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| 04:30.33 | jxqz | is 4 nested screens too many? |
| 04:32.56 | jxqz | rsimpkins: how do you manage your screen sessions? |
| 04:33.13 | jxqz | I mean, do you have specific profiles that you use for different contexts? |
| 04:33.50 | jxqz | one thing I've found annoying about how screen handles profiles is mostly fixed by this wrapper I created: https://github.com/jfindlay/ |
| 04:34.05 | jxqz | https://github.com/jfindlay/pscreen |
| 04:38.54 | jxqz | I like have lots of predefined sessions for the different things I do |
| 04:38.59 | jxqz | like to have |
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| 16:03.26 | manithree | W00t! Fresh re-install of 12.04 LTS fixed (almost) all the issues on my MacBook Air. |
| 16:03.40 | youtah | spangborn, I call FAKE on that video. The music cuts away perfectly, just has he's hit. |
| 16:03.42 | youtah | BOOM! |
| 16:03.54 | manithree | Lesson: don't upgrade from 11.04 |
| 16:05.07 | Q_Continuum | When I used to run Ubuntu I kept two identical HDDs. New release? swap drives, fresh install, copy over profile. |
| 16:05.34 | manithree | So much for the vaunted capabilities of dpkg/apt |
| 16:06.27 | manithree | Ok, I have a debian linode I haven't re-installed since 2005, I respect dpkg/apt. |
| 16:08.00 | Q_Continuum | Well I had issues with some stuff back when Ubuntu was still 'new' |
| 16:08.05 | Q_Continuum | 2005 et al |
| 16:08.09 | Q_Continuum | so I learned that was easier :-D |
| 16:08.28 | Q_Continuum | Guaranteed I wouldn't be totally screwed if an update hosed the box |
| 16:09.40 | jlp_znc | I experimented with the dist upgrade option to go from 10.04 to 12.04. it took about six hours and totally hosed the machine (to where it was unusable afterwards). |
| 16:10.01 | jlp_znc | clean install of 12.04 took about 30 minutes |
| 16:10.22 | jlp_znc | I was glad I was doing this testing in a VM |
| 16:11.07 | manithree | Now it won't automatically connect to my work (hidden) wireless network, have to manually tell it to, but that's LOTS better than post-upgrade. |
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| 16:19.04 | rsimpkins | jxqz: Yes. I have different profiles I use depending on context. |
| 16:19.23 | rsimpkins | jxqz: I have it integrated with my login process, so my environment follows me from machine to machine. |
| 16:23.36 | spangborn | Lesson: Don't use Ubuntu for a desktop system. |
| 16:26.34 | manithree | spangborn: I couldn't even get the Fedora installer to boot. Hmm. Maybe I'll try F19 ... |
| 16:27.28 | spangborn | I need to try Mint out. |
| 16:27.48 | spangborn | I just have bad memories of RPM hell. |
| 16:29.43 | rsimpkins | I haven't experienced major RPM issues ever since I started using yum. |
| 16:30.07 | spangborn | Well, this was with red carpet, so I guess that makes a pretty big difference |
| 16:31.26 | rsimpkins | Gate: Yes, chrome is faster in almost every respect over Opera on Linux. Opera used to, quite frankly, rock it. I look forward to Opera moving to Chrome for their rendering. |
| 16:31.44 | spangborn | Aren't there Opera builds already using Blink? |
| 16:31.46 | manithree | rsimpkins: ^ that. yum made rpms usable |
| 16:32.01 | spangborn | I also read that Opera with Blink removed a ton of features. |
| 16:32.13 | rsimpkins | manithree: So sad about the guy who created Yum. :( |
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| 16:32.31 | manithree | rsimpkins: Yeah |
| 16:32.35 | rsimpkins | spangborn: Where do you read? I'd like to read. |
| 16:32.52 | spangborn | It was a conversation on app.net |
| 16:33.27 | rsimpkins | I see. Well, hopefully they don't make opera just a chrome clone. Using the rendering stuff is cool, but it is all the other opera "things" that I like. |
| 16:33.39 | spangborn | I'll look to see if I can find the post |
| 16:33.53 | rsimpkins | Not to mention Opera had gestures and tabs before anyone else. It is fairly polished. |
| 16:33.56 | spangborn | Oh cool, work proxy is blocking it now, haha. |
| 16:35.03 | spangborn | https://posts.app.net/7490359 |
| 16:35.17 | spangborn | So they removed the torrent client, private tabs, mail, unity. |
| 16:35.34 | spangborn | But the Blink version still isn't final, so it's possible some of that could come back |
| 16:37.02 | rsimpkins | the torrent client and mail client are both pretty bad. |
| 16:37.05 | rsimpkins | I never use them. |
| 16:37.18 | rsimpkins | Makes sense they would focus back on the basics. |
| 16:37.34 | rsimpkins | A browswer should not be a kitchen sink. |
| 16:37.48 | rsimpkins | I would love to try a standalone mail app written by them. |
| 16:38.08 | spangborn | They did that already, I think. |
| 16:38.10 | Q_Continuum | rsimpkins: LIES http://www-archive.mozilla.org/docs/web-developer/samples/kitchensink.xml |
| 16:38.24 | spangborn | http://opera.com/computer/mail |
| 16:38.41 | spangborn | I like that there's "computer" in that URL |
| 16:38.47 | spangborn | As if it would be something else. |
| 16:39.00 | rsimpkins | Q_Continuum: That runs just fine in Opera. It is just slow on Linux. :( |
| 16:39.23 | Q_Continuum | kitchensink.xml runs slow on Linux? |
| 16:39.25 | rsimpkins | spangborn: Well, there ya go. :) |
| 16:39.29 | Q_Continuum | What are you running it on, a PII? |
| 16:39.32 | rsimpkins | Q_Continuum: On Opera Linux, yes. |
| 16:39.36 | Q_Continuum | That file has been around for over a decade... |
| 16:39.41 | rsimpkins | Q_Continuum: Chrome renders that page much faster. |
| 16:39.59 | Q_Continuum | That is from shortly after Netscape became the Mozilla Suite... |
| 16:40.25 | rsimpkins | Q_Continuum: Yeah, Opera has been really terrible latley. |
| 16:40.49 | rsimpkins | Q_Continuum: Using any hosted docs solution like google docs or lucidchart are now well beyond usable with the current Opera. |
| 16:40.58 | Q_Continuum | Ouch |
| 16:41.02 | rsimpkins | unusable. :) |
| 16:41.21 | rsimpkins | So I installed Chrome. Things are nice and snappy now. |
| 16:41.23 | Q_Continuum | uses Firefox for eeryday use, Chrome for Google Things, IE for (some) Msft Things. |
| 16:41.37 | spangborn | I use Lynx for everything. |
| 16:41.51 | rsimpkins | nc and curl. |
| 16:42.03 | rsimpkins | best browsers evar! :) |
| 16:42.03 | Q_Continuum | TIN CAN AND TWINE |
| 16:42.18 | spangborn | Twine? I use human hair |
| 16:42.40 | Q_Continuum | human hair hard to come by in radioactive 'alpaca-lypse. |
| 16:42.44 | rsimpkins | I use hair taken from albino children in the ANDES! |
| 16:42.52 | manithree | Outlook Web Access should really be called Oulook IE access :-( |
| 16:42.57 | youtah | okay... who gave spangborn Q_Continuum and rsimpkins caffeine this morning?\ |
| 16:43.15 | rsimpkins | youtah: Diet. Pepsi. On. Tap. |
| 16:43.16 | spangborn | I CAN HAZ MT_DEW. |
| 16:45.00 | spangborn | OH GOD. |
| 16:45.18 | spangborn | The architects are trying to push this awful CMS to handle all content/design for our app pages. |
| 16:45.30 | spangborn | cries. |
| 16:47.06 | rsimpkins | Q_Continuum: I think as long as Opera keeps dragonfly in v15, I'm cool with whatever they take out. |
| 16:47.24 | rsimpkins | spangborn: Take the blue pill. |
| 16:47.42 | Q_Continuum | youtah: I made the coffee myself! |
| 16:47.56 | Q_Continuum | Also I am the one who stocks my minifridge |
| 16:48.03 | Q_Continuum | So there is ALWAYS caffeine around. |
| 16:48.18 | Q_Continuum | (I stock it on orders from above and expense) |
| 16:51.12 | spangborn | I think I may need to start armoring my cube. |
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| 16:56.01 | utlemming | spangborn: lol |
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| 17:51.37 | levi | Wow, former coworker killed his ex-wife and himself. :( |
| 17:52.40 | jlp_znc | hamster powered strand beast: https://plus.google.com/u/0/104505170067194210282/posts/P2tyNFjC5vT |
| 17:53.15 | jlp_znc | s/beast/beest/ |
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| 17:59.00 | levi | I'd never seen strandbeests before. Those are awesome. |
| 18:01.03 | jlp_znc | they are quite cool: http://www.strandbeest.com/ I like the one sneaking up on the lady while she watches the other one. |
| 18:09.26 | jlp_znc | they are kind of what I pictured the giant walking cathedrals in Alastair Reynold's Absolution Gap (http://www.goodreads.com/book/show/89184.Absolution_Gap) to look like. |
| 18:11.30 | skrike | is that good? I read house of suns and loved it. |
| 18:14.05 | jlp_znc | it took me a while to get through it... I read Revelation Space and Redemption Ark pretty quickly, then started Absolution Gap... I put it down about a third of the way through and didn't get back to it for a while. |
| 18:14.14 | skrike | ah |
| 18:14.57 | jlp_znc | goodreads says I started it on June 23 2011 and finished it on April 12 2012 |
| 18:14.57 | skrike | Im re-reading stephensons baroque cycle right now, halfway through the second book right now, its taken me a while. |
| 18:15.25 | jlp_znc | I gave it a three star rating, so I didn't "hate" it. :-/ |
| 18:16.16 | jlp_znc | do you need to have read Cryptonomicon to enjoy the Baroque Cycle? |
| 18:16.30 | jlp_znc | I don't think I've read anything by Stephenson |
| 18:19.08 | jlp_znc | I'm working my way through some non-fiction right now: http://www.goodreads.com/book/show/1442244.Q_Ships_Versus_U_Boats and Randolph Lalonde's Spinward Fringe books on my Nook. |
| 18:19.18 | jlp_znc | http://www.goodreads.com/series/55775-spinward-fringe |
| 18:20.49 | skrike | I first tried to read the bvaroque cycle when it first came out, I finished the first book then put it down til this year. Ive read cryptonomicon probably 4 or 5 times now, and although it helps you differentiate which characters are fake and which are real historical characters, you dont need to read it to enjoy the books. |
| 18:21.03 | skrike | But cryptonomicon is probably my favorite book ever. |
| 18:21.11 | skrike | His new one reamde is also amazing IMO |
| 18:21.49 | jlp_znc | I've had books where I started them, got part way through, stuck in a book mark and put it back on the shelf, then restarted reading several years later. "hey, this book has a bookmark in it... did I ever finish it?" |
| 18:23.13 | skrike | I do that once in a while as well. |
| 18:24.03 | skrike | I read the first 4 GRRM books quickly, just bought dance with dragons and am debating on starting all over from #1 or starting back in at #5 and being extremely confused :P |
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| 19:37.59 | jima | now pashdown's blurb's hit schneier's blog: http://www.schneier.com/blog/archives/2013/07/details_on_nsaf.html |
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| 21:01.49 | harleypig | http://www.newyorker.com/online/blogs/elements/2013/06/what-its-like-to-get-a-national-security-letter.html WTF? "Do you encrypt your email?" "No, that's really hard." |
| 21:04.28 | Migs | http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CL78eVVW9_M&safe=active |
| 21:05.39 | eightyeight | harleypig: i agree |
| 21:05.57 | eightyeight | ecrypting email is a pita |
| 21:06.52 | harleypig | nah ... encrypting it isn't hard ... decrypting it for your family members is hard |
| 21:08.52 | eightyeight | first, you have to generate a key pair, and know the difference between the two |
| 21:08.58 | eightyeight | which means understanding crypto to begin with |
| 21:09.06 | eightyeight | then you have to install a client that supports it |
| 21:09.20 | eightyeight | then, you need to distribute your public key |
| 21:09.25 | eightyeight | which involves keyservers |
| 21:09.38 | eightyeight | but, you can't be 100% sure you can trust the data, unless keys are signed |
| 21:09.43 | eightyeight | so, you have to attend a keyparty |
| 21:09.56 | eightyeight | which means printing out your fingerprint |
| 21:10.19 | eightyeight | and we haven't even gotten to the point of getting others to use it |
| 21:10.27 | eightyeight | encrypting email is a massive PITA |
| 21:11.27 | eightyeight | and this is coming from someone who cryptographically signs every email he sends |
| 21:11.29 | eightyeight | heh |
| 21:15.12 | goozbach | encrypting your email isn't hard, doing it correctly is |
| 21:16.04 | eightyeight | let me know how well your mom does at encrypting her email. :) |
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| 21:18.05 | jlp_znc | my mom does great. she writes what she wants in the e-mail down and hands it to my dad! |
| 21:18.10 | harleypig | once it's all setup it's not hard. :] And, yeah, my mom won't even discuss it. "If the government wants to spy on my talking about my incontinence problems with my friends, let them!" |
| 21:18.37 | jlp_znc | I seldom encrypt, but I do sign all of my work-related mail |
| 21:18.56 | eightyeight | bitmessage is much easier |
| 21:19.01 | eightyeight | encryption should be transparent |
| 21:19.08 | jlp_znc | I'll encrypt if I'm sending sensitive data and know that the recipient has a keypair. |
| 21:19.37 | jlp_znc | http://xkcd.com/1181/ |
| 21:20.01 | eightyeight | yup. pretty much. |
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| 23:20.15 | youtah | harleypig, eightyeight, I like creating 2GB truecrypt containers, putting all my text files in there, and then emailing them.... ;-) |
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| 23:21.12 | youtah | is just kidding, I don't try and email 2GB files. Well, I haven't tried yet. |
| 23:21.28 | harleypig_ | heh |
| 23:21.47 | youtah | but seriously |
| 23:21.57 | youtah | loves trucrypt |
| 23:22.18 | youtah | *truecrypt |
| 23:25.06 | youtah | OMGosh... I shouldn't have had JCW's on my way home from talking with the Foreman at our house. |
| 23:25.27 | youtah | might be on bacon overload |
| 23:25.59 | fozzmoo | Everyone here (except me) has been ODing on bacon, it seems. |
| 23:26.39 | youtah | slowly rolls around on the ground kind of like Jell-O on a very slight slope.... |
| 23:28.36 | eightyeight | dm-crypt ftw |
| 23:32.49 | youtah | eightyeight, never heard of it, looks Schwuh-EEEET! |
| 23:33.17 | eightyeight | linux kernel space device mapper for setting up encrypted disks/partitions/volumes |
| 23:33.50 | youtah | Si, reading the wikipedia page now.... |
| 23:51.30 | fozzmoo | http://youtu.be/2zr7qKhG0vA |
| 23:53.55 | youtah | lol fozzmoo |
| 23:54.03 | youtah | jlp_znc needs to see this |
| 23:54.11 | fozzmoo | Share it far and wide. |
| 23:54.19 | fozzmoo | I made it in a hurry. |
| 23:54.46 | youtah | spangborn and dremex_work need to go, so they can learn the true beauty of Perl |
| 23:55.06 | fozzmoo | I'm actually not sure how much of his talk is going to be Perl-specific. |
| 23:55.15 | youtah | ah |
| 23:55.33 | fozzmoo | so, pretty much anyone with $geek > 0 would probably enjoy it. |
| 23:55.42 | youtah | lol |
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