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| 00:31.21 | shalkie | harleypig_ and gate: We have never had much luck invading Canada. |
| 00:31.56 | harleypig_ | Next time! We'll succeed next time! |
| 00:37.14 | mheath | We're working on Syria first :) |
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| 01:30.53 | harleypig | I have a bizarre situation I need to figure out. I have a server on a cloudstack setup. ping always works, even if the machine is gone, but the ip is still allocated. |
| 01:31.02 | harleypig | idiotic way to do that. |
| 01:31.24 | harleypig | I need to test if the machine is accessible |
| 01:32.00 | harleypig | is there a way to do something like 'good=$(ping -c 1 -w 5 server.address)' ? |
| 01:32.08 | harleypig | but using ... something else? |
| 01:38.24 | harleypig | found it: good=$(curl --head -s http://server.address) |
| 01:38.38 | harleypig | obviously only works if an http server is there, but works for me. |
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| 07:16.16 | mrpull | http://www.rockymountainpower.net/ed/po/uoi.html |
| 07:16.39 | mrpull | ugh. ETR was 10:30PM, then 1:30AM, now 3:30AM. |
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| 14:48.58 | skrike | does migs still possess his manhood? |
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| 14:58.00 | Migs | yeah...it was just a big misunderstanding |
| 14:58.02 | Migs | I overreacted |
| 14:58.08 | keldwud | harleypig: I agree with the authenticity of what the kids actually heard the man say. I'm not doubting he is suspicious, but parents have quite a bit of sway and tend to project events into their children's collective memory whether they mean to or not |
| 14:58.15 | Migs | she didn't even want to look at my browser history. She just thought transparency would be a good idea, which I agree with anyway. |
| 14:58.26 | Migs | she's not "checking up" on me, in other words |
| 14:58.52 | Migs | She actually said, "What are you talking about? I'm not like that at all." |
| 15:01.11 | Migs | the issue of sharing passwords just never came up in our marriage |
| 15:01.25 | Migs | neither of us really cared until now |
| 15:01.53 | skrike | so your secret porn stash is safe... phew. |
| 15:02.06 | Migs | ya, thankfully |
| 15:02.19 | Migs | besides I keep that at my girlfriend's house |
| 15:02.26 | skrike | lol |
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| 15:22.06 | Migs | http://imgur.com/a/8HAiH |
| 15:24.06 | unum | using the drawer for a bed is tempting at times |
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| 15:26.50 | Migs | it would be awfully convenient |
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| 15:52.31 | youtah | Anyone have any idea as to what this car is? https://www.dropbox.com/s/mlvi4yq8mi11l58/20130828_113246.jpg |
| 15:52.46 | youtah | Migs, I actually own that book. |
| 15:53.15 | youtah | and I believe that jlp_znc does too |
| 15:55.25 | youtah | and I guess this was only a matter of time before it happened http://i.imgur.com/Ql2QQlR.jpg |
| 16:04.01 | unum | second one may not be sfw |
| 16:04.15 | youtah | sfl |
| 16:04.19 | youtah | Safe For Life |
| 16:08.50 | youtah | unum, I'll be harleypig and Jayce^ will love it |
| 16:08.58 | youtah | s/be/bet/ |
| 16:09.14 | jlp_znc | I do indeed own that book. I also own it's companion volume, safe baby pregnancy tips. |
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| 16:14.42 | Jayce^ | ewww |
| 16:14.49 | Jayce^ | yes, it was only a matter of time |
| 16:15.19 | manithree | youtah: But, but, she's "edgy" so it makes me want to buy her music. Or something. |
| 16:16.21 | youtah | Kind of like this guy? http://i.imgur.com/7vAPEP7.jpg |
| 16:17.10 | Jayce^ | youtah: you have too much free time to take selfie's like that |
| 16:17.51 | youtah | Jayce^'s comment > http://i.imgur.com/kymJZUC.gif I should have seen it coming. |
| 16:18.53 | keldwud_ | every time I see your handle, Jayce^, I hear the Jayce Hall theme song |
| 16:19.14 | Jayce^ | I've never seen his show, but it bugs me that the dude is squatting on my name |
| 16:19.25 | Jayce^ | since that is my last name as well |
| 16:19.33 | keldwud_ | haha |
| 16:19.35 | keldwud_ | no wai |
| 16:19.48 | keldwud_ | go listen to the song from the first couple seasons |
| 16:19.58 | keldwud_ | it's memetastic |
| 16:20.08 | youtah | I have some Jeff McGrath the Massage Therapy Trainer squatting on my name |
| 16:20.11 | keldwud_ | well, memes from 2006 |
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| 16:21.13 | keldwud_ | 2006 is the year I arbitrarily chose to describe anything that is ancient |
| 16:21.18 | keldwud_ | like DVDs or CDs |
| 16:21.41 | keldwud_ | when somebody mentions using an optical drive of any sort I ask "what is this? 2006?" |
| 16:22.42 | Jayce^ | my wife needed me to burn a cd this morning |
| 16:22.55 | Jayce^ | I had to point out that half of the computers in the house don't have drives |
| 16:22.58 | youtah | When anyone ever mentions an SSD driver I ask "What is this? 2008?" |
| 16:23.05 | youtah | drive* |
| 16:23.45 | keldwud_ | ssd is old? |
| 16:23.53 | keldwud_ | but I use the crap out of those here at work |
| 16:24.04 | keldwud_ | they are faster than my HDDs |
| 16:24.06 | Jayce^ | youtah works for fusionio.. so he's paid to say that |
| 16:24.06 | youtah | Compared to a Fusion-io drive, it's a snail. ;-) |
| 16:24.13 | keldwud_ | haha |
| 16:24.26 | keldwud_ | I doubt I'm going to purchase hundreds of Fusion-io drives :-p |
| 16:24.42 | keldwud_ | I assume they are more expensive than SSDs? |
| 16:24.49 | youtah | yes |
| 16:25.05 | youtah | but one drive also does the job of many SSDs |
| 16:25.14 | jlp_znc | there's a reason for that, though... they blow the doors off of SSDs |
| 16:25.14 | keldwud_ | what is the price difference? |
| 16:25.14 | Jayce^ | so I'll just get one built into my laptop.... oh wait. |
| 16:25.26 | keldwud_ | ^ |
| 16:25.34 | keldwud_ | I see where Jayce^ is going with this |
| 16:25.41 | youtah | Thunderbolt with an adapter |
| 16:25.45 | keldwud_ | it's not exactly mainstream consumer grade technology yet is it |
| 16:25.52 | keldwud_ | as in "out of the box" |
| 16:26.00 | youtah | It's getting there keldwud_ |
| 16:26.09 | Jayce^ | so that's a no... |
| 16:26.21 | keldwud_ | so you're really just being a snob because you ahve something that nobody else has? :) |
| 16:26.26 | Jayce^ | isnt' bitter for not owning one... no way |
| 16:26.26 | youtah | we have the ioFX and the ioXtreme |
| 16:26.38 | youtah | lol |
| 16:26.40 | Jayce^ | plus they never come to openwest :) |
| 16:27.33 | youtah | I'll ask them ... will you give me some bacon? |
| 16:28.02 | youtah | oh, and speaking of bacon... you're invited to my moving party as well Jayce^ and there may or may not be bacon there. |
| 16:28.27 | Jayce^ | youtah: sure, here's your bacon: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1eO5U_uN7DQ |
| 16:28.32 | youtah | ROFL |
| 16:28.38 | youtah | no no, IRL bacon! |
| 16:28.52 | youtah | How did I know it was going to be that video. |
| 16:29.11 | Jayce^ | because REASONS! |
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| 16:30.50 | keldwud_ | I'm moving again |
| 16:30.56 | keldwud_ | got into a fight with my roommates |
| 16:31.04 | keldwud_ | had to find a new place once again |
| 16:31.12 | keldwud_ | move-in date is my birthday |
| 16:31.29 | keldwud_ | I should throw a housewarming / birthday party for myself in my new place |
| 16:31.56 | keldwud_ | omg I missed it! :( |
| 16:32.02 | keldwud_ | fire in one of my DCs |
| 16:32.21 | keldwud_ | oh, it was just the vacuum cleaner lighting fires |
| 16:32.32 | keldwud_ | $boss got to discharge a fire extinguisher |
| 16:32.40 | youtah | There was a really good remix of it Jayce^ and now I can't find it |
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| 16:59.10 | keldwud | have any of you used You Need a Budget 4? |
| 16:59.57 | keldwud | I really need to budget better and was wondering if it is worth the $15 while it is currently on sale on steam |
| 17:02.24 | keldwud | hmm.. maybe I'll try the demo |
| 17:03.01 | harleypig__ | keldwud, I use it |
| 17:03.18 | keldwud | how do you like it? |
| 17:03.53 | keldwud | does the software make you want to use it often? |
| 17:04.02 | keldwud | I tried using Mint for a while but it just never stuck |
| 17:04.15 | keldwud | and what do you use it for? |
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| 17:04.38 | harleypig__ | I like it a lot. It's still not quite what I want, but it's the closest I've found |
| 17:04.47 | harleypig__ | my family budget ... |
| 17:05.14 | harleypig__ | My biggest problem is, it's not easy to automate things. |
| 17:05.28 | harleypig__ | But I know I'm not the common use case for that. |
| 17:05.38 | keldwud | how often do you open up the program? |
| 17:05.53 | keldwud | and if you were to stop using it altogether? how would it affect your finances? |
| 17:06.03 | keldwud | i.e. i'm trying to measure its helpfulness and usefulness |
| 17:06.45 | harleypig__ | I average weekly, sometimes daily if I have a lot of t hings going on in a short period of time. |
| 17:07.40 | keldwud | also, how about how it makes you *feel*? does it decrease your stress levels at all? for example, if you are feeling stress before using it, do you feel less stressed after using the program? |
| 17:08.46 | overridemymind | O.o |
| 17:09.03 | keldwud | and most importantly, I always have a couple of bills or expenses that I forget each paycheck. have you experienced a situation where the program helped you to pay all of your needs before your wants? |
| 17:09.14 | harleypig__ | I stopped about a year and a half ago and felt the effects immediately. |
| 17:09.17 | harleypig__ | bills started slipping |
| 17:09.17 | harleypig__ | But you have to buy into the philosophy to effectively use it. |
| 17:09.17 | harleypig__ | Or, at least, buy into it enough to use the program. |
| 17:09.17 | harleypig__ | my stress level is so high all the time |
| 17:09.17 | keldwud | overridemymind: suckit. I'm trying to better myself :-p |
| 17:09.19 | overridemymind | why don't you do auto withdrawal keldwud |
| 17:09.30 | harleypig__ | But |
| 17:09.33 | harleypig__ | i'm less worried about finances, if that helps. |
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| 17:09.40 | keldwud | overridemymind: because not all expenses are autowithdrawal type bills |
| 17:09.48 | overridemymind | I'm all for you bettering yourself. just not sure how software like that will help you do it |
| 17:10.01 | keldwud | overridemymind: it's not the software that will better me |
| 17:10.04 | overridemymind | what my wife and I do is write down the bills, due dates, and cost down |
| 17:10.06 | harleypig__ | Only when I detailed my needs correctly. |
| 17:10.06 | harleypig__ | You can do auto payments with YNAB |
| 17:10.06 | harleypig__ | It doesn't interact with your bank. |
| 17:10.09 | overridemymind | and stick it on the fridge |
| 17:10.15 | keldwud | overridemymind: doing it that way would just cause me more stress |
| 17:10.22 | overridemymind | hmm |
| 17:10.36 | keldwud | have you used the program? :) |
| 17:10.43 | overridemymind | do you get paid weekly, monthly, bi-weekly or what? |
| 17:10.48 | keldwud | weekly |
| 17:10.56 | overridemymind | and not that specific one, but I've used budgeting sw |
| 17:11.20 | overridemymind | it didn't do much for me though |
| 17:11.23 | harleypig__ | yeah, that doesn't work for me |
| 17:11.25 | overridemymind | stress-wise |
| 17:11.35 | keldwud | most budgeting software is pretty expensive, that's why I'm thinking taking advantage of the $15 sale may be worth it |
| 17:11.49 | harleypig__ | feh ... stress is a constant, only the levels change |
| 17:12.02 | overridemymind | when we were being paid weekly, we'd lump small bills together in one shot |
| 17:12.17 | keldwud | $15 bucks to reduce my stress levels even slightly every now and then may be worth the "investment" |
| 17:12.19 | overridemymind | and then bigger bills that consume the majority of the paycheck on a different week |
| 17:12.41 | overridemymind | like, 1st paycheck was always rent because it consumed the whole paycheck |
| 17:12.48 | overridemymind | then car payment and insurance and groceries |
| 17:12.54 | keldwud | and I haven't been good at saving lately |
| 17:12.57 | overridemymind | then power and water and whatnot |
| 17:12.59 | keldwud | or putting money away for larger expenses |
| 17:13.26 | keldwud | what I really need is something that will accept priorities and costs from me and then just tell me when it is time to spend money on something |
| 17:13.31 | overridemymind | what I'm getting at is set a schedule that helps juggle the bills. once that's in place, stick to it |
| 17:13.34 | keldwud | or maybe even spend it for me |
| 17:13.34 | overridemymind | = less stress |
| 17:13.44 | harleypig__ | for me, ynab let's me handle those moments when I'm frustrated and thinking "it's *my* money dammit ... I'll spend it on whatever the hell i want to" |
| 17:13.59 | harleypig__ | keldwud: that's called a cpa |
| 17:14.03 | harleypig__ | or a spouse |
| 17:14.15 | keldwud | yeah, spouse isn't in my cards |
| 17:14.38 | keldwud | I *was* thinking of hiring a decently intelligent hooker on a fulltime basis |
| 17:14.43 | keldwud | and then just pay her to manage the small things and paperwork in my life |
| 17:15.25 | harleypig__ | Yeah, I'm looking forward to when sexbots can do house and secretarial work |
| 17:15.30 | keldwud | haha |
| 17:15.54 | keldwud | I get what you're saying, though, overridemymind. |
| 17:16.07 | keldwud | but remember, you have a team to work with |
| 17:16.16 | keldwud | I think that makes the dynamic a little bit different |
| 17:17.02 | overridemymind | psh |
| 17:17.08 | keldwud | oh cool. has an android app too |
| 17:17.17 | overridemymind | my "team" likes to ignore said budget and blow money whether we have it or not |
| 17:17.34 | overridemymind | you can do it man |
| 17:17.36 | overridemymind | that's all I'm saying |
| 17:17.56 | unum | I keep thinking of writing my own budgeting software |
| 17:18.05 | unum | I have a serious case of nihs |
| 17:18.21 | unum | but I want something that's multi user |
| 17:18.35 | unum | and then I can just add features like that easily |
| 17:18.48 | harleypig__ | ledger |
| 17:18.56 | unum | me being me it would be postgres based |
| 17:19.24 | harleypig__ | keldwud: after all that, I've been seriously considering switching to ledger |
| 17:19.36 | unum | oooh, nice |
| 17:19.41 | harleypig__ | but the learning curve is keeping me from jumping. |
| 17:19.43 | unum | I might have to try sql ledger |
| 17:20.05 | unum | but ya the nice thing about writing my own stuff is the learning curve is kind of built in.... |
| 17:20.29 | overridemymind | I'd like to see something simple |
| 17:20.31 | overridemymind | "enter your bills" |
| 17:20.38 | overridemymind | "weekly, monthly, or bi-weekly" |
| 17:20.44 | harleypig__ | ledger is simple for entry |
| 17:20.48 | keldwud | overridemymind: mint does that |
| 17:20.51 | keldwud | I believe |
| 17:20.51 | overridemymind | "enter your check size" |
| 17:20.53 | harleypig__ | it's the report generation that's difficult |
| 17:20.56 | overridemymind | "here's your payment schedule" |
| 17:20.57 | overridemymind | done |
| 17:21.22 | overridemymind | and then whatever's left over is your spending money |
| 17:21.38 | overridemymind | factor in gas and consumables too. forgot about that |
| 17:21.53 | overridemymind | mint, eh? |
| 17:21.55 | overridemymind | googles |
| 17:22.46 | overridemymind | oh, btw keldwud |
| 17:22.52 | keldwud | yeah. I used mint for a bit, but it couldnn't connect with one of my accounts. so it became kind of useless |
| 17:22.55 | keldwud | yes? |
| 17:22.58 | overridemymind | how often do you shop for groceries? |
| 17:23.10 | keldwud | overridemymind: once per week |
| 17:23.40 | overridemymind | something we did that worked out really well, was we reduced it from once a week to once per month (maybe twice if we needed to) |
| 17:23.48 | overridemymind | planned out all the meals and then shopped accordingly |
| 17:23.59 | overridemymind | *drastically* cut our grocery spending |
| 17:25.00 | overridemymind | $350 / month for a family of four |
| 17:25.02 | keldwud | I've already a pretty decent food budget |
| 17:25.04 | overridemymind | and we eat pretty well |
| 17:25.07 | keldwud | 35/week for family of 2 |
| 17:25.12 | keldwud | and we eat quite well |
| 17:25.20 | overridemymind | that's not bad |
| 17:25.24 | keldwud | I don't think I can reduce spending any on that front |
| 17:25.32 | overridemymind | no, that's pretty good |
| 17:25.34 | keldwud | I know most people overspend on food |
| 17:25.39 | keldwud | but I definitely don't |
| 17:25.53 | keldwud | I gave a talk about it once in front of 500 people :-p |
| 17:25.54 | overridemymind | yeah, that's why I mentioned it. |
| 17:25.55 | macnewbold | I've been using mint for stuff like what you are talking about - it's been working pretty well, even though one or two of my accounts don't work with it. it covers all my important day-to-day accounts though. |
| 17:26.01 | overridemymind | you're doing way better than we are |
| 17:26.14 | overridemymind | by about $70 a month |
| 17:26.21 | keldwud | macnewbold: yeah that's why I stopped using it. because I used both accounts heavily and it wasn't tracking one of them |
| 17:26.40 | macnewbold | i like the budgeting in mint quite a bit, even if i just used it to observe how i was spending, without doing any planning with it, it would be worth it |
| 17:26.58 | keldwud | harleypig__: have you gotten YNAB4 to automatically check your balances? |
| 17:27.03 | keldwud | does it "pull" info? |
| 17:27.06 | keldwud | or is everything manual? |
| 17:27.07 | macnewbold | keldwud: their support was pretty responsive with the requests i've put in - have you asked them to support your bank? |
| 17:27.24 | keldwud | macnewbold: yeah they responded to me |
| 17:27.30 | keldwud | and asked me to do some things, which I did |
| 17:27.44 | keldwud | but I couldn't complete the tasks. there were some issues and time issues, too |
| 17:27.48 | keldwud | was taking over an hour |
| 17:27.51 | keldwud | to complete the task |
| 17:30.09 | harleypig__ | keldwud: I was told they wouldn't pull info from the bank because it was (translated) too much of a pain. |
| 17:30.13 | harleypig__ | But that was two years ago. |
| 17:30.27 | harleypig__ | I don't see the capability in the interface ... |
| 17:30.42 | keldwud | http://www.amazon.com/You-Need-Budget-YNAB-Personal/product-reviews/B000QO76HU?tag=amaflink-20 |
| 17:30.55 | harleypig__ | I can manually import a downloaded record of my accounts. |
| 17:31.03 | keldwud | I see |
| 17:31.10 | keldwud | but no automatic transaction download |
| 17:33.01 | harleypig__ | Right. I suspect the company would have to entangle itself in some kind of fiduciary requirements hell. |
| 17:33.57 | keldwud | I bet |
| 17:34.38 | harleypig__ | What would keep me from teetering over to ledger is a much improved auto categorization feature. |
| 17:35.15 | keldwud | so do I download transaction information? or statements? |
| 17:35.24 | harleypig__ | I'd like to be able to say something like payee =~ /arby'?s/i then Restaurant:FastFood |
| 17:35.31 | keldwud | mint's auto categorization was pretty dope |
| 17:35.34 | keldwud | I liked theirs |
| 17:35.56 | harleypig__ | OTF, QIF and something else is supported. |
| 17:36.13 | keldwud | QFX |
| 17:36.17 | keldwud | and CSV |
| 17:36.50 | harleypig__ | oh, right |
| 17:37.31 | keldwud | auto categorization was important for me |
| 17:37.43 | harleypig__ | If I could even just manipulate the file with my own software, but ynab uses a custom version of the osx format |
| 17:37.44 | keldwud | you're saying YNAB doesn't do it so well? |
| 17:37.47 | harleypig__ | I think it's osx |
| 17:37.57 | harleypig__ | It's well enough |
| 17:38.10 | harleypig__ | This is the automation part that I was talking about. |
| 17:38.31 | keldwud | so I can't make "rules/filters"? |
| 17:38.37 | keldwud | i.e. conditions |
| 17:38.37 | harleypig__ | You can |
| 17:38.41 | keldwud | oh good |
| 17:38.43 | keldwud | so I can say |
| 17:38.50 | keldwud | if x, then put in y category? |
| 17:38.57 | keldwud | and have x be a regex of some sort? |
| 17:38.59 | harleypig__ | but I consider them mediocre |
| 17:39.31 | keldwud | maybe not regex but a basic string boolean check with wildcards maybe? |
| 17:39.31 | harleypig__ | I don't have a copy of ynab installed on this computer, I'm not sure I can remember correctly. |
| 17:39.41 | keldwud | I'm playing with it now. downloaded the demo |
| 17:39.43 | keldwud | I'll find out |
| 17:40.56 | keldwud | hmm... might want to use truecrypt on the dropbox folder in which YNAB stores information |
| 17:50.41 | Migs | nice...boss is putting up a job listing for a web developer here in Ogden |
| 17:50.46 | Migs | I'm finally going to have some help around here |
| 18:02.55 | keldwud | is it part time? and jr? |
| 18:03.17 | keldwud | well, not even jr :) maybe intern? |
| 18:23.07 | Migs | no, it's full-time. Could be considered junior, or senior. We just need someone who knows what they're doing, that's it. |
| 18:23.11 | Migs | PHP mostly |
| 18:23.34 | Migs | our Data Processing Department has been stealing all the developers. |
| 18:23.52 | Migs | finally this will be someone they [hopefully] won't steal |
| 18:24.04 | keldwud | Nemus, you do php don't you? |
| 18:24.12 | macnewbold | we have a bunch of new openings at Vivint too, for JS, PHP and .Net devs, including qa test engineers. located at Thanksgiving Point. |
| 18:24.20 | Migs | cool |
| 18:24.29 | keldwud | oh hey, I want to do .Net at vivint |
| 18:24.34 | Nemus | yep I do php |
| 18:24.35 | Migs | plenty of job openings |
| 18:24.55 | macnewbold | keldwud: serious, or sarcastic? |
| 18:24.56 | Migs | macnewbold: Junior or intern positions? |
| 18:25.01 | keldwud | macnewbold: both really |
| 18:25.08 | keldwud | I don't think they'd hire me again |
| 18:25.10 | macnewbold | Migs: everything from junior on up. |
| 18:25.19 | macnewbold | keldwud: what dept did you work in? |
| 18:25.29 | keldwud | front line support |
| 18:25.35 | keldwud | and then they were going to have me work with a dev |
| 18:25.37 | keldwud | and help him |
| 18:25.49 | keldwud | but I had some major life stresses at the time and no Team Lead |
| 18:26.02 | keldwud | and some things weren't working out |
| 18:26.26 | keldwud | wasn't treating customers right because every time I tried to get help, was told the customer doesn't have any choice and is SoL |
| 18:26.37 | keldwud | so I had to take that attitude back to the customer |
| 18:26.46 | keldwud | I cracked |
| 18:28.18 | macnewbold | nice |
| 18:28.23 | macnewbold | sounds awesome |
| 18:30.00 | keldwud | wasn't really :( |
| 18:37.31 | macnewbold | well, it wouldn't be like that working on the IT side |
| 18:37.58 | keldwud | yeah, IT side you don't have to tell the customers that they are SOL |
| 18:50.43 | Migs | http://gizmodo.com/watch-how-every-f-cking-tech-commercial-is-exactly-the-1215821819 |
| 18:50.55 | Migs | should be sfw |
| 19:20.17 | jlp_znc | http://www.collegehumor.com/video/6019547/every-insane-old-spice-commercial |
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| 19:54.10 | ldav15 | A logo without text...with optional glib subtitle...Think different...Where do you want to go toady?... |
| 20:11.13 | youtah | Just finished closing! I am officially broke! |
| 20:18.12 | jsmith | youtah: Does that mean you're selling a bunch of glass, at an incredible discount? |
| 20:18.52 | youtah | lol |
| 20:18.56 | youtah | I cant sell it at a discount |
| 20:19.01 | youtah | I need the full price! |
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| 20:55.55 | unum | thedailywtf has finally started posting winners of their second programming contest |
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| 21:29.36 | jlp_znc | http://dbareactions.tumblr.com/post/59484809849/when-the-recruiter-says-im-glad-you-came-in <- this is how I feel with most of the recruiter email I get |
| 21:30.16 | jlp_znc | "we're looking for joe-awesome sysadmin guru... we can pay a competitive salary. how does $80k/year sound?" |
| 21:45.15 | unum | I've actually had better luck with that with recruiters |
| 21:45.25 | unum | I can tell them in he first conversation where I'm at |
| 21:45.35 | unum | and then I don't hear about jobs below that |
| 21:46.19 | unum | I really hate how some companies won't list their pay ranges |
| 21:46.53 | unum | for a while I was assuming doe meant we know what programmers are worth and are willing to pay what ever we need to to get the right candidate |
| 21:47.20 | unum | now I know it means "we don't want current employees to know our range, because we want to pay them as little as possible" |
| 21:47.38 | unum | I don't like the whole, don't talk about your pay rule |
| 21:47.46 | unum | not that I want to tell anyone how much I make |
| 21:48.07 | unum | but I don't think a company with strong management needs it |
| 21:49.19 | jlp_znc | yeah, I do that with recruiters, too, generally in response to the initial cold e-mail. I say something like "I'm currently at $x, if your customer can't significantly exceed that, we probably have already wasted too much time on this conversation." |
| 21:49.34 | jlp_znc | most of the time the response is silence. |
| 21:49.56 | Migs | I used to give recruiters a really high salary requirement, like $175,000/yr, just to make them feel bad and feel like they weren't making squat compared to me. But then I found that just made them really want to recruit me into a position, because of their % commission. |
| 21:51.19 | fungus | IMHO, it pays off to be honest to recruiters up front. Either they leave you alone because they can't help you, or they have opportunities that are awesome. |
| 21:51.26 | unum | recruiters tend to not like to work with people who are just looking for more money because the current employer will likely counter |
| 21:51.43 | unum | but I can't afford to take a pay cut |
| 21:52.30 | Migs | yeah, I don't usually mess with them anymore |
| 21:52.39 | jlp_znc | my feeling on that is I'll never take a counter offer from a current employer. once I've made the decision to leave a company, the decision is made. if I stick around, I'm just giving them the opportunity to replace me on their schedule instead of my own. |
| 21:52.52 | Migs | any really, I don't get many calls now. Before the recession I'd get, like, 1 or 2 calls a day. |
| 21:52.52 | Migs | Now it's maybe once a month if I'm lucky. |
| 21:53.55 | Migs | yeah |
| 21:53.55 | Migs | they already know then you're a liability |
| 21:55.31 | unum | but a lot of positions that are open, are open because the employer doesn't want to make market rate for the experience they want |
| 21:55.44 | unum | I understand that's a major issue with the security positions |
| 21:56.25 | unum | s/make/pay |
| 22:02.13 | Gate | I hate salary games, on both sides of it. When I was gunning for it and now as an employer trying to figure out how much to offer people. |
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| 22:11.18 | Migs | I have no intention of leaving my job. I decided when I turn 40 in 6 years I'll evaluate where I am, and decide to either change jobs or just stick with my current job until retirement. |
| 22:11.43 | Migs | I figured once I found something that worked for me, I'd just stop trying to jump around. |
| 22:11.51 | Migs | Maybe start a side venture instead, if I want to earn extra income |
| 22:13.35 | Migs | *I have no intention of leaving my job anytime soon, rather |
| 22:13.50 | Migs | seeing as how I just contradicted myself there |
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| 22:27.40 | harleypig | sudo su - |
| 22:27.49 | harleypig | ... |
| 22:28.05 | harleypig | ummm ... It's a good thing I looked at the screen before I pressed enter on my password |
| 22:28.14 | Jayce^ | awwww |
| 22:28.53 | harleypig | heh |
| 22:30.37 | harleypig | can someone tell where librpmsign can be found? yum provides '*/librpmsign*' shows no results |
| 22:31.07 | harleypig | I'm trying to build RPM4 from the cpan and it can't find it. |
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| 23:02.13 | Tene | harleypig: rpm-sign |
| 23:02.17 | Tene | is the package name |
| 23:05.24 | harleypig_ | Tene: I'm not seeing that with "yum list '*rpm-sign*'" and "yum provides '*/librpmsign*'" isn't showing anything either. |
| 23:05.45 | harleypig_ | however, yum provides '*/rpmsign' shows it being provided by the rpm package |
| 23:05.56 | Tene | http://rpm.pbone.net/ is my usual go-to for these kind of searches |
| 23:06.11 | Tene | That's... not what '*' usually means. |
| 23:06.56 | harleypig_ | I thought it was any character any number of times |
| 23:07.06 | Tene | Yes, which should include 0 times |
| 23:07.22 | Tene | Oh, the second search you mentioned didn't include 'lib' |
| 23:07.32 | Tene | I thought it was the same thing without the trailing * |
| 23:08.56 | harleypig_ | even without the trailing * no matches found |
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| 23:10.38 | harleypig_ | rpm.pbone.net only shows librpmsign for some dist I've never heard of, and all are for i586 or older. |
| 23:11.50 | Migs | http://www.omaze.com/experiences/aaron-paul-breaking-bad-finale |
| 23:12.29 | Tene | If you search by files for *rpmsign*, it shows rpm-sign packages for fedora, which have librpmsign |
| 23:18.07 | harleypig_ | I see it ... |
| 23:20.28 | harleypig_ | Looks like it's not include in any rhel or centos package |
| 23:21.15 | harleypig_ | It's in rpm-devel according to rpm.pbone ... but rpm -ql rpm-devel doesn't show it ... whee |
| 23:21.33 | Tene | Nice. |
| 23:21.46 | harleypig_ | well, that's enough time wasted on that one ... I'll have to figure some other way out |
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| 23:46.37 | fadein | a good idea from the guys in #dc801: telnet miku.acm.uiuc.edu |
| 23:48.33 | harleypig_ | fadein ... you suck |
| 23:48.50 | harleypig_ | :D |
| 23:50.23 | harleypig_ | gah ... what's the ssh keystroke to get into command mode? |
| 23:51.52 | fungus | ~C |
| 23:51.52 | infobot | from memory, c is for maniacs C code. C code run. Run, code, run. Please? |
| 23:54.53 | harleypig_ | Ctrl-A : kill works |
| 23:58.31 | fungus | that's a screen keystroke IIRC. Not an ssh keystroke. The code to kill an ssh session is ~. |
