| 00:00.15 | youtah | Looks like a good lightning storm could be brewing up out by Urda |
| 00:00.18 | youtah | Erda |
| 00:01.33 | shalkie | ~md5 42 |
| 00:01.34 | youtah | lol |
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| 00:01.48 | youtah | nice Heisenberg |
| 00:01.54 | harleypig_ | ~sha1 42 |
| 00:01.59 | harleypig_ | feh |
| 00:02.20 | KingMichael | Its taking i wanted to register it |
| 00:02.41 | youtah | what about walterwhite? |
| 00:03.08 | walterwhite | nope taken too |
| 00:03.11 | youtah | dangit |
| 00:03.18 | youtah | must have been some 14yo kid |
| 00:03.46 | shalkie | GraceHopper or Ada Lovelace? |
| 00:04.01 | youtah | LOL |
| 00:04.16 | youtah | no no no.... SomeOfThatBlueStuff |
| 00:05.39 | shalkie | Oh! DrDemento! |
| 00:05.45 | shalkie | is sure someone took that one. |
| 00:06.57 | shalkie | Well that was fun for about 5 minutes. |
| 00:07.08 | shalkie | walks away |
| 00:07.33 | youtah | http://imgur.com/gallery/hO4N8gM |
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| 00:20.57 | DrProton | ah shit |
| 00:21.15 | DrProton | did something stupid |
| 00:21.32 | DrProton | sets head on desk |
| 00:21.35 | harleypig_ | became a doctor? |
| 00:21.43 | harleypig_ | Or tried to be a beam of l ight? |
| 00:21.46 | DrProton | lol could be part of it |
| 00:25.37 | youtah | heh.... |
| 00:25.38 | youtah | http://imgur.com/gallery/lYSYnNN |
| 00:25.46 | youtah | I'd probably say I am #TeamSaul |
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| 00:49.02 | jxqz | ~spoiler |
| 00:49.02 | infobot | hmm... spoiler is HARRY IS VOLDEMORT!!!!1 |
| 00:49.11 | jxqz | love that one |
| 00:49.13 | jxqz | :) |
| 00:51.25 | jxqz | ~pirate |
| 00:51.26 | infobot | So forgive me my rough mood unaccustomed to sue; I woo not, perhaps, as your landlubbers do. |
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| 03:50.42 | harleypig_ | I know this has been discussed before, but I never really had a need for it. How do I setup my windows box at my office so I can connect to it from home (or elsewhere)? |
| 03:51.14 | harleypig_ | I know it involves vnc server on my office box, a ssh tunnel to a third party server (like my linode) and something else |
| 03:51.27 | harleypig_ | But I don't know how to setup a tunnel in windows |
| 04:00.47 | Tene | harleypig_: putty can do it; there's a tunnels section in the settings dialog |
| 04:01.06 | Tene | you want a remote tunnel, because from the windows side you're tunneling from a remote port, to a local port. |
| 04:02.19 | harleypig_ | So, the host name field would have the remote server I want to be able to connect to as a proxy? E.g., harleypig.com ... |
| 04:12.40 | harleypig_ | I seem to remember (but I could be wrong) I way to setup my windows box in the office to tunnel to a headless host on the internet somewhere and listen on a port on that server for incoming connections. Specifically for vnc, but I can't find anything describing this. |
| 04:14.09 | levi | harleypig_: If you're using putty, it's fairly easy to get it to forward a remote listening port to a listening port on your Windows machine. So launch a VNC server on the Windows machine (be sure it's set up to do authentication!) and do the port-forwarding for the port VNC is listening on. |
| 04:22.12 | Tene | harleypig_: the host name field, for a remote forward, is the host name on the local network to connect to, presumably localhost |
| 04:22.44 | Tene | harleypig_: let me know if you want me to walk you through it step-by-step; a little busy on a phone call ATM. |
| 04:25.48 | harleypig_ | ok, thanks |
| 04:29.25 | harleypig_ | The hostname is localhost and the port is the port vnc is listening on? |
| 04:35.29 | levi | It's been long enough that I can't remember the ssh details, sorry. |
| 04:35.38 | harleypig_ | :] np |
| 04:46.32 | Tene | harleypig_: Yes. |
| 04:50.15 | harleypig_ | Hmm ... I'm confused. In the session section, under host name I have 'localhost' and the port is 5900. In the Conection->SSH->Tunnel section I have R5900 harleypig.com:5900 |
| 04:51.26 | Tene | harleypig_: Sounds like I wasn't very clear. :) |
| 04:51.42 | Tene | harleypig_: In the session section, you list the host that you want ssh to connect to, which would be harleypig.com |
| 04:52.09 | Tene | Assuming that you're going to ssh to harleypig.com, and later connect from there to get back in |
| 04:52.19 | harleypig_ | Or I'm being dense. :] Ok, so the session section would be as a normal connection. |
| 04:52.20 | harleypig_ | Right. |
| 04:52.47 | Tene | In the tunnels section you want to set up a remote tunnel. The remote port is the port that ssh is going to listen on harleypig.com, so that's the R5900 |
| 04:53.07 | Tene | The other host and port for the remote tunnel is what you want ssh to connect it to from the client side, so localhost:5900 |
| 04:53.34 | Tene | So when a connection comes in on 5900 on harleypig.com, it'll be redirected on the client side of your putty session to localhost:5900 |
| 04:53.54 | harleypig_ | So the forwarded ports should loook like R5900 localhost:5900 ? |
| 04:55.23 | Tene | Yes. |
| 04:56.33 | harleypig_ | Ok ... I have the autologin field set to my username and the ppk file selected for the auth section so I can just double click on the saved connection. |
| 04:56.44 | harleypig_ | Is it supposed to go to a command prompt? |
| 04:56.53 | harleypig_ | on the remote machine |
| 04:57.07 | harleypig_ | Or am I getting ahead of myself? |
| 04:57.23 | Tene | Yes, it's supposed to go to a command prompt on the remote machine. |
| 04:57.42 | Tene | You can go somewhere else in the config to disable that and tell it to tunnel only, but most people rarely bother. |
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| 04:59.03 | Tene | You should also be aware that it will only listen to local connections on harleypig.com, so you'll also have to do some tunneling with vnc, unless you're actually running harleypig.com on your desktop. Your vnc client probably has a 'via' or other kind of tunneling config pretty easy, though. |
| 04:59.46 | harleypig_ | harleypig.com is on a linode. |
| 05:00.03 | harleypig_ | and that explains why I can't connect to harleypig.com:5900 |
| 05:00.19 | Tene | Yes. |
| 05:00.50 | Tene | You can set some options in the ssh server on harleypig.com to permit letting the world connect, but it's probably easier to just also tunnel on your client. |
| 05:01.11 | harleypig_ | So, I'm confused again ... |
| 05:01.41 | harleypig_ | When I'm at home, I'll need to tell my vnc viewer to tunnel to harleypig.com and connect from there? |
| 05:02.38 | Tene | Yes. |
| 05:03.07 | harleypig_ | argh :/ i don't see any thing in the tightvnc viewer setup that allows me to tunnel |
| 05:03.32 | harleypig_ | though, I suppose I could use putty somehow and have vnc connect to a port locally ... |
| 05:05.10 | harleypig_ | However, I will need to, in the future be able to connect from arbitrary locations. Can you give me apointer to docs on how to setup my sshd to allow direct connections to port 5900? |
| 05:07.25 | Tene | Yes. If you set GatewayPorts to "yes" in sshd_config, it will do what you want, as long as your firewall permits it. |
| 05:07.29 | Tene | also restart sshd |
| 05:07.52 | harleypig_ | right. And thanks for the help. I really appreciate it. |
| 05:08.40 | Tene | No worries. |
| 05:09.36 | Tene | Some people will object to the security implications of all forwards being global like that, and recommend that you instead set GatewayPorts=clientspecified and then change your tunnel configs in putty to explicitly request a gateway forward, which I don't remember how to do exactly; I think there's a checkbox or something. |
| 05:09.48 | Tene | I expect you probably don't care. :) |
| 05:11.37 | harleypig_ | :] Nope ... well, I do, but not enough to take the time tonight. |
| 05:12.07 | harleypig_ | And when I tried to connect to harleypig.com:5900 with my vncviewer I got the loopback connections not allowed, so it's working. Thanks! |
| 05:12.28 | harleypig_ | And with that, I'm going home and studying for my test. *sigh* |
| 05:12.30 | Tene | You're probably the only person who would open tunnels there anyway, and you're in charge of the firewall, so it probably doesn't matter. |
| 05:12.33 | Tene | Seeya. |
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| 15:06.06 | Migs | @media (max-width: 799px:) { body: { background: url(sfw.jpg); } } @media (width: 800px:) { body: { background: url(nsfw.jpg); } } @media (min-width: 801px:) { body: { background: url(sfw.jpg); } } |
| 15:07.37 | vantastic | lol. reminds me of fight club |
| 15:09.02 | vantastic | splicing a single nsfw frame into a movie |
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| 18:47.06 | harleypig_ | Anyone looking for cobol work? I've got a recruiter hitting me up. |
| 18:48.07 | jlp_znc | ick |
| 18:48.42 | Migs | wow |
| 18:48.49 | Migs | nothx |
| 18:49.07 | harleypig_ | I haven't touched cobol in ... woah ... more than 10 years now |
| 18:49.53 | skrike | is the recruiter from the past? |
| 18:49.56 | jlp_znc | I haven't touched it since... 1985-ish, maybe. and I never really learned it, just helped people with it in the lab. |
| 18:50.19 | jlp_znc | I could read it... wouldn't try to write it myself. |
| 18:50.37 | skrike | "Need people to go back in time to fix y2k errors, TARDIS provided, paid in 1999 dollars." |
| 18:50.47 | keldwud | howabout google stock? |
| 18:50.50 | harleypig_ | skrike: heh, no. You'd be surprised (and probably scared) at how many banks and other financial institutions still use cobol. |
| 18:50.59 | skrike | yeah they had a thing on NPR about it the other day |
| 18:51.19 | skrike | they were saying the same thing back in 99 too. "wow this language is hella old but everyone still uses it" |
| 18:51.23 | skrike | 15 years later... |
| 18:51.24 | harleypig_ | They're willing to pay a whopping $55/hr for it ... |
| 18:51.28 | harleypig_ | ummm ... no thanks. |
| 18:51.42 | goozbach | wowh |
| 18:51.51 | keldwud | in high school, one of my teachers tried telling me the lucrativeness of learning COBOL |
| 18:51.54 | goozbach | anyone using coblol now days should be willing to spend $$$$ |
| 18:51.57 | keldwud | I almost listened to him |
| 18:52.01 | keldwud | but then I got high |
| 18:52.13 | keldwud | he also tried getting me to learn ladder logic |
| 18:52.25 | keldwud | he was a good teacher |
| 18:52.41 | harleypig_ | Did he offer special one on one time with you too? |
| 18:53.00 | keldwud | we had a little "play area" where he just left out a bunch of electronics kits, pneumatic kits with solenoids and stuff, computer programming books |
| 18:53.08 | keldwud | it was all "free play" |
| 18:53.10 | keldwud | was just a lab |
| 18:53.26 | keldwud | and you could come in whenever you wanted and play with whatever you wanted for however long you wanted |
| 18:53.36 | keldwud | harleypig_: actually yeah, he did. he gave me lots of one on one time |
| 18:53.43 | keldwud | whenever I had a question about something |
| 18:53.49 | keldwud | he'd sit down with me and help me work things out |
| 18:53.54 | keldwud | :) |
| 18:54.05 | keldwud | god I wish I remembered his name |
| 18:54.08 | keldwud | Rassmussen I think |
| 18:54.10 | keldwud | at ALLC |
| 18:54.28 | keldwud | god I miss that school |
| 18:58.41 | skrike | whoosh |
| 18:59.08 | fungus | keldwud, http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WeYsTmIzjkw |
| 19:03.24 | keldwud | skrike: wasn't actually a woosh, it was more of a touche |
| 19:03.32 | keldwud | I took the intended perviness |
| 19:03.37 | skrike | yeah you took it |
| 19:03.41 | keldwud | and just ran with it and turned it back into something non-pervy |
| 19:03.42 | skrike | like a good boy |
| 19:03.43 | keldwud | lol |
| 19:04.32 | keldwud | fungus: yup. just like that :) I mean, I can't stand the stuff as an adult, but as a teenager, for some reason I enjoyed it |
| 19:04.53 | fungus | lol |
| 19:05.32 | skrike | really? |
| 19:05.40 | skrike | weird. |
| 19:05.56 | keldwud | yeah, it makes me anti social |
| 19:06.02 | keldwud | and socially withdrawn and paranoid |
| 19:06.10 | keldwud | and just generally uncomfortable overall |
| 19:06.47 | skrike | interesting. |
| 19:07.00 | romanovic | harleypig_: is this cobol work a full time contract? part time? |
| 19:07.12 | romanovic | has never touched cobol, but his father has |
| 19:07.48 | goozbach | I wonder if cobol prices are so far down the tail the large payment contracts are already gobbled up |
| 19:07.49 | skrike | s/cobol/any euphemism/ |
| 19:08.47 | keldwud | https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/23020923 |
| 19:08.56 | keldwud | "Cannabis affects people differently: inter-subject variation in the psychotogenic effects of Δ9-tetrahydrocannabinol: a functional magnetic resonance imaging study with healthy volunteers." |
| 19:09.07 | keldwud | there are a few other studies, but iirc, it goes something like this |
| 19:09.27 | Migs | http://science.slashdot.org/story/13/09/18/1717248/physicists-discover-geometry-underlying-particle-physics |
| 19:09.40 | keldwud | about 1% of the sample groups experience a strong adverse reaction to THC, including allergy type symptoms |
| 19:09.43 | skrike | keldwud: oh I know, Ive read the studies, Ive just rarely talked to people that liked it better when they were a teenager as opposed to an adult. |
| 19:10.00 | keldwud | and then there was another group that comprises about 5% that experiences not euphoria, but the opposite |
| 19:10.02 | keldwud | oh ok :) |
| 19:10.06 | skrike | migs: weird, I was JUST reading that |
| 19:10.10 | keldwud | just backing up my claims :) |
| 19:10.24 | keldwud | with science, <pregnant pause> bitch! |
| 19:10.33 | skrike | LETS GO MAKE METH |
| 19:10.35 | keldwud | because jessie pinkman references are always funny :) |
| 19:10.36 | skrike | bitch |
| 19:10.38 | keldwud | lol |
| 19:10.42 | keldwud | glad you got it :) |
| 19:10.53 | skrike | I pick up what everyone throws down |
| 19:11.23 | keldwud | like cigarette butts and shit? |
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| 19:11.32 | keldwud | ;) |
| 19:11.51 | skrike | Im drinkin what everyones pourin |
| 19:12.11 | skrike | and other colloquialisms |
| 19:12.33 | keldwud | you know, I write colloquialism a lot, but I always have the damndest time saying it out loud |
| 19:12.44 | skrike | I was teaching my kids that word the other day |
| 19:13.00 | skrike | its a tough one |
| 19:13.41 | skrike | migs: Ive been watching the new bbc universe documentary with Brian Cox, so good. |
| 19:13.45 | keldwud | I always end up saying: COAL LICK WEE UH ISM |
| 19:13.52 | keldwud | *LISM |
| 19:13.58 | keldwud | oh wait, yeah ISM |
| 19:14.03 | skrike | it rhymes with tone loc |
| 19:14.05 | keldwud | I always forget the L in the last part when I say it out loud |
| 19:15.00 | keldwud | so I keep failing at update-java-alternatives -s <path to manually "installed" java> |
| 19:15.19 | keldwud | maybe the permissions are wrong on the folders? |
| 19:16.41 | Tene | If that's the case, strace should show you what it's trying to do, and what fails. |
| 19:16.53 | Tene | strace -efile -o /tmp/log.log update-java-alternatives ... |
| 19:16.57 | keldwud | ooh, an opportunity to finally learn strace :) |
| 19:17.10 | Tene | you might also need -f in there, if it forks. |
| 19:17.43 | keldwud | reading the man page now to understand the flags |
| 19:18.00 | keldwud | so that is -e<expr>? |
| 19:18.02 | keldwud | -efile |
| 19:18.10 | keldwud | where 'file' is the expression? |
| 19:18.32 | Tene | Yeah, that's limiting it to file-oriented system calls, instead of EVERYTHING |
| 19:18.59 | harleypig_ | romanovic: dunno, I can forward his email to you if you like |
| 19:19.00 | keldwud | so that would eb the same as -e trace=file? |
| 19:19.14 | keldwud | or is it maybe a diff across *nix versions? |
| 19:19.23 | Tene | Yeah, that should be the same, I think. |
| 19:19.31 | Tene | I've never bothered with any more-complex expressions. |
| 19:19.45 | keldwud | I'll try the way you suggested :) just wanted to make sure I understood what was going on |
| 19:20.35 | Tene | "Trace all system calls which take a file name as an argument. You can think of this as an abbreviation for -e trace=open,stat,chmod,unlink,... which is useful to seeing what files the process is referenc‐ ing. Furthermore, using the abbreviation will ensure that you don't accidentally forget to include a call like lstat in the list. Betchya woulda for‐ got that one. |
| 19:21.11 | keldwud | yeah, that's the paragraph I was reading :) |
| 19:22.05 | keldwud | so basically I can just prepend my original command with the strace, right? |
| 19:22.43 | Tene | Yes. |
| 19:23.30 | Tene | That will only fail if you're trying to run a SUID program, because letting you attach to programs you can run as other users would be a security problem. |
| 19:25.38 | keldwud | "sudo: effective uid is not 0, is sudo installed setuid root?" |
| 19:25.46 | keldwud | I'm guessing strace needs to run as root? |
| 19:25.51 | keldwud | so I should sudo strace |
| 19:25.52 | keldwud | :) |
| 19:25.53 | Tene | sudo would be an example of a suid program, yes. |
| 19:26.01 | keldwud | sudo !! |
| 19:26.08 | Tene | It doesn't need to run as root, but it does need to run as the same user as the program you're trying to trace. |
| 19:26.40 | keldwud | I see, so if I'm running sudo on the program I'm tracing, then I need sudo on strace, but strace doesn't always need sudo |
| 19:26.43 | keldwud | got it :) |
| 19:26.44 | Tene | also, if you straced sudo, you would need to include -f, and then have to sort out the calls from sudo, and the shell, from the program you're actually trying to run |
| 19:27.14 | keldwud | I see. I included the -f this time |
| 19:27.15 | keldwud | checking the log now |
| 19:27.29 | keldwud | thanks for giving me the opportunity to try strace |
| 19:27.49 | Tene | If you want each process in a different log, also add -ff |
| 19:27.51 | keldwud | it has been on my radar for a few months now, just haven't had an opportunity to use it yet, well an opportunity to use it properly |
| 19:28.03 | Tene | Yeah, strace is extremely useful. |
| 19:28.25 | Tene | I've been working on-and-off on a similar program to trace IO specifically. |
| 19:28.46 | keldwud | so what exactly am I looking for in this output |
| 19:28.50 | keldwud | what should stand out? |
| 19:29.11 | Tene | You know that the alternatives system is pretty much just a couple of symlinks, right? |
| 19:29.17 | keldwud | yeah |
| 19:29.28 | Tene | So, you want to look at attempts to create those symlinks. |
| 19:29.42 | Tene | I'm assuming that it didn't give you a useful or meaningful error message when it failed, right? |
| 19:29.53 | keldwud | the reason I suspected a permissions issue is because when I run update-java-alternatives, it tells me the file or folder doesn't exist |
| 19:29.54 | keldwud | yeah |
| 19:30.10 | keldwud | and I look, and the files and folders are there, same structure as it expects |
| 19:30.28 | Tene | That's not going to be a permissions issue; that's actually something not existing. You'll want to look for failed system calls to see what it's trying to access that doesn't exist, specifically. |
| 19:30.35 | Tene | Look for ENOENT |
| 19:30.48 | keldwud | yeah, lots of those |
| 19:30.57 | skrike | also make sure youre not trying to run updates on a potato |
| 19:31.02 | keldwud | every time it says "no such file or directory" |
| 19:31.11 | keldwud | skrike: explain? |
| 19:31.39 | Tene | Yeah, so look at what it's trying to access, and compare that to what you expected. |
| 19:31.49 | keldwud | not familiar with that Colloquialism ;) |
| 19:31.52 | Tene | I expect there's some kind of prefix problem, or a mistyped path, or something. |
| 19:31.56 | skrike | keldwud: http://www.unfinishedman.com/wp-content/uploads/2013/07/potato-computer-566x393.jpg |
| 19:31.59 | skrike | its from portal |
| 19:32.01 | skrike | I believe |
| 19:32.25 | skrike | Im being unhelpful, sorry. |
| 19:32.53 | keldwud | skrike: it's okay. I would have enjoyed it if I were more hip :) |
| 19:33.20 | keldwud | Tene: yeah, I'm seeing it access a bunch of stuff in /etc/ld* |
| 19:33.33 | keldwud | <PROTECTED> |
| 19:34.04 | keldwud | there are a few other places that don't match that pattern, but that shows up the most |
| 19:34.04 | Tene | keldwud: At this point, the algorithm is "read what it's trying to do, and think hard about what could be wrong." |
| 19:34.47 | keldwud | owait, maybe I'm reading it wrong |
| 19:34.58 | keldwud | ok no, I'm reading it right |
| 19:35.09 | keldwud | access "x" -1 ENOENT |
| 19:35.18 | keldwud | therefore x has a problem with being accessed |
| 19:35.21 | Tene | Yes. |
| 19:35.31 | keldwud | and the pattern I see in x is /etc/ld.* |
| 19:35.35 | keldwud | but I'm not sure what those are |
| 19:35.38 | keldwud | googles |
| 19:35.43 | Tene | keldwud: be aware that many programs will *also* try many variants on a path or filename to try to find one that actually exists, so it's not necessarily a problem to see many failed accesses. |
| 19:36.00 | Tene | I recommend that you look for thing actually mentioning the paths you expect; search for 'java' or 'jvm' or whatever |
| 19:36.11 | keldwud | oh ok |
| 19:37.20 | keldwud | I'm thinking maybe I'm missing a shared library of some sort |
| 19:38.29 | keldwud | this also leads me to believe the same thing: https://www.linuxquestions.org/questions/red-hat-31/adding-line-to-etc-ld-so-conf-103069/ |
| 19:38.50 | keldwud | so there are some linking issues |
| 19:39.02 | keldwud | which also points to potentially missing a shared library |
| 19:39.16 | keldwud | this is all based on my limited knowledge of how systems work, though. |
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| 19:44.01 | keldwud | now no such file or directory is different than access not allowed, right? |
| 19:44.33 | Tene | Yes. |
| 19:44.56 | Tene | Those error codes are ENOENT and EPERM |
| 19:45.14 | keldwud | ok cool |
| 19:45.21 | Tene | they mean exactly what you said; ENOENT means the file is really not there |
| 19:45.21 | keldwud | yeah, I didn't see any EPERMs |
| 19:45.38 | keldwud | I found a log file, too |
| 19:45.45 | keldwud | <PROTECTED> |
| 19:45.51 | keldwud | the strace had that in there |
| 19:46.01 | keldwud | and it looks like that has some more information :) |
| 19:46.05 | keldwud | this is fun! :) |
| 19:46.07 | keldwud | I love it |
| 19:46.22 | Tene | :D |
| 19:47.15 | keldwud | oh hey, alternatives.log has stuff other than just my java attempts |
| 19:47.18 | keldwud | cool |
| 19:47.35 | keldwud | lots of link groups |
| 19:47.47 | keldwud | which of course, is what I would guess update-alternatives does |
| 19:47.52 | keldwud | keeps track of link groups |
| 19:48.12 | keldwud | ok here we go |
| 19:48.35 | keldwud | so I ran apt-get remove for a java earlier |
| 19:49.01 | keldwud | where I see things that update-java-alternatives looks for |
| 19:49.11 | keldwud | but I'm not sure if my manual install of java has all those things |
| 19:49.20 | Tene | sounds reasonable. |
| 19:51.29 | jlp_znc | keldwud: did you manually install the JDK, or just the JRE? |
| 19:51.38 | keldwud | jlp_znc: that was my next line of thought |
| 19:51.42 | skrike | http://i.imgur.com/rzQoTmM.jpg - did a 4 year old write this? |
| 19:51.47 | keldwud | realizing that maybe I need the full JDK to make this work |
| 19:52.16 | keldwud | I just got the JRE |
| 19:52.32 | keldwud | I'm going to get the JDK and try that instead |
| 19:53.35 | keldwud | Tene: In what situations can I / do I want to use strace? so that in the future I can take more opportunities to learn it better? |
| 19:53.42 | jlp_znc | skrike: looks like my son's handwriting. my 23-year old son. :-/ |
| 19:53.46 | keldwud | I've heard that it is one of the more important troubleshooting tools available as a sysadmin |
| 19:53.49 | jlp_znc | that's why he types nearly everything |
| 19:53.51 | keldwud | *for a sysadmin |
| 19:54.04 | keldwud | guys, jlp_znc's son wrote that! |
| 19:54.14 | keldwud | source: jlp_znc said it looks like his son's handwriting! |
| 19:54.20 | keldwud | that means his son is OP |
| 19:54.26 | keldwud | ;) |
| 19:55.18 | jlp_znc | well, since my son is not at the U, I doubt it was really him. just that the penmanship is consistent with someone who went to elementary school here in utah |
| 19:56.33 | jlp_znc | you'll note that he actually spells everything correctly, and even has decent punctuation, just that the penmanship itself is horrific. now, I'm not saying that my own penmanship is that great, but I can at least distinguish between when I want capital letters and when I don't. |
| 19:57.45 | keldwud | damn. I forgot where to download older versions of java |
| 19:57.56 | keldwud | I should know better by know and have the link saved somewhere |
| 19:58.03 | keldwud | because it is always more than a 5 minute search for me |
| 19:58.17 | keldwud | it's almost like they don't want you to do it |
| 19:58.21 | Tene | keldwud: use it when you want to find out what a program is actually doing or actually expecting, because it won't tell you with its error messages or logs, or you don't know where they are, or you suspect it lies. |
| 19:58.59 | keldwud | heh. I love the "or you suspect it lies" part :) because it happens |
| 20:01.26 | keldwud | here it is |
| 20:01.27 | keldwud | https://www.java.com/en/download/faq/other_jreversions.xml |
| 20:01.31 | keldwud | I'm going to save that link |
| 20:01.36 | keldwud | because I can never freaking find it |
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| 20:05.05 | keldwud | oh whoops. the JRE and the JDK both have the same tar.gz filename |
| 20:05.17 | keldwud | just gonna delete them both and redownload :) |
| 20:05.33 | keldwud | owait |
| 20:05.34 | keldwud | n/m |
| 20:05.37 | keldwud | I lied |
| 20:10.50 | keldwud | woohoo, my ATA secure erase is done! :) |
| 20:13.05 | shalkie | Is it different then shred? |
| 20:13.14 | shalkie | As far as what you get out of it? |
| 20:16.16 | jlp_znc | http://asuwlink.uwyo.edu/~jimkirk/home.html |
| 20:16.57 | keldwud | Overwrites blocks marked as bad by the hard drive (which DBAN and similar tools ignore) |
| 20:17.03 | keldwud | not sure if shred does that or no |
| 20:17.05 | keldwud | *not |
| 20:17.42 | keldwud | it's also useful with SSDs |
| 20:17.45 | keldwud | so I've read |
| 20:17.53 | keldwud | can return an SSD back to its original state |
| 20:19.38 | keldwud | here we go |
| 20:20.37 | keldwud | "[shred] relies on the assumption that a file's blocks can be overwritten in place. This assumption is invalid in so many circumstances (any filesystem on any SSD, any logical volume that has snapshots, perhaps generally on ZFS) that shred's general utility is questionable" |
| 20:20.47 | keldwud | that's from the unix / linux admin handbook |
| 20:21.33 | keldwud | does that answer sufficiently? |
| 20:23.23 | keldwud | interesting.... |
| 20:23.44 | keldwud | I found that in many of the forums in which I asked about erasing, almost everyone went with shred, dd, or dban. |
| 20:24.00 | keldwud | I just found out that ATA erase is a relatively "new" method |
| 20:24.38 | keldwud | here's another one with some good leads: http://superuser.com/questions/456638/hdparm-vs-dev-zero-in-hdd-erase |
| 20:35.13 | youtah | I prefer the pot of molten metal for wiping my hard drives |
| 20:35.32 | skrike | <youtah:#utah> I prefer the pot. |
| 20:35.35 | skrike | knew it. |
| 20:36.11 | youtah | lol, dork. |
| 20:36.33 | youtah | You do realize my family owns a metal foundry and machine shop, right? |
| 20:36.49 | jxqz | do you cast steel? |
| 20:36.57 | youtah | Yes |
| 20:37.01 | jxqz | or just aluminum stuffs |
| 20:37.03 | jxqz | awesome |
| 20:37.04 | youtah | makes his own dutch ovens |
| 20:37.20 | skrike | that sounds disgusting |
| 20:37.26 | youtah | lol |
| 20:37.33 | skrike | if I ever see you make a dutch oven Im calling the cops |
| 20:37.34 | jxqz | loves molten forgings of metal substances |
| 20:37.39 | youtah | Big ones skrike |
| 20:37.54 | youtah | High quality |
| 20:37.55 | jxqz | big enough for a the pi pizza size? |
| 20:38.13 | youtah | 18~22" in diameter are our large ones |
| 20:38.17 | youtah | and they are 14" deep |
| 20:38.35 | youtah | and the 22" weights about 180lbs. |
| 20:39.17 | jxqz | that's some serious outside cookware |
| 20:39.32 | goozbach | ohh, camp style or original? |
| 20:39.40 | goozbach | ie does it come with the lip on the lid? |
| 20:40.01 | Jayce^ | youtah: and you do know that we need to get some stuff made, right? |
| 20:40.12 | goozbach | ohh field trip! |
| 20:42.43 | jxqz | Jayce^ needs a cannon |
| 20:42.46 | Jayce^ | is mad that youtah has never offered him a chance to make one |
| 20:42.48 | jxqz | a paintball cannon! |
| 20:42.50 | Jayce^ | ^ that too |
| 20:44.07 | goozbach | ohh scattershot paintball cannon... |
| 20:44.14 | jxqz | haha |
| 20:44.31 | goozbach | made up an inpromptu paintball claymore once |
| 20:49.11 | youtah | back. sorry |
| 20:49.23 | youtah | no feet, yes lip on the lid, very slight one. |
| 20:49.38 | youtah | cast iron steel. We put names and images on the lids |
| 20:55.58 | jxqz | yarrrrr |
| 20:56.42 | jxqz | https://saltlakecity.craigslist.org/cto/4025485756.html |
| 21:26.11 | youtah | jxqz, if you buy it, I'll pitch in seventy five cents! |
| 21:29.46 | keldwud | I've got a dollar on it |
| 21:30.00 | keldwud | at this rate we will have our own firetruck in no time! |
| 21:30.40 | youtah | So we just need $10,498.25 more.... |
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| 21:44.17 | keldwud | hey, thanks for all the java/*nix help today and yesterday, Tene and others |
| 21:44.30 | keldwud | I'll let you know how it works out once I get the JDK installed |
| 21:45.20 | Tene | glad to help |
| 21:53.03 | shalkie | yoI am willing to go with 100 if I can ride on the ladder while the truck goes. |
| 21:53.07 | shalkie | s/yo// |
| 22:07.12 | jlp_znc | dudes, if everyone on the channel kicked in about $120, we would have enough. imagine painting it with #utah colors (whatever _they_ are) and driving it to all the user group meetings! |
| 22:13.08 | harleypig_ | and parades |
| 22:13.20 | harleypig_ | and school activities |
| 22:13.27 | harleypig_ | and kids parties |
| 22:13.56 | Migs | oh man, I'm in |
| 22:14.15 | Migs | $250 |
| 22:16.47 | jlp_znc | sounds like a good kickstarter/indiegogo campaign |
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| 22:34.16 | youtah | "Jeffrey, your password expires in 7 day(s)" |
| 22:34.20 | youtah | NO! |
| 22:35.04 | jlp_znc | I just changed mine last Friday as it was expiring on Monday. I just hate that. Makes me not want to invest the time and energy in picking a good password, since it can only be used for 90 days. |
| 22:35.50 | youtah | ^ |
| 22:35.54 | jlp_znc | not to mention the restrictive "your password must contain x, y, and z, and at least two of a, b, and c" requirements... makes it hard to pick a really good password. |
| 22:36.09 | jlp_znc | at least we're not at Raytheon any more where it was every 45 days. |
| 22:36.13 | youtah | which ends up, ultimately being less secure. |
| 22:44.40 | Migs | http://geckodesigns.kinja.com/so-i-bought-a-firetruck-252516685 |
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| 22:55.28 | jlp_znc | nice |
| 23:07.53 | shalkie | jlp_znc: you can't come up with a password of "xyzabc"? :-P |
| 23:08.17 | jlp_znc | you've got to have *two* of a, b, and c! |
| 23:08.52 | shalkie | OH! My bad. xyzaa. :-D |
| 23:09.39 | jlp_znc | I recall the password restrictions we had to implement on our (security-related) product due to STIG. you couldn't have any repeated characters, or any sequences, or anything that looked like a telephone number or social security number. couldn't have any dictionary words, either. |
| 23:10.12 | jlp_znc | plus had to have at least two upper case letters, two lower case letters, two digits, and two non-alphanumeric characters. |
| 23:12.19 | harleypig_ | !3AsYh4c< |
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| 23:15.25 | jlp_znc | oh yeah, it had to be at least 14 characters long, too |
| 23:23.36 | jxqz | I made my own pw generator recently |
| 23:24.19 | jxqz | obligatory xkcd though |
| 23:25.24 | jxqz | https://xkcd.com/936/ |
| 23:26.42 | jxqz | I'm suspecing the NSA is behind the crap password game |
| 23:26.52 | jxqz | ~literal blame |
| 23:27.05 | jxqz | ~literal blame bob |
| 23:27.05 | infobot | ACTION blames bob (and Canada) for all the evil in the world |
| 23:27.09 | jxqz | hm |
| 23:27.14 | jxqz | ~literal blame $x |
| 23:27.15 | infobot | ACTION blames $x (and Canada) for all the evil in the world |
| 23:28.44 | shalkie | Oh yes, the correct horse battery staple. I bought mine at IFA. ^_^ |
| 23:30.39 | shalkie | ~literal xyz |
| 23:30.45 | shalkie | ~literal blames xyz |
| 23:30.56 | shalkie | ~literal blame xyz |
| 23:30.56 | infobot | ACTION blames xyz (and Canada) for all the evil in the world |
| 23:31.07 | shalkie | ~literal praise Tene |
| 23:31.07 | infobot | All hail Tene! |
| 23:31.13 | shalkie | Huh. |
| 23:31.18 | shalkie | has to find the command list. |
| 23:32.27 | shalkie | ~horse |
| 23:32.27 | infobot | [horse] A host is a host from coast to coast, But no one will talk to a host that's close, Unless of course the host that's close is busy, hung, or dead. |
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| 23:34.16 | harleypig_ | shalkie: /msg infobot help |
| 23:35.45 | harleypig_ | ~upsidedown Cool! infobot can do upsidedown text! |
| 23:35.53 | shalkie | Nice. |
| 23:36.30 | shalkie | infobot: Where can I find sjansen? |
| 23:36.31 | infobot | sjansen is one hoopy frood who really knows where his towel is |
| 23:36.45 | harleypig | ~seen sjansen |
| 23:36.46 | infobot | sjansen <~sjansen@ip65-46-62-182.z62-46-65.customer.algx.net> was last seen on IRC in channel #utah, 44d 38m 43s ago, saying: 'If I had to do address verification today, I'd look seriously at http://blog.mailgun.com/post/free-email-validation-api-for-web-forms/'. |
| 23:37.13 | shalkie | Just testing out "where can I find" type statements. :-) |
| 23:37.33 | TimRiker | literal for commands is not very straight forward. |
| 23:37.39 | TimRiker | ~listkeys whaleslap |
| 23:37.39 | harleypig | infobot: Where can I find a decent restaurant in this two bit valley? |
| 23:37.51 | TimRiker | ~literal cmd: whaleslap (.*?) |
| 23:37.51 | infobot | "cmd: whaleslap (.*?)" is "($foo): <action> beats $foo upside and over the head with a freakishly huge killer whale named Hugh" |
| 23:38.34 | TimRiker | ~literal cmd: blame (.*?) |
| 23:38.34 | infobot | "cmd: blame (.*?)" is "($elg): <action> blames $elg (and Canada) for all the evil in the world" |
| 23:38.54 | TimRiker | ~literal cmd: blame (.*?) for (.*?) |
| 23:38.55 | infobot | "cmd: blame (.*?) for (.*?)" is "($1,$2): <action> blames $randnick and perhaps $1 for $2 and (all the evil in the world|the end of (life|culture|the Internet|the world) as we know it)" |
| 23:39.51 | harleypig | hey! blame isn't on the list returned by help |
| 23:40.27 | harleypig | ~litera |
| 23:40.30 | harleypig | ~literal |
| 23:40.30 | infobot | Leave me alone you! I won't reveal my secrets! |
| 23:40.33 | harleypig | :D |
| 23:41.14 | harleypig | ~blame shalkie for COBOL |
| 23:41.15 | infobot | ACTION blames skrike and perhaps shalkie for COBOL and the end of the world as we know it |
| 23:42.00 | skrike | so confused why I was included in that |
| 23:42.16 | shalkie | ~lart harleypig |
| 23:42.16 | infobot | moos at harleypig |
| 23:42.25 | harleypig | skrike: $randnick ... you were hit by chaos |
| 23:42.27 | shalkie | What kind of larting is that? |
| 23:43.04 | shalkie | Unless mooing at harleypig is somehow really freightening to him... |
| 23:43.09 | shalkie | Which I doubt. |
| 23:43.35 | harleypig | I ... I had a bad experience ... |
| 23:44.22 | skrike | mos def |
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| 23:48.35 | harleypig | infobot: Where do I find a list of your commands? |
| 23:48.50 | skrike | infobot: what are the 3 laws? |
| 23:48.51 | infobot | I think you lost me on that one, skrike |
| 23:48.55 | harleypig | Or, better, how do I dump a l ist of commands |
| 23:48.59 | harleypig | :D |
| 23:49.07 | skrike | infobot needs to be put down. |
| 23:49.10 | harleypig | An AI not governed by the 3 laws ... |
| 23:50.07 | skrike | it all ends in skynet |
| 23:50.25 | fugue88 | Either it's not very intelligent, or it's intelligent enough to avoid passing the Turing test and being found out. |
| 23:50.27 | harleypig | Depends on which movie you watch. |
| 23:50.34 | skrike | http://www.blastr.com/2013-9-18/roland-emmerich-wants-do-what-now-asimovs-foundation |
| 23:50.35 | skrike | wtf |
| 23:51.36 | harleypig_ | It needs to be a 5 year tv series |
| 23:51.43 | harleypig_ | or web series |
| 23:51.52 | harleypig_ | I'd pay money for a good rendition |
| 23:52.12 | skrike | it could be a good tv show, each season could be a different time era. |
| 23:53.15 | harleypig_ | The cast would have to be changed each year ... |
| 23:53.27 | skrike | unless they went cloud atlas on it |
| 23:53.33 | harleypig_ | get unknown but talented actors |
| 23:53.41 | harleypig_ | ick ... that would so ruin it. |
| 23:53.46 | skrike | haha |
| 23:53.50 | harleypig_ | Except for Daneel Olivaw |
| 23:54.09 | harleypig_ | He'd be the same throughout, and would have to make an appearance, even if just in the background, each episode. |
| 23:57.22 | harleypig_ | Dammit ... now I need to read all those series again ... |
