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| 02:39.50 | jxqz | he gave up |
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| 16:57.33 | youtah | I NEED THIS!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!1 |
| 16:57.35 | youtah | http://www.kickstarter.com/projects/173231925/lono-sprinkler-controller |
| 16:57.51 | jxqz | lame |
| 16:58.01 | jxqz | my sprinklers are soon to be controlled by cron job |
| 16:58.39 | youtah | lol |
| 16:59.19 | jsmith | youtah: Some of us don't need sprinkler controllers |
| 16:59.27 | jsmith | youtah: (or sprinklers, for that matter) |
| 16:59.31 | youtah | Sigh |
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| 16:59.35 | jsmith | youtah: You know, water from heaven, not from hoses |
| 16:59.43 | youtah | yeah yeah yeah |
| 16:59.48 | youtah | you and my family in Miami |
| 17:00.11 | youtah | "you put water pipes in your lawn?" |
| 17:00.18 | goozbach | haven't turned my water on in close to two years |
| 17:01.12 | jsmith | goozbach: I have... I still shower every day :-p |
| 17:01.17 | jsmith | goozbach: But whatever works for you... |
| 17:01.36 | jsmith | trolls |
| 17:01.50 | youtah | LOL |
| 17:02.12 | jxqz | jsmith: what if he hasn't turned it off in 2 years either? |
| 17:02.31 | jxqz | in that case, we can't know the state of his water |
| 17:03.00 | jxqz | without some instantaneous report of the state given |
| 17:03.46 | youtah | Hey |
| 17:03.54 | youtah | do you guys wanna know what's on the menu for lunch today? |
| 17:04.06 | youtah | you know, the one at our cafe with our chefs? that the company pays for? |
| 17:04.24 | peno | tacos? |
| 17:04.31 | youtah | First option is the comfort food: Country Fried Steak - Beef steak fritter, served with yams sweet potatoes, gravy, and saute vegetables |
| 17:04.48 | youtah | Then we have the Ratatouille Penne Pasta |
| 17:05.01 | youtah | Or perhaps you'd like the Blackened Chicken Sandwich |
| 17:05.25 | youtah | and for the soups: Cheddar Potato Bacon or Italian Chicken And Rice |
| 17:05.33 | youtah | today will make me fat |
| 17:06.12 | jxqz | to me that's a sign that a company has more money than they know what to do with |
| 17:06.24 | jxqz | or are spending it on needless stuff |
| 17:06.35 | youtah | I dunno, to me that shows they know EXACTLY what they're doing |
| 17:06.52 | jxqz | I couldn't work in such an environment |
| 17:07.09 | jxqz | give me honest money for honest work |
| 17:07.14 | youtah | It actually follows Googles (and other's strategies) of keeping the employees at the building the entire day, rather than taking off for 1~2 hours at lunch |
| 17:07.31 | jsmith | youtah: Actually, we already had lunch here :-p |
| 17:07.44 | jsmith | youtah: But thanks for the offer :-) |
| 17:07.45 | goozbach | jsmith: it rains enough I get clean regularly |
| 17:07.51 | youtah | lol jsmith |
| 17:08.04 | youtah | An open cafe with whiteboards where only employees can reside, so you can openly talk about projects while enjoying bacon soup |
| 17:08.10 | jsmith | youtah: (and today I bought lunch for around 40 of my closest friends) |
| 17:08.11 | youtah | or perhaps eating amazing food at your desk |
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| 17:08.21 | goozbach | jsmith: you in town already? |
| 17:08.23 | keldwud | how do I become one of your closest friends jsmith? |
| 17:08.28 | jsmith | goozbach: Aye... got in last night |
| 17:08.36 | jsmith | keldwud: You show up at AstriDevCon :-) |
| 17:08.43 | goozbach | wish I had gas/time/money to spend the week in ATL |
| 17:08.49 | youtah | but was it Belgian Waffle jsmith ? |
| 17:08.54 | goozbach | but as goes I'll be there full day weds |
| 17:09.06 | jsmith | youtah: No, but we'll do that again in January |
| 17:09.11 | youtah | Bacon is the only way to make me super jealous |
| 17:09.13 | youtah | lol |
| 17:10.12 | jxqz | company efforts to ingratiate grate me |
| 17:10.16 | jxqz | I'm not a social person |
| 17:10.31 | jxqz | I have mild aspbergers |
| 17:10.35 | jsmith | youtah: I had some great bacon for breakfast this morning |
| 17:10.42 | jsmith | youtah: Also, have you seen baconfreak.com? |
| 17:10.48 | jxqz | give me an isolated blank room |
| 17:10.57 | jsmith | youtah: Co-worker sent me a "bacon care package" from baconfreak.com a month or so ago... |
| 17:10.57 | jxqz | or give me death |
| 17:12.00 | jxqz | I'd rather skip lunch than be forced to make it into a social event |
| 17:12.13 | jxqz | tries to think about something else to rant about |
| 17:12.38 | youtah | no I haven't seen this jsmith |
| 17:12.46 | youtah | Sounds like a site that I need |
| 17:13.20 | youtah | jxqz, that's why they have the grab and go premade lunchs in the fridge. |
| 17:13.36 | youtah | Alright, it's 3rd breakfast |
| 17:13.37 | youtah | AFK |
| 17:13.39 | jsmith | youtah: "You'd better believe it... and you're gonna love the way they tickle..." |
| 17:14.03 | jxqz | youtah: it's all a big waste |
| 17:15.31 | keldwud | did somebody say ass burgers? |
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| 17:35.33 | Migs | has anyone heard of a Michael Tuttle? |
| 17:36.00 | Migs | the name sounds familiar, and it seems like I've seen him in IRC before. He just applied for a job with us. |
| 17:36.20 | goozbach | sure it isn't Buttle? |
| 17:36.22 | goozbach | :D |
| 17:45.52 | jxqz | Migs: wget ibot.logs | zgrep |
| 17:45.59 | jxqz | "that guy's name" |
| 17:46.06 | jxqz | :) |
| 17:50.20 | jxqz | so, dice.com seems to be some sort of recruiter nest |
| 17:51.00 | harleypig_ | Is this Tuttle any relation to Captain Tuttle? |
| 17:51.19 | jxqz | within minutes of posting a resume there I startet getting solicited by recruiters in many parts of the country peddling jobs for which I had little interest |
| 17:51.25 | joshh | probably not a good idea to discuss your candidates so publicly like this |
| 17:51.38 | joshh | wait till the interview and ask about irc |
| 17:52.07 | joshh | what if michael tuttle's boss was in this channel and saw you post that? |
| 17:52.35 | jxqz | then hopefully his boss is not a jerk |
| 17:53.09 | joshh | hopefully |
| 17:53.22 | unum | I'm a big fan of the kraveth method |
| 17:53.36 | unum | this whole "loyalty" thing just doesn't make much sense to me |
| 17:54.07 | joshh | doesn't matter, it's just plain not a good thing to talk about who is apping at your company in a channel like this |
| 17:56.25 | Migs | that's a good point. My apologies. |
| 17:56.42 | Migs | didn't even think about that |
| 17:57.11 | joshh | i've seen people get burned in similar ways, heh |
| 17:57.16 | Migs | maybe they'll offer him more money now, so he doesn't leave? |
| 17:57.19 | Migs | that's what a good boss would do |
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| 17:59.09 | Migs | jxqz: I think monster.com is basically a recruiter nest too |
| 18:01.39 | jxqz | yes |
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| 18:04.47 | keldwud | if you had to choose between glary and ccleaner, which one would you use and why? assuming you've used both utilities, of course. |
| 18:12.40 | jxqz | I choose ... Buzz Lightyear |
| 18:17.01 | ldav15 | I choose ... DBAN |
| 18:18.54 | manithree | youtah: I'm rocking one of these: http://rayshobby.net/cart/opensprinkler/ospi-12 |
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| 18:18.59 | Chat6278 | Hi |
| 18:19.09 | Chat6278 | Im from slc |
| 18:20.00 | Migs | k |
| 18:20.14 | Migs | I was looking forward to meeting a new friend, but oh well |
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| 18:23.28 | unum | he was gone fast |
| 18:24.03 | ldav15 | mainthree: So how'd OpenSprinkler work out? I saw the YouTube video a while back and was interested. |
| 18:24.34 | unum | I'm going to need to give that a try |
| 18:24.57 | youtah | TWSS unum |
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| 18:31.40 | manithree | My first pi died after about a week, the second one has been running for 1.5 months now. The web ui's are a little, uh, old school, but I love it. |
| 18:32.06 | goozbach | http://gifsound.com/?gif=http://i.imgur.com/ZwuyWEx.gif&sound=http://www.youtube.com/watch%3Fv=bAxokC7vvjQ |
| 18:33.49 | manithree | ldav15: I think I would go with the arduino (no rpi required) if I had to do it again. |
| 18:37.31 | keldwud | none of you guys own afautah.org do you? |
| 18:40.30 | ldav15 | manithree: Thanks for the info. |
| 18:41.02 | keldwud | hey, any bluehost guys around? |
| 18:41.05 | keldwud | I have some customers for you |
| 18:41.14 | keldwud | just found out that I've been hosting a bunch of randoms |
| 18:41.28 | keldwud | and I'm giving them 30 days |
| 18:41.44 | keldwud | so I wanted to do a warm hand-off instead of sending them over there cold |
| 18:42.54 | keldwud | anybody want some customers for web hosting? |
| 18:42.55 | keldwud | anyone? |
| 18:42.57 | keldwud | :) |
| 18:43.24 | undertakingyou | manithree: did you develop OpenSprinkler |
| 18:43.25 | undertakingyou | ?? |
| 18:43.40 | manithree | undertakingyou: no, just bought one |
| 18:45.02 | undertakingyou | Seems like you like it well enough. Did you do the DIY or buy the completed unit? |
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| 19:02.27 | manithree | undertakingyou: I bought the completed unit. My old sprinkler controller died, and I was in a hurry |
| 19:04.34 | manithree | walking around the yard with my Galaxy S4, turning stations on and off is cool (and useful) |
| 19:04.34 | undertakingyou | manithree: I am redoing my sprinklers right now. Never heard of OpenSprinkler till you guys were talking about it. Intriguing. |
| 19:04.35 | undertakingyou | Would you go with a different one now? I can't find an arduino sprinkler controller. |
| 19:04.35 | manithree | http://rayshobby.net/cart/opensprinkler/os-20 |
| 19:04.57 | manithree | I suspect rpi is just a little too fragile for the sprinkler controller environment |
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| 19:05.35 | manithree | OpenSprinkler is arduino, OpenSprinkler Pi requires a rpi |
| 19:05.58 | levi | Isn't there a beaglebone version? |
| 19:06.53 | manithree | levi: dunno, but I suspect the beaglebone is just as fragile, but more expensive and even bigger overkill |
| 19:07.59 | levi | BBB is pretty cheap and built around an industrial-grade SoC; not sure about the fragility of the overall board, though. |
| 19:09.11 | jxqz | dude |
| 19:09.17 | jxqz | why make a big deal out of it |
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| 19:09.27 | jxqz | all you need is an array of low voltage DC switches |
| 19:09.39 | jxqz | maybe 10 or 12, depending on how many stations you have |
| 19:09.49 | jxqz | and plug that into your pi |
| 19:09.49 | manithree | levi: I suppose if you MUST have SATA on your sprinkler controller ;-) |
| 19:09.59 | jxqz | then all you need is a cron job |
| 19:10.12 | levi | And something to run cron on. |
| 19:10.21 | jxqz | levi: raspberry pi |
| 19:10.26 | jxqz | obviously |
| 19:11.26 | levi | I'm not sure why you'd obviously pick the pi over any of the other low-cost SoCs. |
| 19:11.35 | jxqz | you can even run the (embedded) distro of your choice |
| 19:11.41 | jxqz | well, whatever |
| 19:11.45 | jxqz | a pi is $30 |
| 19:12.17 | manithree | levi: the OSpi is made for pi, it fits in the case and includes all the connectors |
| 19:12.30 | jxqz | if you'd rather fiddle over some proprietary OS in order to save $10, I guess you can do that if you want |
| 19:15.29 | levi | What proprietary OS are you speaking of? |
| 19:31.00 | levi | If I were going to make my own, I'd probably use a $10 TI Lauchpad and put eLua on it. |
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| 19:34.24 | levi | From the OpenSprinkler creator: "It occurs to me that BeagleBone Black is probably a more suitable platform for sprinkler applications, particularly because it has built-in ADC and RTC. This would make the extension board design really simple." |
| 19:34.45 | levi | He's working on a BeagleBone version now, apparently. |
| 19:35.10 | goozbach | cool! |
| 19:35.17 | levi | The raspberry pi is really the wrong kind of SoC for this application. |
| 19:35.34 | levi | It's basically a big GPU with a wimpy ARM core. |
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| 19:40.08 | levi | The BeagleBone on the other hand is a powerful ARM with a bunch of industrial control stuff and a mediocre video system. |
| 19:40.44 | jxqz | levi: but does it run an ordinary linux? |
| 19:41.42 | levi | Um, yes. |
| 19:41.42 | jxqz | I'm too impatient to deal with embedded systems that can't host a decent operating system |
| 19:42.03 | jxqz | it's 2013. 4 GiB of ssd is not too much to ask |
| 19:42.04 | levi | Linux is a terrible OS for embedded systems, though. |
| 19:42.07 | jxqz | even 1 GiB |
| 19:42.14 | jxqz | yeah |
| 19:43.44 | levi | Not terrible for handheld computer systems, or other applications-based environments, but terrible for things that have resource constraints or tight timing deadlines. |
| 19:44.33 | levi | The BeagleBone has a dedicated coprocessor that allows it to do very flexible real-time data processing, though. |
| 19:44.58 | goozbach | levi: real time linux is being used in many things which have timing deadlines |
| 19:45.06 | levi | And I mean hard real-time, not just 'yeah, we got the upper bound of latency below 1ms' |
| 19:45.29 | goozbach | I taught a couple of classes to some folks working on such systems at locheed and DARPA |
| 19:45.40 | levi | goozbach: Yeah, I work on embedded Linux systems too. |
| 19:46.03 | levi | The ones that can do hard real-time are not pure Linux. |
| 19:46.23 | levi | And there are a lot of scenarios where hard real-time is not required. |
| 19:47.32 | levi | But the urge for people to cram Linux into *everything* is a little bit silly sometimes. It's often more about being a Linux partisan than choosing a good tool for the job. |
| 19:49.36 | shalkie | That's it levi, give me your linux fan boi toten' chip card. You loose a corner for your practicality. :-D |
| 19:49.57 | levi | I haven't been a Linux 'fan boi' for years! |
| 20:00.44 | manithree | rpi is already overkill for a sprinkler controller. More CPU and hard real-time don't make it any better for that, ADC and RTC do |
| 20:01.18 | levi | Well yeah, that's what I meant by the 'industrial control stuff'. |
| 20:01.41 | manithree | So for nearly 3x the price I get RTC (I don't use any sensors) |
| 20:02.00 | levi | 3x the price of which version? |
| 20:02.23 | manithree | rpi $35, bbb $100 |
| 20:02.31 | levi | BBB is not $100! |
| 20:02.47 | manithree | what are they going for now, they were over $90 last time I checked. |
| 20:03.08 | levi | Was that the BBB or the previous white version? |
| 20:03.13 | manithree | black |
| 20:03.34 | levi | Uh, they've always been $45. |
| 20:04.05 | goozbach | full kit from adafruit is 79 http://www.adafruit.com/products/703 |
| 20:04.13 | goozbach | but that's more than just the BBB |
| 20:05.01 | manithree | Ok, maybe I was confusing it with another one (there are so many) |
| 20:05.30 | levi | Yeah, and their RPi starter pack is $104. :) |
| 20:05.37 | goozbach | :) |
| 20:05.47 | levi | The white BeagleBone is $89. |
| 20:06.08 | manithree | I paid $45 for my last pi with a case |
| 20:08.26 | levi | I would guess that due to simplified interfacing, a BBB-based OpenSprinkler would be roughly at price parity with the RPi version. Component choices and production run sizes could easily account for twice the price differential between RPi and BBB boards themselves. |
| 20:09.08 | levi | The relationship between part functionality and price is only weakly correlated in the semiconductor world. |
| 20:11.26 | levi | Anyway, my point is that they're very different kinds of SoCs at very similar price points, so if you have a project in mind it's worth looking at both to see which would be a better fit. |
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| 20:25.04 | TheBoyd | Good afternoon. |
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| 20:42.21 | levi | Heya, TheBoyd. |
| 20:53.02 | unum | apparantly if you use tor with firefox(or atleast the tor bundle), you may have been hacked by the NSA |
| 20:53.13 | unum | so you may want to clean that up |
| 21:01.50 | unum | https://www.schneier.com/blog/archives/2013/10/how_the_nsa_att.html |
| 21:04.34 | shalkie | It seems like it was the same thing that the FBI had been using. |
| 21:05.55 | shalkie | http://www.wired.com/threatlevel/2013/09/freedom-hosting-fbi/ |
| 21:08.34 | levi | Heh. No tor for me. |
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| 21:26.25 | youtah | http://i.imgur.com/9qQTrBB.gif |
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| 21:34.57 | Migs | youtah: Nice. |
| 21:35.26 | youtah | I only got half way through the gif |
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| 21:40.11 | youtah | Okay only one more.... http://imgur.com/gallery/HNRhvJT |
| 21:40.16 | youtah | for the next five minutes |
| 21:40.18 | youtah | BUWA HA HA HA |
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| 21:52.08 | Migs | is that a Sharpwriter pic? |
| 21:52.33 | Migs | haha it is |
| 21:55.31 | Migs | I've been meaning to get posters of all these |
| 21:57.41 | Migs | http://fc08.deviantart.net/fs71/f/2013/272/4/b/saint_walter_by_sharpwriter-d6olnby.jpg |
| 21:57.42 | Migs | hahahahahaha |
| 21:57.46 | youtah | I dont know Migs |
| 21:57.57 | youtah | ROFL |
| 21:58.03 | youtah | I am the danger |
| 21:58.55 | youtah | notice the flower behind his left foot? |
| 22:15.16 | Migs | oh man, I didn't |
| 22:15.18 | Migs | that's awesome |
| 22:15.42 | Migs | I love all the details this guy puts in his artwork |
| 22:19.40 | shalkie | http://www.ksl.com/?sid=27152353&nid=960 <-- When do you stop and load it into the back of the truck? |
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| 22:58.32 | youtah | http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VlOxlSOr3_M&feature=youtu.be |
| 23:01.57 | Migs | well, why don't they show the surveillance footage? |
| 23:02.03 | Migs | maybe someone will recognize the guy, despite the mask? |
| 23:02.26 | Migs | maybe someone will say, "Whoa, that guy's about the size of my buddy Rick, and he has a mask just like that, and moves just like him!" |
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