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| 15:01.30 | Migs | http://the100meterscroll.com/ |
| 15:02.27 | eightyeight | yay! background music! |
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| 15:05.08 | eightyeight | 1994 called. they want their embedded music back |
| 15:06.25 | shalkie | eightyeight: No they don't. That is why then sent it forward in time... |
| 15:06.27 | shalkie | :-) |
| 15:06.37 | eightyeight | :) |
| 15:06.52 | shalkie | Good Morning! |
| 15:06.58 | eightyeight | morning |
| 15:10.29 | jalbretsen | I better reply so this can be the GL channel |
| 15:14.41 | eightyeight | ? |
| 15:14.46 | eightyeight | oh |
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| 15:45.45 | youtah | pashdown & Migs I am fairly certain, in order for one to have an excellent commercial, you will need: Bacon, Someone hilariously getting injured, a Puppy and an explosion. |
| 15:46.35 | youtah | is catching up on all the convos. The commercial comment stems back from ?Friday? |
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| 15:52.09 | unum | hmmm I'm not so much into laughing at people getting hurt, but I do love bacon |
| 15:52.26 | unum | kitten>puppy |
| 16:23.52 | Migs | I sure hope the puppy doesn't get injured |
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| 17:04.06 | youtah | unum you've got everything completely wrong... Pain = Humor and Dogs > Cats |
| 17:04.26 | youtah | well, except for the Bacon part, you got that part right.... |
| 17:04.28 | youtah | ;-) |
| 17:04.37 | youtah | Photo Monday is it? |
| 17:04.40 | youtah | https://www.facebook.com/photo.php?fbid=10151426443890060&set=a.10150841975405060.396574.166311805059&type=1&theater¬if_t=like |
| 17:06.55 | Migs | That is puppy-slappingly beautiful. |
| 17:07.08 | youtah | :-) |
| 17:09.16 | eightyeight | requires login |
| 17:09.29 | youtah | https://fbcdn-sphotos-b-a.akamaihd.net/hphotos-ak-prn2/964093_10151426443890060_112296136_o.jpg |
| 17:09.33 | youtah | there ya go eightyeight |
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| 17:09.49 | eightyeight | nice |
| 17:10.21 | youtah | gracias |
| 17:10.26 | youtah | I also caught a shooting star |
| 17:10.38 | Migs | pics or lies |
| 17:11.04 | youtah | There were 4 of us up there, and I was the only one who had their camera going when it happened. It was amazing, we all watched it break apart. It looked just like a firework |
| 17:11.34 | youtah | and it lasted probably a full second. We were actually hoping we would have heard a "boom" like in russia. It was magnificent |
| 17:11.46 | youtah | and my picture, it's just a big long white super bright line. |
| 17:13.38 | youtah | I haven't gotten to that one yet. It was over-exposed and will take some lightroom trickery to bring it down without it looking like garbage |
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| 19:02.08 | youtah | http://imgur.com/gallery/qjbtwIz |
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| 20:19.55 | Q_Continuum | How are those pebbles working? |
| 20:20.12 | Q_Continuum | And is there a more-open clone coming? How about version 2? |
| 20:21.52 | youtah | no idea |
| 20:21.57 | youtah | Mine is working just fine |
| 20:22.13 | jlp_work | pebble is working like a champ |
| 20:22.18 | youtah | I was even jumping off the Olympic Platforms with it into the water |
| 20:22.20 | youtah | no problems |
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| 20:45.49 | youtah | and it's a warm wind |
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| 21:00.19 | spangborn | sihs. |
| 21:00.21 | spangborn | sighs* |
| 21:09.14 | Migs | http://2damnfunny.com/wp-content/uploads/2012/12/Onions-Will-Always-Make-You-Cry.png |
| 21:14.23 | keldwud | hmm, maybe I should hold off on the onion joke that I have |
| 21:25.19 | d3c4f | wtf is up with the PLUG mailing list today. Seriously. :( |
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| 21:27.11 | rsimpkins | d3c4f: I asked a question, and then someone said "God." |
| 21:27.17 | rsimpkins | That was the end. |
| 21:27.27 | d3c4f | :S |
| 21:27.40 | d3c4f | about ready to unsubscribe from this madness |
| 21:27.46 | rsimpkins | Just filter it out. |
| 21:28.05 | d3c4f | at this point a good old Winders vs Mac vs Linux argument would be welcome |
| 21:28.06 | rsimpkins | You can write a simple procmail to skip messages based on a subject, etc. |
| 21:28.45 | unum | plug(1590) I'm a little bit behind on the list... |
| 21:28.58 | jlp_work | d3c4f: don't forget FreeBSD!!! |
| 21:29.06 | rsimpkins | d3c4f: A good debate every now and then is great. But religious debate is _never ending_. I don't know why that guy went there. |
| 21:29.19 | d3c4f | lol. :P |
| 21:29.30 | d3c4f | no kidding, needs to be moved to reddit or something |
| 21:29.45 | d3c4f | PLUG seams like the last place that conv. it appropriate |
| 21:29.59 | d3c4f | hehehe jlp_work |
| 21:30.04 | spangborn | This is precisely why I avoid mailing lists. |
| 21:30.11 | unum | Doctrine Questions on the php list are ok :) |
| 21:30.12 | rsimpkins | These things usually work down to 2 or 3 ppl arguing about it - and then we can ask them to move it to a private convo. If 5 or more people are still engaged, I think it is good to let them hash it out in public. |
| 21:30.16 | spangborn | There's enough garbage on other discussion forums. |
| 21:30.40 | d3c4f | plug is usually pretty good, I like following a lot of the mailing list, today has just been crazy though :S |
| 21:31.21 | rsimpkins | d3c4f: We set up an announce list just for ppl who don't like the flame wars. |
| 21:31.42 | rsimpkins | d3c4f: However, i would suggest you keep involved and jump in to the debate. |
| 21:31.42 | rsimpkins | It is important. |
| 21:31.54 | d3c4f | I love the flame wars. >:D (just not the ones that have nothing to do with the mailing list) |
| 21:32.17 | rsimpkins | d3c4f: PLUG has a very broad reach in terms of what is "on topic" - has been that way for many years. |
| 21:32.38 | d3c4f | meh. I probably should just change my subscription to daily |
| 21:32.49 | rsimpkins | It is funny that the religous debate sounds exactly like a "languages" debate or an "editor" debate. |
| 21:32.58 | d3c4f | right? :S |
| 21:33.48 | rsimpkins | In terms of relevence to the group, though, I honestly can't think of anything more important that a bunch of geeks should be discussing. |
| 21:34.11 | rsimpkins | It is pretty dawg-on important. |
| 21:34.56 | unum | schneier openly advocates that anyone who gets a job at that date center should leak information about what they are doing |
| 21:38.26 | Q_Continuum | ...and after this they're going to be screening even MORE for anyone for those roles. |
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| 21:41.03 | d3c4f | I have friends working at that datacenter |
| 21:41.07 | d3c4f | or that were supposed to be |
| 21:41.17 | d3c4f | they won't tell me anything. :( |
| 21:41.20 | fadein | d3c4f: are you so sure they are your friends? |
| 21:41.28 | d3c4f | I guess they have to sign some pretty crazy NDAs / etc |
| 21:41.36 | Q_Continuum | Also anyone who brings up "Constitutional Issues" will be watched like a hawk and (likely) intercepted before leaving the country. |
| 21:41.46 | d3c4f | yeah, I'v known them since Elementary School |
| 21:41.47 | rsimpkins | d3c4f: Yeah, it is called the "don't talk or go to jail for ever" document. |
| 21:41.52 | Q_Continuum | ^ |
| 21:41.57 | d3c4f | yeah :( |
| 21:42.54 | fadein | Q_Continuum: only traitors and rebels would raise "Constitutional Issues" -- King George III |
| 21:43.18 | rsimpkins | I have a hard time standing up with any kind of moral foundation on this one. My company trackes over 18 billion "transactions" a day. Your data is in there. Mine. Most of the worlds, actually. |
| 21:43.19 | Q_Continuum | True, they were probably already on the "special" watchlist if they said anything anyway. |
| 21:44.06 | rsimpkins | We make the NSA program look like a sunday drive. |
| 21:44.12 | fadein | the silver lining in all of this, though, is that there is a backup of all of my Google mails |
| 21:44.19 | Q_Continuum | has no idea who rsimpkins works for |
| 21:44.35 | rsimpkins | Q_Continuum: I work for Adobe in the old Omniture division. |
| 21:44.49 | Q_Continuum | Ah. |
| 21:45.04 | rsimpkins | 40 PB of data and growing. |
| 21:45.24 | rsimpkins | My guess is that we are WAY better at this task than the NSA is - based on the leaked slides. |
| 21:45.40 | rsimpkins | Honestly, they should just buy our tools. We'd propel them forward by a decade. |
| 21:45.51 | Q_Continuum | Or the slides are a gross generalization. |
| 21:45.59 | Q_Continuum | has no clue; hasn't looked at any of it yet |
| 21:46.39 | rsimpkins | They have a screen cap of their analytics visualizer. We have two. Both of them make that thing look old and busted. |
| 21:47.28 | Q_Continuum | Ah. |
| 21:47.38 | Q_Continuum | Yeah, its entirely possible they're way behind in some aspects. |
| 21:47.49 | Q_Continuum | Then again, they also have their own chip-fab. |
| 21:48.01 | rsimpkins | The analytics world is something we get. Only the data you analize changes. The approch and tools can be the same. |
| 21:48.53 | rsimpkins | The basic questions you go about asking to sift meaningful human behavior from terabytes of data are similar. |
| 21:49.05 | rsimpkins | Disney is better at this job than the NSA. Apple does it well too. |
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| 21:49.45 | rsimpkins | It isn't a surprise, however, that the NSA is so far behind the curve. What is concerning - and why we should worry - is that they WILL catch up. |
| 21:50.49 | rsimpkins | Imagine getting a visit from the FBI because there was a database error, and your address got linked to the wrong records. :) |
| 21:50.53 | Q_Continuum | Yeah. But replacing that internal tool that probably has some serious security/compartmentalization requirements that would make their needs somewhat 'custom' - and the fact that they don't want folks knowing what they're doing probably means a lot of home-developed stuff anyway. |
| 21:51.13 | Q_Continuum | rsimpkins: Already happens; see: No-Knock Warrants. |
| 21:51.20 | Q_Continuum | Except folks die from those screwups. |
| 21:51.21 | rsimpkins | Q_Continuum: To a point - but our customers have the exact same concerns. |
| 21:52.11 | Q_Continuum | Yeah |
| 21:52.45 | rsimpkins | My point is simply - this is only going to get worse. It isn't going to go away, and it isn't going to become less effective. |
| 21:52.54 | Q_Continuum | Yup. :-( |
| 21:53.19 | Q_Continuum | How many companies (like yours) are probably looking at those slides and drooling at the sales opportunity? |
| 21:53.53 | rsimpkins | Already being exploited. Targetted ads FTW! |
| 21:54.03 | Q_Continuum | lol |
| 21:54.30 | rsimpkins | If you look up divorce lawyers one night, we'll be sure to show ads to your wife for divorce services next time she uses the computer. |
| 21:54.34 | rsimpkins | True story. |
| 21:55.26 | Q_Continuum | Heh. That bite someone? |
| 21:55.51 | rsimpkins | Maybe... :) |
| 21:56.35 | Q_Continuum | Note to self: SOs get their own machines, with their own profiles. ;-P |
| 21:58.38 | unum | I think the thing that worries me most is that I don't know anyone getting FBI visits, what are they REALLY doing with that information |
| 21:58.49 | unum | they don't charge any one openly with the information they gather |
| 21:59.16 | unum | also didn't I link the story about a father finding out his daughter is pregnant from targetted Target advertising? |
| 21:59.23 | Q_Continuum | I remember that. |
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| 22:04.22 | unum | pretty much every arrest you see of someone for "planning a terrorist act" was someone who was approached by the FBI because of their involvment with a specific group and asked if they would be willing to blow stuff up |
| 22:05.06 | Q_Continuum | Those ones are highly questionable. They go find someone who is slightly annoyed/angry, and feed them til they get really pissed then offer them a "plan". |
| 22:05.15 | Q_Continuum | Its like they're justifying their own existence. |
| 22:10.36 | youtah | So, yeah... this is freaking cool http://www.highcharts.com/demo/area-missing/gray |
| 22:14.13 | youtah | Anyone near the SLC Library right now? |
| 22:14.22 | spangborn | Gateway. |
| 22:14.24 | spangborn | ;p |
| 22:14.26 | youtah | Apparently there is a guy threatening to Jump |
| 22:14.42 | spangborn | pashdown probably is close. |
| 22:14.53 | youtah | https://twitter.com/sltrib/status/344214485797584897 |
| 22:14.53 | spangborn | Twitter: @sltrib: Getting word of a suicide jumper at the SLC library. If you're planning to go over there, might want to reconsider. |
| 22:15.41 | pashdown | At the U |
| 22:16.09 | youtah | It's a good place to be |
| 22:16.54 | youtah | Good Crap Google |
| 22:17.02 | youtah | this new map is so unusable |
| 22:17.22 | spangborn | Exactly why I didn't sign up for the beta ;p |
| 22:17.46 | youtah | I keep clicking the "back to classic" |
| 22:18.25 | youtah | The only freaking web cam that shows up on Google Maps is KUTV's? |
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| 22:30.35 | youtah | spangborn please read this tweet for me.... |
| 22:30.36 | youtah | https://twitter.com/politicalmath/status/344218632039043072 |
| 22:30.37 | spangborn | Twitter: @politicalmath: In 2006, Dems were 61% against NSA snooping. In 2013, they are 64% for it. http://t.co/ytZjHW8evB |
| 22:31.03 | spangborn | I'm still 100% against it |
| 22:31.07 | spangborn | ;p |
| 22:31.33 | youtah | It's sad how partisan the country has become |
| 22:36.47 | fadein | youtah: it's sad how afraid of terrorism the country has become |
| 22:37.13 | unum | spangborn: ya I've noticed how much that switches everytime the white house changes hands, that switches |
| 22:37.37 | unum | hmm apparantly I do have postfix set to use encryption when avaliable |
| 22:37.38 | spangborn | Eh, I've always been against it regardless. |
| 22:37.47 | spangborn | That's coming from someone who's usually left leaning, too. |
| 22:37.49 | spangborn | I'm not pleased. |
| 22:37.59 | youtah | it really shows how partisan it's become. |
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| 22:38.43 | spangborn | I'd be interested to see what percentage of Dems in Congress want to extradite Snowden. |
| 22:38.58 | youtah | rumors are that China wont extradite him |
| 22:39.00 | spangborn | I read somewhere that like 80% of Republicans wanted to - but I'm not sure where that came from |
| 22:39.05 | youtah | because they believe in the freedom of press |
| 22:39.09 | spangborn | Iceland's already offered him asylum, too |
| 22:39.31 | joshh | both parties are going to feign outrage over the program, and maybe even outrage over the prosecution |
| 22:39.39 | joshh | few dems or reps will come out and defend it |
| 22:39.58 | youtah | CNN was just saying that several GOP senators are supporting it |
| 22:39.59 | joshh | but they won't actually do a whole lot to protect snowden either |
| 22:40.01 | spangborn | Of course - they want to remain quiet so they can be re-elected |
| 22:40.30 | joshh | this whole thing will blow over soon anyway though |
| 22:40.38 | joshh | snowden didn't even really hurt the government that much in the end |
| 22:40.54 | spangborn | Sadly, that's true |
| 22:41.18 | joshh | people will just remember to use encryption a bit more since spying isn't just a hunch anymore |
| 22:42.08 | youtah | http://holykaw.alltop.com/tsa-tries-to-confiscate-chewbaccas-light-saber-cane?tu2=1 |
| 22:46.00 | youtah | Lightning possible tonight spangborn |
| 22:46.21 | spangborn | Ooooh. |
| 22:46.39 | youtah | several bolts recently from Reno to the Oregon border moving this direction |
| 22:46.48 | spangborn | ETA? |
| 22:47.00 | youtah | https://fbcdn-sphotos-h-a.akamaihd.net/hphotos-ak-prn1/996170_4866792958812_1040946320_n.jpg |
| 22:47.06 | youtah | No idea what the ETA would be |
| 22:47.38 | spangborn | I'm going home to get on the road bike. |
| 22:47.46 | spangborn | Assuming I don't get struck by lightning. |
| 22:48.07 | youtah | My guess is probably 6~18 hours out |
| 22:48.26 | spangborn | I guess I could be not lazy and look at Dark Sky |
| 22:49.45 | youtah | yeah, KSL's thingy is saying about 6am tomorrow |
| 22:49.46 | youtah | Poo |
| 22:50.27 | youtah | no rain though |
| 22:50.50 | spangborn | Bummer. |
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