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00:51.15jlp_zncwow, I missed all the fun.  
00:51.28jlp_zncthat's what I get for dealing with a small fire in my laundry room.
00:52.46ldav15sounds more fun than the nth+1 gun debate on this channel
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01:09.40ldav15A neat idea: https://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_embedded&v=gX9cbxLSOkE
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03:35.34jxqzI don't understand this
03:35.49jxqzhostA $ ssh hostB # no route to host
03:36.02jxqzhostA $ ping hostB # unreachable
03:36.23jxqzhostB $ ping -n 5 hostA
03:36.40jxqzhostA $ ssh hostB -> password:
03:36.42jxqz?
04:16.47fugue88Slow resolution of hostB's DNS records, perhaps?  It's not teriibly uncommon.
04:43.07jxqzthey're on the same subnet, 192.168.0.*
04:43.18jxqzI'm suspecting the network card
04:45.38jxqz*and* I'm not even dinging DNS (at least not for host{A|B} since they're just IPs)
04:45.53jxqzbut could still be the problem
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05:19.57jxqzmutt sidebar!
05:20.04jxqzjust thought I'd throw that out there
06:12.01jlp_znc"helpful" firewall rules on hostB?
06:13.32jlp_zncmore than one machine on the network with the same IP address?  I've seen that a lot more than you would think.
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14:25.16Migshttp://bpodgursky.wordpress.com/2013/08/21/average-income-per-programming-language/
14:26.20manithreeMigs: ActionScript at the top?  Really??
14:26.42timasample size of 1
14:26.57stderr-I'm more suprised at how high ColdFusion is
14:27.13manithreeDidn't see that, but, agreed.
14:27.35stderr-surprised*
14:28.00manithreecurrently being a (mostly) java programmer, at least there are other benefits to not using a "cool" language
14:28.10timaits all enterprise shitty langauges
14:28.25stderr-well you get a lot of cool languages with the JVM
14:28.31manithreeGroovy and haskell?
14:28.40manithreeGo?
14:29.19stderr-I was thinking more along the lines of Clojure and Scala
14:32.10manithreestderr-: Sorry, I was wondering if tima thinks Groovy, Haskell, and Go are shitty enterprise languaages
14:32.54stderr-oh, haha.  I was like "ummm..."
14:33.37stderr-classifying languages as "enterprise" is a mistake, I think.
14:33.45stderr-there are certainly "enterprise developers".
14:33.53stderr-and they often working in a certain subset of languages.
14:34.11manithreestderr-: Java is pretty "enterprise"-y, if you ask me.
14:34.19stderr-but there's some really cool work being done in most languages by very un-enterprise developers.
14:34.37manithreeJust because of the prevalence of j2ee, Spring, etc.
14:35.41stderr-manithree: yea, but I think that all springs (pun?) from a majority of "enterprise"-y developers using Java.
14:36.07stderr-I'm not much of a Java developer, though, so I'm not speaking from any sort of position of authority.
14:36.10manithreeWhich is just a nice way of saying "the failure of Java on the desktop"
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14:38.20manithreeIt's hard to say if the evolution of Java usage has anything to do with the language, the libraries, the VM, or any number of things.
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15:37.56skrikeyoutah: desolation trail is the bomb
15:43.27youtahOh yeah?
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15:43.48skrikeyeah went on it last night.
15:44.00skrikesalt lake overlook
15:44.06youtahPics?
15:45.32skrikeI put one on instagram. Youll have to add me since Im private.
15:45.50skrikeI didnt bring my camera though, just iphone pics
15:46.49youtahI dont have instagram
15:46.57youtahThat's the trail that goes up the south side of the canyon, right?
15:47.04youtahnot towards Grandure ?
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15:47.19skrikeyeah, aire and grandeur are on the north side
15:47.25skrikeIve done aire, not grandeur yet
15:47.35youtahgrandeur is awesome
15:47.38youtahKiller view
15:47.45skrikewe might do that one saturday
15:47.45youtahalthough, probably not for kids <8yo
15:48.35skrikeyeah we did cecret lake, silver lake and donut with the kids so far
15:49.11youtahGrandure is about 3x longer than Cecret Lake, and has a good elevation gain. Minimal scrambling towards the top.
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15:49.25youtahLots of exposure for the last half, excellent shade at the beginning.
15:49.30skrikethe hardest one weve done so far is white pines lake
15:49.37youtahthat's harder than grandure
15:49.39youtahby far
15:49.39skrike~14 miles round trip. Took us 7 hours.
15:49.57skrikeBUt worth it
15:50.07youtahYeah, I think Grandure is something like 7 miles round trip.
15:50.17youtah(I'd have to double check that)
15:51.07youtahUnless you do the West Ridge Trail, which I have never done before.
15:51.48youtah6.4 miles round
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16:03.20keldwudhmm.. I know how to use -w and -c tags in nagios plugins to make sure something isn't too *high*
16:03.27keldwudbut how do I make sure it isn't too *low*?
16:03.44keldwudis that where the -w n:n part comes in?
16:03.50keldwudright now I'm just using -w n
16:13.40jimatypically, yes.
16:14.05jimadepends on whether the plugin author implemtned that correctly, but that's the usual syntax.
16:14.08keldwudok cool. I had just never used the n:n format so wasn't sure if the first n was the "lower boundary"
16:14.11jimaimplemented, even
16:14.31jimashould outline the options via -h, shouldn't it?
16:15.01keldwudyeah, checking now
16:16.40keldwudhmm. yeah, check_snmp plugin -h isn't very verbose on the specifics
16:16.47jimafor shame.
16:17.09keldwudI'll just check if the lower boundary works by setting it above the current integer I'm checking :)
16:17.38jimamaybe someday the open source world will catch up to the enterprise-grade documentation always found in commercial software.
16:17.45keldwudhaha
16:17.53keldwudis that a friendly jab? :)
16:17.57jimagood, i wasn't sure if that was too subtle.
16:18.15keldwudnope, it was definitely loud and clear that you are a windows admin ;)
16:18.28jima:-\
16:18.32jimais insulted
16:18.36keldwudI'm just razzin you back :)
16:18.53jimanah...i was a linux admin for 11 years, now i'm a * admin.
16:19.09keldwudI figured windows admin would have worked as a jab whether you were or not, especially if you weren't :)
16:19.10jimawhere * = windows, linux, cisco, juniper, ...
16:19.24jab416171jabs keldwud
16:19.37jimahow...appropriate.
16:19.40keldwudhaha. nice
16:19.45keldwudI love relevant usernames
16:19.49jab416171"jab" pings me
16:19.51keldwudjab416171++
16:20.04keldwudwell, it was definitely unintentional :)
16:20.08jab416171yeah, I know
16:20.13jimalet's hope it's a friendly jab, and not a hostile one.
16:20.23jab416171it's friendly
16:20.38keldwudbah, either way, I've been on the internets for a while, it wouldn't have rustled my jimmies either way
16:20.43jimawell, by "it" i meant "you"
16:20.57keldwudWORDPLAY
16:20.59jimarustles keldwud's jimmies
16:21.07keldwudooh baby
16:21.12keldwudsweet. it worked
16:21.18jima\o/
16:21.29keldwudso yeah, the lower boundary : upper boundary thing worked with the check_snmp plugin
16:21.42keldwudI set the lower boundary to be above what the current reading was
16:21.42jimaTHANKS FOR NOTHING, check_snmp AUTHORS
16:21.51keldwudand now it is displaying a warning
16:21.56jimawoo!
16:22.07keldwudoh
16:22.09keldwudto be fair
16:22.13keldwudthey did link outside the document
16:22.17keldwudfor more help
16:22.20jimaeww.
16:22.22keldwudI missed that part in the notes
16:22.22jimaLAZY
16:22.42keldwud-w, --warning=THRESHOLD(s)
16:22.42keldwud<PROTECTED>
16:22.42keldwud<PROTECTED>
16:22.42keldwud<PROTECTED>
16:22.43jimaisn't sure if describing keldwud, or check_snmp maintainers
16:22.50keldwudthat's the documentation there
16:23.09keldwudhere's the blurb in the notes, I bet I'll find my answer here
16:23.22keldwudSee:
16:23.22keldwud<PROTECTED>
16:23.22keldwud<PROTECTED>
16:23.43jimaoh, that's even part of the guidelines? awesome.
16:24.01keldwudyeah, so I failed to read the documentation properly
16:24.18keldwudalthough I *did* read the "paragraphs" on -w and -c
16:24.20jimaRTFM NOOB
16:24.25keldwudso I think maybe it is a tie on this one
16:24.43keldwudwe are both equally to blame, maybe 60% my fault and 40% their fault? :)
16:25.00jimai'll allow it.
16:25.12jimanext case for the internet tribunal?
16:25.30Q_ContinuumFlorida.
16:25.48jimaevicted. next case?
16:26.10Q_ContinuumQuebec.
16:26.24jimait's more french than canadia. next?
16:26.54keldwudoh cool. I can be inclusive inside a range by using the at symbol
16:27.16Q_ContinuumWilly-nilly updating puppet versions and creating a bunch of incidents.
16:29.14jimaone month internet probation during which they must wear a dunce cap.
16:29.23jimaincluding in all user profile photos
16:29.27Q_Continuum\o/
16:30.37Q_ContinuumAs the Installer of Photos, I'll leave photoshopping in the dunce cap to you :-D
16:30.53jimaphotoshop, nothing. real or gtfo.
16:31.05Q_ContinuumBUT...INTERNETS
16:31.45jimatheir real-life colleagues need to be reminded, too.
16:31.54Q_Continuumhehe
16:32.03Q_ContinuumYeah, this email chain took me over an hour to read and parse
16:32.17keldwudhttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PXEou7sptrg
16:32.44jimawhich one? a puppet-centric one?
16:32.51jimai've been discussing networking with that vp
16:32.53Q_ContinuumYes, one you weren't included in.
16:33.11jima(which you weren't included in, because you're not a network admin)
16:33.24Q_ContinuumOnly spawned 7 System Packages tickets, and a monitoring ticket.
16:33.53Q_ContinuumBasically we're up to 2.6 on pretty much everything
16:34.01Q_Continuum...and the puppetmaster is no longer older than everything else.
16:34.06jimaticket transfer: "<Q_Continuum> is not a network administrator. ;-)"
16:34.28Q_Continuum^ real ticket transfer summary
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16:34.56Q_Continuum"I'm taking the ticket and making fun of you." "Huh?"
16:36.05Q_ContinuumAlso Dell wanted to remind me that our PS5000 will reach the end of service contract in a year, and that if we buy another we can 'delete' the 5000 from the group and it will automagically migrate everything to the new array
16:36.49jimayes...that sounds like a perfectly safe workflow.
16:37.00Q_Continuum(Aug 19 2014 is EOL for the 5k's)
16:37.05jimalet's do that, especially to live, production data.
16:37.12Q_ContinuumYes.
16:37.18Q_ContinuumWasn't the 5k the slow one?
16:37.21skrikehttp://tctechcrunch2011.files.wordpress.com/2012/08/dell_dude.jpg?w=300
16:37.24jimai think
16:37.55Q_Continuumskrike: Normally appropriate, but the two times we've had drives fail it was no issue getting replaced.
16:38.00Q_ContinuumThen again we're paying them $$$$ for that.
16:38.19jimadude, you're getting dell phone support!
16:38.23skrikemy dell HDD just tanked this week on my laptop. got a new SSD
16:38.36Q_Continuumscrew that, I'll file the teekit online
16:38.41jimathey probably outsource that stuff to the philippines or something
16:38.55Q_Continuumha
16:38.59jimaor salt lake city
16:39.01jimawhatever
16:39.11Q_ContinuumNaw the enterprise stuff they probably keep in house
16:39.29Q_Continuumand hire the best that Round Rock, TX has to offer.
16:39.40Q_Continuumor wherever they built their headquarters down there
16:39.51jimaround rock, last i heard
16:40.03Q_ContinuumI thought that was it, but wasn't 100% sure
16:40.12jimawho'd want to run a call center in texas?
16:40.32keldwudI'll do it for 120k
16:40.38keldwudwhat are they offering?
16:40.45jimanot 120k
16:40.51keldwudlol then hell no
16:40.55Q_Continuumjima: You'd never have to ask the techs to speak slower
16:40.59Q_Continuum;-P
16:57.33Q_ContinuumOh grumble, house IP space and work VPN collide >.<
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17:02.16jimale sigh.
17:02.28skrikele grilled cheese sandwich.
17:04.26youtahWhoa. I missed a lot
17:04.49Q_ContinuumFixed it.
17:05.06keldwudmm... I want a grilled cheese sammich
17:05.14keldwudI have bread in the breakroom, and cheese...
17:05.16keldwudand a toaster
17:05.19keldwudand a microwave
17:05.20Q_Continuumgrilled cheese sammich and tomato soup.
17:05.21keldwudplots
17:05.23Q_ContinuumNOW I WANTS
17:05.34keldwudnot sure what kind of soup there is
17:05.36Q_Continuumjima: Also I broked Outlook apparently.
17:05.38keldwudchecks work cupboards
17:05.39youtahI am thinking it might be a 7-11 nachos run kind of day
17:05.47Q_ContinuumOr Outlook broked itself.
17:06.08Q_Continuumyoutah: That's fine, I got Burrito Loco last night, and will have Taco Johns and White Castle later this week.
17:06.18Q_ContinuumAll things I cannot get in Utah.
17:06.43keldwudclam chowda, that will do
17:06.50youtahWHY would you eat at White Castle
17:06.55keldwudwhite castle? burrito loco?
17:06.57youtahSliders are gut bombs!
17:07.00keldwudsomebody isn't in utah :-p
17:07.10youtahhas nightmares about sliders
17:07.14Q_Continuum...NAME THAT STATE
17:07.28Q_Continuumkeldwud: You'd be correct!
17:07.46keldwudAZ?
17:07.48Q_ContinuumGrain Belt Premium!
17:07.51keldwudowait
17:07.55keldwudhold on, I remember Burrito Loco
17:07.56keldwudtexas
17:07.59keldwudamirite?
17:08.06Q_ContinuumNot the Burrito Loco I know and love.
17:08.08keldwudI think I went there when I was tehre aast
17:09.29youtahI loved White Castles chocolate shakes though
17:10.04jimaknows where Q is
17:10.13youtahMy guess is New Jersey
17:10.28jimahe's where he is of his own volition
17:10.32Q_Continuumof COURSE jima knows where I am.  (Like 5 different ways)
17:10.34jimai didn't send him
17:10.38youtahCalifornia?
17:10.45youtahcuz that's just wrong
17:10.51Q_ContinuumI don't think I've done anything bad enough to deserve New Jersey
17:11.06ldav15lol
17:11.19youtahI served my LDS mission there
17:11.20jimaQ_Continuum: yeah, rdns on your actual ip is a dead giveaway.
17:11.33youtahIt doesn't matter what I do, from here on out, I am guarenteed a place in heaven
17:11.58jimayoutah: who did you piss off to get sent to joisey?
17:12.24youtahIt's okay, I got them back by sleeping in on my mission
17:12.32youtahI mean
17:12.33youtahummmm
17:12.38jimaHERETIC
17:12.47jimaHEATHEN
17:12.51jimaOTHER H-WORDS
17:12.57youtahHELP
17:13.01youtahHORRIBLE
17:13.06youtahLUNCH TIME
17:13.08Q_ContinuumHERP
17:13.09youtahHLUNCH TIME
17:13.11Q_ContinuumHALP
17:13.28jimaHEADING TO LUNCH
17:13.48Q_ContinuumENJOY
17:13.52Q_ContinuumI should probably eat something.
17:13.57Q_ContinuumA cup of coffee isn't enough.
17:14.01Q_ContinuumI KNOW
17:14.02jimaduh
17:14.02Q_ContinuumDORITOS
17:14.06jima...
17:14.11Q_ContinuumSun chips?
17:14.18jimago eat, and/or get back to work
17:14.35Q_ContinuumLaptop is remotely rebooting so I can fire up Outlook again and get it werkin hopefully
17:14.54Q_Continuumsince it decided to eat a file
17:15.47jimatrying to support someone who's listed as in this office in the HR system...guess what? SHE'S in new jersey!
17:15.55Q_ContinuumEwwwww
17:16.23Q_Continuum"Preparing Outlook for first use.  Retrieving mailbox settings..."
17:16.34jima:-|
17:16.40skrikehttp://www.flickr.com/photos/daveyjphoto/9535879878/sizes/h/in/photostream/
17:16.51skrikelong exposure fireworks = rad.
17:16.53Q_ContinuumThere we go.  Starting.
17:17.03jimaoh, it's working now?
17:17.15Q_ContinuumYeah had to nuke the .OST file, reboot and relaunch outlook
17:17.21Q_Continuumand now it opens.
17:17.30Q_ContinuumStupid Outlook got hungry
17:18.00Q_ContinuumSnack tiem while that does its thing.
17:21.03keldwudnoms some "grilled cheese" and chowdah
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18:21.42Migshttp://tridiv.com/
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18:53.29keldwudr/aww @ RMR drag http://imgur.com/SY3DDzT
18:55.39youtahyou guys reading the #UtahBands hash tags on twitter today?
18:55.43youtahSome of them are pretty good
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19:20.55Jayce^youtah: you going to get in with jeremy for the next demo derby?
19:21.38youtahI wanna go to a demo derby so freaking bad
19:21.43youtahhttp://www.wunderground.com/global/stations/89606.html
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19:22.13Jayce^well, he's getting passes next year because of those shots he took
19:22.23youtahOh dang!
19:22.34Jayce^you didn't see him posting about that?
19:22.51youtahI saw his pics, but didn't realize he was getting free tix!
19:23.03Jayce^in the post...
19:23.17Jayce^he passed them along, the guy got back to him, almost begging :)
19:23.38youtahLOL
19:23.43youtahI saw that they used his photo as the main picture
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19:33.35keldwudthere was a demolition derby saturday in Spanish Fork
19:33.49keldwudand the trains at RMR on the figure 8 almost count as derby
19:33.54keldwud"trains"
19:40.03Jayce^keldwud: yeah my brother was taking some pics there from the stands
19:40.16Jayce^way better than what their paid people did
19:40.39Jayce^http://www.gogetphotos.com/Events/Misc/2013-08-17-UTC-Demolition-Derb/i-8Hn3nVK/A     <--- that about sums it up for me
19:40.51Jayce^I bet youtah will see what's funny about the photog real fast
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19:49.06jsmithAwful... just awful...
20:16.49youtahJust got back. I'm here Jayce^ and jsmith
20:17.09jsmithyoutah: You missed all the fun^H^H^trolling....
20:17.09youtahHe's holding the lens/camera wrong and has a pop up flash!!!
20:17.24Jayce^seriously, pop-up
20:17.36Jayce^in that light/activity
20:17.45Jayce^why not just use an ipad for the camera :-p
20:17.48youtahHe's holding his camera like binoculars
20:17.58youtahThat's a serious no no
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20:18.17youtahheh I like the 3.14 on the side of the car
20:18.48Jayce^in a bunch of the other shots, you can see him just watching the action, camera down..
20:19.31youtahDon't send that guy to a football game, he'd never stop watching the cheerleaders
20:19.41manithreeyoutah: That and the 42.  I had no idea demo derby was so nerdy
20:19.50youtahYes
20:19.58youtahneeds to get into demo derby apparently
20:20.21youtahIs that fire inside the car? http://www.gogetphotos.com/Events/Misc/2013-08-17-UTC-Demolition-Derb/i-knjfZdp/A
20:20.35Jayce^yes
20:20.44Jayce^engine, there are a few that do it, some on purpose :)
20:21.04youtahhttp://www.gogetphotos.com/Events/Misc/2013-08-17-UTC-Demolition-Derb/i-tPJ2vB6/A
20:21.09youtahNotice the color temps of the lights
20:21.30Jayce^http://www.gogetphotos.com/Events/Misc/2013-08-17-UTC-Demolition-Derb/i-W5d3x99/A
20:21.31youtahthe bulbs cycle through, and depending on how long they've been on, they emit different temps
20:21.36Jayce^love the knocking the axle out
20:22.07Jayce^also the angle of the lights in relationship to the shooter
20:22.30Jayce^http://www.gogetphotos.com/Events/Misc/2013-08-17-UTC-Demolition-Derb/i-zWnJGmR/A
20:22.42Jayce^use the right arrow, and cycle through those several shots, watch the driver in the car
20:22.45Jayce^great burst
20:23.06Jayce^needs to be imgur'd :-p
20:24.51goozbachI've not been to a demo derby for so long
20:25.27Jayce^the EM one has gotten big fast, sold out the last few years
20:29.44youtah<Jayce^> needs to be imgur'd :-p << si
20:31.42youtahHA! http://i.imgur.com/YxWXl6q.png Now that's funny
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20:58.22goozbachsuggestions on an inexpensive IP kvm which doesn't suck?
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21:08.36Q_Continuuminexpensive, IP KVM, suck.  Pick 2.
21:10.46goozbachok so help me minimize suck while maximizing inexapensive
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21:38.51keldwudso all the apartments that were available on Monday are no longer available except for 2 of them
21:38.52keldwudsighs
23:05.59jimaQ_Continuum: i'll pick "inexpensive" and "IP KVM." also, you fail at this game.
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