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| 01:56.41 | levi | Beats me, but it would be good to know. |
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| 03:18.38 | eightyeight | fugitive on foot in my neighborhood |
| 03:18.49 | eightyeight | police have stopped by |
| 03:18.50 | eightyeight | fun |
| 03:19.26 | eightyeight | doors locked. windows locked. lights on. shades open |
| 03:20.43 | eightyeight | of course, phone and radio charged, and gun loaded |
| 03:20.44 | eightyeight | heh |
| 03:41.40 | Sargun | Oh, neat. |
| 03:41.54 | Sargun | eightyeight: Is this why people in Utah have funs? |
| 03:41.58 | Sargun | *guns |
| 03:53.01 | eightyeight | people don't have guns anywhere else? |
| 04:08.45 | macnewbold1 | let me know if anyone in here wants a Vivint system... |
| 04:08.59 | macnewbold1 | i hope they find your fugitive quickly |
| 04:10.42 | eightyeight | listening to the police scanner. someone about a mile north of me called the police about someone in their backyard |
| 04:10.46 | eightyeight | so, maybe... |
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| 04:38.13 | Sargun | eightyeight: Not here. |
| 05:19.15 | eightyeight | where is 'here'? |
| 05:19.21 | eightyeight | your house? |
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| 07:07.03 | Sargun | eightyeight: SF |
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| 14:18.18 | eightyeight | Sargun: so, no one in SF has a gun? |
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| 14:24.01 | keldwud | got the "we've 8 months left to get profitable because venture is not going through with next round of funding, time to cut the chaffe, please interview for your current position on Monday" email on Saturday. |
| 14:24.09 | keldwud | I assume that's par for the course with startups |
| 14:28.19 | goozbach | that stinks |
| 14:28.27 | goozbach | but yes that's more likely in a startup |
| 14:32.24 | keldwud | and then there is always the off-chance that we will "hockey-stick" before the 8 months is up |
| 14:32.27 | keldwud | that would be cool |
| 14:32.37 | keldwud | but I know what's realistic :) |
| 14:32.46 | keldwud | *what's MORE realistic |
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| 15:51.15 | youtah | MOOOOOOOOOOOOOORRRRRRRRRRRRRRNING |
| 15:53.28 | goozbach | http://mystartuphas30daystolive.tumblr.com/ |
| 15:59.35 | youtah | Would you eat it? http://www.ksl.com/?sid=26301302&nid=1012&title=scientists-to-serve-lab-made-burger-from-cow-cells&fm=home_page&s_cid=queue-7 |
| 16:02.43 | levi | Why not? |
| 16:04.07 | youtah | It freaks me out |
| 16:04.11 | youtah | it doesn't even look the same |
| 16:04.50 | levi | Why would it? It didn't grow up in a cow! |
| 16:05.39 | youtah | I like eating dead cows |
| 16:05.53 | youtah | I like eating dead pigs too |
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| 16:08.00 | levi | If you consider that some of the best meat is from areas that aren't 'worked' very hard in an animal, then lab-grown muscle could potentially be very good. But it's probably going to always be rather different from the real thing. |
| 16:09.29 | Jayce^ | "best meat" isn't quite true, expensive single-cuts, specifically tender for grilled usage yes.. but many of the most flavorful that use longer cooking methods are specifically the more used muscles |
| 16:09.53 | unum | Jimmy Wales: One problem that we've had is that for a significant period of time, Adobe Flash, which was a Frankenstein's monster of horrifically stupid and broken and proprietary technology, sucked the wind out of efforts to do interesting open multimedia. The ongoing and glorious demise of Flash is going to help a whole new generation of developers do more interesting things, in a freely licensed way. At least: I hope so. |
| 16:10.00 | unum | That made me smile |
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| 16:10.24 | skrike | as someone that knows and has made a lot of money off flash, I agree. |
| 16:11.24 | eightyeight | i'd try it |
| 16:11.35 | goozbach | a big part of what meat tastes like comes from the diet of the animal, so I'd try it, but not expect much |
| 16:12.40 | eightyeight | speaking of which, i'm hungry |
| 16:13.57 | jlp_znc | mmmmm, cow |
| 16:20.28 | youtah | skrike, likes flashing things for money? Not gunna ask |
| 16:21.20 | youtah | I dunno, the psychological factor of "0.008 ounces of this 5 ounce hamburger was once a cow" part freaks me out |
| 16:21.39 | youtah | and the rest was just stuff grown in a glass tube |
| 16:22.09 | skrike | yo yo yo girl check out this interactive educational learning website I got in my trenchcoat girl, this thing wont run on apple products so you know its legit, yeah lemme show i to you real quick, its got video controls and animations and everything. |
| 16:22.16 | jlp_znc | just doesn't see the difference between meat grown from cow cells on a cow vs. in a tube |
| 16:22.39 | youtah | if it really takes off, and becomes cheap, and people have been eating it for years without problem, I'd probably give it a whirl |
| 16:23.04 | youtah | lol skrike |
| 16:23.32 | youtah | doesn't want to admit how many flash sites he helped build |
| 16:23.34 | jlp_znc | soylent red is yummy. just stay away from soylent green. |
| 16:24.14 | keldwud | soylent is a real thing, actually |
| 16:24.25 | keldwud | but it's not made out of people. it's made out of... gunk. |
| 16:25.11 | skrike | mmm fresh vat grown bacteria extruded meat cells on a sucralose based lattice |
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| 16:25.58 | youtah | ^^ |
| 16:26.03 | youtah | I love the description |
| 16:27.11 | skrike | just like mom used to biogenetically engineer in her lab back home. |
| 16:27.57 | youtah | Took this late Friday night.... https://www.facebook.com/photo.php?fbid=10151520755980060&set=pb.166311805059.-2207520000.1375720041.&type=3&theater |
| 16:28.48 | skrike | NOT AVAILABLE |
| 16:28.53 | youtah | WHY |
| 16:29.35 | skrike | BECAUSE OF MARK ZUCKERBURG I IMAGINE |
| 16:30.04 | youtah | A realtor just posted this (spamming everyone in a forum) so I replied I would buy it for $260,000. http://www.spotlighthometours.com/tours/tour.php?tourid=17836&reloaded=true I haven't heard back yet. |
| 16:30.44 | skrike | did you see the monavie mansion on sltrib? |
| 16:30.53 | skrike | the pictures are re-donkey-diculous |
| 16:31.25 | youtah | lol, yeah I did |
| 16:31.31 | skrike | http://www.sltrib.com/sltrib/news/56647684-78/ewell-upland-homes-says.html.csp |
| 16:32.05 | youtah | Seriously, they're trying to sell a home and they take pictures that look like this?!?!?!? |
| 16:32.43 | youtah | dang, it wont let me link to the image |
| 16:32.46 | youtah | they're using flash |
| 16:32.57 | youtah | They have a picture of a floor mat on the ground |
| 16:34.00 | youtah | http://i.imgur.com/ANT2knK.png |
| 16:34.01 | youtah | there |
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| 17:58.31 | Sargun | eightyeight: Well, except LEOs, very few people have guns. |
| 17:58.43 | Sargun | eightyeight: And criminals. |
| 17:59.04 | Sargun | eightyeight: The problem here isn't so much owning the gun, it's moving it. |
| 17:59.39 | joshh | ya |
| 18:00.06 | youtah | I was at Lagoon on Saturday, the guy in line, in front of me, buys his son new Air Jordans once a week. |
| 18:00.06 | joshh | having one to defend your house is no problem, but carrying one or driving it somewhere is a pita |
| 18:00.36 | joshh | Sargun: do you shoot/have a gun? |
| 18:00.47 | youtah | He was heavily intoxicated, with a beer in his hand, and his 3yo standing next to him. He turned to me and asked... "can you watch my kid while I grab another beer?" |
| 18:01.08 | youtah | I was like, No. How about you take him with you. "Oh, yeah.... that would be a good idea." |
| 18:01.48 | joshh | i took my 3 year old to get another beer at a baseball game a few weeks ago |
| 18:02.05 | joshh | he threw a mini fit and grabbed my leg on the way back and made me spill some |
| 18:02.15 | youtah | joshh, but did you try and leave him with a complete stranger? |
| 18:02.39 | joshh | no |
| 18:03.00 | youtah | and who drinks alcohol when they're at Lagoon, in the hot hot sun, when it's like 101 degrees outside. |
| 18:03.05 | joshh | i figured you knew the guy somewhat, since you said he buys all the jordans |
| 18:03.20 | youtah | lol, naw |
| 18:03.33 | youtah | it was something he mentioned |
| 18:03.39 | joshh | everyone i know who goes to lagoon drinks there |
| 18:03.51 | youtah | I don't |
| 18:03.56 | youtah | :-) |
| 18:04.02 | unum | when I attend family gatherings 6 out of 14 adults are carrying loaded weapons |
| 18:04.06 | youtah | and definately not when it's 101 degrees and in the sun |
| 18:04.07 | youtah | I don |
| 18:04.14 | youtah | I don't even drink soda in that kind of heat. |
| 18:04.29 | youtah | talk about a pure disaster and setup for dehydration and heat stroke. |
| 18:04.35 | goozbach | lemonade? |
| 18:05.09 | joshh | i don't know anyone that gets intoxicated there though |
| 18:05.11 | youtah | okay, I'll have lemonade, but I try to make sure to push a ton of water when it's that hot |
| 18:05.32 | youtah | Good point joshh, this guy could barely stand |
| 18:05.45 | joshh | roller coasters/spinning rides and being drunk could get ugly |
| 18:05.52 | youtah | it was hilarious to listen to him scream on Tilt a whirl though. |
| 18:06.34 | youtah | We watched one guy get wheeled out with IV's and two on stretchers with IV's on Saturday |
| 18:09.23 | youtah | I was honestly waiting for him to collapse from heat exhaustion. He was white, clammy, skin looked pasty. I even mentioned to him... "make sure you follow that up with some water" |
| 18:09.33 | youtah | he was really nice though |
| 18:09.46 | joshh | ya water is the key |
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| 18:10.56 | eightyeight | Sargun: remind me not to be in california during the zombie apocalypse. :) |
| 18:11.13 | joshh | i generally have an anytime, anywhere policy when it comes to beer, but i recently went boating/tubing and didn't take any beer onto the boat, since it was hot/sunny |
| 18:11.54 | joshh | also, there were mormons on the boat, and i didn't want any potential dirty looks/etc |
| 18:13.13 | goozbach | joshh: more than one mormon, you'd have been good |
| 18:13.16 | goozbach | :) |
| 18:13.38 | joshh | it was a family |
| 18:13.42 | goozbach | well from them drinking your beer, dirty looks notwithstanding |
| 18:13.58 | joshh | they turned off the boat's radio after a zac brown song said "ass" |
| 18:14.10 | joshh | if that gives you an idea |
| 18:14.12 | youtah | lol |
| 18:14.22 | youtah | more than one |
| 18:15.03 | youtah | Exclusive: U.S. directs agents to cover up program used to investigate Americans http://www.reuters.com/article/2013/08/05/us-dea-sod-idUSBRE97409R20130805?irpc=932 |
| 18:15.09 | joshh | they are awesome people (wife's sister and her family), but definitely on the hardcore side |
| 18:17.42 | youtah | skrike, how long is the hike to the basin below Timp? Have you done it before? |
| 18:20.22 | youtah | Apparently a B-25 crashed on Timp back in 1955 |
| 18:23.39 | Sargun | joshh: I do not have a gun. |
| 18:23.58 | Sargun | joshh: If you use one for self-defense here, you will almost certainly get an assault charge. |
| 18:24.15 | Sargun | joshh: Even arming yourelf with one is dangerous. |
| 18:24.25 | youtah | where are you Sargun? |
| 18:24.29 | Sargun | joshh: At the range, but not outside of that. |
| 18:24.35 | Sargun | At home, in San Francisco. |
| 18:24.44 | Sargun | Roughly, 3rd and Townsend. |
| 18:24.47 | youtah | ah |
| 18:26.04 | goozbach | for those of you interested: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gun_laws_in_California |
| 18:26.31 | Q_Continuum | TLDR: They're Speshul. |
| 18:26.59 | Sargun | goozbach: SF county has further laws |
| 18:28.17 | goozbach | yeah, looking into the middle section there's some more restrictions |
| 18:28.50 | goozbach | perl gurus, I've got a stickler here. |
| 18:29.08 | goozbach | I can build and install a perl module by hand, but once I put it into a spec file it fails. |
| 18:29.14 | goozbach | anyone have a min to help me look? |
| 18:29.21 | goozbach | Jayce^: fozzmoo neybar_work ? |
| 18:32.16 | Sargun | Unless I was fending off a targetted attack, owning a gun really doesn't / wont make me feel any safer |
| 18:33.08 | Sargun | You'd have to get through three fire doors to get to my house, and the same for work -- with security at both. |
| 18:38.44 | unum | my antidotal experience has actually made me feel safer not owning a gun |
| 18:40.06 | Jayce^ | fozzmoo has been doing a lot of that lately |
| 18:42.34 | goozbach | I'm 6 packages from having RT 4.0.17 prereqs all done |
| 18:44.22 | Jayce^ | he's not on his proxy, says to jabber or email him |
| 18:45.14 | goozbach | k |
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| 19:42.39 | joshh | Sargun: i wouldn't worry about that if someone was in my house, but you definitely couldn't pull a zimmerman here |
| 19:43.06 | joshh | Sargun: i went to coyote valley sporting clays a while ago, it's a nice place and i had fun |
| 19:43.13 | joshh | im not into shooting in general though |
| 19:58.02 | youtah | cc: jlp_znc re: parl |
| 19:58.04 | youtah | perl |
| 19:59.32 | jlp_znc | goozbach: you're trying to make an RPM that includes a perl module? |
| 20:00.15 | goozbach | jlp_znc: yeah, using cpanspec created specfile |
| 20:00.29 | jlp_znc | have you looked at cpanflute2? |
| 20:00.39 | goozbach | I will in a bit |
| 20:01.06 | goozbach | the biggest problem is that the 'make test' works on my live system, and fails inside the mock chroot |
| 20:01.07 | jlp_znc | I haven't used it myself, but pointers seem to suggest it makes that sort of thing easier |
| 20:01.14 | goozbach | and I'm unable to figure out why |
| 20:01.26 | jlp_znc | what module are you trying to wrap up? |
| 20:01.30 | goozbach | I'm supposing a missing dependancy but yeah |
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| 20:01.41 | goozbach | CPAN::Meta::Requirements |
| 20:01.53 | jlp_znc | hmmm |
| 20:02.18 | jlp_znc | I also found cpan-to-rpm.pl (that uses cpanflute2): https://www.google.com/url?sa=t&rct=j&q=&esrc=s&source=web&cd=5&ved=0CE8QFjAE&url=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.waider.ie%2Fhacks%2Fworkshop%2Fperl%2Fcpan-to-rpm.pl&ei=TgQAUoSKN-bOyAHA94A4&usg=AFQjCNG4vKRlWw-mZkjJwr5uSptPl7ULGw&sig2=kaGtPYJZ61SRGw38euf4JQ&bvm=bv.50165853,d.aWc |
| 20:02.57 | jlp_znc | I don't have any other suggestions, though, as I hate rpms with a passion |
| 20:03.44 | goozbach | tks anyhow! |
| 20:03.54 | goozbach | I'll try flute2 in a bit |
| 20:04.06 | goozbach | just found a srcrpm for fedora I might be able to backport |
| 20:04.59 | jlp_znc | The Tubes - "Drums" dugga dugga dugga chuh |
| 20:05.34 | jlp_znc | http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AX2LQ6xgTkw |
| 20:08.35 | neybar_work | goozbach: sup |
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| 20:13.48 | Jayce^ | just... wow... http://www.youtube.com/user/BABYMETALofficial |
| 20:14.02 | Jayce^ | for the metalheads... |
| 20:14.15 | Jayce^ | and harleypig |
| 20:16.34 | jlp_znc | japanese hair band? |
| 20:17.07 | Jayce^ | yeah, with the pop dancing to go with the metal |
| 20:19.22 | goozbach | neybar_work: trying to get an rpm for CPAN::Meta::Requirements built, I think I may have found the probem though, as the srpm for fedora has gobs of requires and buildrequires I'm missing |
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| 20:40.40 | sjansen | goozbach: My condolences. |
| 20:41.01 | goozbach | sjansen: why? |
| 20:41.03 | goozbach | :) |
| 20:42.43 | sjansen | goozbach: For you loss of sanity, and possible incarceration following a rage filled rampage triggerd by attempting to package a perl module. |
| 20:42.47 | sjansen | s/you/your |
| 20:46.51 | goozbach | you'll come vist me at prison, right? |
| 20:47.30 | goozbach | (sjansen's response) http://gifatron.com/2012/12/dinklage-flipping-the-bird/ |
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| 20:51.41 | sjansen | Jayce^: In retrospect it's so obvious. Introduce Scandinavians to metal large men with chainsaws for vocal chords to perfect death metal. Introduce the Japanese to metal and they find 12 year old girls to sing and dance to it. |
| 20:52.03 | sjansen | s/large men/and they find large men |
| 20:52.29 | Jayce^ | sjansen: why'd you miss Damian last week? |
| 20:52.40 | sjansen | That was last week? |
| 20:52.52 | Jayce^ | yup |
| 20:52.56 | sjansen | bah |
| 20:52.56 | Jayce^ | as advertised |
| 20:53.14 | Jayce^ | points to fozzmoo's video |
| 20:56.56 | goozbach | Jayce^: samisen in metal, not bad |
| 20:57.04 | goozbach | look up the yoshida brothers |
| 20:59.06 | goozbach | shoot! even with the updated specfile I'm still faling the same error. |
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| 21:03.10 | Tene | For packaging perl modules into debian packages, I always just listed the relevant files in debian/install, instead of trying to use the fancy perl support. |
| 21:03.39 | Tene | goozbach: For someone asking for help, you've given surprisingly few details, so I suspect that maybe you're just griping, and not asking for assistance? |
| 21:04.07 | goozbach | working on the details |
| 21:05.03 | goozbach | looks to be around a die_ok test |
| 21:05.34 | Tene | For packaging cpan modules for fedora, I usually used cpanspec or cpan2dist |
| 21:05.46 | Tene | with CPANPLUS::Dist::Fedora |
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| 21:06.28 | goozbach | https://gist.github.com/goozbach/33a028683284a9570788 |
| 21:06.37 | goozbach | here's what I've done this far |
| 21:06.54 | goozbach | ran cpanspec to build the specfile/download the tarball |
| 21:07.30 | goozbach | mock --buildsrpm --spec *.spec --sources . # to build srpm |
| 21:07.32 | goozbach | that works |
| 21:07.33 | goozbach | then |
| 21:07.47 | goozbach | then copy the srpm from the mock chroot |
| 21:07.50 | goozbach | then |
| 21:08.02 | goozbach | mock --rebuild *.src.rpm |
| 21:08.19 | goozbach | the above gist is the log of that transaction |
| 21:08.36 | Tene | I don't think I've ever used mock. |
| 21:08.38 | goozbach | when I unpack the tarball (on the same host) and do these steps: |
| 21:08.49 | goozbach | cd <NAME> |
| 21:08.56 | goozbach | perl Makefile.PL |
| 21:08.58 | goozbach | make test |
| 21:09.00 | goozbach | make |
| 21:09.02 | goozbach | it works |
| 21:09.08 | goozbach | no errors, builds properly |
| 21:09.35 | goozbach | I know that this package has worked in mock before as it's built for fedora (using koji, which uses mock) |
| 21:09.45 | Tene | Those aren't the commands that are listed in your gist |
| 21:09.51 | Tene | you might try following them exactly. |
| 21:10.46 | youtah | see's link from Jayce^ ... pauses music to play youtube music video |
| 21:10.58 | Jayce^ | I'm sure fozz can answer your question when he gets to his IRC.. |
| 21:11.06 | Jayce^ | he's built a ton recently, including RT |
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| 21:11.58 | youtah | Ah yes, these guys.... they borrowed my garage to film this the other day.... |
| 21:13.20 | goozbach | fozz isn't on IM or I'd have pingged him |
| 21:13.46 | goozbach | but if he's got a built version of RT I may have to beg it from him. |
| 21:13.46 | youtah | fozzmoo is busy watching BABYMETAL |
| 21:13.58 | goozbach | ~invoke fozzmoo |
| 21:14.11 | sjansen | goozbach: YOU'RE BUILDING RT? |
| 21:14.13 | goozbach | ohh that's not there anymore |
| 21:14.15 | youtah | ~fishslap fozzmoo |
| 21:14.15 | infobot | ACTION slaps fozzmoo up side the head with a wet fish. |
| 21:14.17 | goozbach | sjansen: yeah |
| 21:14.28 | sjansen | goozbach: RUN AWAY! |
| 21:14.31 | goozbach | why? |
| 21:14.34 | goozbach | :) |
| 21:14.41 | goozbach | I really *LIKE* RT |
| 21:14.48 | goozbach | and I just got it running on openshift |
| 21:14.53 | goozbach | rt.goozbach.net |
| 21:15.15 | goozbach | what is wrong with RT? |
| 21:15.27 | youtah | Jayce^, Daft Punk seems like such elevator music after some BABYMETAL |
| 21:15.54 | goozbach | bah, it's died again. not sure why it keeps missing the config |
| 21:15.56 | sjansen | I've packaged RT and dependencies twice. The first time I barely escaped with my life, the second time I was institutionalized for a month. |
| 21:16.17 | goozbach | sjansen: I've attempted thrice now |
| 21:16.22 | goozbach | this is the forth attempt |
| 21:16.30 | goozbach | I'm still sane |
| 21:16.33 | goozbach | 'ish |
| 21:16.51 | Jayce^ | mmmm... rt |
| 21:17.02 | youtah | mmmmmmmmmmm .... rt |
| 21:17.22 | sjansen | Never again. I don't have anything against rt, but I'm only using someone else's packages from now on. |
| 21:17.33 | youtah | sjansen you broke the pattern!!!! |
| 21:17.36 | goozbach | sjansen: that's my goal |
| 21:17.46 | goozbach | is to koji'ize it |
| 21:17.58 | goozbach | so I can get the stupid thing built when I need it |
| 21:18.11 | goozbach | hence wanting to do the build in mock |
| 21:18.35 | Jayce^ | yeah, we do it all via mock as well |
| 21:18.42 | sjansen | When I tried it a few years ago, couldn't be done. There were a couple packages that only built outside mock. |
| 21:18.53 | Jayce^ | fozz has them all in SCL packages |
| 21:19.23 | goozbach | sjansen: that's what I'm finding |
| 21:19.42 | goozbach | was looking for a perlhead (moreso than myself) to help get over that hump |
| 21:19.54 | goozbach | not that I consider myself a PM anymore |
| 21:23.03 | Jayce^ | http://www.businessinsider.com/byu-perfect-response-stone-cold-sober-school-2013-8 |
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| 21:36.56 | youtah | You guys see that Amazon's CEO is buying Washington Post? |
| 21:37.30 | youtah | oh wait, it is the found |
| 21:37.31 | youtah | er |
| 21:37.42 | youtah | http://money.cnn.com/2013/08/05/news/companies/washington-post-bezos/index.html?hpt=hp_c2 |
| 21:39.48 | youtah | https://twitter.com/marcambinder/status/364487627551948801 |
| 21:39.48 | spangborn | Twitter: @: |
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| 22:04.27 | goozbach | sjansen: looks like I won't have to package the RT rpms anymore, fozz is gonna send em to me! |
| 22:04.39 | goozbach | fozzmoo: I owe you a $bev_of_choice |
| 22:06.07 | sjansen | goozbach: Cheapskate. You owe him at least a $standard_bev_grouping if not a $party_size_bev_grouping. |
| 22:07.24 | goozbach | sjansen: true |
| 22:07.55 | goozbach | one 24pk of diet mtn dew shipped from amazon prime! |
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| 22:09.24 | goozbach | should suffice, no? |
| 22:44.03 | shalkie | ARGH! |
| 22:44.21 | shalkie | I have had a + in my account address for bn.com for years and NOW they stop honoring it. |
| 22:44.31 | goozbach | send them the RFC |
| 22:44.37 | goozbach | :) |
| 22:54.01 | jlp_znc | shalkie: as in, you can't log in any more? |
| 22:54.39 | jlp_znc | checks his registered e-mail address with bn |
| 22:55.07 | goozbach | really the easiest way to validate an email address (as far as valid) is to send a 'registration link' |
| 22:55.18 | goozbach | no futzing with "this isn't a valid email" |
| 22:55.31 | jlp_znc | too bad there are so many lazy programmers out there |
| 22:55.33 | goozbach | and it's something you should be doing anyway |
| 22:55.45 | goozbach | that's the thing, doing it the 'right' way is the lazy way |
| 22:55.51 | jlp_znc | truth be told, according to the RFC, the lhs of the @ can be *anything* |
| 22:56.28 | jlp_znc | looks like I'm not using a + address with bn, whew. |
| 22:57.17 | sjansen | goozbach: Not true. It is helpful to do basic error reporting like rejecting "foo@@example.com" or "bar@example..com" |
| 22:58.03 | sjansen | If I had to do address verification today, I'd look seriously at http://blog.mailgun.com/post/free-email-validation-api-for-web-forms/ |
| 22:59.02 | goozbach | sjansen: I'll half-way agree with you there. |
| 22:59.05 | ldav15 | yep, RFC 822 was really loose in that respect. The LHS can even contain an '@' IIRC. Maybe the've fixed that in a later RFC. |
| 22:59.43 | goozbach | doing the 'must validate' route would happen if you don't get the email, and allow the setting to be changed. |
| 23:00.47 | jlp_znc | http://www.regular-expressions.info/email.html |
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| 23:06.36 | jlp_znc | ldav15: LHS can include @, and even white space, if it's in quotes |
| 23:10.07 | jlp_znc | my first e-mail address was... "{ ...!utah-cs!caeco | quad1 }!olyis!jlp" |
| 23:11.30 | ldav15 | UUCP, eh. |
| 23:11.33 | jlp_znc | later interpreted as caeco!olyis!sol!jlp@cs.utah.edu (as seen in RFC1166) |
| 23:11.59 | jlp_znc | and still later as jlp@olyis.UUCP (if you had UUmaps set up) |
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| 23:45.04 | jxqz | my favorite is web form password validation |
| 23:48.09 | jxqz | 'ok, I'll generate a new password for this' ... come back with voluminous password -> submit form -> we're sorry, your password must $random_garbage 'But, I put all kinds of garbage into my PW' |
| 23:48.48 | goozbach | how bout the ones who limit password lenght to like 8 chars |
| 23:48.50 | goozbach | ? |
| 23:50.00 | jxqz | 'Is PW too long or to advanced for 90's-grade website encryption?' |
| 23:50.52 | jxqz | 'does it contain characters that are too "advanced" for $web_form? Maybe I'll give up and move on to some other website that knows how to validate' |
| 23:51.07 | jxqz | goozbach: I prefer to keep my PWs at least 64 chars |
| 23:51.16 | jxqz | all different |
| 23:51.25 | goozbach | there was a site who was rejecting passwords with 'vulgar' words in them |
| 23:51.31 | jxqz | hahaha |
| 23:52.01 | goozbach | one I submitted had the string '.....nigger.....' and it was rejected |
| 23:52.14 | goozbach | cut and pasted like four times before I read the error |
| 23:52.32 | goozbach | "password and username cannot contain vulgar strings" |
| 23:52.52 | joshh | change it to cracker, watch it work |
| 23:53.09 | jxqz | that basically means you probably can't trust them at least to salt their PWs |
| 23:53.45 | goozbach | yup |
| 23:53.47 | jxqz | salt and pepper |
| 23:53.49 | jxqz | and spice |
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| 23:58.51 | shalkie | jlp_znc: Yep, I cannot login to the bn.com website. |
