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| 15:33.22 | skrike | youtah: http://imgur.com/a/kQjk1 |
| 15:43.01 | youtah | No internet yet |
| 15:43.02 | youtah | :-( |
| 15:43.29 | Jayce^ | mocks youtah's pain |
| 15:43.43 | youtah | The got the fiber pulled to my house, and attached to the side of my house, and connected to the CAT5e that goes to the panel inside my house, but they ran out of strands to connect to |
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| 15:44.17 | youtah | Hey... I know her skrike!!! |
| 15:48.53 | skrike | hey me too! |
| 15:49.21 | youtah | lol |
| 15:49.29 | skrike | took those up at silver lake |
| 15:49.33 | skrike | and butterfield canyon |
| 15:49.39 | youtah | When did you get a shot of those? |
| 15:49.48 | skrike | saturday morning |
| 15:49.55 | skrike | right before it started raining |
| 15:49.59 | youtah | Leaves are starting to turn |
| 15:50.06 | youtah | it's looking like a dull and lame fall |
| 15:50.27 | Jayce^ | last weekend was up west canyon, colors were amazing up there |
| 15:50.40 | skrike | where is west? I like east canyon a lot. |
| 15:50.48 | Jayce^ | bet if you went up to ophir there would be some great stuff right now, but going soon |
| 15:50.51 | youtah | So I am reading a bit about fiber optics, guys were writing about about this shiznits back in 1842 |
| 15:51.26 | Jayce^ | so, youtah, you pick up atmosphere yet? :) |
| 15:51.36 | youtah | naw |
| 15:51.42 | Jayce^ | good stuff so far |
| 15:51.58 | youtah | Although, I am almost done with Season 3 of Breaking Bad |
| 15:54.19 | Migs | oh man |
| 15:54.22 | Migs | last week's episode |
| 15:54.26 | Migs | shudders |
| 15:54.27 | skrike | no spoilers |
| 15:54.31 | Migs | I won't |
| 15:54.39 | Migs | hurry and get caught up so we can talk about it, youtah |
| 15:54.39 | skrike | thanks! |
| 15:54.46 | Migs | you too, skrike |
| 15:55.01 | skrike | once I finish season 5 of fringe |
| 15:55.11 | Migs | it's rare to have a season of a show where EVERY episode is just phenomenal, but that's how this last season of Breaking Bad has been |
| 15:55.17 | skrike | and season 7 of doctor who |
| 15:55.26 | youtah | I'm trying as fast as I can |
| 15:55.31 | youtah | I was netflix'ing it |
| 15:55.49 | youtah | but seeing I have no internet, I ended up buying the Season three disc set on DVD ($12) |
| 15:56.01 | Migs | it's worth it |
| 15:56.09 | skrike | I dont even have the ability to play DVDs in most places in my house |
| 15:56.21 | skrike | I download everything in 720p and stream it with my roku |
| 15:56.39 | youtah | That |
| 15:56.45 | youtah | That's what I was using too skrike |
| 15:56.48 | Migs | I need a Roku 3. I have a Boxee Box which works well...but it's not supported anymore. |
| 15:57.03 | youtah | I want to the Roku3 just for the wireless headphones jack |
| 15:57.09 | skrike | I have a roku 1 and a roku 3 |
| 15:57.10 | Migs | totally |
| 15:57.12 | skrike | yes! |
| 15:57.13 | youtah | I have the 2 |
| 15:57.18 | skrike | the wireless headphone jack RULES |
| 15:57.24 | skrike | best invention ever |
| 15:57.39 | youtah | speaking of which |
| 15:57.41 | skrike | I picked it up at costco |
| 15:57.45 | youtah | I have a bunch of HDMI cables to sell |
| 15:57.46 | skrike | was like 90 bucks |
| 15:58.03 | Migs | is there only one type of Roku 3? |
| 15:58.10 | youtah | I accidentally bought the 12' HDMI cables from Monoprice (for $5.80ish a cable) with the filters on them |
| 15:58.17 | Migs | because I need to be able to plug in a hard drive, too |
| 15:58.27 | youtah | and I cannot take them off. Makes it impossible to feed them through the conduit in my wall |
| 15:58.34 | youtah | anyone wanna buy some 12' HDMI cables? |
| 15:58.39 | Migs | and in some production descriptions for the Roku 3, I don't see that featured mentioned. In others, I do. |
| 15:59.22 | skrike | migs: I think it has a usb port, Ive never used that functionality though |
| 15:59.45 | Migs | I should really just set up my Raspberry Pi as a media server. I've been emaning to do that for months. |
| 15:59.50 | Migs | *meaning |
| 15:59.51 | levi | What's a "wireless headphones jack"? |
| 16:00.16 | youtah | it has the headphone jack in the remote |
| 16:00.25 | levi | Ah, cool. |
| 16:00.26 | youtah | and transmits the audio to the remote control |
| 16:00.29 | Migs | very, very cool |
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| 16:00.31 | youtah | yeah, way sweet |
| 16:00.32 | skrike | it turns the sound off the tv |
| 16:00.34 | levi | Bluetooth? |
| 16:00.36 | Migs | until you lose the remote, of course |
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| 16:01.29 | youtah | What do you think? A) http://www.monoprice.com/products/product.asp?c_id=102&cp_id=10250&cs_id=1025502&p_id=9305&seq=1&format=2 or B) http://www.monoprice.com/products/product.asp?c_id=102&cp_id=10240&cs_id=1024004&p_id=4036&seq=1&format=2 |
| 16:05.16 | youtah | I went with the cheaper |
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| 16:09.42 | youtah | http://i.imgur.com/favf2EO.png |
| 16:11.11 | youtah | Holy shiznits..... Single Mode Fiber can be run a freaking long distance |
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| 16:21.26 | goozbach | https://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_embedded&v=z-sdO6pwVHQ |
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| 16:24.34 | youtah | ROFL goozbach |
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| 17:01.18 | manithree | goozbach: The funniest part was they only want to raise $1.6T |
| 17:04.04 | Migs | everyone in this channel needs to make one of these http://www.funnyjunk.com/funny_pictures/4753076/Ring |
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| 17:18.51 | youtah | manithree, I loved the fact that for only $10 million you could buy your own senator |
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| 17:31.24 | harleypig__ | youtah: but it's not a one time purchase ... you have maintenance fees |
| 17:34.59 | keldwud | hmm... anybody here know icedtea very well? |
| 17:35.07 | keldwud | not ice tea, but icedtea |
| 17:35.17 | keldwud | rapper vs jave for *nix :-p |
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| 18:14.07 | harleypig__ | Migs ... my beard is cushion enough. :D |
| 18:18.06 | youtah | she sounds HOT harleypig |
| 18:19.07 | harleypig__ | ? |
| 18:19.31 | youtah | <harleypig__> youtah: but it's not a one time purchase ... you have maintenance fees |
| 18:20.18 | harleypig__ | sooo ... senators are hot girls? |
| 18:20.31 | harleypig__ | If they were I think there be a much higher voter turnout |
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| 18:27.23 | youtah | you my friend, harleypig just solved the low voter turn out problem |
| 18:27.37 | harleypig__ | hah |
| 18:28.34 | youtah | So, I had no idea. |
| 18:28.37 | harleypig__ | I don' wan' no sticker! The local beauty queens and strong man competition winners should be handing out kisses |
| 18:28.47 | harleypig__ | no idea about what? |
| 18:28.50 | youtah | Did you know Gimli was two separate people in LOTR? |
| 18:29.03 | youtah | they had the Actor, and then they used someone else for their voice |
| 18:29.13 | youtah | makes me wonder how common something like that actually is |
| 18:29.26 | unum | darth vader.... |
| 18:29.34 | unum | I guess the actor was there this weekend |
| 18:29.43 | youtah | well, yeah.... but that one was kind of obvious |
| 18:29.59 | youtah | I mean, it could have been anyones voice... he's wearing a mask |
| 18:30.18 | youtah | unum, I got shots of him signing pictures |
| 18:30.50 | youtah | and I saw some girl get her butt autographed by Shatner |
| 18:46.21 | Migs | was she hot? |
| 18:46.47 | Migs | ugly people have no bizness getting their butts autographed |
| 19:00.34 | youtah | Well, lets just say I think it may have been Shatners idea |
| 19:01.59 | fungus | youtah, Gimli was only two separate people if you factor in doubles and such, which are almost never counted. John Rhys-Davies was the actor. |
| 19:01.59 | Migs | lol youtah |
| 19:02.15 | youtah | Op, sorry, no PM's forgot Migs |
| 19:05.20 | unum | I wasn't saw a quote by adam west about signing a different part of a womans anatomy and having to control the reflex of wanting to hold it stable |
| 19:07.51 | youtah | LOL |
| 19:08.07 | unum | s/wasn't/once |
| 19:08.13 | unum | I do weird typos like that alot |
| 19:29.37 | levi | http://hyperboleandahalf.blogspot.com/2010/04/alot-is-better-than-you-at-everything.html |
| 19:30.32 | levi | I wonder what the weird type alot looks like. |
| 19:31.34 | goozbach | I'd chalk that one up to talking to the alot |
| 19:31.48 | goozbach | hey alot, I do weird typos like that |
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| 19:55.11 | keldwud | your alot is quite hairy |
| 19:55.15 | keldwud | does it shed? |
| 19:55.29 | keldwud | and if it does shed, does it shed alot? |
| 19:55.35 | keldwud | http://instantrimshot.com |
| 20:06.14 | keldwud | quick informal poll: have any of you donated to ubuntu during the 'please donate' prompt before the download? |
| 20:06.26 | keldwud | I'm curious as to whether it actually generates revenue or not |
| 20:06.54 | jlp_znc | I have not. I do not like the direction Ubuntu is going. |
| 20:24.10 | keldwud | in a linux-hipster-get-off-my-lawn-they're-selling-out sort of way, or in a "ubuntu is not technically capable anymore and no longer provides for the needs of the average user"? :) |
| 20:24.43 | keldwud | i.e. do we hate it for the same reasons that we hate/d windows? |
| 20:26.11 | fugue88 | wonders which of the two reasons applies to Windows. |
| 20:28.24 | keldwud | although I'll accept the open source stance, that tends to be a somewhat rational argument against ubuntu |
| 20:31.06 | Tene | keldwud: More like "ubuntu has never been technically capable, and has never provided for my personal needs" |
| 20:31.37 | keldwud | :) |
| 20:31.54 | levi | I think Canonical has overextended itself a bit, and is no longer maintaining the stability of their core desktop OS to the extent I'd prefer. |
| 20:33.18 | keldwud | is it one of those things where a person loses credibility if they love using ubuntu and would even purchase an ubuntu phone if it comes out? |
| 20:33.24 | Tene | Unity, AppArmour, Mir, upstart, I have trouble understanding their technical decisions as having anything to do with things I care about. |
| 20:33.25 | jlp_znc | both |
| 20:33.26 | keldwud | because I love the shit out of my ubuntu :) |
| 20:33.59 | jlp_znc | I used to love Ubuntu, but I don't any longer. |
| 20:34.20 | keldwud | they were better when they first came out, amirite? ;) |
| 20:34.23 | Tene | Even if I wasn't annoyed by dpkg and apt, I'd only use debian; ubuntu doesn't offer anything that I care about at all. |
| 20:34.37 | Tene | keldwud: Not for anything I care about, no. |
| 20:34.50 | manithree | I don't like Ubunt on my desktops, but I wouldn't mind an Ubuntu phone. Haven't contributed. |
| 20:35.16 | keldwud | I've entertained the idea of contributing |
| 20:35.36 | keldwud | I use ubuntu on all of my servers and a couple desktops |
| 20:35.38 | Tene | I've used Fedora for almost all of my personal systems for quite a while. |
| 20:35.56 | keldwud | although I'm starting to experiment with tails and kali and oh what's that other one |
| 20:36.07 | jlp_znc | my only problem with fedora is that I despise RPMs. |
| 20:36.17 | keldwud | yeah, RPMs intimidate me |
| 20:36.27 | Tene | That's an unusual comment. |
| 20:36.41 | keldwud | Tene: mine or jlp_znc's? |
| 20:36.44 | Tene | Can you explain how you feel intimidated? |
| 20:36.55 | keldwud | because I don't know anything about them maybe? :) |
| 20:37.02 | jlp_znc | perhaps my reasons are out of date. I haven't seriously used RPMs since RHEL 5. |
| 20:37.07 | manithree | wonders if Tene is really an ELIZA bot |
| 20:37.08 | keldwud | isn't it human nature to feel intimidated by the unknown? |
| 20:37.26 | jlp_znc | manithree: tell me how you feel about if Tene is really an ELIZA bot? |
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| 20:38.18 | Tene | keldwud: Imagine dpkg, except nobody ever does anything interactive during install ever, and dependencies are checked before manual installation so there's no awkward half-installed state |
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| 20:39.39 | levi | I like the interactive stuff during install. |
| 20:40.01 | levi | Although I can see the benefits from a sysadmin point of view for the alternative. |
| 20:40.22 | manithree | The problem with rpm was that it was dpkg WITHOUT apt or repositories for so long. |
| 20:40.43 | Tene | interactive is fine on a single-user personal machine, but so annoying when working with a whole fleet. Ostensibly you can just disable that, but it's not unusual to encounter packages that just ignore that configuration. |
| 20:40.52 | jlp_znc | that was one thing I liked about solaris installs. solaris package manager would ask you all of the questions up front, and then say "okay, I'm done asking questions. come back and look at me in a while and I'll probably be all done" |
| 20:41.13 | levi | The debian stuff is *suppposed* to do that. |
| 20:41.17 | goozbach | http://utcc.utoronto.ca/~cks/space/blog/linux/RpmFormatOverDebs |
| 20:41.40 | jlp_znc | there were none of those "hey, we just installed package oink... better ask the user a question about it. and stop everything that we're doing until we hear back from the user." issues |
| 20:41.57 | Tene | manithree: yum has been prevalant since about 2004, I think? |
| 20:42.07 | goozbach | http://utcc.utoronto.ca/~cks/space/blog/linux/FedoraVsUbuntuDesktopView |
| 20:42.15 | jlp_znc | does yum solve all of RPM's problems? |
| 20:42.26 | goozbach | jlp_znc: which problems? |
| 20:43.01 | Tene | I don't think I can give a useful answer to an unqualified question like that. :) |
| 20:43.22 | keldwud | c'mon, take the bait! :) |
| 20:43.24 | Tene | There are always going to be things that aren't perfectly optimal. |
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| 20:44.11 | jlp_znc | again, my interpretation of RPM issues may be out of date, but I recall always having trouble with getting software to update, and those updates pulling in updated libraries, and those updated libraries breaking other software that needed the old libraries. that was probably my biggest headache. also, that RPMs seemed to lag way way behind the projects they tracked. |
| 20:44.38 | Tene | jlp_znc: That's pretty out of date, yeah. |
| 20:44.46 | manithree | jlp_znc: better repositories have mostly solved that (rpm-fusion, etc.) |
| 20:44.49 | jlp_znc | when you would do an rpm -u on something and end up without a bootable system, that made me sad. |
| 20:45.18 | jlp_znc | perhaps I need to revisit the whole RPM-based architecture |
| 20:45.30 | fugue88 | Those old rpm issues are what drove me to Gentoo, in a sense. ;) |
| 20:45.45 | manithree | And I've had similar issues with apt/dpkg |
| 20:46.34 | Tene | jlp_znc: for as long as I've worked with RPM systems, kernel packages are concurrently installable, so you rpm -i instead of -U, although usually you'd install through yum instead, in which case it's configured by installonly_limit in the yum configuration, which defaults to keeping the last 3 versions. |
| 20:46.43 | levi | I have just been a Debian user since about forever, so I am comfortable with its quirks and happy with the ability to do perpetual rolling upgrades. |
| 20:47.02 | Tene | I wish more libraries were packaged for concurrent installation of multiple versions. |
| 20:47.19 | jlp_znc | Tene: yes! |
| 20:47.28 | levi | I don't really have anything against RPM-based distros, I'm just less familiar with them. |
| 20:47.55 | Tene | Rolling upgrades are supported just fine in fedora also; I've got a few systems I've been doing that with for years. |
| 20:47.58 | levi | I am really not keen on the 'perpetually on the BLEEDING EDGE!!' nature of Arch, though. |
| 20:48.13 | manithree | Tene: Yeah, like python3, qt4, etc. |
| 20:49.07 | levi | "You want library versions from *last year*?! What, are you some kind of luddite?!" |
| 20:49.37 | manithree | levi: You probably wouldn't like fedora ;-) |
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| 20:49.59 | levi | I'm pretty sure you can find consistent repositores of old Fedora packages. |
| 20:50.10 | Tene | another thing that annoys me about debian-family packages is starting services when the package is installed, before they're configured. That's distro convention, nothing to do with the packaging format, and again, I can see how it might be nicer for personal systems. |
| 20:50.15 | manithree | fedora's come and go so quick, though |
| 20:50.36 | manithree | s/fedora's/fedoras/ |
| 20:50.39 | levi | But they're versioned and the old versions are still around. |
| 20:50.44 | Tene | Yeah, fedora sticks around, but doesn't get supported updates after about 18 months, I think. |
| 20:51.04 | manithree | And some of the 3rd party repositories go away when they go unsupported |
| 20:51.06 | levi | Arch is upgraded continually on a rolling basis and by default no one keeps around old versions. |
| 20:51.41 | manithree | that's harsher than fedora, even |
| 20:51.44 | Tene | there's only been one notable third-party fedora repo for quite a while; the big third-party repos merged into rpmfusion. |
| 20:52.25 | manithree | Just last month I replaced my old MythTV box. It was running Fedora 6 |
| 20:52.35 | levi | I did an Arch upgrade on my laptop recently and all my Firefox-based browsers developed some bizarre graphical glitch. |
| 20:53.36 | Tene | I remember being annoyed a few years back that dpkg didn't have anything like rpm's file checksum database on install, so no equivalent of rpm -V |
| 20:53.48 | Tene | which lists all files modified since installation time |
| 20:53.49 | levi | And I had to switch kernel versions because my laptop hung anytime it went to sleep. |
| 20:53.58 | Tene | not sure if that's still missing these days or not, though |
| 20:54.05 | Tene | levi: ouch |
| 20:56.27 | Tene | the auto-restarting daemons also made upgrades a bit trickier to handle across the fleet, although it wouldn't have been an issue if we were a bit smarter about managing that. |
| 20:59.09 | unum | I keep forgetting to change my server from pointing at stable to pointing too <toy story character> |
| 20:59.15 | unum | I've accidently upgraded twice |
| 20:59.23 | unum | that tells you how long I've been meaning to do that |
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| 21:01.16 | levi | One of these days I'm going to seriously try out NixOS. |
| 21:02.35 | Tene | A much less practical thing that annoys me about ubuntu is how everyone refers to the Annoying Animal names instead of the numbers. |
| 21:02.55 | levi | That annoys me too. |
| 21:03.52 | keldwud | yeah, I get confused when people talk about ice cream sandwiches and kitkats and such. |
| 21:04.03 | keldwud | it's difficult for me to remember which order they come in |
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| 21:04.43 | Tene | "These packages are for Derpy Dirigible", and then I have to go look at the release hsitory list on wikipedia to find out if that's the one from this year or last year. |
| 21:04.52 | keldwud | "HEY GUYS, I JUST GOT ICE CREAM SANDWICH ON MY PHONE!" |
| 21:05.29 | manithree | keldwud: You don't have Kit Kat yet? |
| 21:05.48 | keldwud | "<Tene> A much less practical thing that annoys me about ubuntu is how everyone refers to the Annoying Animal names instead of the numbers." |
| 21:05.55 | keldwud | "<levi> That annoys me too." |
| 21:06.16 | keldwud | I was just jumping on the bandwagon of hating on weird versioning systems |
| 21:06.17 | Tene | manithree: he's just casually trolling, I think. |
| 21:06.25 | Tene | manithree: I've had it for at least a month. |
| 21:06.33 | keldwud | no, I was using it as an example, duh |
| 21:07.00 | keldwud | that's why it was in quotes |
| 21:07.10 | keldwud | I have no clue what version of android I have on my phone |
| 21:07.12 | keldwud | I don't root |
| 21:07.21 | Tene | erm, s/manithree/keldwud/ for the first of those |
| 21:07.27 | keldwud | oh |
| 21:07.28 | keldwud | haha |
| 21:07.46 | Tene | keldwud: No need to root your phone to get updates. |
| 21:08.05 | Tene | unless you have a bad phone locked down by a bad vendor, I guess |
| 21:08.06 | keldwud | 4.1.2 |
| 21:08.13 | keldwud | that's the version I have |
| 21:08.18 | keldwud | verizon |
| 21:08.35 | keldwud | lst time it updated was 6-26 |
| 21:08.42 | keldwud | checking for new |
| 21:08.47 | Tene | I think some vendors just don't push updates to their phones basically ever, I've heard. |
| 21:08.48 | keldwud | no new software update available |
| 21:08.59 | keldwud | so they don't have it available on their network |
| 21:09.19 | keldwud | sure I don't need to root? |
| 21:09.24 | Tene | yeah, kitkat hasn't been released yet. |
| 21:09.27 | keldwud | oooh |
| 21:09.35 | keldwud | I was successfully trolled |
| 21:09.37 | keldwud | lol |
| 21:09.53 | Tene | trolled how? |
| 21:10.17 | levi | Tene: Most phones get 1 or 2 OS updates, max. |
| 21:10.43 | levi | And most aren't released with the most up-to-date OS either. |
| 21:10.52 | keldwud | I thought kitkat was out |
| 21:11.05 | keldwud | because manithree asked me why I didn't have it yet |
| 21:11.15 | keldwud | so I went and tried doing an update on my phone |
| 21:11.27 | Tene | Ah. |
| 21:11.49 | manithree | practices his maniacal, evil, trolling laugh |
| 21:12.56 | manithree | How long does a phone usually last for most people? |
| 21:13.10 | Tene | probably between 0 and 100 years. |
| 21:13.31 | keldwud | probably? |
| 21:13.38 | keldwud | maybe most likely to definitely? |
| 21:13.39 | manithree | I've only had one smartphone (a Droid 1) last more than 2 years |
| 21:14.15 | fugue88 | manithree: Your evidence is supporting Tene's estimated range. |
| 21:14.19 | Tene | my treo 650, which I bought used, lasted for five years, I think? |
| 21:14.41 | Tene | It probably could have been fixed by reimaging it; it seemed to be a software problem. |
| 21:15.05 | youtah | nachos |
| 21:15.12 | keldwud | chili |
| 21:15.16 | youtah | Jayce^, found nachos at Comic Con and didn't buy me any |
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| 21:15.23 | youtah | while I was slaving away |
| 21:15.32 | KingMichael | Hello Utah |
| 21:15.35 | youtah | taking photos of Cat Women |
| 21:15.37 | Jayce^ | I move all his crap, and now he wants me to buy nachos??! |
| 21:15.42 | youtah | LOL |
| 21:15.51 | Tene | sup KingMichael |
| 21:15.59 | Jayce^ | didn't even have nachos at his moving... |
| 21:16.08 | manithree | I can see why carriers might think it's in their best financial interest to encourage hardware upgrades instead of supporting firmware upgrades |
| 21:16.15 | youtah | You have no idea how stressful it is to take photos of gazillions of Bat Women |
| 21:16.21 | KingMichael | Nada just thought id see if there was a utah room and there is lol |
| 21:16.32 | Tene | Yes, so very lol. |
| 21:16.43 | keldwud | lolololololol |
| 21:16.52 | Tene | See? You were right. |
| 21:16.57 | youtah | and lady bain |
| 21:17.00 | keldwud | ^ |
| 21:17.02 | keldwud | this |
| 21:17.05 | youtah | and zombie killer chicks |
| 21:17.06 | keldwud | literally this |
| 21:17.07 | youtah | with guns |
| 21:17.18 | Tene | keldwud: ITYM "non-figuratively" |
| 21:18.29 | keldwud | literally non-figuratively! |
| 21:18.33 | keldwud | ;) |
| 21:18.43 | keldwud | ouch, my brain just hurt at the recursion there |
| 21:18.52 | keldwud | it got stuck in a loop for a moment |
| 21:19.43 | keldwud | wasn't it somebody here that linked me to the bane outtakes? |
| 21:19.54 | keldwud | youtah: I tihnk it was you? |
| 21:20.02 | youtah | I havent posted my stuff online yet |
| 21:20.03 | keldwud | where he talks about eating veggies and stuff? |
| 21:20.08 | youtah | well, publicly |
| 21:20.18 | keldwud | it was a youtube video of somebody doing a voice over for bane |
| 21:20.32 | keldwud | https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IkMPZ7WeDck |
| 21:20.43 | keldwud | maybe it was from another channel then |
| 21:20.49 | youtah | H |
| 21:20.57 | youtah | Ah |
| 21:22.23 | keldwud | a couple days ago, when this lady was chewing me out about how I'm supposed to be taking care of my daughter, I was told that I have TOO MANY BOOKS for her |
| 21:22.37 | Tene | o_o |
| 21:22.39 | keldwud | my brain fizzled when I heard her tell me that |
| 21:22.55 | keldwud | even more so than the time someobdy told me I needed to stop feeding my kid so many vegetables |
| 21:23.05 | keldwud | god, I want to GTFO of here |
| 21:23.29 | keldwud | and live somewhere where me and my daughter can be safe from being abused by people who think books and vegetables are dangerous lifestyle choices |
| 21:23.42 | keldwud | is there anywhere where those lifestyle choices are socially acceptable? |
| 21:23.58 | keldwud | I sometimes wonder |
| 21:24.11 | youtah | Lehi utah |
| 21:24.12 | Tene | I've been quite happy since I left Utah for California. |
| 21:24.27 | keldwud | or maybe even go somehwere where I can be a single dad and raise my daughter without people freaking out all the time |
| 21:24.50 | keldwud | or always thinking my daughter doesn't have the best life because I won't give her up for adoption |
| 21:24.54 | youtah | Although, apparently there is this hippy oils garbage trend that has kicked up |
| 21:25.18 | keldwud | that's one part of utah culture that I can't respect. the "oh this family has more money than you, therefore you should give your child up to them" |
| 21:25.26 | ldav15 | People oil their garbage? |
| 21:25.35 | keldwud | and then if I don't give up my kid, I get treated like I'm abusing my daughter |
| 21:25.46 | keldwud | by "taking away the best life available to her" |
| 21:25.51 | keldwud | and that makes me selfish |
| 21:25.53 | keldwud | gah |
| 21:25.55 | youtah | What's that???!?!?! You chopped off your ear? Try put eucalyptus and lavender oil on it! |
| 21:26.12 | keldwud | what? |
| 21:26.15 | youtah | s/put/putting/ |
| 21:26.15 | keldwud | I'm not a hippie |
| 21:26.28 | KingMichael | Damn hippies |
| 21:26.28 | keldwud | just because I read books and eat veggies |
| 21:26.29 | keldwud | :( |
| 21:26.29 | youtah | I know... I'm saying that's a trend that is started down in Utah county |
| 21:26.30 | KingMichael | lol j/k |
| 21:26.57 | keldwud | the sad part is that hippies respect our lifestyle choices more than other people do |
| 21:27.09 | youtah | keldwud who are you hanging out with, that thinks that veggies are horrible? |
| 21:27.09 | KingMichael | Damn mormons |
| 21:27.11 | keldwud | whenever my child isn't with me, people disrespect our choices |
| 21:27.17 | youtah | I freaking LOVE veggies |
| 21:27.19 | keldwud | youtah: people who have raised kids |
| 21:27.23 | keldwud | therefore they know better than me |
| 21:27.27 | youtah | I've raised some kids |
| 21:27.29 | fugue88 | youtah: Nachos are veggies? |
| 21:27.31 | keldwud | they also know better than me because they have more money |
| 21:27.35 | youtah | Yes fugue88 |
| 21:27.39 | fugue88 | ack |
| 21:27.46 | youtah | just a type |
| 21:27.50 | keldwud | sorry, I don't know why I started ranting |
| 21:28.02 | keldwud | been receiving a lot of borderline verbal and emotional abuse lately |
| 21:28.02 | youtah | Oh man, now I want some delicious asparagus |
| 21:28.12 | keldwud | and it has been getting to me |
| 21:28.16 | youtah | and some steamed carrots |
| 21:28.23 | KingMichael | asparagus does sound good |
| 21:28.33 | youtah | soaked in butter of course |
| 21:28.39 | KingMichael | and artichoke |
| 21:28.51 | keldwud | omg I wish I had more veggies |
| 21:29.03 | KingMichael | Artichoke and mayo yummy |
| 21:29.08 | keldwud | ew mayo |
| 21:29.09 | youtah | dangit! now I'm hungry |
| 21:29.21 | Jayce^ | all of those kinda removed my hunger |
| 21:29.30 | keldwud | everytime I think of devilled eggs, I think of xzibit |
| 21:29.33 | fugue88 | keldwud: Once, on a software team, a couple of members harped on the whole team to write unit tests. They'd reduce how bugs go to production, etc. Guess who had, by far, the most bugs going to production? Those two members harping on the rest of the team. |
| 21:29.43 | fugue88 | s/how/how many/ |
| 21:29.47 | keldwud | fugue88: oh that's a nice anecdote |
| 21:29.50 | keldwud | I like it |
| 21:29.53 | keldwud | and it's true |
| 21:30.04 | keldwud | the lady harping on me because she was worried my kid is not taken care of? |
| 21:30.12 | fugue88 | ding |
| 21:30.16 | keldwud | well my daughter doesn't wet the bed, nor does she get tummy aches, nor does she cower in the corner |
| 21:30.27 | keldwud | but this lady was complaining to me about all three |
| 21:30.32 | keldwud | how she always wets the bed over there |
| 21:30.34 | keldwud | and gets tummy aches |
| 21:30.47 | keldwud | and how she covers her ears and says "it's loud and scary" |
| 21:30.56 | keldwud | she never once respected our diet |
| 21:31.05 | keldwud | or our lifestyle choices, like not watching television |
| 21:31.11 | keldwud | and things like that |
| 21:31.23 | keldwud | but I couldn't tell her that maybe she was the problem |
| 21:31.28 | keldwud | because that would just make my life miserable |
| 21:31.40 | Jayce^ | my sons 4th grae teacher complained that we let him read too much |
| 21:31.45 | keldwud | see! |
| 21:31.47 | keldwud | it's a thing |
| 21:31.53 | keldwud | people complain about too many books |
| 21:31.58 | Jayce^ | so you can hear crazy anywhere, I just kinda laugh at them |
| 21:32.00 | fugue88 | keldwud: Sounds like you're being a good father. |
| 21:32.05 | Jayce^ | and then take him out of school :) |
| 21:32.16 | keldwud | fugue88: yeah, but it takes a huge toll on my emotional stability :( |
| 21:32.21 | keldwud | not because it is hard raising a kid |
| 21:32.23 | fugue88 | nods |
| 21:32.31 | keldwud | BUT BECAUSE IT IS HARD DEALING WITH ASSWIPES WHO TELL ME HOW TO RAISE MY KID |
| 21:32.38 | keldwud | :( |
| 21:32.52 | ldav15 | Oh we can't have those kids reading. Next thing you know, they might try thinking for themselves... |
| 21:32.55 | keldwud | and people think they have the right to do that with me because I'm poor and a single father |
| 21:33.52 | skinner1 | ~skinner other parents who think they know how to raise your kid |
| 21:33.52 | infobot | ACTION buries other parents who think they know how to raise your kid in a giant waterfall... WHOOOOSH! |
| 21:33.54 | Jayce^ | last year the school district came after us because we'd taken our son out.. if we didn't do a bunch of extra paperwork for them they push neglect/abuse charges on us.. |
| 21:33.59 | keldwud | to be fair, the lady was trying to argue that having toys in their proper places was way more important than having a dozen books, she chastised me for having brought books home for my daughter and told me that one or two are okay |
| 21:34.00 | Jayce^ | when he really was just in a different district |
| 21:34.06 | keldwud | but that a dozen is just plain crazy |
| 21:34.52 | keldwud | she also yelled at me for allowing my daughter to dress herself and to wear "mismatched" clothes |
| 21:34.56 | keldwud | she felt it was akin to abuse |
| 21:35.13 | keldwud | my thought on the matter is that I want my daughter to feel confident and comfortable in her own skin no matter what |
| 21:35.34 | keldwud | and that she should be able to express herself through how she dresses in almost any way she chooses |
| 21:35.43 | keldwud | who cares if the colors match? |
| 21:35.54 | keldwud | that's not even a factor in child development |
| 21:35.58 | keldwud | period |
| 21:36.14 | keldwud | teaching her self confidence and appropriate expression skills, that is important |
| 21:36.25 | keldwud | same with reading. that is the number one indicator of future success in children |
| 21:36.39 | keldwud | how much the parents read to their children and how many books they have access to in the home |
| 21:37.22 | keldwud | kids with access to less than half-a-dozen books consistently scored poorly across the board and generally ended up in the system in some way or teen pregnancy or drugs, etc |
| 21:37.47 | keldwud | and then I have some bitch tell me that I need to read less to my child? |
| 21:37.50 | keldwud | gah |
| 21:38.02 | keldwud | ok sorry |
| 21:38.05 | keldwud | <PROTECTED> |
| 21:38.16 | keldwud | I think maybe I better go find a therapist |
| 21:38.19 | fugue88 | :D |
| 21:38.19 | keldwud | :) |
| 21:38.26 | Jayce^ | isnt' that what IRC is? |
| 21:38.37 | fugue88 | crowd-sourced eliza |
| 21:38.38 | manithree | I thought my mountain bike was |
| 21:39.04 | levi | keldwud: People are full of wrong opinions. It's quite vexing! |
| 21:39.08 | keldwud | Jayce^: heh, I do tend to treat IRC like it is my therapist :) |
| 21:39.18 | keldwud | levi: not sure if... ;) |
| 21:39.28 | fugue88 | keldwud: Therapist *and* big brother! |
| 21:39.32 | fugue88 | waves to Big Brother |
| 21:39.42 | keldwud | what you did thar... |
| 21:43.58 | levi | keldwud: My wife regularly brings home entire cloth shopping bags full of books for our kids from the library. And my daughter dresses herself every morning. I think you're on the right track, and the people criticizing you are nuts. |
| 21:44.16 | levi | There are a lot of nuts about! |
| 21:44.51 | Tene | +1 |
| 21:46.34 | unum | my wife and daughters visit the library every tuestday and bring home 10 books(they get the books for three weeks and always have 30 checked out, the max allowed on my wifes card) |
| 21:46.47 | unum | we have several shelves full of books |
| 21:47.06 | unum | and my daughters teacher expects us to read to her(or have her read to us) at least ten minutes a day |
| 21:47.13 | levi | I can't even fathom someone saying that a kid is reading too much or has too many books. |
| 21:47.20 | unum | don't worry we blow past that amount of time most days |
| 21:47.56 | unum | my wife and I don't have enough shelves for all our books :) |
| 21:48.20 | unum | of course those aren't children books, but we have plenty of those as well |
| 21:48.27 | levi | Yeah, both my kids have had 'read x minutes a day' for some x >= 20 homework since starting school. |
| 21:48.59 | unum | I found a book at the library called bad mother, that my wife really liked |
| 21:49.17 | unum | this woman talks about how much people judge other people with their kids |
| 21:49.36 | unum | talks about how she wrote an article stating she loved her husband more than her kids |
| 21:49.48 | unum | and people posted that her kids should be taken away from her |
| 21:50.22 | unum | we lean a little bit more towards the "free range" philosophy than some parents |
| 21:50.38 | Jayce^ | unum: I heard a great talk by Elder Nelson saying that same thing |
| 21:50.39 | keldwud | levi: thank you for the positive reinforcement. getting talked down to all the time IRL really takes its toll on me, so it is good to hear that I'm doing it right every now and again |
| 21:50.41 | unum | so when she's at the grocery store people are always asking her "is this your child" |
| 21:50.48 | Jayce^ | he emphasized spouse > children |
| 21:51.04 | Jayce^ | when it comes to working on your relationship |
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| 21:51.26 | keldwud | yeah, I'm of the free range philosophy too |
| 21:51.42 | keldwud | I'm just there to make sure she doesn't hurt herself or other people |
| 21:51.51 | youtah | I'd rather have non range-fed beef |
| 21:51.57 | keldwud | lol |
| 21:52.12 | unum | ya, we try to balance, I had to go hunt down our oldest child yesterday |
| 21:52.28 | unum | but she's 5 and was with friends so I wasn't worried about her |
| 21:52.28 | youtah | NEWEGG BOX! |
| 21:52.30 | keldwud | unum: it's definitely a difficult balance sometimes |
| 21:52.36 | unum | but I did make her come home for dinner |
| 21:52.37 | keldwud | because our instinct is always to micromanage them |
| 21:52.37 | levi | youtah: WOOT |
| 21:52.56 | keldwud | I plan on putting my 5 year old on the bus sometime before she turns six |
| 21:52.59 | keldwud | by herself |
| 21:53.08 | keldwud | with somebody at the stop of course |
| 21:53.17 | unum | I put my on the school bus, but not on a real bus |
| 21:53.40 | unum | but I've never been on a bus here |
| 21:53.44 | keldwud | I ride public transportation with her quite a bit |
| 21:53.58 | keldwud | and i won't do it until I know she can recognize where she's at easily |
| 21:54.13 | keldwud | but she's getting there. she can identify when she is in orem |
| 21:54.17 | keldwud | and when she is in provo |
| 21:54.36 | keldwud | and always points out my work and our previous apartments when we drive by them |
| 21:54.45 | unum | the "free range" woman had peopre angry for letting her kid take a subway |
| 21:54.47 | keldwud | and she has our phone number memorized |
| 21:54.50 | unum | I think he was atleast 9 |
| 21:54.57 | keldwud | was this the new york lady? |
| 21:55.01 | unum | ya |
| 21:55.08 | keldwud | handed her kid a pocket full of quarters |
| 21:55.10 | keldwud | I would totally do that |
| 21:55.26 | levi | Saw an interesting post on PsychologyToday about how 5th grade is a turning point for girls, where a lot of high-IQ girls start giving up on difficult classes and turning away from academics. The research pointed to the style of feedback given to them being one of the major contributors. |
| 21:55.30 | keldwud | well, there would be prep ahead of time, of course |
| 21:55.31 | unum | I'd probably give the kid a cell phone, but I'm not trying to prove a point :) |
| 21:55.36 | keldwud | I wouldn't do it if my kid didn't have the skills |
| 21:55.48 | unum | levi: interesting |
| 21:55.51 | manithree | keldwud: Every call your daughter "Ella Sarah"? |
| 21:56.20 | levi | Apparently girls tend to be told that they're succeeding because they're smart, while boys tend to be told that they're succeeding because they're working hard. |
| 21:56.27 | keldwud | .g Ella Sarah |
| 21:56.46 | keldwud | levi: that's another thing I try and avoid, gender based roles |
| 21:57.02 | keldwud | I allow her to role play gender based roles because that's part of child development and how they build models of how the world works |
| 21:57.12 | levi | The kids who get the 'smart' feedback think that they're not capable anymore when things get difficult, and give up much more easily. |
| 21:57.15 | keldwud | but I try not to let her have anything "strictly" male or strictly female |
| 21:57.28 | keldwud | yeah, I don't tell her she's so smart, etc |
| 21:57.37 | keldwud | I reward her with attention and other forms of praise |
| 21:57.50 | keldwud | specific praise, like, you did such a good job doin x when you y |
| 21:57.56 | keldwud | if that makes any sense? |
| 21:58.27 | keldwud | when she succeeds, I *try* to identify the steps that led to her success |
| 21:58.32 | manithree | All this talk of kids dressing themselves and books reminded me that I've called all 3 of my daughters that (and they knew exactly what I meant): http://www.goodreads.com/book/show/162720.Ella_Sarah_Gets_Dressed |
| 21:58.42 | unum | levi: that's right I remember seeing stuff like that, you are supposed to say, "you worked hard" |
| 21:58.44 | keldwud | try, because, well, I'm not the best at always being positive :) |
| 21:59.05 | keldwud | sweet, speaking of which |
| 21:59.07 | keldwud | daughter is here :) |
| 21:59.13 | keldwud | can't wait to go home and read books with her :) |
| 21:59.22 | keldwud | later guys |
| 22:01.06 | levi | Seeya. |
| 22:07.32 | KingMichael | Anyone in here from Sandy |
| 22:31.51 | youtah | http://imgur.com/gallery/dwwJ5jx |
| 22:31.59 | youtah | KingMichael, I lived in Sandy for 6 years |
| 22:34.47 | unum | I drive through sandy every work day |
| 22:34.52 | unum | lived there until a year ago |
| 22:34.58 | unum | but only for two years |
| 22:35.15 | unum | though I've lived very close sandy for the past 8 |
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| 23:19.22 | KingMichael | Cool I'v lived in sandy my whole life |
| 23:21.01 | KingMichael | Whats better cinnamon or kde i can't tell they look the same to me |
| 23:23.08 | KingMichael | i'm installing Arch but don't no what desk top environment to use gnome kde or cinnamon xfce |
| 23:23.27 | KingMichael | I'm kinda thinking xfce |
| 23:24.20 | KingMichael | I need a little more people in my chat so my room is ##bluedream all is welcome |
| 23:25.02 | KingMichael | ttyl bye peeps |
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| 23:34.37 | youtah | http://i.imgur.com/UYgKJkb.png |
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