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| 17:59.37 | Gate | http://www.washingtonpost.com/world/national-security/verizon-providing-all-call-records-to-us-under-court-order/2013/06/05/98656606-ce47-11e2-8845-d970ccb04497_story.html |
| 18:01.24 | shalkie | Yeah, wired has a piece on it as well: http://www.wired.com/threatlevel/2013/06/nsa-verizon-call-records/ |
| 18:01.46 | kylie_ | "...metadata, such as a telephone number or the length of a call.” The official said such information “has been a critical tool in protecting the nation from terrorist threats to the United States.”" |
| 18:02.06 | kylie_ | Everything about anything related to this feels so... |
| 18:02.10 | kylie_ | Secretive? |
| 18:02.23 | kylie_ | Nebulous? |
| 18:02.25 | shalkie | I would have gone with dirty, but sure. |
| 18:02.27 | shalkie | shrugs |
| 18:02.27 | Migs | "House intel chairman says domestic terror attack thwarted because of phone records collection." |
| 18:02.40 | Migs | good thing they're collecting these records |
| 18:03.12 | shalkie | And really, what are you doing that you shouldn't be doing if you feel the need to hide it from others. Right? |
| 18:03.49 | kylie_ | Is that sarcasm? |
| 18:04.14 | shalkie | Sorry, forgot the sarcasm tags. |
| 18:04.28 | shalkie | <sarcasm>And really, what are you doing that you shouldn't be doing if you feel the need to hide it from others. Right?</sarcasm> |
| 18:05.19 | Migs | uh |
| 18:05.34 | shalkie | How does this happen anyways? The liberals seem to hate it. The conservatives seem to shriek about it. |
| 18:05.34 | Migs | lives have been saved because they're doing it. Why on earth would I be sarcastic about that? |
| 18:05.39 | nrub | EFF article on the same topic: https://www.eff.org/deeplinks/2013/06/confirmed-nsa-spying-millions-americans |
| 18:05.50 | Migs | It happens because Obama doesn't care what anyone thinks. No surprise there. |
| 18:06.28 | Migs | In my opinion, it's worth it to wiretap every single house and business in America, if it saves the life of one innocent person. |
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| 18:10.42 | nrub | The needs of the many, outweigh the... wait that doesn't quite apply there |
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| 18:18.27 | Migs | http://www.timeslive.co.za/world/2013/05/30/australian-man-claims-he-is-jesus-christ-reincarnated-garners-followers |
| 18:18.39 | Migs | "Miller claims that not only is he Christ, but his partner, Australian Mary Luck, is in fact Magdalene, " |
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| 18:52.50 | youtah | Dang |
| 18:53.03 | youtah | Just seeing all of the links |
| 18:53.15 | youtah | I've been with Verizon for like the last 11 years! |
| 18:53.36 | youtah | Even though there is nothing to hide, it's still, it feels like my trust has been broken |
| 18:53.46 | rsimpkins | Bacon. |
| 18:53.59 | youtah | Thank you rsimpkins, I'm feel better now. |
| 18:54.03 | youtah | lol |
| 18:54.24 | rsimpkins | We all kinda new the NSA did this. And does more. |
| 18:54.32 | youtah | true |
| 18:54.55 | rsimpkins | So I kind of feel we are just pretending to be shocked, just for effect. :) |
| 18:55.15 | youtah | I think it's just the confirmation and acknowledgement that hurts? |
| 18:55.25 | youtah | or is shocking? |
| 18:56.13 | rsimpkins | Maybe it is one of those things you just don't want to be reminded of. Like war is actually about killing people, and people dying. |
| 18:56.25 | rsimpkins | We know that, but we sure as sauce don't want to be REMINDED of it. |
| 18:57.09 | rsimpkins | I don't want to see a picture of a soldier getting taken out by a sniper. Even though I know that happens, and it is because we asked that soldier to risk his life. |
| 18:58.11 | rsimpkins | Many of my relations don't want to hear about the news. They know bad things happen, they just don't want to be reminded of it becasue then they start feeling bad. |
| 18:58.40 | rsimpkins | And who wants to feel bad? Which is why I am starting an international bacon day. |
| 18:59.04 | rsimpkins | http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/International_Bacon_Day |
| 19:27.57 | fozzmoo | The NSA isn't building a gargantuan multi-petabyte data center in Bluffdale to store recipes and cat videos. |
| 19:28.31 | ldav15 | I'm sure that's part of it. |
| 19:28.50 | ldav15 | When you suck down the Internet, things like that happen. |
| 19:29.52 | fadein | youtah: "I've Got Nothing to Hide" and Other Misunderstandings of Privacy: https://papers.ssrn.com/sol3/papers.cfm?abstract_id=998565 |
| 19:31.06 | shalkie | There happens to be something really lovely about the thought that the NSA would build a data center for storing recipes and cat videos. A kinder gentler NSA. |
| 19:31.15 | shalkie | feels snuggly warm now. |
| 19:31.20 | ldav15 | lol |
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| 19:36.59 | youtah | LOL shalkie |
| 19:37.28 | youtah | good points rsimpkins |
| 19:39.15 | youtah | I'll have to read that later fadein |
| 19:39.35 | youtah | looks interesting |
| 19:43.20 | eightyeight | <PROTECTED> |
| 19:44.30 | youtah | http://i.imgur.com/3v10wDa.gif << How I feel sometimes.... |
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| 19:45.53 | shalkie | youtah: That just feels like San Francisco. |
| 19:51.51 | youtah | Ha! Yeah right |
| 19:52.06 | youtah | Like people in San Francisco know how to multi task.... |
| 19:52.09 | youtah | Pffft! |
| 19:52.10 | youtah | ;-) |
| 19:53.16 | harleypig | gah ... yum check-update gives yumrepo error: all mirror urls are not using ftp, http[s] or file ... cannot find valid baseurl for base. But when I download the mirrorlist.txt file and put it /var/cache/yum/base/mirrorlist.txt the error moves on to the next repo. What's up with yum? |
| 19:54.36 | youtah | Ha ha ha ha! yum |
| 19:54.49 | youtah | oh wait... I just yum'd yesterday |
| 19:57.21 | Migs | http://www.wannalol.com/PostImages/85168-download.jpg |
| 19:57.44 | youtah | SFW? |
| 19:57.46 | youtah | ;-) |
| 19:58.09 | Migs | sfw |
| 19:58.40 | youtah | LOL |
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| 20:51.32 | unum | so can anyone share with me information geo ip databases |
| 21:02.47 | Gate | unum: ambiguous sentence. Do you want access to a database of geoip information, or information about geoip databases? |
| 21:05.16 | unum | acces to one |
| 21:05.28 | unum | oops I missed some words |
| 21:05.35 | unum | I want to know to get access |
| 21:05.41 | unum | how to get access |
| 21:05.44 | unum | man I'm having a hard time |
| 21:05.49 | unum | vendors, prices, etc |
| 21:06.15 | Jayce^ | maxmind |
| 21:07.24 | Gate | unum: in the past I have used Geokit (a ruby gem) which pulls information hostzip.info it would seem |
| 21:10.02 | unum | thanks for the info |
| 21:10.56 | Gate | Hm, I just fed it a few IPs and all it gave me was the country |
| 21:11.27 | Gate | too bad. Honestly I used it more for address => GPS coords when I used it |
| 21:11.36 | Gate | Ip was the last fallback |
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| 21:12.20 | Gate | gah, not hostzip, hostip.info |
| 21:12.32 | Gate | http://www.hostip.info/ |
| 21:12.36 | Gate | stupid typos |
| 21:17.23 | Migs | http://gawker.com/texas-says-its-ok-to-shoot-an-escort-if-she-wont-have-511636423 |
| 21:20.08 | Q_Continuum | Its gawker, I'm not clicking that link. They're sensationalist jerkwads. |
| 21:22.12 | Migs | quote: A jury in Bexar County, Texas just acquitted Ezekiel Gilbert of charges that he murdered a 23-year-old Craigslist escortagreeing that because he was attempting to retrieve the $150 he'd paid to Lenora Ivie Frago, who wouldn't have sex with him, his actions were justified. |
| 21:23.15 | shalkie | I am guessing they viewed it as a theft. |
| 21:24.06 | shalkie | But that article is a very brief overview. |
| 21:24.31 | shalkie | qoute: Texas law allows people "to use deadly force to recover property during a nighttime theft." |
| 21:25.22 | shalkie | s/oute/uote/ |
| 21:25.30 | shalkie | No.. wait... |
| 21:25.43 | shalkie | kill -HUP spelling |
| 21:26.10 | shalkie | Okay, migs is obviously better at spelling then me atm. |
| 21:28.18 | scottj | why only during nighttime? |
| 21:30.50 | Migs | My spelling is actually flawless, so it's not just an "atm" thing. |
| 21:34.00 | shalkie | meh. |
| 21:34.23 | shalkie | scottj: Maybe they expect you to have better aim during the day? |
| 21:40.32 | scottj | shalkie: but what are you supposed to aim at that wouldn't be considered lethal force? I think shotting in the leg and such is still considered lethal force because who knows, they still mgiht die from that. and if you're only allowed to shoot warning shots then those lose their credibility if the criminal knows you're not allowed to actually shot him/her.. |
| 21:45.39 | Migs | they canceled the Rindfleischetikettierungsuberwachungsaufgabenubertragungsgesetz |
| 21:45.43 | Migs | http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/worldnews/europe/germany/10095976/Germany-drops-its-longest-word-Rindfleischeti....html |
| 21:48.57 | youtah | scottj, I believe you are correct sir. |
| 21:49.20 | youtah | (regarding the first sentence) |
| 21:50.42 | youtah | http://sphotos-h.ak.fbcdn.net/hphotos-ak-prn1/943703_478536072220772_510967236_n.jpg |
| 21:50.50 | youtah | via Jayce^ |
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| 21:56.54 | Gate | Firing a gun at someone is lethal force. Period. Doesn't matter where you aim. |
| 21:57.48 | youtah | That's how I understand it |
| 21:58.18 | youtah | at the last three CFP courses I listened in on, they all taught, you don't shoot to kill, you shoot to stop the attack. |
| 21:58.32 | youtah | or |
| 21:58.56 | youtah | you use the necessary force to stop the attack |
| 22:02.37 | Gate | Once you have made the decision that deadly force is required, *apply it.* Shooting to mame only keeps yourself in risk. |
| 22:02.48 | scottj | when is it appropriate to shoot warning shots? is it ever appropriate? |
| 22:02.53 | Gate | Not to mention hitting limbs is significantly more difficult |
| 22:02.58 | Gate | scottj: no. |
| 22:03.46 | Gate | scottj: shooting warning shots unneccecarily endangers bystanders. Either force is justified and you shoot the assailant, or it isn't and you shouldn't have your gun out. |
| 22:04.13 | scottj | so the farmers in movies who shoot shotgun into the air from their deck shouldn't? |
| 22:04.26 | Gate | scottj: no, they shouldn't. |
| 22:04.39 | Gate | A bullet fired from a gun into the air can come down with sufficient force to kill. |
| 22:05.25 | Gate | Oh, and my last statment, it is reasonable to have your gun out and aimed at the assailant and give him an order. |
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| 22:06.30 | Gate | or at low ready and give an order..... But warning shots are a no-no. |
| 22:09.12 | scottj | what about shooting when you can't see your target? is that ever appropriate? |
| 22:09.20 | fadein | http://www.forbes.com/sites/joemckendrick/2013/03/24/10-quotes-on-cloud-computing-that-really-say-it-all/ |
| 22:09.45 | fadein | best read with a "my butt" browser plugin |
| 22:11.08 | fadein | actually, you only need to read the first two quotes |
| 22:13.54 | jxqz | Dave Barry says that if you wish to discharge your weapon to celebrate an event, eg nightfall, you should aim it into your yard instead |
| 22:15.42 | unum | I really think the whole movie cliche, I'll point my gun at you and you will do what ever I want, is really unfortunate |
| 22:16.06 | unum | I'd be interested in seeing how often that really works in real life |
| 22:16.28 | unum | in any circumstance where it legal to point your gun at someone it is legal AND MUCH SAFER to shoot them |
| 22:18.40 | unum | I like #6 |
| 22:20.02 | unum | at a recent conference one of my companies competitiors bragged about how they didn't need anyone like me because they're all in the cloud |
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