| 00:00.05 | youtah | Let me send you some deposit slips |
| 00:00.26 | youtah | I like Mountain America CU and UofU Credit Union |
| 00:01.25 | Q_Continuum | I'm not an alumni of any Utah education anything |
| 00:03.10 | Q_Continuum | ah, living in SL county qualifies as well |
| 00:17.48 | jlp_znc | I've used several credit unions over the years... they've all had good points and bad points. I'd find one that has convenient locations to home and work and go there. |
| 00:18.46 | jlp_znc | note that a lot of credit unions now have cooperative teller services as well as atms. my current one, security service cu (used to be beehive) has arrangements through the coop so I can go to pretty much any credit union and do teller transactions just as though I were at my own branch. |
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| 00:35.25 | Q_Continuum | Yeah. I think I'll walk down to Mountain America over lunch tomorrow then. |
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| 13:40.43 | Q_Continuum | Because in MN the CUs were all 1 or 3 site, and that was *IT* (at least the ones I knew about) |
| 13:40.57 | Q_Continuum | Which if you lived in a small town was fine, but in the metro area sucked as I moved around |
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| 15:59.33 | levi | Heya, #utahns. |
| 16:06.52 | keldwud | diff between SELECT Column1 FROM Table1 WHERE Column1 IN (value1, value2) versus SELECT Column1 FROM Table1 WHERE Column1 = |
| 16:07.02 | keldwud | whoops, entered too early |
| 16:07.18 | keldwud | WHERE Column1 = 'value1' OR Column1 = 'value2' |
| 16:07.32 | keldwud | so, diff between IN and OR, please and thank you |
| 16:10.04 | fungus | no logical difference, only possible performance difference depending on DB, and query optimization practices. |
| 16:28.29 | unum_ | faster to type the first one, which is always a main concern of mine :) |
| 16:28.40 | jlp_znc | http://stackoverflow.com/questions/3074713/in-vs-or-in-the-sql-where-clause |
| 16:28.44 | unum | I've been teaching an SQL class at stevens-henager |
| 16:29.41 | jlp_znc | according to the stackoverflow post, or is about 30% slower on mysql, performance is the same on oracle. |
| 16:29.49 | jlp_znc | what DB are you using? |
| 16:30.53 | youtah | that sounds, not good |
| 16:31.18 | youtah | "Recorded Live - Flesh Eating Film Reels (1975)" http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=S-Qeee8D2Ro via jlp_znc |
| 16:34.37 | keldwud | mysql, yeah |
| 16:35.00 | keldwud | but I also wanted to know in general, so that when I work with different environments, I could tailor my statements to use one or the other |
| 16:35.33 | keldwud | when you guys write a query, what do *you* use if you had to choose between IN or OR? |
| 16:35.49 | keldwud | and inversely, when do you use the other instead of your primary choice? |
| 16:35.58 | keldwud | also, am I overcomplicating it? |
| 16:36.13 | keldwud | I heard it is sometimes important to be able to learn how to optimize queries and such |
| 16:36.59 | keldwud | I guess I could have looked on stack overflow, I'm sorry for having asked here before googling :) |
| 16:37.04 | keldwud | s/could/should |
| 16:37.24 | errstr | i've found IN to be much faster than OR, plus it's faster to type in the cli AND it is easier to reason about when you are reading it in code |
| 16:37.27 | fungus | I use IN whenever possible. Simpler query, and better performance. |
| 16:37.39 | errstr | I only use OR when i have two values, even then I might use IN |
| 16:37.55 | unum | I usually just use or out of habbit |
| 16:38.04 | Migs | unum: Which campus? |
| 16:38.11 | unum | Migs: Murray |
| 16:38.13 | Migs | stevens-henager doesn't do any online classes, does it? |
| 16:38.15 | Migs | cool |
| 16:38.20 | unum | well it depends on teh size |
| 16:38.20 | keldwud | I've also heard this from a few different people: "If the optimizer is worth its salt they should perform the same." |
| 16:38.26 | unum | if there's two I use or |
| 16:38.40 | Migs | I'd like to teach an online class at some point here... |
| 16:38.46 | unum | or if I'm building the query in code I may use in because it's easier |
| 16:38.51 | Migs | but I don't want to do face-to-face. I don't like standing in front of people. |
| 16:38.58 | Migs | I'd rather web conference |
| 16:39.04 | keldwud | thanks for the feedback guys. it's nice to learn how to do this stuff *not* stuck in my own bubble. |
| 16:39.06 | Migs | web/video |
| 16:39.24 | unum | usually when I use in I'm doing a sub query |
| 16:39.41 | unum | I don't know if they do that from local campuses |
| 16:39.59 | unum | or if that's all done from some sort of head quarters |
| 16:40.11 | unum | they do directed study in the local offices |
| 16:40.18 | unum | where you could meet one on one |
| 16:40.33 | Migs | https://lh6.googleusercontent.com/-ujHBs0z8N1o/Ud11bBe4VhI/AAAAAAABxzY/zD-N1iU5eF0/w1240-h930-o/20130627_140600.jpg |
| 16:41.20 | keldwud | I wonder if it is a government that attacks freenode or fundies or just some disenfranchised 14 year old script kiddies |
| 16:42.14 | fadein | disenfranchiesd 14yro gov't crackers |
| 16:43.34 | keldwud | +1 |
| 16:45.41 | keldwud | people in #freenode are saying the services should be anycasted |
| 16:45.41 | keldwud | 09:39:08 +christel | unfortunately no, it would just provide them with yet another target i guess -- unfortunately these recent attacks have lost us a fair few longterm sponsors who were no longer able to justify the losses they experienced as a result of being hit |
| 16:45.55 | keldwud | losing longterm sponsors is not good news :( |
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| 16:54.22 | youtah | http://i.imgur.com/i2nWkm9.jpg well now, that's just embarressing. Who want's to tell the ROOMBA? |
| 16:54.28 | keldwud | shameless plug if you're interested in genealogy stuff: https://new.livestream.com/accounts/4419615/fireside710 |
| 16:54.34 | keldwud | starts in 8 minutes |
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| 17:15.46 | Migs | bahahaha |
| 17:15.57 | Migs | @ the roomba |
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| 18:04.39 | youtah | :-) Migs |
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| 18:35.52 | spangborn | yawns. |
| 18:36.04 | spangborn | I'm not looking forward to riding my bike in the heat again. |
| 18:39.55 | fungus | I am, it's fricken cold in my bldg. |
| 18:40.29 | fungus | have to wear a light jacket indoors. |
| 18:40.35 | spangborn | I'd rather have that. |
| 18:42.14 | spangborn | If I'm going to keep running iOS7 on this old iPhone 4, I'm definitely going to need to swap the home button for a new one. :/ |
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| 18:52.19 | jxqz | why do all job advertisements claim to come from 'fast-paced environment's |
| 18:53.10 | spangborn | Because all jobs being advertised are sweat shops? |
| 18:53.14 | jxqz | 'do you crave fast-paced meetings, lots of server fan noise, and facebookHQ style office space'? |
| 18:53.30 | spangborn | coughamazoncough |
| 18:56.10 | jxqz | 'our technical staff is committed to communicating in the latest tech lingo' |
| 18:56.51 | spangborn | Translation: Our technical staff isn't really technical, but a bunch of marketing goons trying to sound technical. |
| 18:56.59 | joshh | if they said do you want to work in a laid back, slow paced environment, they would only get people who want to play wow at work |
| 18:57.12 | spangborn | I wouldn't want to play WoW at work. |
| 18:57.26 | spangborn | I'd just want to sleep. |
| 18:57.38 | skrike | type softer. napping. |
| 18:57.41 | romanovic | Maybe there's an HR filter that makes sure all job ads have the requisite number of industry buzzwords before it can be released into the job market |
| 18:57.53 | joshh | play wow between naps |
| 18:57.59 | spangborn | Error: You need at least 3 more buzzwords. |
| 18:58.06 | joshh | then hurry and do your work at 4:45 |
| 18:58.12 | romanovic | yes. |
| 18:59.31 | romanovic | For example, you can only get high-performance developers when you use words like "Python Ninja" or "Rockstar Web Developer" |
| 18:59.41 | jxqz | haha |
| 18:59.50 | jxqz | yes |
| 18:59.57 | jxqz | that's so 2008 |
| 19:00.07 | romanovic | "Seeking a Rockstar 10x Ninja PHP Python Developer who wants to work in a fast-paced environment" |
| 19:00.15 | joshh | rockstar developer, must have 10+ years of PHP and html |
| 19:00.18 | skrike | black eyed peas references are so 2008 |
| 19:00.41 | spangborn | Does your code have that boom boom pow? |
| 19:00.50 | joshh | bro down and crush some code |
| 19:01.00 | skrike | my PSDs have that future swagger |
| 19:01.01 | spangborn | Do you want to write some code that has some lovely lady lumps? |
| 19:01.04 | jxqz | rockstar php python perl ruby coldfusion solaris oracle java ninja |
| 19:01.11 | spangborn | ew @ CF |
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| 19:01.25 | spangborn | Cold Fusion gives me the same response as Cystic Fibrosis. |
| 19:01.28 | spangborn | I hate it. |
| 19:02.02 | spangborn | youtah: On the note of CF, did I tell you that a bunch of Jesse Harding's sites have/had vulnerable ColdFusion installs? |
| 19:02.10 | skrike | I bought a cold fusion book once. |
| 19:02.19 | spangborn | skrike: For a monitor stand? |
| 19:02.21 | skrike | do not recommend |
| 19:02.38 | spangborn | 0/10 would not buy again |
| 19:02.44 | ezakimak | is NickServ down? |
| 19:02.49 | skrike | back in the day when I actually got paid to make working database driven websites in flash. |
| 19:02.58 | jxqz | jobs that advertises cf/java/c#/sqlserver/etc. --> 'Next' |
| 19:03.00 | spangborn | ezakimak: Looks like it. |
| 19:03.06 | skrike | ezakimak: according to serverops theyre under attack |
| 19:03.12 | jxqz | ezakimak: yes |
| 19:03.20 | jxqz | all of freenode is down |
| 19:03.22 | jxqz | no rules |
| 19:03.45 | ezakimak | sigh. hate getting kicked into python-unregistered. annoying. |
| 19:04.25 | spangborn | riots. |
| 19:04.38 | spangborn | jxqz: At least you don't get sent PLSQL jobs by recruiters. |
| 19:04.46 | spangborn | I have no idea how/why I get those. |
| 19:05.13 | spangborn | That reminds me, I need to remove MarkLogic from my resume. I will never work with that garbage again. |
| 19:05.21 | ezakimak | probably because recruiters don't understand acronym soup |
| 19:05.38 | spangborn | Acronym Koolaid is more their style. |
| 19:06.30 | spangborn | I wonder what my GVoice blocked numbers is up to. |
| 19:06.47 | spangborn | Basically, if I get a phone call and an e-mail from a recruiter simultaneously, they get blocked on both. |
| 19:06.52 | spangborn | Especially if they're from CyberCoders. |
| 19:08.08 | jxqz | what if a recruiter was savvy enough to infiltrate irc and PM's you? |
| 19:08.38 | spangborn | I'd probably ask him to buy me dinner before seducing me. |
| 19:08.47 | skrike | ./msg jxqz Funny you should mention that! How do you feel about adult entertainment? |
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| 19:09.10 | spangborn | I think he meant to type savvy, not sexy, skrike |
| 19:10.03 | skrike | doh. |
| 19:11.11 | unum | they moved the stip club that used to be by my work |
| 19:11.25 | spangborn | Good or bad thing, unum? |
| 19:12.03 | unum | well I was never able to convince them to have the company christmas party there, so I guess it's just as well |
| 19:14.04 | ezakimak | well, he has to travel farther for his 2nd job now |
| 19:17.02 | jxqz | 'If [buzzwords] make your heart flutter then [read on]. At [company] we expect [...] developers to first enjoy [...] business problems and second to amaze with the speed and usability of the [...] product.' |
| 19:17.15 | jxqz | actual job advertisement, edited for grammer and clarity |
| 19:17.20 | jxqz | grammer, seriously |
| 19:17.30 | spangborn | ~lart jxqz |
| 19:17.30 | infobot | whips out a shotgun, trudges over to jxqz, and goes postal |
| 19:18.17 | spangborn | Trudges. What a great word. |
| 19:18.51 | ezakimak | recalls "A Knights Tale" where it was used quite well |
| 19:18.51 | jxqz | 'Do you yearn for a trudging, fast-paced cubicle farm?' |
| 19:19.29 | spangborn | Do you year for a trudging, fast-paced cubicle farm on the level of Santa's elf sweatshop? |
| 19:19.56 | jxqz | dude, it's the yeti that actually make the toys |
| 19:20.10 | ezakimak | that explains why you never see them! |
| 19:23.15 | ldav15 | abominable amuements? |
| 19:23.49 | ldav15 | amusements |
| 19:23.51 | skrike | abdominal movements? |
| 19:24.00 | jxqz | https://www.xkcd.com/1235/ |
| 19:25.59 | jxqz | doesn't say anything about smallfoot |
| 19:27.53 | ldav15 | or podobromhidrosis |
| 20:01.25 | youtah | spangborn, I did not hear about Jesse's stuff. You tell him about them? skrike I too once owned a Cold Fusion book. lol |
| 20:01.54 | spangborn | youtah: Yeah. |
| 20:02.10 | spangborn | I let him know that it was vulnerable to the same security vuln as Linode had |
| 20:02.59 | spangborn | Er, that it was the same vulnerability. |
| 20:03.07 | spangborn | Not vulnerable to a vulnerability. Heh. |
| 20:03.21 | youtah | SIGGRAPH 2013 : Computer Animation Festival Preview Trailer http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qAGbcxiHZ9E |
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| 20:04.54 | spangborn | Haha. Nudists are complaining about being criminalized for taking their clothes off. (Slightly NSFW photo at the top) http://www.thelocal.fr/20130710/we-should-be-able-to-get-naked-anywhere-in-france |
| 20:05.07 | spangborn | So maybe they shouldn't take their clothes off? |
| 20:05.28 | skrike | dont tell me what to do spangborn! |
| 20:05.44 | spangborn | Hey guys, Skrike is French! |
| 20:06.02 | ezakimak | humans have become too prudish worldwide it would seem. |
| 20:07.24 | skrike | youtah: thats hot |
| 20:07.42 | youtah | ~nudists++ |
| 20:07.43 | youtah | lol |
| 20:07.52 | youtah | ~karma nudists |
| 20:07.52 | infobot | nudists has karma of 1 |
| 20:08.05 | youtah | isn't that a freaking awesome trailer skrike |
| 20:08.20 | skrike | youtah: yeah. cloud atlass++ |
| 20:08.32 | ezakimak | every other animal on the planet is free to go nude, yet people are scared to see another human... lame. |
| 20:09.19 | jxqz | well, humans are comparatively hairless as a mammal |
| 20:09.26 | ezakimak | point? |
| 20:09.30 | ezakimak | so are pigs |
| 20:09.36 | jxqz | it's an evolutionary disadvantage |
| 20:09.50 | youtah | I was going to say, I think it was more so an environmental defense |
| 20:09.54 | youtah | pigs just roll in mud |
| 20:10.00 | youtah | and taste delicious |
| 20:10.07 | ezakimak | elephants, hippos |
| 20:10.11 | spangborn | Well, I just blocked my first phone number on iOS 7. |
| 20:10.12 | spangborn | Heh. |
| 20:10.18 | youtah | ditto. Mud and dirt. |
| 20:10.24 | youtah | and also probably taste delicious |
| 20:10.33 | ezakimak | ok. whales and dolphins |
| 20:10.41 | jxqz | ezakimak: those seem to have much more tough skins |
| 20:10.43 | youtah | water, and also probably delicious |
| 20:10.53 | spangborn | Salt water and ocean soil |
| 20:11.16 | jxqz | I suppose if you lived your whole life naked, you'd be more adjusted |
| 20:11.28 | youtah | Ah, so that's why naked people in france roll around on the beaches naked |
| 20:11.29 | jxqz | there are indigenous people like that |
| 20:12.02 | jxqz | a random stark white person going around naked probably wouldn't do so well |
| 20:12.25 | youtah | (at least so I've been told. I've only been to Canada, Bahamas and New Jersey, outside of the US. |
| 20:12.27 | youtah | ) |
| 20:12.40 | youtah | Oh wait!!! I've been to Mexico once when I was 10 |
| 20:13.22 | ezakimak | heads to the gym |
| 20:13.29 | spangborn | http://www.liveleak.com/view?i=c85_1373364082 |
| 20:13.52 | jxqz | ~etymology gymnasium |
| 20:14.27 | skrike | we randomly found a nude beach while taking pictures of the coast in northern california. |
| 20:14.45 | spangborn | And you liked it. |
| 20:14.55 | skrike | most nudists arent people youd want to see nude |
| 20:15.02 | fungus | lol |
| 20:15.09 | joshh | skrike: that happened to me a few weekends ago |
| 20:16.22 | skrike | we didnt get super close. but close enough that we could see wrinkly old man ass |
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| 20:17.13 | spangborn | ~karma skrike |
| 20:17.13 | infobot | skrike has karma of 1 |
| 20:17.13 | manithree | NSFW, but it's not just the French demanding the right to nudity: http://gotopless.org/ |
| 20:17.13 | spangborn | ~skrike++ |
| 20:17.14 | joshh | why am i seeing dongs up here on the north end of the beach? check yelp later: "btw, this is a nude beach at the north end" |
| 20:17.54 | fungus | ~mentalfloss fungus |
| 20:17.59 | joshh | skrike: we walked past a volleyball game, it did actually have a couple women playing too |
| 20:18.00 | fungus | ~mentalfloss |
| 20:18.11 | spangborn | "Women" or women? |
| 20:18.21 | joshh | ? |
| 20:18.59 | spangborn | Actually, nvm. I don't want to explain the mess of thought that was going through my head |
| 20:19.10 | spangborn | It's too hot to be thinking properly |
| 20:19.33 | joshh | http://www.yelp.com/biz/gray-whale-cove-state-beach-montara |
| 20:20.12 | joshh | pretty nice beach actually, the nudity was just up at the far northern end, if i didn't walk the length of it i wouldn't ahve noticed |
| 20:20.21 | skrike | joshh: we were up near stinson beach |
| 20:20.34 | joshh | stinson beach isn't nude, but maybe one of the nearby ones is |
| 20:21.04 | spangborn | How do nudists feel about nevernudes? |
| 20:21.05 | skrike | yeah. we always stop at stinson to chill. but we stopped on the way in at a random place and hiked down the coast a bit to take picture and bam. |
| 20:21.14 | skrike | there are literally dozens of them. |
| 20:22.43 | joshh | montara and rodeo are my favorite beaches here, stinson is nice and big but a pita to get to, and dogs are banned on most of it |
| 20:23.18 | skrike | Ill have to check out montara next time we go. |
| 20:23.28 | joshh | have you been to half moon bay? |
| 20:23.32 | skrike | yeah stinson is out of the way, but its a nice drive. |
| 20:23.38 | skrike | yeah. I grew up in sacramento. |
| 20:23.46 | skrike | so Ive been up and down the coast a few times. |
| 20:23.54 | joshh | montara is between pacifica and half moon bay, just a bit past pacifica |
| 20:24.06 | joshh | that gray whale cove one is just barely past pacifica, right before montara |
| 20:25.44 | skrike | slightly nsfw? http://i.imgur.com/K8nbzXv.jpg |
| 20:26.10 | spangborn | I like frogs. |
| 20:26.14 | spangborn | OH WAIT THOSE ARE NAKED PEOPLE |
| 20:26.19 | youtah | I leave you guys alone for ONE MINUTE and look at the number of lines in this channel |
| 20:26.34 | skrike | said the coke head. |
| 20:26.34 | spangborn | youtah: It's because we talk about you in PM while you're gone. |
| 20:26.45 | spangborn | and #secretyoutah |
| 20:26.45 | skrike | ./msg spangborn dude... dont TELL him. |
| 20:26.54 | youtah | lol |
| 20:27.00 | spangborn | quickly makes that channel and sets it to +si |
| 20:27.08 | youtah | <PROTECTED> |
| 20:27.38 | spangborn | Water the garden, evidently. |
| 20:27.53 | skrike | <PROTECTED> |
| 20:28.11 | youtah | lol |
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| 21:30.25 | youtah | Anyone else have to re-identify? |
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| 21:48.09 | eightyeight | youtah: yeah. frenode is under ddos attack, and services had to be migrated |
| 21:48.22 | eightyeight | youtah: i suggest setting usermode '+w' to receive wallops from opers |
| 21:53.04 | jxqz | ~wallop |
| 21:53.04 | infobot | well, wallop is lart |
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| 21:54.54 | youtah | Aurora has been somewhat active over the last few days https://twitter.com/Aurora_Alerts |
| 21:55.04 | youtah | I saw the ddos message and bringing up a second db |
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| 22:08.05 | youtah | Google is retiring Google Latitude. |
| 22:13.12 | jxqz | what about google longitude? |
| 22:14.08 | jxqz | ~seen undertakingyou |
| 22:14.18 | infobot | undertakingyou <~undertaki@c-98-202-42-89.hsd1.ut.comcast.net> was last seen on IRC in channel #uphpu, 14d 1h 27m 11s ago, saying: 'carmony: ping'. |
| 22:14.18 | jxqz | ~seen undertakingme |
| 22:14.18 | infobot | jxqz: i haven't seen 'undertakingme' |
| 22:39.12 | Migs | what about Google Azimuth? |
| 22:46.52 | youtah | Alright, L8R folks. I am headed home. The Vet should be there in 1 hour to put our dog to sleep. |
| 22:47.01 | youtah | I bought her this, https://sphotos-b.xx.fbcdn.net/hphotos-ash3/581641_10201622291583326_948751379_n.jpg for her last meal |
| 22:48.43 | Migs | :( |
| 22:48.48 | Migs | Good luck |
| 22:58.06 | shalkie | Migs: Google Zenith? |
| 23:02.57 | keldwud | anybody going to element 11? |
| 23:03.03 | keldwud | other than me? |
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