI cables |
| 18:45.28 | youtah | I have enough Cat5e/Coax that I don't need no stinkin' conduit. ;-) |
| 18:46.18 | rsimpkins | I think I need to hire a commercial builder to put together my house. "make my house like a business office - with bedrooms." |
| 18:46.24 | fozzmoo | :-D |
| 18:46.29 | youtah | lol |
| 18:46.30 | rsimpkins | I want a conference room, the works. |
| 18:46.44 | goozbach | conference room... interesting |
| 18:46.45 | rsimpkins | Think about how awesome it would be to have a family board meeting. ;-) |
| 18:46.47 | youtah | Secretaries, everything |
| 18:46.49 | fozzmoo | I ran 13-15 lines of Cat5e up to my office (which is above the garage) after I bought the house. |
| 18:47.00 | goozbach | how does it not end up being the junk room? |
| 18:47.11 | youtah | the maids goozbach |
| 18:47.14 | rsimpkins | youtah: Yeah, you bet. Everyone I know who is successful has a secretary. Therefore.... :) |
| 18:47.15 | fozzmoo | heh |
| 18:47.25 | youtah | lol |
| 18:47.35 | youtah | Looking back on my life |
| 18:47.42 | youtah | I've only made one decision I regret |
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| 18:47.52 | fozzmoo | sits indian style for a story |
| 18:48.04 | youtah | I regret not having applied for the job posting as the Male house maid at a Sorority at the UofU. |
| 18:48.12 | fozzmoo | hee hee. |
| 18:48.20 | youtah | lol |
| 18:48.39 | rsimpkins | Like that Jerry Lewis movie? :) |
| 18:49.07 | youtah | no idea |
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| 18:49.15 | rsimpkins | youtah: http://www.tcm.com/this-month/article/159234%7C0/The-Ladies-Man.html |
| 18:49.15 | youtah | but hey paid $9 an hour |
| 18:49.21 | youtah | *they |
| 18:50.05 | youtah | Although, one might imagine what cleaning the showers would look like. Can you imagine unclogging the drains? |
| 18:50.45 | youtah | afk, back to the server room I go |
| 18:54.50 | fozzmoo | heh. |
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| 19:04.55 | harleypig | rsimpkins: you can create an admin level user and a ... normal? user. Tbh, I haven't played with that setup myself. But I know one of them has created accounts for siblings and restricted their access to some degree. |
| 19:07.10 | rsimpkins | harleypig: There is apparently a feature that allows you to control all these devices from one central web interface. |
| 19:07.17 | rsimpkins | harleypig: Just curious if you've explored that at all. |
| 19:07.38 | rsimpkins | So, a master group admin account. |
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| 19:29.27 | Jayce^ | rsimpkins: yes, multiple in the garage |
| 19:29.44 | Jayce^ | youtah: cat5? pfft... cat6 at my house :) |
| 19:32.17 | Q_Continuum | cat6? Cat7 is available... |
| 19:34.34 | Jayce^ | I didn't have what I needed for fiber when I was building or there would have been some |
| 19:35.11 | youtah | cat6 over cat5e was like 4X the cost |
| 19:38.12 | youtah | one of the major reasons Obama won, I would attribute to this: http://awsofa.info/ This was his AWS infrastructure that his campaign used. |
| 19:38.17 | youtah | I am just blown away |
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| 20:13.04 | Tene | Does anyone in here approve of the recent republican government shutdown and debt ceiling tactics, or can explain the mindset or world view from where they make sense? |
| 20:14.14 | youtah | s/republican/democrats/ |
| 20:14.21 | youtah | s/republican/obama/ |
| 20:14.27 | youtah | s/republican/everybody/ |
| 20:14.33 | youtah | you know, for accuracy |
| 20:15.28 | youtah | Like the bill that is sitting on Harry Reids desk right now, that the GOP house majority passed to fund NIH but he won't let the Senate vote on it? |
| 20:15.50 | youtah | or the bill to pay vets? |
| 20:16.12 | youtah | you know, the bills that Obama keeps threatening to Veto? |
| 20:16.33 | youtah | and they're clean too. None of them have anything to do with ACA |
| 20:16.36 | Tene | It's entirely possible that I'm underinformed here. :) |
| 20:17.41 | youtah | yeah, there are 8 bills sitting on his desk right now that the Senate can't vote on |
| 20:17.46 | youtah | and they're all clean CRs |
| 20:17.59 | youtah | afk.... |
| 20:18.03 | goozbach | http://rare.us/story/neal-boortz-on-the-gop-standing-up-for-the-constitution/ |
| 20:18.05 | goozbach | one take |
| 20:18.56 | harleypig | rsimpkins: sorry for the long times betweens replies, impromptu mtgs, hallway mtgs, scrum ... it's a wonder I get any work done at all ... |
| 20:18.57 | youtah | is getting ready for some serious code slining the next couple of weeks |
| 20:19.10 | youtah | slinging* |
| 20:19.11 | harleypig | The web interface requires the business plan |
| 20:19.40 | harleypig | but they've modified it to allow you to have 3, I think, chromebooks, which is workable for a family. |
| 20:19.49 | harleypig | I just haven't signed up for it yet. |
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| 20:22.33 | harleypig | I found the barebones information here: http://www.google.com/intl/en/chrome/business/devices/ |
| 20:22.40 | harleypig | but they really want you to talk to a sales person |
| 20:22.52 | harleypig | i also found info here: https://support.google.com/chromebook/?hl=en#topic=3399709 |
| 20:23.19 | goozbach | but can they run linux? :) |
| 20:23.48 | harleypig | goozbach: I've seen videos of someone installing ubuntu with unity (shudder) |
| 20:25.48 | goozbach | you can apparently run plan9 on them |
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| 20:55.30 | levi | Tene: It's easy to be underinformed or misinformed about the shutdown/debt ceiling issues and associated bills, resolutions, procedures, etc. It doesn't help that most of the soundbytes are pretty narrow and miss a lot of the context for decisions that have been made on both sides. |
| 21:01.16 | levi | Right now, there's a single CR (the one that's been going back and forth since late September) on the Speaker of the House's desk that has not been allowed to come to vote. But the House has requested conference (the "standard" procedure for working out the differences, though it has not been used much lately) and the Senate has denied the request for conference, indicating that they aren't going to entertain a CR with *any* |
| 21:01.17 | levi | modifications to ACA. However, the funding provisions in the Senate's version of the CR are exactly what the House version layed out. |
| 21:04.48 | levi | So, unwilling to vote for the clean CR or amend away the ACA-altering provisions again, the House started drafting "mini-CRs" that would relieve the immediate pain points while still leaving many programs unfunded. The Senate and President indicated they would block them, with the reasoning being that there's no reason to *just* fund the parts of the government that it is politically damaging to the Republicans to have unfunded; if they |
| 21:04.49 | levi | want to fund those, they will have to fund everything. |
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| 21:09.02 | shalkie | goozbach: It was my understanding that you can run Linux on them. I do know that they are not intel atoms/celerons. The latest samsung model has a samsung ARM processor. |
| 21:09.25 | shalkie | s/are not/are not all/ |
| 21:09.40 | shalkie | me grammer bad. :-( |
| 21:09.46 | goozbach | yeah the're ARM |
| 21:09.52 | goozbach | and use uboot or whatever |
| 21:10.01 | shalkie | The Acer is intel. |
| 21:10.11 | shalkie | The older Samsung was intel as well. |
| 21:10.28 | shalkie | I assume the HP is intel. |
| 21:10.35 | Migs | http://www.gabrielknight20th.com/ |
| 21:10.41 | Migs | used to love that game |
| 21:10.42 | Migs | https://scontent-a.xx.fbcdn.net/hphotos-frc3/1381355_670016716356243_1442642215_n.jpg |
| 21:14.28 | levi | Basically, the Republicans demand to be able to make *some sort* of modification to the ACA; if they back down now, especially after the way they have been describing their interactions with the Democrats, they will appear to have just given the Democrats everything they wanted and lose any leverage over the debt ceiling fight. The Democrats insist that they have already compromised a great deal in agreeing to keep sequester-level |
| 21:14.28 | levi | funding in the CR, and that there's no justification for them to allow any ACA modifications. Giving in on that would mean getting *no* concessions from the Republicans in return for doing major damage to the ACA, which they fought very hard for. |
| 21:15.09 | jxqz | levi: replace them with several raspberry pi's |
| 21:15.15 | jxqz | an armada of pi's |
| 21:15.20 | jxqz | + theme song |
| 21:15.44 | jxqz | then: the movie: Pi's vs Predators |
| 21:16.28 | jxqz | victory for fractal-like popularchy |
| 21:16.33 | jxqz | fractalarchy |
| 21:16.49 | jxqz | ~fractalarchy |
| 21:16.59 | jxqz | infobot: get with the times |
| 21:17.00 | infobot | ACTION fetches with the times |
| 21:17.06 | jxqz | thx |
| 21:17.51 | levi | There is currently a bill in process to give furloughed federal employees back pay, and it seems certain to pass both houses, so that's something. |
| 21:18.09 | manithree | The dems think the sequester solves the budget problem that they don't believe exists |
| 21:18.20 | levi | Uh, no they don't. |
| 21:18.46 | levi | The Dems passed a budget, but the Republicans have blocked appointment of conferees from the Senate to hash out details. |
| 21:19.19 | jxqz | I have a suggestion |
| 21:20.46 | levi | The Republicans have blocked attempts to get a real budget negotiated (though it's not certain by any means that they could have worked one out in time) since they cooked up the plan to tie ACA-dismantling to the continuing resolution. |
| 21:20.56 | jxqz | whenever you see 'Democrat' replace it with 'ninjas' and whenever you see 'Republican' replace it with 'ninjas' |
| 21:21.17 | jxqz | s/{Democrat|Republican}/ninja/g |
| 21:22.18 | jxqz | and then you realize that your argument is necessarily paradoxically endemic since the beginning of time |
| 21:22.19 | levi | I mean the Senate Republicans, most notably Cruz and our own Mike Lee. |
| 21:22.26 | jxqz | yay, our own |
| 21:22.34 | shalkie | Did the commercials iwth Sen. Lee air in Ut? |
| 21:22.40 | shalkie | I know I saw them out of state. |
| 21:22.51 | shalkie | s/iwth/with/ |
| 21:22.57 | jxqz | I've started to imagine what it would have been like if Bennet wasn't replaced by that joker |
| 21:22.59 | manithree | jxqz: you're way too nice. replace either with a random selection from (jackwagon|douchecanoe|slimeball) |
| 21:23.00 | levi | I don't know, I don't watch enough live TV. |
| 21:23.24 | levi | ninjas have Real Ultimate Power. Politicians just like to pretend they do. |
| 21:23.31 | jxqz | or Hatch was never there to begin with |
| 21:23.57 | jxqz | levi: well, ninja has begun to become a pejorative |
| 21:24.39 | jxqz | a ninja is someone who comes in during the night, hacks up the code, leaves by morning wowing the managers |
| 21:24.46 | jxqz | but doesn't test or structure |
| 21:24.56 | jxqz | thus ninja << engineer |
| 21:25.14 | fozzmoo | There's definitely a problem in D.C. with budgets. Even when the Democrats had control of both houses and the White House they couldn't pass a budget. Every budget Obama submits is largely rejected by just about every member of the Senate, Democrat and Republican. |
| 21:25.21 | jxqz | ninja => spaghetti code |
| 21:29.51 | manithree | and Republicans' past behavior has made it really hard to believe they are really any fiscally different than Democrats |
| 21:30.17 | shalkie | http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7f_PQUgfLUY |
| 21:30.29 | levi | Passing budgets is not technically mandatory, though it's certainly part of ordinary procedure. If it's not done, the previous one remains in effect. They exist to direct and bind the appropriation committees on how they should draft the appropriation bills, which *are* required. But if they can't actually get *that* done, then continuing resolutions form a stop-gap measure to keep things going until real appropriations bills can be |
| 21:30.29 | levi | agreed on. |
| 21:33.41 | levi | manithree: Well, the current impasse is clearly not about this year's appropriations at all. It's about whether *policy* concessions can be demanded as part of the appropriations process, rather than *spending* concessions. |
| 21:35.26 | manithree | You make it sound like policies are fiscally neutral. |
| 21:35.34 | manithree | AHCA is not |
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| 21:35.43 | levi | They aren't. Very few policies are. |
| 21:36.09 | levi | But fights over budget and appropriations have never been about policy before in this way. |
| 21:39.19 | manithree | Meh. Wasn't the Carter-ere shutdown over funding abortions, or at least related? I don't think things are as new and different as people say they are. |
| 21:40.04 | manithree | Or was that just a near-shutdown? I don't recall exactly. |
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| 21:50.01 | levi | I guess there were a few of them during the Carter administration that were tied to Medicare funding of abortions. The government wasn't actually forced to stop working during shutdowns until some judgements made in 1980/1981. Everyone just kept working while they hashed things out. |
| 21:50.47 | manithree | Yeah, I had to look it up no wikipedia to refresh my memory (I was 12). |
| 21:51.34 | manithree | I think politicians think "unprecedented" means "really annoying" |
| 21:51.38 | levi | I think they ought to repeal that law, and also repeal the debt ceiling law, which predates the whole budget process legislation. |
| 21:51.53 | manithree | It does seem redundant. |
| 21:52.53 | levi | The debt ceiling law is both redundant and kind of a dangerous thing to have lying around for congresscritters to play with. |
| 21:53.54 | manithree | But I would prefer reincarnating PAYGO |
| 21:59.44 | levi | Apparently it has been reincarnated. |
| 21:59.52 | levi | http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Statutory_Pay-As-You-Go_Act_of_2010 |
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| 22:04.08 | manithree | I wonder if all the new exemptions with that one are why it doesn't seem to work. |
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| 22:45.12 | levi | Ah, Paygo-2010 is the legislative source of the current sequestration. |
| 22:47.10 | levi | We got the last debt ceiling hike by appending a House-passed PAYGO bill to the debt ceiling hike bill. |
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