| 00:27.25 | jxqz | most of the best developers to be found are on irc--only watch your step--this place can be a little rough |
| 00:27.32 | jxqz | ~irc |
| 00:27.32 | infobot | Welcome to IRC, where the men are men, the women are men, and the little girls are FBI agents. |
| 00:27.59 | jxqz | infobot: irc is also Most of the best developers to be found are on irc--only watch your step--this place can be a little rough. |
| 00:27.59 | infobot | Oh IRC, why do you distract me so from is also Most of the best developers to be found are on irc--only watch your step--this place can be a little rough.? |
| 00:28.15 | jxqz | ~literal irc is also Most of the best developers to be found are on irc--only watch your step--this place can be a little rough. |
| 00:28.15 | infobot | Oh IRC, why do you distract me so from is also Most of the best developers to be found are on irc--only watch your step--this place can be a little rough.? |
| 00:28.21 | jxqz | blah |
| 00:33.42 | jxqz | ~irc |
| 00:33.42 | infobot | irc is, like, Welcome to IRC, where the men are of reduced skin pigmentation, the women are all above average, and the little girls are FBI agents. Most of the best developers to be found are on irc--only watch your step--this place can be a little rough. |
| 00:34.11 | jxqz | ~napoleon |
| 00:39.30 | jxqz | ~napoleon |
| 00:39.30 | infobot | Sweet! That's like a dollar an hour! |
| 00:39.52 | jxqz | ~napoleon |
| 00:39.52 | infobot | Sweet! That's like a dollar an hour! |
| 00:40.42 | jxqz | come on, the distribution is supposed to be uniform, not poisson |
| 00:40.46 | jxqz | ~napoleon |
| 00:40.46 | infobot | Just listen to your heart. That's what I do |
| 00:40.52 | jxqz | that's better |
| 00:42.31 | jxqz | ~napoleon |
| 00:42.31 | infobot | Sweet! That's like a dollar an hour! |
| 00:42.53 | jxqz | ~napoleon |
| 00:42.53 | infobot | There's like a buttload of gangs at this school. One of them wanted me to join because I'm pretty good with a bowstaff |
| 00:44.01 | jxqz | ~napoleon |
| 00:44.01 | infobot | Sweet! That's like a dollar an hour! |
| 00:44.29 | jxqz | ~napoleon |
| 00:44.29 | infobot | Wait, I forgot the crystals |
| 00:45.27 | jxqz | napoleon |
| 00:45.29 | jxqz | ~napoleon |
| 00:45.29 | infobot | (Just listen to your heart. That's what I do.|Sweet! That's like a dollar an hour!|Wait, I forgot the crystals.|Girls only like guys who have great skills: Nun-chuck skills, bow hunting skills, computer hacking skills.|There's like a buttload of gangs at this school. One of them kept wanting me to join because I'm pretty good with a bowstaff.|It's a liger, bred for its skills in magic.|Pedro offers you his protection.|But, my |
| 00:45.33 | jxqz | darn |
| 00:45.54 | jxqz | ~napoleon |
| 00:45.54 | infobot | Just listen to your heart. That's what I do. |
| 00:46.27 | jxqz | ~napoleon |
| 00:46.27 | infobot | There's like a buttload of gangs at this school. One of them kept wanting me to join because I'm pretty good with a bowstaff. |
| 00:46.39 | jxqz | Sweet! |
| 00:48.14 | jxqz | ~napoleon |
| 00:48.14 | infobot | Girls only like guys who have great skills: Nun-chuck skills, bow hunting skills, computer hacking skills. |
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| 02:41.51 | levi | Nice. |
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| 05:13.23 | jxqz | ~napoleon |
| 05:13.23 | infobot | Just listen to your heart. That's what I do. |
| 05:15.43 | jxqz | ~napoleon |
| 05:15.43 | infobot | It's a liger, bred for its skills in magic. |
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| 15:39.57 | keldwud | ok, I'm failing miserably aat finding the download link at http://partedmagic.com/doku.php?id=downloads |
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| 17:08.12 | fozzmoo | http://imgur.com/gallery/Ko2ho6c |
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| 17:17.54 | jxqz | video interviews |
| 17:17.55 | jxqz | ugh |
| 17:21.17 | unum | we've officially canceled our vacation plans |
| 17:29.14 | jxqz | I wish I could not have to be on display at all |
| 17:30.05 | jxqz | just give me a project to work on and I'll write the code |
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| 17:40.31 | keldwud | you canceled your vacation plans? |
| 17:40.35 | keldwud | #thanksobama |
| 17:45.44 | jxqz | keldwud: no, I'm sure it's because of the weather |
| 17:45.53 | jxqz | he just realized that it's fall |
| 17:46.07 | jxqz | ~napoleon |
| 17:46.07 | infobot | Girls only like guys who have great skills: Nun-chuck skills, bow hunting skills, computer hacking skills. |
| 17:46.27 | keldwud | the weather? |
| 17:46.30 | keldwud | the weather is bad? |
| 17:46.33 | keldwud | #thanksobama |
| 17:46.37 | jxqz | yes, I'm sure it is |
| 17:47.13 | jxqz | #thanksglobalwarming |
| 17:47.40 | jxqz | he cancelled because of global warming |
| 17:47.48 | jxqz | I'm sorry to have to bring it up, but there it is |
| 17:48.09 | jxqz | http://howwillglobalwarmingaffectyou.org/ |
| 17:48.16 | jxqz | share your experiences |
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| 17:59.40 | ldav15 | ~napoleon |
| 17:59.40 | infobot | Wait, I forgot the crystals. |
| 18:01.21 | ldav15 | They're back in Moscow, Napoleon. |
| 18:02.22 | unum | we like to go to Zions in the fall |
| 18:02.38 | unum | I of course blame the house |
| 18:03.24 | jxqz | the house of Zion |
| 18:04.18 | unum | that or the House of Representatives your choice |
| 18:05.22 | Nemus | For anyone who is intrested I am going to be teaching a class on kvm this saturday to help raise money for the transistor. http://kvmdc801.eventbrite.com/ |
| 18:11.59 | jxqz | why would I want to work somewhere that has a 'dress code'? |
| 18:12.46 | ElForesto | Because the job is awesome even if you have to wear a button-up shirt? |
| 18:12.59 | jxqz | maybe |
| 18:13.20 | ElForesto | EMC/RSA has a dress code and it's an awesome place to work. |
| 18:13.58 | jxqz | I think it's funny when recruiters try to pretend that the company name of the job they're listing is the recruiting agency |
| 18:14.12 | jxqz | ElForesto: what's EMC/RSA? |
| 18:14.53 | jxqz | endemicically meticulous carnival/ridiculous stuffed animal |
| 18:15.20 | ElForesto | EMC does primarily storage products (like enterprise-level stuff; think yottabytes). RSA is their security division and where I work. |
| 18:15.34 | ElForesto | Of course, I moved to be a remote employee, so my dress code is a little more casual. |
| 18:16.39 | jxqz | um, yottabytes? |
| 18:16.43 | jxqz | srsly? |
| 18:16.53 | ElForesto | srsly. |
| 18:17.04 | jxqz | you mean, like for the NSA? L) |
| 18:17.08 | ElForesto | EMC had a terrabyte storage device... in 1985. |
| 18:17.09 | jxqz | s/L/:/ |
| 18:17.14 | jxqz | wow |
| 18:17.21 | jxqz | on laser disc? |
| 18:17.30 | jxqz | or tape? |
| 18:17.39 | ElForesto | I think it was magnetic hard drive. I'd have to look it up. |
| 18:18.19 | jxqz | probably punch cards |
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| 18:20.46 | youtah | NACHOS!!!!!!!! https://twitter.com/youtah/status/385825107920158720 |
| 18:21.43 | ElForesto | The less visible the chips are, the more you're doing it right. |
| 18:22.49 | youtah | https://twitter.com/youtah/status/385831498328203265 |
| 18:23.05 | youtah | That's my dessert |
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| 18:32.21 | jalbretsen | waaay stupid question. I get to do some desktop / office support now. Am I understanding this correctly that a Brother printer shows up on the network as the model name, but if I go change the "node name" in the network configuration, it will show up as that? We have several of the same model, and it's a PITA to figure out which one I'm configuring for someone, I'd like to be able to tell the difference |
| 18:34.01 | ElForesto | Mine shows as "model name [mac addesss]" when browsing from Windows 7. |
| 18:34.29 | jalbretsen | Ya, we are all all Mac shop. Except for me who runs Linux. |
| 18:34.42 | jalbretsen | Mac just shows he model |
| 18:34.46 | jalbretsen | *the |
| 18:35.10 | youtah | Shots fired at the US Capitol https://twitter.com/KSL5TV/status/385834960398979072 |
| 18:35.41 | ElForesto | I think the node name just changes the SMB name. |
| 18:36.15 | levi | youtah: That just says 'reports of fired', nothing about shots. Maybe they fired Congress? :P |
| 18:37.22 | youtah | other places are reporting "shots" |
| 18:37.32 | youtah | https://twitter.com/GMA/status/385835599241834496 |
| 18:37.46 | ldav15 | levi: The link to NBC News says "shots fired" |
| 18:38.07 | manithree | levi: We can always hope |
| 18:38.11 | youtah | https://twitter.com/theblaze/status/385835080897155072 |
| 18:38.22 | youtah | Take your pick. |
| 18:38.38 | youtah | AP is reporting one officer injured |
| 18:42.18 | jxqz | I guess someone came in thinking they'd get things fired up |
| 18:42.21 | jlp_znc | levi: I thought that was our job (firing congress) |
| 18:42.23 | jxqz | John Wayne style |
| 18:47.02 | Migs | maybe they wanted to go out in a BLAZE of glory |
| 18:47.48 | Migs | what really happened, though? That's the burning question. |
| 18:48.13 | youtah | They have the shooter in custody |
| 18:48.21 | ElForesto | My guess is a "normal" crime that happened to be a little too close to a government building. |
| 18:48.26 | youtah | sounds like they were chasing a car, car shot at the police, car took off, |
| 18:48.28 | jlp_znc | well, that didn't take too long |
| 18:48.39 | ElForesto | Chicago calls this "Tuesday". |
| 18:48.51 | jlp_znc | :-/ |
| 18:49.00 | youtah | or a Tuesday Afternoon, or Tuesday Evening, or Tuesday Night |
| 18:49.22 | Jayce^ | waves to ElForesto... glad to see you here now |
| 18:49.52 | Migs | hopefully it scared a few congressmen |
| 18:49.59 | youtah | I dragged him in... Tuesday? |
| 18:50.08 | youtah | https://twitter.com/learyreports/status/385832100110168064 << Best photo so far |
| 18:50.14 | youtah | or at least that is my favorite |
| 18:50.33 | ElForesto | waves back to Jayce^ |
| 18:50.55 | youtah | http://www.24saltlake.com/live/ << just finally finished loading for me |
| 18:51.35 | jxqz | great |
| 18:51.41 | jxqz | now the capitol's locked down |
| 18:51.46 | jxqz | nothing will ever happen again |
| 18:52.00 | youtah | Nooooooooooooo! |
| 18:52.11 | youtah | I really really REALLY wanted to go to Canyonlands NP this weekend |
| 18:52.24 | jxqz | #blameglobalwarming |
| 18:52.39 | ldav15 | Was something going to happen at the Capitol today? |
| 18:53.02 | youtah | probably just more finger pointing |
| 18:54.08 | youtah | https://twitter.com/MarkShurtleff/status/385840033028382720 << Heh |
| 18:55.35 | ldav15 | It's probably a good thing Mark didn't have his concealed weapon. He might have been shot. |
| 18:59.01 | Migs | https://pbs.twimg.com/media/BVrAa2ZIQAE44xD.jpg |
| 18:59.22 | youtah | Migs, >> <youtah> https://twitter.com/learyreports/status/385832100110168064 << Best photo so far |
| 18:59.24 | youtah | ;-) |
| 18:59.38 | Migs | oops |
| 18:59.43 | Migs | sorry |
| 18:59.43 | youtah | Just teasin |
| 18:59.47 | youtah | naw, you're good |
| 18:59.52 | Migs | well, it won't happen again |
| 18:59.54 | youtah | if you missed it, chances are others did too |
| 18:59.54 | Migs | I promise |
| 19:00.00 | fugue88 | Great minds think alike. |
| 19:00.09 | youtah | I really like the photo |
| 19:00.20 | Jayce^ | hrm, bloomberg just had an article/interview for a bit saying the shots fired were from police, but now it just went down.. |
| 19:00.33 | youtah | it really paints a great picture |
| 19:03.46 | Jayce^ | "the incident began with a car chase, which came to a stop near the Capitol building. Sources said several police cars were in pursuit. When they boxed in the other vehicle, the driver got out and five or six shots were fired, sources said. " |
| 19:04.21 | Jayce^ | now that one has just enough ambiguousness to really make you want to punch for lack of follow-up clarification questions... |
| 19:05.40 | jxqz | like, where's Nicholas Cage? |
| 19:05.55 | Jayce^ | see, we all want to know! |
| 19:06.15 | jxqz | youtah: all I see is an url with a jumble of numbers and letters |
| 19:10.17 | youtah | jxqz, you're looking at the photo with a hex editor again, aren't you.... |
| 19:11.40 | jxqz | if Shakespeare were the source code to an image, now that might be something |
| 19:11.54 | youtah | how cool would that be? |
| 19:12.07 | jxqz | ~coolmeter shakespeare image |
| 19:12.14 | jxqz | nothing |
| 19:12.22 | ElForesto | Cut and paste it into an SVG and see what happens. :P |
| 19:13.37 | harleypig | Someone should make a ton of solar powered mini quad copters, program them to fly in random patterns but with a destination of the various official buildings in DC let them go from random points around the country |
| 19:14.05 | harleypig | s/DC/DC and/ |
| 19:15.05 | harleypig | when they arrive at their destination they should just hover |
| 19:15.09 | jxqz | harleyswarm |
| 19:15.22 | jxqz | clear and present tacos |
| 19:15.23 | jlp_znc | make sure you remove any identifying serial numbers |
| 19:15.30 | harleypig | no kidding |
| 19:15.53 | harleypig | and wear gloves the entire time |
| 19:16.01 | jlp_znc | or get Mark Shurtleff to buy them for you |
| 19:16.05 | harleypig | heh |
| 19:16.36 | jlp_znc | "hey, Mark, I need a bunch of these... can you pick them up for me next time you're around the shops?" |
| 19:17.43 | jlp_znc | uh oh, the annual Fusion-io pumpkin carving contest is on again. |
| 19:18.03 | jlp_znc | last year, our team had a pumpkin that had pulsating lights and played a heartbeat sound. |
| 19:18.09 | jlp_znc | we came in second. |
| 19:18.34 | youtah | I'm telling ya |
| 19:18.40 | youtah | the Candy Launcher would win it |
| 19:19.04 | jlp_znc | yeah, but you could put an eye out with that thing |
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| 19:20.51 | Jayce^ | It's no fun until somebody loses an eye... right? |
| 19:21.10 | jlp_znc | as long as it's not _me_ losing the eye, then yeah |
| 19:25.36 | jxqz | then it's just fun |
| 19:26.34 | jlp_znc | http://0height.com/fun-pictures/boardroom-meeting-meme |
| 19:30.20 | levi | Heh. Oh my. Apparently the guy the Feds have in custody for running Silk Road was a big fan of the "Mises Institute" and "Austrian Economics" and cites them as providing the "philosophical underpinnings of Silk Road". |
| 19:31.08 | youtah | It's all fun and games until someone gets hurt |
| 19:31.11 | youtah | then it's just fun. |
| 19:32.14 | levi | Not great news for more principled libertarians, who are now getting the good name of their main web sites dragged through the mud. |
| 19:33.20 | levi | I don't think von Mises would have been a fan of underground markets for illegal activities myself, but hey. |
| 19:35.12 | harleypig | http://www.classicalite.com/articles/3117/20131003/bigfoot-real-science-group-claims-sasquatch-exists-welcome-night-vale.htm |
| 19:35.46 | harleypig | oops ... that was meant for a fb status |
| 19:35.51 | harleypig | but you're welcome to it |
| 19:39.17 | jxqz | how does libertarian mud compare to regular mud? |
| 19:39.47 | jxqz | I thought the point of libertarian was that you didn't have principles :) |
| 19:40.44 | levi | The point of being libertarian is to be very principled about which sort of principles you believe are universally valid. |
| 19:41.05 | harleypig | there are no principles that are universally valid |
| 19:41.17 | levi | Tell that to a libertarian. |
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| 19:41.57 | jxqz | tautological principles |
| 19:42.31 | jxqz | does any spacetime manifold allowed by GR have a finite covering |
| 19:42.32 | jxqz | ? |
| 19:42.42 | jxqz | well, I guess |
| 19:42.44 | levi | They're only as universally valid as the axioms and rules of the system they're formulated in. |
| 19:44.38 | levi | So, speaking of validity of systems, there have been some fun articles on the intarwebs lately about 'undefined behavior' in C. |
| 19:44.48 | harleypig | I'm a radical moderate ... everyone thinks I'm on the opposing team |
| 19:46.19 | levi | Basically, the C specification says that if your program contains any constructs that have been specified as having 'undefined behavior', then the *entire execution state* of the program is deemed to be undefined. |
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| 19:47.32 | levi | This is, by the way, the origin of the term 'nasal demons' |
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| 19:51.45 | levi | C also has two other classes of 'less-defined' behavior, namely 'unspecified behavior' and 'implementation-defined behavior'. The things your compiler can legally cause your program to do in those cases are somewhat more limited. |
| 19:56.43 | levi | Anyway, one of the posts was by an LLVM programmer who was talking about the optimizations that clang does and how they can interact in surprising and hard-to-anticipate ways in the face of constructs with undefined behavior. This is why C programs often run so efficiently, but why they're so error-prone and why the 'C is a high-level assembler' is not even close to true these days. |
| 19:59.26 | levi | Since no one cares about C... |
| 20:02.18 | levi | I am pissed that my father is on furlough due to the inane antics of Congress, specifically the House Republicans, but more generally all the idiocy over the years that's contributed to the worthless legislation that makes these stupid budget showdowns occur. |
| 20:07.25 | ElForesto | It would be nice if Congress would work on a budget rather than just agreeing to spend money. |
| 20:08.11 | ldav15 | It would be nice if Congress would work |
| 20:09.48 | ElForesto | At least they agree on indefinite detainment and spying on us. :P |
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| 20:19.29 | unum | ElForesto: good point |
| 20:20.08 | unum | they also seem to agree on social security payments, and medicare oddly enough |
| 20:20.40 | unum | supposedly this showdown is about "welfare" but the two most expensive parts of the welfare system were protected |
| 20:20.58 | unum | of course that's because old people vote |
| 20:22.58 | ElForesto | Exactly. People who show up get what they want. |
| 20:26.28 | harleypig | ElForesto: only if they are in the majority of those who show up. |
| 20:27.35 | unum | harleypig: true, but if you can convince the majority they are the minority, they might not show up :) |
| 20:28.29 | unum | there are some who feel like that happens in Utah. There's such low participation at the polls, that if everyone was to show up it could be a completely different ball game |
| 20:28.47 | unum | of course you have the mass meetings that have even smaller turn outs.... |
| 20:29.20 | harleypig | <mode=idealist>Voting should be made as easy as clicking a radio button on a web page</mode> |
| 20:30.44 | fugue88 | <mode=pessimist>Then the apex of our policital discourse would be multiple choice.</mode> <mode=realization>Oh. We're there.</mode> |
| 20:31.11 | harleypig | Voting, by definition, is mutliple choice |
| 20:31.23 | harleypig | You can vote for option a or option whale |
| 20:31.32 | harleypig | Or you can add your own option, sometimes. |
| 20:31.42 | harleypig | But it's still multiple choice. |
| 20:31.54 | fugue88 | Fine. Crush my pessimism. |
| 20:32.05 | harleypig | raises his foot |
| 20:33.29 | youtah | found this (ACA flow chart) http://kaiserfamilyfoundation.files.wordpress.com/2013/04/requirement_flowchart_3.png |
| 20:33.35 | youtah | just as a random fyi |
| 20:33.48 | youtah | you may now go back to your regular programming |
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| 20:35.32 | ElForesto | I'm personally a fan of IRV, even with its flaws. |
| 20:35.34 | unum | I'm having a really hard time being upset about this law |
| 20:35.59 | unum | I'm hoping to my employer will subsidize us on the exchanges |
| 20:36.06 | unum | I just need to figure out how that works |
| 20:36.50 | harleypig | If you don't have health insurance and you're not any of the exceptions you get the privilege of paying $500 - $1500, or more depending on your income, to not have health insurance. |
| 20:37.10 | eightyeight | so here's something about less(1) that you may or may not have been aware of: |
| 20:37.12 | harleypig | And you still don't get any benefit from it. |
| 20:37.31 | eightyeight | while in the pager, viewing a file, if there are lines you want removed from the display based on a <pattern>, type: |
| 20:37.37 | eightyeight | &!<pattern> |
| 20:37.50 | eightyeight | where "<pattern>" is a regular expression |
| 20:38.10 | harleypig | eightyeight: what kind of regex? |
| 20:38.14 | harleypig | pcre? |
| 20:38.19 | eightyeight | the other side of the coin, of course, is "&<pattern>", to only display the lines containing "<pattern>" |
| 20:38.30 | eightyeight | harleypig: yeah. less(1) is perl regex compatible, afaik |
| 20:38.35 | unum | that could be covienent |
| 20:38.42 | eightyeight | it's very nice |
| 20:39.53 | eightyeight | another text viewing tip is using 'fgrep <text>' or 'grep -F <text>' over 'grep <regex>' |
| 20:40.12 | eightyeight | the latter compiles the regex, even if it's a standard text string, then searches, which is slow |
| 20:40.28 | eightyeight | passing '-F' means to use 'fixed strings', or to treat the characters as literals |
| 20:40.35 | eightyeight | _substantially_ faster |
| 20:40.47 | youtah | ElForesto, IRV? |
| 20:42.31 | fugue88 | Instant Runoff Voting |
| 20:42.50 | fugue88 | https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Instant-runoff_voting |
| 20:42.53 | fugue88 | youtah: ^ |
| 20:43.36 | youtah | I have no idea what that means, will read |
| 20:43.54 | unum | someone tried to run the gates at the white house |
| 20:44.17 | youtah | yup |
| 20:44.20 | harleypig | fugue88: I have heard of it, even used it on occassion, but never associated it with political voting ... hmmm ... |
| 20:44.34 | youtah | So... basically a fancy coin toss? |
| 20:44.55 | youtah | just skimmed |
| 20:45.11 | harleypig | That's not what I got from it. |
| 20:45.14 | unum | it allows you to express preference |
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| 20:45.23 | youtah | will read again |
| 20:45.47 | unum | the american first past the post voting tends to enforce a two party system |
| 20:46.28 | unum | instant run off voting is one way to try and avoid that enforcement |
| 20:47.02 | unum | so fozzmoo could vote for the constitunalist, libertarian, then republican candidate |
| 20:47.55 | jsmith | unum: but not the "Radical Moderates" party? |
| 20:47.55 | fugue88 | w00t |
| 20:48.01 | unum | then all the votes are counted using the first prefence |
| 20:48.24 | youtah | interesting. So is someone calling for an IRV? |
| 20:48.29 | eightyeight | jsmith: what's the difference? :) |
| 20:48.32 | unum | Nader of course |
| 20:48.35 | jsmith | prefers range voting, even though it's slightly more complicated |
| 20:48.56 | jsmith | eightyeight: You're seriously asking the difference between a republican and a radical moderate? |
| 20:49.10 | unum | it's interesting to me that we seem to set up proportianal systems in the countries we take over |
| 20:49.15 | youtah | would that be free-range voting jsmith? Mooooooooooo |
| 20:49.15 | eightyeight | jsmith: see the ':)'? |
| 20:49.19 | youtah | will sit down now |
| 20:49.20 | eightyeight | jsmith: it's called a joke. |
| 20:49.34 | jsmith | eightyeight: Sorry, didn't see the <joke> tag :-p |
| 20:49.47 | eightyeight | i'll make sure i add it next time. |
| 20:49.48 | ElForesto | IRV basically lets you rank candidates in order of preference. If the highest vote-getting doesn't have a majority, the least popular gets bumped. People who had them as their top choice get their votes distributed to their second choice. Wash, rinse, repeat. |
| 20:49.57 | ElForesto | It eliminates the "wasted vote" problem. |
| 20:50.18 | unum | ElForesto thanks, I was trying to find a concise way of explaining it |
| 20:50.21 | unum | you way was better |
| 20:50.34 | unum | anyways speaking of wikipedia |
| 20:51.05 | jsmith | youtah: No, for range voting to work well, it has to have restricted ranges |
| 20:51.27 | fugue88 | *snort* |
| 20:51.56 | youtah | so corn fed..... |
| 20:51.59 | fugue88 | I mean, *moo*. |
| 20:52.07 | unum | I was teaching a college course on Tuesday and was talking about the importance of documentation as it relates to being a PC Tech |
| 20:52.24 | unum | I mentioned that I like to use dokuwiki(as recommened to me by eightyeight) |
| 20:52.33 | unum | I asked someone in the class to explain what a wiki is |
| 20:52.39 | unum | *silence* |
| 20:53.05 | unum | so I explained what a wiki was and someone asked if wikipedia was related to wikis |
| 20:53.06 | youtah | did you start with the wiki wiki in honolulu? |
| 20:53.12 | unum | youtah: yes |
| 20:53.32 | youtah | *face palm* << regarding wikis and wikipedia |
| 20:53.45 | unum | I pulled up a page on wikipedia and clicked the edit button, and showed them how I could change the article to say what I wanted |
| 20:53.58 | youtah | I still pronounce it "Wee Key Pee Dee Uh" |
| 20:54.04 | unum | to which some of my students said "so anyone can post anything, how do you know it's right? |
| 20:54.09 | eightyeight | <3 dokuwiki <notjoke> |
| 20:54.41 | unum | eightyeight: I've been very happy with it, thanks for the recommendation |
| 20:54.41 | youtah | Sounded like an incredible conversation persued unum |
| 20:54.47 | eightyeight | unum: np |
| 20:54.56 | youtah | *pursued |
| 20:55.07 | fozzmoo | Or ensued. |
| 20:55.34 | unum | some of these students have submitted multiple assignments using wikipedia as a reference |
| 20:55.50 | unum | and they had no idea... |
| 20:56.03 | youtah | yeah, one of those sued words |
| 20:56.32 | youtah | so... I always used the citations in the wiki articles. |
| 20:56.38 | fozzmoo | Well, you could say the same thing about using Encyclopedia Britanica. |
| 20:56.59 | fozzmoo | yeah. Citations are good. |
| 20:57.00 | youtah | although reading some of those references... "yoga-and-hippy-master.blogspot.com" |
| 20:57.12 | unum | I did tell them that in my experience wikipedia was atleast as good if not better than other sources |
| 20:57.28 | unum | but they should aware of how that information gets there |
| 20:57.47 | youtah | sounded like a healthy convo |
| 20:57.49 | unum | I also talked about the references, and checking them |
| 20:58.20 | unum | I mentioned editor locks as well |
| 20:58.53 | unum | I have the hardest time teaching. I've always been so involved in the tech world, I don't realize what other people don't know |
| 20:59.04 | youtah | I have found in a couple of places, where the information that was written in the wikipedia article, was kind of... skewed in comparison to it's source |
| 20:59.33 | unum | I should have pointed out the talk page |
| 20:59.51 | unum | but that wasn't really the topic |
| 21:00.09 | unum | though it is a useful wiki feature in somecase, a little over kill for my situation |
| 21:03.55 | unum | I had to explain the difference between a webapp and a desktop app |
| 21:09.40 | youtah | can I just tell you guys how much I love IPMI? |
| 21:10.38 | harleypig | If you love it so much, why don't you marry it? |
| 21:10.58 | harleypig | has a 10 year old he's been forced to listen to too much recently ... |
| 21:11.33 | youtah | lol |
| 21:19.06 | manithree | hates it when non-technical people call wikipedia "the wiki" |
| 21:19.34 | unum | I should create a wiki of terms the users use incorrectly |
| 21:19.52 | unum | that way I can check it to make sure I don't get mislead |
| 21:19.58 | harleypig | But they won't use it because it's not 'the wiki' |
| 21:20.06 | unum | had a long conversation where database meant interface and I didn't know it |
| 21:20.08 | manithree | AAAAAAAHHH |
| 21:22.58 | unum | manithree: have you had that conversation |
| 21:23.43 | manithree | unum: no, harleypig just hurt my ears. He said "the wiki" |
| 21:23.44 | youtah | Seriously you guys... IPMI is amazing |
| 21:23.48 | youtah | is writing IPMI scripts |
| 21:24.00 | youtah | *scripts using ipmitool |
| 21:24.24 | harleypig | What did I say about 'the wiki'? |
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| 21:24.45 | manithree | Ouch! He said it again! Now he's got me saying it! |
| 21:25.46 | youtah | quietly mumbles 'the wiki' and jumps behind harleypig |
| 21:25.59 | harleypig | You know what they call the Transformer's site right? 'the witwiki' |
| 21:27.08 | manithree | harleypig: maybe that's "the wiki" |
| 21:28.02 | harleypig | the witwiki is the wiki? |
| 21:28.50 | harleypig | the vessel with the pestle is has the brew that is true |
| 21:28.57 | harleypig | s/is// |
| 21:32.51 | unum | I use "the wiki" to reference the company wiki |
| 21:33.36 | manithree | unum: same here, but it's a department developer doc wiki |
| 21:37.12 | manithree | once at a soccer game and once at church I've heard people talk about reading articles on "the wiki." Neither my daughter's soccer team nor my ward have a wiki, and based on context, they meant wikipedia :-( |
| 21:37.33 | harleypig | well, it *is* the source of all knowledge |
| 21:38.06 | harleypig | until it's on 'the wiki' it's not real |
| 21:39.41 | youtah | is not on wikipedia yet... does this mean I'm not real? |
| 21:40.15 | harleypig | I'm not either ... I'm the boogeyman in your dreams. :> |
| 21:42.23 | youtah | So |
| 21:42.47 | youtah | I was invited to a Mission reunion, and I am looking at all the people in the Facebook invite list... |
| 21:42.52 | unum | hmmmm |
| 21:43.02 | youtah | Some of the sister missionaries are no longer sweet spirits |
| 21:43.26 | unum | there's this guy I've tried to help in the past, but he always has ideas that are bigger than I think he realizes |
| 21:43.49 | unum | I'm trying to figure out what it is he wants to do so I can explain how he can get there |
| 21:44.36 | unum | but it's hard, he's kind of vague about what he wants to do, not intentionally, he just doesn't realize the words he's using are concrete |
| 21:45.00 | unum | this is the situation that caused me to mention database |
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| 22:19.14 | keldwud | diff free and open bsd? |
| 22:19.21 | keldwud | I always think about using free |
| 22:19.35 | keldwud | but open seems to be more highly recommended |
| 22:24.06 | jlp_znc | keldwud: do you want performance or security? |
| 22:24.40 | keldwud | sec? |
| 22:24.51 | jlp_znc | then open |
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| 22:25.09 | keldwud | so free has better performance but less security? |
| 22:25.28 | jlp_znc | essentially, once there was BSD. then there was 386BSD. |
| 22:25.45 | jlp_znc | then there was netbsd, which exemplified (and still does) portability to many many architectures |
| 22:26.03 | jlp_znc | then some guys said "hey, let's take netbsd and make it really really good on x86 architecture" and FreeBSD was born |
| 22:26.52 | jlp_znc | and somewhere in there, a dude in Australia got offended and took netbsd and made openbsd because ... well, because he wanted to. and he emphasized security. |
| 22:27.24 | keldwud | yeah, I'm familiar with netbsd too |
| 22:27.43 | keldwud | well, not familiar with |
| 22:27.47 | keldwud | *aware of :) |
| 22:28.44 | keldwud | ok, the HWaddr listed in ifconfig is the real mac, right? |
| 22:29.10 | jlp_znc | well, unless someone changed it |
| 22:29.26 | jlp_znc | a lot of network hardware lets you override the MAC address with whatever you want. |
| 22:29.35 | jlp_znc | believe it or not, DECNET depends on this behavior. |
| 22:29.56 | jlp_znc | (probably why no one uses DECNET any more) |
| 22:30.02 | keldwud | well I either wrote down a MAC the wrong way or it was changed and now when I look at HWaddr, it isn't the same one as the one I wrote down |
| 22:30.23 | jlp_znc | unless you (or someone else) changed it, it should not change by itself. |
| 22:30.41 | jlp_znc | now, if you added a new interface to the machine, it's possible that it appeared ahead of the existing one(s) |
| 22:31.07 | jlp_znc | so the interface indicated by "eth0" might be different than it was before. |
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| 22:31.17 | jlp_znc | I think linux is better about this than it used to be, though. |
| 22:31.59 | keldwud | nah, I probably read the wrong handwritten entry, then |
| 22:32.10 | keldwud | human error way more likely to be true in this case :) |
| 22:32.36 | jlp_znc | :-) |
| 22:38.50 | youtah | I can hardly move because my gut is still full of so much deliciousness https://twitter.com/youtah/status/385825107920158720 |
| 22:39.43 | eightyeight | calling openbsd 'secure' is the same as calling a turned of computer secure |
| 22:40.03 | eightyeight | a required read: http://allthatiswrong.wordpress.com/2010/01/20/the-insecurity-of-openbsd/ |
| 22:40.46 | youtah | found his ham radio in an arts/ crafts/ pictures and frames moving box. |
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| 22:41.06 | youtah | my 5W |
| 22:41.16 | youtah | dremex_work.... welcome back |
| 22:44.13 | jlp_znc | eightyeight: sure, openbsd is definitely not "secure" in the DoD sense of the word, but it's better than a lot of things out there. |
| 22:45.10 | jlp_znc | if you really want a secure BSD, go with TrustedBSD |
| 22:45.31 | jlp_znc | and is DragonBSD still around? that was another spinoff from FreeBSD. |
| 22:45.48 | jlp_znc | (some more people who couldn't agree on what color the bike shed should be) |
| 22:47.19 | jlp_znc | disclaimer: I've been out of the bsd world for a while... not sure what the latest developments are. |
| 22:47.54 | eightyeight | the point of the article is that openbsd isn't really doing anything different than your standard run-of-the-mill linux distro |
| 22:48.02 | eightyeight | openbsd, on a default install, doesn't install any services |
| 22:48.26 | eightyeight | but, as soon as you install apache, you're just as vulnerable with openbsd as debian, for the same apache version |
| 22:48.37 | eightyeight | and, openbsd ignores MAC |
| 22:49.15 | dremex_work | youtah, thanks, pesky kernel panics |
| 22:49.37 | eightyeight | with centos, for example, you get selinux, which greatly hardens the system well beyond anything openbsd could provide |
| 22:49.53 | eightyeight | or ubuntu with apparmor |
| 22:49.57 | eightyeight | or debian with grsecurity |
| 22:49.59 | eightyeight | etc |
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| 22:54.40 | jlp_znc | http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Security-evaluated_operating_system <- according to "the wiki" :-) |
| 22:57.00 | jlp_znc | interesting fact... the GEMSOS mentioned in that list was developed by Roger Schell, who was the father of my best man. I suppose he still is, actually. |
| 22:58.17 | jlp_znc | GEMSOS ran on a piece of x86-based hardware that presented two separate machines in one box... one for secure data/networks and one for insecure, so people would only have to have one machine on their desk. |
| 22:59.08 | jlp_znc | it achieved A1 security level, mathematically proven to be secure. |
| 22:59.18 | jlp_znc | (or so I was told) |
| 23:11.29 | jlp_znc | hmmm, I just got an e-mail with the subject "Accamulate energy for longer nailing". I have some nailing to do next weekend (gotta put up a couple of shelves on the wall and fix a bookcase that has been trying to fall apart)... if only I knew what "Accamulating" was. |
| 23:39.43 | youtah | OH CRAP! http://stream.wsj.com/story/latest-headlines/SS-2-63399/SS-2-345583/ My credit card information!!! |
| 23:45.22 | ldav15 | Too bad some of the FBI guys are furloughed... |
| 23:52.40 | youtah | the cops responding to the capitol I heard were also working without a paycheck |
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