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| 02:36.45 | *** topic/#utah is Utah related discussion including user groups | logs @ http://ibot.rikers.org/%23utah/ | See also ##lds | OpenWest Conference sometime 2014! openwest.org | https://fiber.google.com/cities/provo/ |
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| 05:04.45 | jxqz | pashdown: my brother's up there |
| 05:04.59 | jxqz | might not be out of his scope |
| 05:05.34 | jxqz | wait, someone's living in Brigham and is on dialup? |
| 05:05.38 | jxqz | heh |
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| 10:01.32 | jxqz | levi: I'm using emacs |
| 10:01.35 | jxqz | :) |
| 10:01.52 | jxqz | I mean, not by choice or for reals or anything |
| 10:02.20 | jxqz | just helping someone figure out how to make it work |
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| 14:57.03 | keldwud | rsimpkins: how much money would we lose if we shut down various NSA programs and/or reduced military conquests by even a tiny fraction? |
| 14:58.04 | Jayce^ | in 2011, dropping both iraq and afghanistan would have funded the govt for a few days |
| 14:58.40 | keldwud | you mean they would have *made* money? |
| 14:58.45 | keldwud | instead of lost more money? |
| 14:58.48 | keldwud | that's absurd! |
| 14:58.57 | keldwud | no wonder they don't cut programs like that |
| 14:59.03 | keldwud | ;) |
| 14:59.15 | keldwud | at what point should I start being scared? |
| 14:59.51 | keldwud | I haven't had a chance to get a new passport. and I don't have a bachelor's so scandinavian countries wouldn't accept me. not to mention I don't have money saved up to get out. |
| 15:04.08 | Migs | http://www.nydailynews.com/entertainment/music-arts/author-tom-clancy-dead-66-article-1.1473782 |
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| 15:29.14 | keldwud | what mountains are those, youtah? |
| 15:36.19 | levi | jxqz: Um, good for you? |
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| 15:59.51 | keldwud | hmm.. anybody ever have a use for a diskless remote boot loader? |
| 16:04.51 | levi | Lots of uses for those. |
| 16:05.16 | youtah | keldwud, the one I tweeted? |
| 16:05.22 | levi | Thin clients, clusters, server farms, desktop deployments... |
| 16:05.58 | youtah | You're looking at the range between Big and Little Cottonwood Canyon. |
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| 16:10.25 | youtah | we're being bombarded by a massive electromagnetic storm.... reached 7.76KP last night. http://www.softservenews.com/en/aurora-borealis-breaking-news/north-america-gets-northern-lights-show300017.html |
| 16:24.02 | youtah | Heh, another group/wave of WWII Vets just bypassed the WWII Memorial this morning |
| 16:24.04 | youtah | http://www.foxnews.com/us/2013/10/02/new-wave-wwii-veterans-move-barricades-to-access-dc-memorial/?intcmp=latestnews |
| 16:25.18 | keldwud | which gui do I want to try in fedora? |
| 16:25.20 | keldwud | gnome, kde, lxde, xfce? |
| 16:25.41 | youtah | I think kde is standard with fedora |
| 16:25.44 | youtah | I hate KDE |
| 16:25.47 | keldwud | I enjoyed the minimalist interface of xfce in xubuntu back in 2010 |
| 16:25.51 | youtah | I am also hating the knew gnome |
| 16:25.56 | goozbach | <PROTECTED> |
| 16:26.01 | youtah | oh is it? |
| 16:26.03 | goozbach | I'd go with lxde |
| 16:26.08 | goozbach | last I checked it was |
| 16:26.17 | keldwud | what was default with pre 12.04? |
| 16:26.25 | keldwud | *ubuntu |
| 16:26.30 | youtah | yeah, try xfce and lxde |
| 16:26.42 | keldwud | what's lxde like? |
| 16:26.48 | keldwud | I can remember xfce |
| 16:26.59 | keldwud | I used xfce in a couple different distros and liked it |
| 16:27.11 | keldwud | but the purpose of me trying fedora is to also try new things |
| 16:27.18 | keldwud | so yeah, I'll try lxde |
| 16:27.22 | youtah | ah |
| 16:27.36 | youtah | do a google image search of lxde |
| 16:28.00 | keldwud | good call |
| 16:28.09 | youtah | I'm looking at them now |
| 16:28.36 | keldwud | oh cool. I found some lxde vs xfce images |
| 16:30.01 | keldwud | if you had to choose between Gnome or KDE for opensuse, which would you use? |
| 16:30.12 | rsimpkins | keldwud: Good question. I don't know the answer, but I like that you are asking the question. I think it probably depends. Between $1 and $1,000,000,000,000.00. |
| 16:30.24 | keldwud | lol |
| 16:30.56 | keldwud | over the next couple months I want to play with many of the "mainstream" distros |
| 16:30.57 | youtah | gnome if I had to choose |
| 16:31.01 | keldwud | and desktop environments |
| 16:31.14 | keldwud | so that I can be more versatile |
| 16:31.47 | keldwud | hmm. maybe I should blog my experiences while trying out the different distros and desktop environments |
| 16:31.59 | keldwud | so that I can refer back to my documentation later :) |
| 16:35.45 | ElForesto | As long as you're in an experimental mood, give BSD a shot. I've found it to be quite nice. |
| 16:38.29 | keldwud | mmmm FreeBSD :) |
| 16:38.30 | keldwud | <3 |
| 16:38.46 | keldwud | almost forgot about BSD |
| 16:39.07 | ElForesto | It's used to being forgotten by now. :P |
| 16:39.18 | keldwud | crunchbang. anybody use it? |
| 16:45.55 | goozbach | keldwud: heard good things |
| 16:46.13 | goozbach | bsd is nice |
| 16:46.20 | goozbach | if you want to go hardcore give plan9 a try |
| 16:46.29 | goozbach | or plan9p |
| 16:47.50 | tima | hmm anyone knows where i can donate a bunch of video games for some tax credit |
| 16:49.21 | keldwud | humblebundle? |
| 16:49.38 | goozbach | humblebundle! |
| 16:50.12 | ElForesto | Child's Play? http://www.childsplaycharity.org/ |
| 16:51.40 | tima | child's play is more likely, i know that they dont accept the games themselves but i didnt realize they had a list of hospitals that accept them directly |
| 16:55.59 | keldwud | I concur with child's play then |
| 16:56.09 | keldwud | sounds like a great idea |
| 16:58.27 | goozbach | ohh I mis-read that |
| 16:58.35 | goozbach | childsplay |
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| 17:06.33 | keldwud | silkroad owner got raided by the feds |
| 17:06.57 | tima | yup |
| 17:07.05 | keldwud | nobody wants an unregulated economy operating rogue or anything |
| 17:07.16 | keldwud | because morals, amirite!? |
| 17:07.31 | keldwud | without regulation, people could be immoral, and being immoral is against the law |
| 17:07.37 | keldwud | <PROTECTED> |
| 17:07.42 | unum | silk road was shut down and the founder was arrested for money laundering |
| 17:07.49 | tima | well he did put out a hit on some people and other shit |
| 17:07.51 | tima | http://www.theverge.com/2013/10/2/4794780/fbi-seizes-underground-drug-market-silk-road-owner-indicted-in-new |
| 17:07.54 | ldav15 | keldwud: I recommend KDE for openSUSE. I haven't tried GNOME in that environment I'll admit. I have tried LXDE, XFCE, and WindowMaker with openSUSE on a very old laptop (which will only work with those environments). Those were OK, too. |
| 17:07.54 | unum | oh |
| 17:07.55 | unum | oops |
| 17:07.58 | unum | should have read the backlog |
| 17:08.28 | keldwud | ldav15: thanks :) |
| 17:08.37 | tima | i just want steamOS + terminal |
| 17:08.42 | keldwud | mmm |
| 17:08.48 | keldwud | steamOS and a terminal sounds sexy |
| 17:08.58 | keldwud | yeah, I only need a gui for games anyway |
| 17:09.07 | unum | also charged with a couple of conspriacy charges |
| 17:09.09 | keldwud | all my management gets done through CLI |
| 17:09.34 | keldwud | unum: that's because he was running a market / economy outside of control / regulation |
| 17:09.36 | tima | i do all my work on tmux + vim heh |
| 17:09.43 | keldwud | they're going to try and make him an example |
| 17:09.52 | keldwud | won't be much longer til they go after bitcoin |
| 17:09.56 | keldwud | and alternate forms of currency |
| 17:10.01 | unum | keldwud: no it's because he was running a market for drugs and computer crimes |
| 17:10.05 | keldwud | ahh |
| 17:10.14 | keldwud | :) |
| 17:10.58 | unum | you really believe he would have been charged if he all he sold was clothing? |
| 17:11.02 | unum | or books |
| 17:11.18 | keldwud | in that case, alternate currencies and economies should be fine :) |
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| 17:46.47 | Heartsbane | Does anyone know how to browse EPEL for older RPM packages? |
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| 18:07.47 | jsmith | Heartsbane: Why would you want to? |
| 18:08.31 | goozbach | Heartsbane: you can do a yum list for older packages if they're still in the repo |
| 18:19.49 | youtah | $98,670 for an outhouse http://cnsnews.com/news/article/eric-scheiner/open-business-govt-erect-98670-outhouse |
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| 18:27.29 | Mikie | brb need wendy's |
| 18:30.54 | youtah | mmmmmmmm |
| 18:31.04 | youtah | Spicy chicken nuggets with Sweet N Sour Sauce |
| 18:46.25 | ldav15 | youtah: There's nothing there (63.038055,-145.877067), so of course it's going to cost $$$. |
| 18:46.56 | Mikie | I went for a chicken sandwich. lol |
| 18:47.46 | Mikie | not bad. needed chztho |
| 18:51.34 | Mikie | anybody in here from utah county? |
| 18:54.43 | Mikie | guess not. any other good channels here? |
| 18:57.42 | youtah | There are several of us Mikie that are from Utah county |
| 18:57.47 | youtah | or work in Utah County |
| 18:57.55 | youtah | they're probably all at lunch |
| 19:00.02 | Mikie | I am trying to find ppl to chat with that can relate. I have talked with ppl from all around the world, but we can never really relate to one another. |
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| 19:00.55 | youtah | relate in regards to religion? location? tech? industry? etc? |
| 19:01.12 | youtah | I live in UT County, work in SL County |
| 19:01.43 | Mikie | pretty much all of it. Most of the people I once knew have moved away. |
| 19:03.58 | Mikie | so in the market for new friends. lol |
| 19:04.24 | keldwud | Mikie: I'm always down for new friends |
| 19:04.31 | keldwud | I live and work in UT county |
| 19:04.46 | keldwud | what kind of lifestyle do you choose to live? |
| 19:05.06 | keldwud | I smoke and drink and hang out with my five year old |
| 19:05.10 | keldwud | but... |
| 19:05.14 | keldwud | not necessarily in that order |
| 19:05.34 | keldwud | I'm also heavily into geek culture |
| 19:07.44 | Mikie | I am a pretty out going person. I don't judge. I am always up for something new. I don't smoke, but almost everyone I hang with does. I do enjoy a good drink. I don't have any kids (yet). But have 5 brothers and 7 sisters. And when it comes to geek culture, I do what I can to fit in. |
| 19:21.25 | Heartsbane | jsmith: because there is a bug in the new package |
| 19:21.47 | Heartsbane | I don't want to wait around a for a fix |
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| 19:53.57 | Mikie | I'm bored. ppl talk to me |
| 19:55.55 | rog3r | Hi Mikie. I'm bored too. Doing my budget for October, but not very fun. |
| 19:56.11 | Mikie | yeah budgets can be that way. |
| 19:56.28 | Mikie | I am still trying to figure out what I am going to do for my birthday and budget that in. |
| 19:56.58 | rog3r | what are some of the ideas you have so far? |
| 19:57.50 | Mikie | Vegas, Florida vaction, or just party it up with friends. |
| 19:58.15 | rog3r | wow, that does sound like a good birthday gift |
| 19:58.38 | Mikie | Yeah, I just don't know which one to do yet. |
| 19:59.11 | Mikie | I have driven through Vegas, but never actually stayed. And I have only ever gambled in Wendover. |
| 19:59.27 | Mikie | I have been to Florida, but not the beach areas. |
| 19:59.38 | rog3r | so much to see |
| 19:59.45 | Mikie | And hanging with friends, well that can be a bust at times. |
| 19:59.50 | rog3r | yeah |
| 20:00.46 | Mikie | I wouldn't mind going to the beach. I haven't been to a beach in almost 4 years. |
| 20:01.14 | rog3r | I imagine it would be nice there this time of year |
| 20:02.03 | Mikie | It would be nice to go boogy boarding again. |
| 20:02.32 | Mikie | Have you been to Florida? |
| 20:02.35 | rog3r | not to mention so many beautiful women |
| 20:02.51 | rog3r | I have, but like you, not for the beach. |
| 20:03.20 | Mikie | That is true. classy ready for a ball, but shorts that say "there might be a bbq" lol |
| 20:03.56 | rog3r | hehe |
| 20:05.32 | Mikie | Why did you go to Florida? |
| 20:06.16 | rog3r | I was on my way to Ft Lauderdale for a cruise. |
| 20:06.53 | rog3r | I checked out Coral Castle and some forts, but thats about it |
| 20:07.17 | Mikie | Nice. I have always wanted to go on a cruise, but honestly don't have the balls to do it. lol I have issues with large bodies of water. I can swim in the shallow part of the beach, but that's as far as it goes. ha ha |
| 20:08.02 | rog3r | hehe, to each their own. Telephones scare me for some reason. I think because I got in so much trouble when I was 11 for calling those sex hotlines. |
| 20:08.36 | Mikie | I think we all had our troubles when we were 11. That is a very bad age for boys. |
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| 20:08.58 | rog3r | so true |
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| 20:09.19 | goozbach | I got in trouble at 13-14 for a telephone incident, it turned out my computer was dialing a BBS long distance :( |
| 20:09.53 | rog3r | oh man, and long distance costs were really high not long ago |
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| 20:10.56 | Mikie | I got caught doing something when I was 11, and again when I was 14. So pretty much my entire puberty years were trouble. lol |
| 20:11.41 | Mikie | Nothing too bad, just enough that my parents got really upset. |
| 20:12.51 | goozbach | anyone else get in on the steambox beta? |
| 20:13.30 | Mikie | I am not sure what that is. |
| 20:13.42 | Jayce^ | I have done the requirements.. but who knows if I'll get one :) |
| 20:15.42 | Mikie | ok yeah, I have heard of it, and my buddy showed me, but I did't do anything with it. |
| 20:15.49 | Mikie | Is it good? |
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| 21:22.43 | Mikie | anybody up for a chat? |
| 21:24.56 | goozbach | we're all pretty randomly avaliable, most of us at work |
| 21:25.09 | goozbach | what brings you to #utah? |
| 21:25.51 | Mikie | Just looking throught the channels and seen this one. Figured it would be a good place to start. I am relatively new to Mirc. Still learning the ropes. |
| 21:26.37 | rog3r | I'm using the weechat-curses IRC client. Kinda fun doing old-school chat. |
| 21:27.31 | goozbach | love me some weechat |
| 21:27.54 | Mikie | I think I used it once. But still lost. lol |
| 21:27.58 | goozbach | running it under tmux for the ability to reconnect |
| 21:28.18 | rog3r | ah, so you have it running on a server and pickup from wherever with tmux |
| 21:29.39 | goozbach | yeah |
| 21:29.45 | goozbach | on my phone or whatev |
| 21:31.15 | rog3r | very cool |
| 21:32.57 | rog3r | say, have you figured a way to be logged into Jabber and be able to pickup conversations from multiple locations at once? like znc does with IRC? |
| 21:33.18 | goozbach | I use bitlbee inside of weechat |
| 21:33.24 | goozbach | bitlbee is an IM/IRC bridge |
| 21:34.20 | mrpull | goozbach: when you say "anyone else", does that mean you are in? |
| 21:34.30 | mrpull | goozbach: (the steambox beta) |
| 21:36.29 | rog3r | i also use the bitlbee plugin to weechat. I just still have the problem where I never know which PC the Jabber messages will end up on. |
| 21:36.44 | rog3r | maybe I should just do it on a server in a tmux or screen like you do. |
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| 21:37.44 | KingMichael | Is there any web design/web dev companies that don't require college and provides on the job train in salt lake |
| 21:38.05 | KingMichael | training* |
| 21:38.36 | Mikie | I don't know of any in SLC but there are quite a few in the Provo/Orem area |
| 21:39.33 | jxqz | levi: I guess emacs isn't so bad |
| 21:39.36 | jxqz | :) |
| 21:40.16 | goozbach | mrpull: in the pool of potiential beta testers (sorry for the abiguity) |
| 21:40.36 | KingMichael | orem wouldn't be to bad |
| 21:40.49 | Mikie | They have frontrunner. |
| 21:41.49 | ElForesto | Even driving isn't horrible. I did Sandy -> Lindon in about 30 minutes for a while. |
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| 21:42.31 | jxqz | frontrunner is cheaper than driving |
| 21:42.42 | jxqz | if you can make it work |
| 21:42.59 | ElForesto | Usually, yes. It wasn't going when I had to be down there. :P |
| 21:43.02 | Mikie | I know a guy that lived in Eureka, Utah and drove to Bountiful and back every day. |
| 21:45.02 | goozbach | blink blink |
| 21:45.25 | jxqz | that's like $50 of commuting every day |
| 21:45.51 | jxqz | 100 mi*0.5 $/mi |
| 21:46.11 | Mikie | yeah they were spending up to $400 a week on gas. |
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| 21:46.49 | ElForesto | That's insanulous. |
| 21:47.18 | Mikie | KingMichael - Here is a list of places in Provo/Orem Utah that don't require college. StoresOnline |
| 21:47.18 | Mikie | <PROTECTED> |
| 21:47.18 | Mikie | <PROTECTED> |
| 21:47.18 | Mikie | <PROTECTED> |
| 21:47.23 | jxqz | the IRS standard business mile deduction is like about $0.53/mile or something |
| 21:48.16 | Mikie | It's crazy. I mean comutting 30 minutes is usual for me, but that just blows my mind that someone would do that. |
| 21:48.59 | Mikie | commuting* |
| 21:49.16 | goozbach | jxqz: doesnt' count for daily commute however |
| 21:49.40 | KingMichael | mikie thank you |
| 21:49.40 | ElForesto | I remember reading about one guy who commutes, daily, from Yosemite to the south bay. It's 3.5 hours each way. |
| 21:49.50 | KingMichael | is tired of working retail |
| 21:50.14 | goozbach | ElForesto: how do you do that? |
| 21:50.20 | goozbach | when do you sleep? |
| 21:50.32 | ElForesto | The dude apparently listens to a LOT of audiobooks. |
| 21:50.39 | jxqz | at $4/gallon, car fuel works out to be $0.12/mile depending on fuel efficiency, the rest is car maintenance, which works out to be justified if you buy a (relatively) new car and take it to the delux places to have it serviced |
| 21:51.13 | jxqz | goozbach: yes, but I'm just using that as a reference for travel by car cost |
| 21:51.45 | ElForesto | You can read more about that crazy commute on The Register: http://www.theregister.co.uk/2006/04/13/cisco_commute/ |
| 21:53.04 | jxqz | so, 75 miles between bountiful and eureka, you'd end up with $75*2*0.5 = $75 per day of commuting cost |
| 21:53.32 | jxqz | plus spending that much time in your vehicle during precious wakeful hours lost |
| 21:54.04 | jxqz | personal time being anywhere to $120 to $300/hour |
| 21:54.12 | Mikie | I don't think I could handle that much driving time every day. crazy. KingMichael - yw |
| 21:55.09 | jxqz | the way most people use cars is bogglingly inefficient and wasteful |
| 21:56.15 | jxqz | Mikie: interesting that you say 30 minutes, because the 30 minute commute ideal is common across all cultures and time |
| 21:56.37 | jxqz | the phenomenon is named after some Italian guy that I can't remember |
| 21:58.24 | Mikie | That is a bit of information that I enjoy. Those not quite so random pieces that few know. |
| 21:59.07 | youtah | I didn't go it |
| 21:59.14 | youtah | s/go/do/ |
| 21:59.27 | jxqz | ~blame youtah nevertheless |
| 21:59.27 | infobot | ACTION blames youtah nevertheless (and Canada) for all the evil in the world |
| 21:59.38 | youtah | ROFL |
| 21:59.56 | youtah | ~bacon |
| 21:59.56 | infobot | hmm... bacon is a filling substance which will make you even fatter than you already are... Take my advice, bacon is a food for the gods or for underweight models such as that McBeal chick... |
| 22:00.26 | youtah | Mmmmmmm Ally McBeal |
| 22:00.39 | youtah | actually never watched that show |
| 22:02.20 | youtah | http://i.imgur.com/J4Wn8L7.gif |
| 22:03.03 | Mikie | those looked painful. |
| 22:03.30 | youtah | and yet so funny at the same time |
| 22:03.41 | youtah | satisfyingly so |
| 22:04.05 | KingMichael | has every one watch the finale Braking bad? |
| 22:04.12 | youtah | I have!!! |
| 22:04.23 | youtah | Although I am not sure if there is anyone else in here that is still trying to catch up |
| 22:04.24 | rog3r | ...when it gets to netflix... :( |
| 22:04.40 | youtah | You can watch it on their website, Amazon also has it |
| 22:04.41 | ElForesto | Yup. |
| 22:04.41 | Mikie | I was kinda upset. |
| 22:04.53 | youtah | ~Spoilers |
| 22:04.57 | Mikie | but it was good. |
| 22:05.00 | youtah | ~spoiler |
| 22:05.00 | infobot | extra, extra, read all about it, spoiler is Dexter kills Ironman!!!!1 |
| 22:05.10 | rog3r | lol |
| 22:05.17 | rog3r | Dexter kills Ironman?! |
| 22:05.20 | rog3r | lol |
| 22:05.26 | youtah | Seriously, can I mention a spoiler in here? |
| 22:05.34 | rog3r | sure |
| 22:05.35 | Mikie | now that he had the piece removed it would be easier to stab in the chest. |
| 22:05.36 | *** part/#utah rog3r (~roger@c-67-182-208-110.hsd1.ut.comcast.net) |
| 22:05.52 | youtah | actually, go to ##breakingbad |
| 22:06.00 | youtah | just in case |
| 22:06.14 | youtah | there is one part that I have a serious issue with, regarding the ending |
| 22:07.50 | youtah | or not.... no one followed me |
| 22:10.35 | ElForesto | Some of us work, dude. |
| 22:13.54 | Mikie | Youtah - i am assuimg twitter right? |
| 22:14.37 | youtah | Mikie, no the channel ##BreakingBad |
| 22:14.42 | youtah | I just wrote my thoughts, I am done now |
| 23:06.40 | *** part/#utah Mikie (Mikie@c-67-177-8-101.hsd1.ut.comcast.net) |
| 23:48.22 | jxqz | well |
| 23:48.25 | jxqz | everyone leaves |
| 23:50.19 | ldav15 | not yet. |
| 23:51.13 | jxqz | I'll be here all night |
| 23:51.36 | jxqz | expounding |
| 23:56.42 | ldav15 | If I get back to my computer tonight, I'll be typing random junk into it. Or writing Perl. I forget which. |
| 23:56.45 | ldav15 | NN. |
