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| 16:34.12 | Migs | is anyone going to saintcon? |
| 16:35.49 | Migs | besides pashdown, obviously |
| 16:37.08 | T4rku5 | I want very much to |
| 16:37.22 | Migs | it's a little pricey, but seems like it would be worth it |
| 16:37.30 | T4rku5 | isn't it $200? |
| 16:37.38 | Migs | yeah |
| 16:37.53 | Migs | Not all the sessions are of interest me |
| 16:38.03 | Migs | *interest to me |
| 16:42.51 | T4rku5 | that's me at every conference I"ve been to |
| 16:42.59 | T4rku5 | one hour, there are three talks I want |
| 16:43.01 | T4rku5 | next hour, none |
| 16:43.27 | manithree | T4rku5: That's how they get repeat business |
| 16:44.34 | T4rku5 | I had an interesting conversation with one of the organizers for BSidesLondon |
| 16:44.46 | T4rku5 | they put all the talks up and invite all the attendees to vote. |
| 16:44.55 | T4rku5 | The most popular talks are scheduled at different times |
| 16:45.31 | T4rku5 | if you only have one track, like we did at BSidesSLC (and likely will again this year), then you just want the popular ones in the middle of the day |
| 16:45.40 | T4rku5 | but if you have multiple tracks, that's a great way to go |
| 16:53.46 | fungus | Migs, first i've heard of it. Looks interesting, i might go. |
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| 16:54.59 | fungus | Make me marvel at how amazing OpenWest is, much bigger and better for a whole lot less money. |
| 16:55.11 | fungus | s/Make/Makes/ |
| 17:02.21 | Migs | T4rku5: It seems like Saintcon is mostly just one track |
| 17:02.34 | Migs | which frankly, sounds kind of boring. I like a little mixture. |
| 17:02.46 | Migs | Wednesday has a divide between two session tracks, it looks like |
| 17:02.59 | Migs | http://saintcon.org/ |
| 17:04.45 | T4rku5 | four days of one track |
| 17:04.53 | T4rku5 | it fits my mind |
| 17:11.55 | pashdown | migs, i can talk about classic arcade games too if you like |
| 17:14.42 | Migs | talk away. I'm not really picky, tbh. |
| 17:20.55 | T4rku5 | I wish I was better at Defender |
| 17:21.03 | T4rku5 | that game was always better than me |
| 17:45.46 | jlp_znc | I hated Defender. Now, Robotron, there was a game. Simple, intuitive interface, no crazy buttons to mash, kill the robots and save the humans. |
| 17:50.52 | ldav15 | Robotron was a fun game. |
| 17:51.50 | jlp_znc | I had a chance to buy one for $100 back in 1986, but couldn't scrounge up $100 (I was a college student with wife and child). |
| 17:58.51 | ldav15 | Too bad. But there's this: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QdNt06dyEkw |
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| 18:44.15 | harleypig | I used to play Galaga after dropping a microdot ... |
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| 18:45.33 | harleypig | Wow ... virtual flashback ... |
| 18:51.59 | keldwud | mmm.. synthetic mescaline |
| 19:04.38 | jlp_znc | ldav15: cool use of Raspberry Pi. I do have Robotron on my Xbox, but the Xbox controller is ... not quite as robust as a real arcade control panel. |
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| 19:26.43 | keldwud | pashdown == Good Guy ISP/CEO. I saw him in another channel offering support to a customer. |
| 19:27.04 | keldwud | how many companies do that? that's just awesome right there :) |
| 19:27.55 | pashdown | IRC isn't taught in business school |
| 19:28.59 | keldwud | it's such a great communication tool, though. |
| 19:29.13 | keldwud | I've seen business deals go down through IRC |
| 19:29.37 | harleypig | ah, pashdown's just trying to make a good impression on people so they'll keep buying his services. |
| 19:29.46 | harleypig | wait ... that's just good customer service :] |
| 19:30.24 | harleypig | meh |
| 19:30.27 | harleypig | that sounded better in my head |
| 19:32.04 | Migs | sounds like a scam to me. Being nice so people will buy your services? |
| 19:34.40 | harleypig | :] |
| 19:35.03 | pashdown | it is a scam. my salary goes to no worthwhile use. |
| 19:35.08 | keldwud | Migs++ :) |
| 19:35.19 | harleypig | pashdown: :D |
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| 19:35.59 | keldwud | I'm gonna work for xmission one of these days :-p |
| 19:36.53 | keldwud | and then point back at this chat log when it happens and say "see" :) |
| 19:37.58 | harleypig | s/^.*?keldwud.*?work for xmission.*$// |
| 19:38.08 | harleypig | Now you can't point back to it. |
| 19:38.30 | keldwud | heeeyyy |
| 19:38.32 | keldwud | :-p |
| 19:39.14 | harleypig | is in a mean mood |
| 19:39.17 | harleypig | neener! |
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| 19:40.51 | jxqz | neenered |
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| 19:41.04 | keldwud | oh did you get your internet connection fixed, overridemymind? |
| 19:41.19 | overridemymind | hopefully |
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| 19:41.58 | overridemymind | we've been pretty stable, but I'm not saying definitely 100% yes just because as soon as I do it'll start soiling itself again |
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| 19:52.25 | youtah | so stderr- ... after our conversation yesterday about spiders. I killed FOUR black widows in my garage last night. |
| 19:52.35 | youtah | my next door neighbor had two. |
| 19:52.44 | overridemymind | time to burn down the neighborhood |
| 19:52.46 | T4rku5 | black widows? |
| 19:53.00 | youtah | We have sprayed our foundation like crazy now, as well as the bottom of the garage door |
| 19:53.02 | T4rku5 | what municipality do you live in, youtah? |
| 19:53.06 | youtah | Lehi |
| 19:53.08 | T4rku5 | ack |
| 19:53.22 | youtah | We used to get them all the time in Cottonwood Heights too |
| 19:53.29 | T4rku5 | I live in Orem, but work in Lehi |
| 19:53.56 | youtah | and these weren't little itty bitty suckers either. These were (including legs extended) 3+ inches in diameter |
| 19:54.53 | youtah | Kinetic energy extraction using Boyles Law worked wonderfully for each one of them. |
| 19:55.08 | overridemymind | vomits |
| 19:55.14 | youtah | ROFL |
| 19:56.24 | T4rku5 | http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Boyle%27s_law |
| 19:56.31 | T4rku5 | how did you do them in? |
| 19:57.02 | youtah | I used the rapid expansion of a liquid to a gas to freeze them instantly |
| 19:57.34 | T4rku5 | still in the dark |
| 19:57.44 | youtah | I froze them with a can of air, turned upside down |
| 19:58.37 | youtah | I have since then, purchased spider/insect poison/spray from Lowes |
| 19:58.56 | overridemymind | I actually like the freezing them method |
| 19:59.04 | overridemymind | knows what he's gonna do this weekend |
| 19:59.11 | youtah | lol |
| 19:59.16 | keldwud | I wished I had thought about the freezing method when I had roaches in the avenues |
| 19:59.34 | keldwud | it was a basement unit of an old building |
| 20:00.16 | T4rku5 | !! Ah !! This makes sense!! |
| 20:00.24 | T4rku5 | never thought of doing that to kill spiders |
| 20:00.30 | T4rku5 | just freeze quarters |
| 20:00.34 | T4rku5 | but that's awesome! |
| 20:00.49 | youtah | Neither had I.... until I was stuck in a house with gazillions of moving boxes |
| 20:00.57 | youtah | and I had NO idea where anything was |
| 20:01.02 | youtah | except for a can of air |
| 20:01.06 | T4rku5 | lol |
| 20:01.12 | T4rku5 | lmao that's awesome |
| 20:01.32 | T4rku5 | ok, so I see wolf spiders everywhere, how do you know you're looking at a black widow? |
| 20:01.32 | overridemymind | hopes he stumbles on spider kingdom with his new fire extinguisher |
| 20:01.37 | youtah | Just don't go full bore, or it will blow the spider back towards you. |
| 20:01.58 | overridemymind | black widows typically have a big red hourglass on their ass |
| 20:02.14 | T4rku5 | and if I sit on the toilet too long, so do I |
| 20:02.21 | youtah | T4rku5, long skinny legs, entirely black, tends to be shiny, rounded marble like body, red hour glass on it's belly |
| 20:02.31 | overridemymind | sprays T4rku5 with his fire extinguisher |
| 20:02.37 | T4rku5 | the hour glass is on the belly or the back? |
| 20:02.46 | youtah | http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/c/cd/Black_Widow_11-06.jpg |
| 20:03.05 | T4rku5 | got it |
| 20:03.12 | T4rku5 | ok, no, I haven't seen any of those |
| 20:03.12 | T4rku5 | yet |
| 20:03.15 | youtah | those are the females |
| 20:03.20 | youtah | the males are brown and boring |
| 20:03.26 | T4rku5 | aren't we always? |
| 20:03.36 | youtah | you'll never see those, because the females will eat them after mating |
| 20:04.11 | youtah | hence the nickname "black widow" |
| 20:04.18 | T4rku5 | right |
| 20:04.49 | youtah | "Its bite is dangerous because of the neurotoxin latrotoxin, which causes the condition latrodectism, both named for the genus. The female black widow has unusually large venom glands and its bite is particularly harmful to humans; however, Latrodectus bites rarely kill humans if proper medical treatment is provided." |
| 20:05.00 | youtah | Sorry, that ended up being longer than I thought it would be |
| 20:06.57 | keldwud | hmm.. isn't there a website that lists ISPs in Utah County? |
| 20:07.08 | keldwud | I can list some off the top of my head |
| 20:07.27 | keldwud | Fibernet, Utopia, Xmission, Comcast, iProvo, |
| 20:07.41 | keldwud | Qwest (centurylink?) |
| 20:07.54 | keldwud | is it veracity? is that who is in provo? |
| 20:08.02 | youtah | iprovo |
| 20:08.03 | keldwud | and who else am I missing? |
| 20:08.06 | youtah | and veracity |
| 20:08.15 | keldwud | if you tell me neighborhood ISP, I'll punch you in the face |
| 20:08.21 | youtah | http://bit.ly/15zDpAD |
| 20:08.23 | keldwud | :) |
| 20:08.38 | keldwud | google gave me this: http://utah.theispguide.com/ |
| 20:08.41 | keldwud | and a bunch of other spam |
| 20:08.47 | youtah | ;-) yeah, I had to |
| 20:08.52 | keldwud | and I couldn't figure out how to properly refine my search |
| 20:09.05 | youtah | I look for opportunities to LMGTFY |
| 20:09.05 | keldwud | it's okay, telling people to google is obligatory and I understand :) |
| 20:09.14 | keldwud | have you seen LMMTFY? |
| 20:09.19 | youtah | lol, no |
| 20:09.20 | keldwud | http://lmmtfy.net |
| 20:09.24 | keldwud | it's wicked cool |
| 20:09.28 | keldwud | let me man that for you |
| 20:09.48 | keldwud | it will be your new favorite toy for shell commands :) |
| 20:10.01 | youtah | afk |
| 20:10.02 | youtah | brb |
| 20:10.05 | keldwud | so anyway, am I missing any utah county ISPs? |
| 20:10.30 | jxqz | tgb |
| 20:10.32 | jxqz | nhy |
| 20:10.34 | jxqz | ujm |
| 20:10.34 | youtah | Utah Broadband, Clear Link |
| 20:10.44 | youtah | wait |
| 20:10.47 | youtah | is it clear link? |
| 20:10.48 | youtah | no |
| 20:10.58 | keldwud | jxqz: wat? |
| 20:10.59 | jxqz | cloudy link |
| 20:11.01 | youtah | the blue skies guys, that no one ever uses |
| 20:11.12 | youtah | can't think of their name |
| 20:11.30 | jxqz | keldwud: sometimes youtah speaketh in 3 letter 'words' |
| 20:11.39 | jxqz | so I'm trying it out |
| 20:11.42 | keldwud | oooh I see |
| 20:11.47 | keldwud | I get it now :) |
| 20:12.13 | keldwud | well I guess I'll obviously try xmission first, but I'm in provo... |
| 20:12.19 | youtah | Oh, don't forget digis either |
| 20:12.27 | keldwud | digis, thank you |
| 20:12.42 | keldwud | knowing all the ISPs makes it easier to shop around |
| 20:12.59 | keldwud | I hope xmission doesn't hate me if I go with google fiber |
| 20:13.01 | keldwud | lol |
| 20:13.42 | jxqz | google won't let you host on them |
| 20:13.59 | jxqz | because that's 'inappropriate' somehow |
| 20:14.16 | keldwud | does that mean I can't use OpenVPN for a single user? |
| 20:14.18 | jxqz | so much for net neutrality |
| 20:14.28 | keldwud | also, I'm poor |
| 20:14.47 | keldwud | I mean, it's difficult to argue for me to pay more money per month for less bandwidth |
| 20:15.17 | keldwud | wait, there are ISPs that let you host? |
| 20:15.42 | jxqz | there are ISPs that don't? |
| 20:16.44 | jxqz | there should be a thicket of state and federal laws prohibiting isp restrictions on usage patterns, reinforcing net neutrality |
| 20:17.24 | jxqz | sadly there aren't. In fact there are probably already many laws paid by telco monopolies designed to enforce the opposite |
| 20:17.33 | keldwud | "but my users use the internet too much!" |
| 20:17.39 | jxqz | haha |
| 20:17.57 | keldwud | "I'm sick and tired of my customers taking advantage of me and using my services" |
| 20:18.10 | keldwud | if they would only learn how to use things how I want them to be used |
| 20:18.17 | keldwud | then everything would be okay, right? ;) |
| 20:18.35 | jxqz | isp == nanny => totalitarian |
| 20:18.46 | keldwud | that was my big issue with my last ISP |
| 20:18.55 | keldwud | *very* much a nanny |
| 20:19.01 | manithree | jxqz: and it's much better to have totalitarian gov than isps, right? |
| 20:19.11 | keldwud | hmmm |
| 20:19.19 | keldwud | totalitarian gov vs totalitarian corp |
| 20:19.30 | keldwud | well, I think a totalitarian corp would be better, honestly |
| 20:19.35 | jxqz | well, xm is anything but a nanny, that's why I spend $5 more per month to use them |
| 20:19.40 | keldwud | because human capital is necessary for a corp to survive |
| 20:19.56 | jxqz | they GIVE you a public IP by default |
| 20:20.01 | keldwud | so corps don't outright murder people, they just do it by poisoning our supplies |
| 20:20.31 | keldwud | whereas the gov can kill you without any warning |
| 20:20.38 | keldwud | and without any repurcussions |
| 20:20.40 | manithree | I do wish I had Utopia available so I could choose Xmission. |
| 20:21.19 | jxqz | I have xmission over qworst |
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| 20:21.35 | manithree | They told me I couldn't because I had the fiber DSL. |
| 20:21.39 | manithree | have |
| 20:21.53 | keldwud | oh yeah, I can't get xmission in provo |
| 20:22.01 | keldwud | well, I can. If I want qwest |
| 20:22.04 | manithree | I actually called Xmission, and they agreed (I'm in Orem) |
| 20:22.05 | keldwud | ew |
| 20:22.39 | jxqz | really? |
| 20:23.07 | jxqz | I thought it was illegal for quest to offer a service without allowing 3rd party isps access to the same infrastructure |
| 20:23.08 | keldwud | hmm... where do I go for iprovo? iprovo.net is down |
| 20:23.22 | jxqz | broadwaive or something |
| 20:23.52 | manithree | jxqz: That's what I thought, too. I'd switch in a heartbeat no naked DSL and XM if I could. |
| 20:24.00 | manithree | s/no/to/ |
| 20:25.01 | Q_Continuum | jxqz: DSL was deregulated in 2005, so its like Cable now. A natural, locally-enforced monopoly. The fact they still allow 3rd parties access at all is amazing. (But if you want more than 1.5 or 3Mbit, you're hosed) |
| 20:25.20 | manithree | I've got 20 mbit |
| 20:25.54 | manithree | Only 1Mbit up, tho |
| 20:26.01 | jxqz | that's crap |
| 20:26.27 | keldwud | how in the heck do I sign up for iprovo |
| 20:26.43 | romanovic | i call centurylink every so often and tell them i'd like to sign up for the 25 or 40 Mbps plan |
| 20:26.45 | jxqz | keldwud: they're still trying to find it |
| 20:26.59 | keldwud | jxqz: what do you mean? |
| 20:27.00 | romanovic | so they start the process and then I tell them I would like it through XMission |
| 20:27.09 | keldwud | I have to sign up with comcast for internet? |
| 20:27.13 | keldwud | while living in provo? |
| 20:27.22 | jxqz | keldwud: iprovo doesn't know where all it's wires are located |
| 20:27.28 | keldwud | lol oooooooh |
| 20:27.33 | keldwud | ok |
| 20:27.33 | keldwud | :) |
| 20:27.43 | keldwud | checks veracity |
| 20:28.59 | romanovic | and they proceed to tell me XMission is slow, only 7Mbps, and I would enjoy much faster speeds if I just signed up as a proper Centurylink customer (limiting xmission to the old 7Mbps infrastructure is arbitrary on their part, has nothing to do with xmission's actual available speed). so I tell them to forget it until they can play nice. |
| 20:29.03 | keldwud | oh hey, I remember applying with them before |
| 20:29.12 | romanovic | realises they will never make it any easier |
| 20:29.59 | keldwud | lamesauce |
| 20:30.07 | keldwud | I have to leave a voice mail to have a sales agent call me back? |
| 20:30.16 | keldwud | why can't you just tell me if there is service in my area and how much it is? |
| 20:30.23 | keldwud | maybe I don't want veracity after all |
| 20:30.39 | Q_Continuum | romanovic: Get 5k people who are Comcast subscribers to call up CLink and tell them that, and they might listen. (Or all submit it as 'feedback') "I'll switch when I can have xmission as my ISP, AND have modern speeds." |
| 20:31.34 | jxqz | ugh, veracity |
| 20:31.41 | manithree | I can't decided if I want to switch back to comcast |
| 20:32.23 | keldwud | just the fact that I can't determine if they service my address nor can I get prices, *and* that I can't get through to an agent in the middle of the business day |
| 20:32.28 | keldwud | well, those are all red flags for me |
| 20:32.58 | keldwud | btw, meetup at Costa Vida in Orem at 12:15pm on Friday |
| 20:33.03 | keldwud | open invite |
| 20:33.17 | T4rku5 | keldwud, nonsense |
| 20:33.30 | T4rku5 | :p |
| 20:33.33 | keldwud | T4rku5: which part? :-p |
| 20:33.45 | keldwud | oh yeah, the meetup to which you are already attending :) |
| 20:33.54 | keldwud | *for |
| 20:35.14 | keldwud | gah. no fibernet either |
| 20:35.25 | keldwud | okay so provo has fiber, but I can't order fiber? |
| 20:35.28 | keldwud | what gives |
| 20:35.33 | keldwud | this is so frustrating for me |
| 20:37.02 | keldwud | utah broadband looks cool, but expensive compared to the prices I would pay at comcast |
| 20:37.24 | keldwud | am I just fooling myself when I think I'm going to order internet from anywhere *but* comcast? |
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| 20:43.46 | romanovic | keldwud: yes. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0ilMx7k7mso |
| 20:45.05 | romanovic | "You'll have the option of choosing from several of our completely unwarranted rip-offs, including internet speeds up to 200x slower than Korea at 2x the price" |
| 20:49.37 | keldwud | poll: if you had 500 servers and a dev team and lots of office space, what would you do with it? |
| 20:56.04 | goozbach | paintball course |
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| 21:00.40 | jxqz | haunted startup |
| 21:03.14 | Gate | (strong language warning): http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0ilMx7k7mso |
| 21:03.28 | Gate | gah |
| 21:03.31 | Gate | ignore that |
| 21:03.54 | Gate | I totally didn't just post a link 5 messages after someone else did. I would never do that. |
| 21:03.59 | Gate | Ever. |
| 21:05.17 | jxqz | s/link/clowns/ |
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| 21:18.48 | Migs | i didn't see anything |
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| 21:21.06 | keldwud | ok sorry, had to mess with my network after I asked the question. can I ask one more time? |
| 21:21.13 | keldwud | poll: if you had 500 servers and a dev team and lots of office space, what would you do with it? |
| 21:23.10 | Migs | you just asked that |
| 21:24.01 | Migs | what kind of dev team? |
| 21:24.55 | keldwud | mostly front end, but we have a couple full stack programmers |
| 21:25.57 | neybar_work_ | I'm confused. Are you asking what to do with the 500 servers, or the dev team? |
| 21:26.04 | keldwud | both :) |
| 21:26.21 | neybar_work_ | you should put the 500 servers in the server room :) |
| 21:26.31 | keldwud | har har :-p |
| 21:26.34 | neybar_work_ | and offices for each of the devs |
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| 21:26.54 | keldwud | everyone on the internet is a smart-ass :) |
| 21:27.14 | neybar_work | that wasn't smart-ass. I'm for reals. Or is that not the question. |
| 21:27.43 | neybar_work | none of this open space plan/no walls garbage. |
| 21:28.51 | jlp_znc | private offices for the win |
| 21:29.17 | jlp_znc | that was the best thing about working for iMALL back ... uh ... a long time ago. |
| 21:29.34 | jlp_znc | and yes, I'm serious. that *was* the best thing. |
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| 21:30.21 | jlp_znc | they were tiny private offices, but they had actual doors that you could close. |
| 21:30.33 | keldwud | well lets assume the servers are already in a room and the devs already have an office |
| 21:31.04 | jlp_znc | are you looking for a business idea? |
| 21:31.11 | Jayce^ | jlp_znc: I should have guessed you were an imaller |
| 21:31.23 | jlp_znc | like, I have this company and all, and I don't know what to do with it? |
| 21:31.42 | jlp_znc | Jayce^: I was. I'm not proud of it. |
| 21:31.55 | manithree | keldwud: 1. The cloud 2. ???? 3. Profit !! |
| 21:32.14 | neybar_work | manithree++ |
| 21:32.45 | neybar_work | If you have lots of diskspace you could start the next dropbox/copy/box.net clone |
| 21:32.47 | manithree | That was much funnier with the cloud to butt plugin |
| 21:32.49 | jxqz | s/the cloud/sjansen's beard/g # FTW |
| 21:33.25 | jxqz | thank you Stanley |
| 21:33.31 | keldwud | jlp_znc: shhh, don't tell anybody my secret ;) |
| 21:33.40 | keldwud | do people charge for business ideas? |
| 21:34.06 | jlp_znc | well, the idea people typically want something. even if it's just equity. |
| 21:34.51 | jlp_znc | I have some ideas, but I'm not going to give them away for free. :-) |
| 21:35.02 | keldwud | :) |
| 21:35.37 | keldwud | maybe I'll hit you up if things don't work out then :) |
| 21:36.34 | keldwud | so far I've gathered rendering farm and/or some sort of "reverse trading desk" as a goldman sachs customer |
| 21:36.58 | jlp_znc | psh, my ideas are better than that |
| 21:37.57 | keldwud | I'll use that for my selling point if it comes to that point, I'll say "jlp_znc's ideas are better than that, psh" ;) |
| 21:38.24 | jxqz | make a flaming bra |
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| 21:45.07 | ldav15 | I know. Become the leading development house for Windows Phone apps (besides MS). You'd be that immediately. |
| 21:45.14 | fungus | keldwud, fire your CEO. Spending all that cash w/o a business plan is insane. |
| 21:45.24 | jxqz | haha |
| 21:46.18 | fungus | unless you meant it in a hypothetical way, as in just fishing for ideas to start from? |
| 21:47.57 | keldwud | well, considering some here know personal details about me, let's assume the latter :) |
| 21:48.15 | keldwud | so as not to put any hypothetical companies at risk by exposing them |
| 21:48.23 | fungus | rofl |
| 21:48.37 | keldwud | ldav15++ for the lulz :) |
| 21:48.49 | ldav15 | I try. |
| 21:50.21 | fungus | keldwud, first layoff all but 4 or 5 of your best devs, sell all but 4 or 5 servers, then use the cash to sustain you as you develop your business plan. |
| 21:50.41 | Migs | fungus++ |
| 21:50.51 | keldwud | would that also mean lay off the noob jr sysadmin? |
| 21:50.56 | keldwud | cuz that would suck |
| 21:50.57 | keldwud | :) |
| 21:51.02 | fungus | lol |
| 21:51.06 | ldav15 | lol |
| 21:51.23 | keldwud | also, I think the infrastructure would be more valuable in production rather than as a sale |
| 21:51.41 | jxqz | run an ad farm |
| 21:51.42 | fungus | Then sell the whole thing as a set. |
| 21:52.13 | keldwud | *with* a jr noob sysadmin who knows all the hardware in and out? ;) |
| 21:52.16 | keldwud | heh |
| 21:52.22 | keldwud | and here, take this guy with it |
| 21:52.29 | fungus | Exactly. :) |
| 21:52.38 | keldwud | :) |
| 21:53.07 | keldwud | that is pretty realistic considering much of the hardware requires some specialized knowledge |
| 21:53.58 | fungus | Talk to your best devs and learn their best skills and desires, and start there. |
| 21:54.17 | fungus | Starting a new business plan requires strong skills *and* desires. |
| 21:54.33 | jxqz | what about stopping a new business plan? |
| 21:55.52 | fungus | or, keep the jr noob sysadmin, and become a hosting provider. Though that's a cutthroat, difficult, painful industry. |
| 21:56.18 | Migs | unless you find a niche |
| 21:58.30 | Jayce^ | no, it's still cutthroat |
| 21:58.36 | Jayce^ | even with niche's |
| 21:59.03 | jxqz | what if you find a lollipop? |
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| 22:00.06 | Migs | not if the niche has almost no competition |
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| 22:01.10 | keldwud | hmm.. |
| 22:01.50 | keldwud | so I know how to manage specific vlans and how to add new ones and how to trunk them across my network between datacenters and switches, etc |
| 22:02.02 | keldwud | but what I don't know how to do is how to make one vlan talk to another |
| 22:02.13 | keldwud | or even better, make one vlan talk to two vlans that can't talk to each other |
| 22:02.16 | Migs | with a little learning, this can be a one-man operation! |
| 22:03.01 | fungus | keldwud, a router |
| 22:03.13 | keldwud | ahh, so I'd need to do it in my pfsense? |
| 22:03.21 | keldwud | oh yeah, duh |
| 22:03.32 | fungus | maybe, or maybe just a basic internal router. |
| 22:03.34 | keldwud | if I would have thought about it better, I could have thought "I need a route from point A to point B" |
| 22:06.54 | jlp_znc | keldwud: also look at layer-3 switches |
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| 22:07.46 | jlp_znc | i.e. http://www.cisco.com/en/US/tech/tk389/tk815/technologies_configuration_example09186a008019e74e.shtml |
| 22:08.00 | keldwud | hmm... my new network doesn't like to stay active |
| 22:08.03 | keldwud | that's not good |
| 22:08.22 | keldwud | thank you jlp |
| 22:08.28 | keldwud | *jlp_znc |
| 22:08.51 | keldwud | ahh, that's the word I needed :) interVLAN routing |
| 22:09.24 | keldwud | I didn't even know what to google for, but this document looks like a good starting point for me |
| 22:09.25 | keldwud | thanks |
| 22:11.33 | jlp_znc | np |
| 22:11.34 | fungus | interVLAN routing is a fancy way of saying a switch that has a built-in router |
| 22:12.22 | jlp_znc | fungus: sort of... it typically uses asic switching hardware to handle the (somewhat simplified) routing. it also doesn't do any of the fancy stuff that a full blown (software) router would do. |
| 22:13.14 | jlp_znc | we used to use it at Cadence... it was weird setting the default route on each machine to it's own IP address, but it magically worked. :-) |
| 22:13.46 | fungus | yup, but i didn't want to bury the noob in too much detail all at once. |
| 22:14.03 | jlp_znc | awww |
| 22:14.15 | keldwud | hmm |
| 22:14.22 | keldwud | blue host, you're getting a bad rep in some places |
| 22:14.40 | keldwud | "<yyyy`> you're trying to blue host me |
| 22:14.40 | keldwud | <xxx> :D |
| 22:14.40 | keldwud | <zzzz> blue host is acceptable to use as an insult now" |
| 22:14.56 | Jayce^ | lol |
| 22:14.57 | keldwud | just a heads up :) |
| 22:15.09 | jxqz | bluegreen host |
| 22:15.12 | Jayce^ | not new.. discount market *always* gets that effect |
| 22:15.30 | keldwud | I can share the channel if anybody wants to go check it out and get some valuable feeback |
| 22:15.43 | keldwud | this isn't the first time I've heard negative comments about bluehost while on freenode |
| 22:15.52 | Jayce^ | nor will it be the last |
| 22:15.55 | keldwud | haha |
| 22:15.59 | keldwud | ok :) |
| 22:16.11 | Jayce^ | funniest is when you get people trying to do "enterprise" hosting on the $5 a month shared hosting account |
| 22:16.11 | keldwud | just wasn't sure if it was a known thing or an unknown thing |
| 22:16.14 | Jayce^ | wondering why they dont' get root |
| 22:16.32 | keldwud | well, these are sysadmins, so they are probably using more than just the lowest tier |
| 22:16.34 | keldwud | but I'm not sure |
| 22:16.42 | Jayce^ | probably not |
| 22:17.02 | Jayce^ | as in we didn't have anything other than that tier until just barely this year |
| 22:17.06 | Jayce^ | for the bluehost brand |
| 22:17.17 | keldwud | aahh ok |
| 22:17.56 | keldwud | so that's why I would hear more complaints from sysadmins, because their used to trying to do things and then when they try to do it on a shared hosting account and don't get their expected results, they whine |
| 22:18.04 | keldwud | s/their/they're |
| 22:18.06 | keldwud | gah |
| 22:18.14 | Jayce^ | yup, very common thing to get here |
| 22:18.20 | keldwud | ok :) good to know |
| 22:18.30 | keldwud | just lookin out for you guys, that's all :) |
| 22:18.34 | Jayce^ | I'd never be happy on a shared account, as I would expect most people here trying to do their own thing |
| 22:18.55 | keldwud | so maybe I should drop a hint that blue host offers more than just shared accounts now? |
| 22:19.31 | Jayce^ | we also get a lot of people pissed because of our content restrictions on shared platforms.. |
| 22:19.40 | jlp_znc | I wouldn't bother getting involved. you'll look like a shill, and it won't change anyone's opinions. |
| 22:20.02 | keldwud | what's wrong with being a shill every now and again? :) |
| 22:20.03 | Jayce^ | so many people that sign up, immediately drop in some .iso's of content they shouldn't be sharing, etc.. |
| 22:20.10 | Migs | lol |
| 22:20.19 | jlp_znc | :-) |
| 22:20.22 | keldwud | we all do it in one form or another :) |
| 22:20.25 | Jayce^ | keldwud: I'd suggest signing up to be an affiliate if you are going to do that :) make some good money in the process |
| 22:20.31 | keldwud | I mean, we are all practically xmission shills |
| 22:20.36 | Migs | Dreamhost once busted me because I stashed my MP3 collection on their servers |
| 22:20.38 | keldwud | since we love them so much around here |
| 22:20.41 | Migs | they were polite about it, though |
| 22:20.49 | Migs | "Just remove it as soon as you can." |
| 22:21.27 | keldwud | Jayce^: you may have a good point there |
| 22:21.58 | keldwud | I do have access to a lot of people asking for recommendations sometimes |
| 22:22.28 | keldwud | and also have access to a bunch who are already aware of bluehost which I could upsell to better accounts now that blue host offers non-shared? |
| 22:23.36 | keldwud | oh well, time for me to get to my birthday party |
| 22:23.39 | keldwud | wish me luck |
| 22:23.43 | keldwud | I need to shower first |
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