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| 02:56.30 | harleypig | Did something happen near Eagle Mountain a short while ago? |
| 02:56.43 | harleypig | I'm seeing posts on facebook about a loud noise. |
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| 03:33.20 | harleypig | Gah ... stoopid posix ... whats wrong with using \b in a regex?! It's a lot easier to remember than [^[:alnum:]] ... |
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| 04:41.35 | bonez2046 | anyone run mountain lion on macbook, and having printing to hp printer working? |
| 04:41.47 | Q_Continuum | Email title: #myouyaiscoming |
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| 11:54.15 | klys | ~slashdot |
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| 15:12.57 | d3c4f_home | Intro to electronics class this Saturday in Orem for those interested (sorry for the short notice): http://thetransistor.com/ai1ec_event/tims-super-basic-intro-to-electronics-class/?instance_id=13655483 |
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| 16:42.33 | youtah | Thanks d3c4f_home |
| 16:42.45 | youtah | actually sounds like fun |
| 16:43.03 | d3c4f_home | Should be good. Tim is a fun guy |
| 16:43.27 | d3c4f_home | Also, I think he is planning on building a series off of this class |
| 16:43.29 | youtah | and that $15 kit has everything you'd need, except the multimeter? |
| 16:43.44 | youtah | is quickly scanning the page |
| 16:44.09 | d3c4f_home | I think so. I'm not sure though. You can always bug kiyoshigawa (Tim) over in #utahmakers |
| 16:44.11 | youtah | nm, just saw it |
| 16:44.23 | youtah | Perfect, thanks! |
| 16:45.09 | youtah | Oh Shoot!!! I have a family portrait session booked Saturday from 7-9. |
| 16:45.58 | Yorokobi | Any of you guys going to Splunk Live! in SLC? http://live.splunk.com/saltlakecity |
| 16:47.46 | youtah | I'm just going to leave this one here: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sa9KcZ_EWwY |
| 16:50.04 | youtah | don't ask me where I find these |
| 16:50.10 | youtah | ot get them |
| 16:50.15 | youtah | s/ot/or/ |
| 16:50.22 | Yorokobi | Can we ask why you find them? |
| 16:50.54 | youtah | Yes |
| 16:51.06 | youtah | I don't choose to find them, they find me. |
| 16:51.14 | youtah | so it's kind of beyond my control. |
| 16:51.17 | youtah | ;-) |
| 16:57.40 | d3c4f_home | wth? lol |
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| 17:01.44 | youtah | lol |
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| 17:02.01 | youtah | Finally got around to posting my lightning shot from 2010 onto SmugMug http://www.jeffmcgrathphotography.com/Art/views-vistas/28608774_h6Sfrx#!i=2543637437&k=Tx7RgkL&lb=1&s=A |
| 17:04.23 | youtah | Apparently there was a data breach at the Utah DMV |
| 17:04.50 | youtah | http://fox13now.com/2013/05/29/authorities-investigate-personal-info-data-breach-at-dmv/ |
| 17:11.52 | Migs | "sparked a wider probe into data security at one of the states most busy agencies." |
| 17:11.54 | Migs | most busy? |
| 17:12.20 | youtah | LOL |
| 17:13.08 | Migs | that is one retardedly awesome lightning pic |
| 17:14.22 | youtah | lol... um... I'll take that as a compliment |
| 17:14.49 | youtah | I've been chasing storms/lightning for about 4 years now, and that's still my best shot. |
| 17:15.01 | youtah | It's so bloody difficult to be in the right place at the right time when it comes to lightning |
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| 17:29.42 | eightyeight | if you knew the origins of the term 'bloody', i don't think you'd use it anymore |
| 17:30.17 | Yorokobi | Enlighten us, good sir. |
| 17:36.21 | levi | It doesn't seem that there's a consensus on the real origin of 'bloody' as a profanity. |
| 17:38.13 | eightyeight | i've heard a couple origins of the term: |
| 17:38.30 | eightyeight | 1) sacrilige to the virgin mary |
| 17:38.43 | eightyeight | 2) sacrilige to jesus |
| 17:39.26 | levi | The leading theories appear to be a sacreligious invocation of the Virgin Mary (i.e. a corruption of "by'r Lady" which can be found in Shakespeare's works among other contemporaries), a reference to the destruction caused by the nobility during the War of the Roses (blood here referring to noble blood), or simply a reference to blood, perhaps specifically the blood of Jesus on the cross. |
| 17:40.11 | levi | Perhaps also related to the Dutch 'bloote' which means "entire, complete, pure, naked" |
| 17:40.24 | eightyeight | yeah. looking up wikipedia now |
| 17:40.58 | joshh | i would think that only a small minority considers it actual profanity |
| 17:41.24 | levi | Apparently it was considered extremely profane in the UK at one time, but mildly profane and very commonly used in Australia. |
| 17:41.46 | levi | And uncommon in the US except when trying to sound British. |
| 17:42.07 | joshh | profane/vulgar british people can be pretty spectacular to listen to, they make us seem so mild |
| 17:42.38 | eightyeight | joshh: i also find that to be the case with politics |
| 17:43.00 | eightyeight | their political verbal arguments are freaking awesome |
| 17:43.01 | eightyeight | heh |
| 17:43.13 | joshh | ya |
| 17:46.34 | harleypig_ | youtah, that's an amazing lightning shot |
| 17:47.05 | Gate | I was under the impression it was a reference to menstration. |
| 17:47.43 | levi | In reality, most things considered "vulgar" are primarily historical accidents stemming from class conflict. |
| 17:48.26 | levi | "vulgar" is after all based on the Latin root for "common". |
| 17:49.29 | levi | You can't speak like the commoners in high society. Especially if you are a conquering nobility with a different language. |
| 17:50.30 | romanovic | haha. All profanity is considered mild in Australia |
| 17:52.28 | scottj | Gate: that was my guess, based on Steven Pinker's Language of Swearing http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1BcdY_wSklo&t=7m30s |
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| 18:17.09 | shalkie | I tend to associate the term with a visualization of a bloody battle. Could be 'cause I think of "bloody hell" and "bloody nightmare". |
| 18:29.47 | youtah | eightyeight it doesn't count because I'm not in the UK. That's how it works, right? |
| 18:30.04 | youtah | Curse words become invalid the second you cross a border into another land, right? |
| 18:30.13 | eightyeight | are you christian? |
| 18:31.25 | Yorokobi | Damn right |
| 18:31.33 | youtah | <joshh> profane/vulgar british people can be pretty spectacular to listen to, they make us seem so mild << lol |
| 18:31.49 | youtah | Gracias harleypig! |
| 18:32.21 | eightyeight | most christians, who aren't aware of the origins of the term 'bloody', stop using it after learning it. *shrug* |
| 18:32.30 | eightyeight | ymmv |
| 18:32.36 | youtah | <Gate> I was under the impression it was a reference to menstration. << Just asked my friend from Ireland. This was his understanding too. |
| 18:33.34 | youtah | (sorry, just catching up on everything I missed, while eating a superbly delicious meal) |
| 18:37.42 | youtah | He also said that the general usage tends to be a replacement for the F-word |
| 18:37.45 | youtah | Interesting |
| 18:37.52 | levi | I think the association of 'Bloody' with Christian blasphemy was probably invented after the fact. |
| 18:38.07 | kylie_ | I think that people in history would just walk out of their doors and some days mutter to themselves "Aye, what a bloody hell carnage this is! Indoors for me today.." |
| 18:38.10 | youtah | So they use it as a verb, noun, adjective, etc |
| 18:38.14 | kylie_ | Profanity isn't a huge deal in UK. |
| 18:38.34 | kylie_ | People don't get offended, and if they do, it's like meeting someone here that would get offended by the use of a t-shirt |
| 18:40.38 | youtah | lol, only on IRC would we discuss the etymology of curse words |
| 18:41.15 | kylie_ | Forget that |
| 18:41.23 | kylie_ | I want to know why they confuse potato chips with "crisps" |
| 18:41.24 | levi | We discussed the etymology of curse words in my high school english class. :) |
| 18:41.37 | kylie_ | Or french fries with "chips" |
| 18:41.42 | youtah | Or, "I'm stuffed" means your pregnant |
| 18:41.47 | kylie_ | LoL |
| 18:42.16 | levi | Or the term 'chuffed' |
| 18:42.23 | youtah | Pop your bonnet |
| 18:42.47 | levi | Pop the bonnet, shut the boot. |
| 18:42.56 | Migs | https://sphotos-a.xx.fbcdn.net/hphotos-ash3/941755_10151641003932722_308371440_n.jpg |
| 18:43.31 | youtah | Some girls from Ireland came and lived with us for a bit last year. They about died when my mother asked if they would like a fanny pack. (They were going to Lagoon) |
| 18:44.05 | kylie_ | Hahahaha |
| 18:45.11 | youtah | yeah. and wet willies also have a different meaning over there |
| 18:45.22 | Yorokobi | and 'fags' |
| 18:45.43 | kylie_ | Apparently faggots are wonderful. |
| 18:45.49 | kylie_ | https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Faggot_(food) |
| 18:45.50 | youtah | wants to go to Europe. |
| 18:46.19 | youtah | https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Faggot_(unit) |
| 18:46.35 | kylie_ | I wanna go to Germany |
| 18:46.42 | youtah | I really do love etymology |
| 18:47.16 | youtah | Okay, I lied. I don't really care about going to Europe. I want to spend all my time around the Mediterranean. |
| 18:50.14 | kylie_ | You wouldn't want to check out Chernobyl? |
| 18:53.02 | levi | Germany is really cool. |
| 18:53.10 | kylie_ | Have you been? |
| 18:53.19 | levi | It's really the only part of Europe I've spent any time, though. |
| 18:53.49 | levi | And I've only been on business trips, so I couldn't see much of the touristy stuff. |
| 18:54.26 | levi | But I did get to go on a scenic drive through the Black Forest area. |
| 18:56.07 | youtah | I've only been in 4 countries. |
| 18:56.16 | youtah | USA, New Jersey, Mexico and Canada |
| 18:56.57 | youtah | errr, 5. The Bahamas (only nassau) |
| 18:57.04 | Gate | I want to go back to Germany as an adult. I spent time there as a teenager and I think I'd enjoy it even more now that I can drink |
| 18:58.28 | kylie_ | Gate: Oh definitely, their beers are supposedly legendary. |
| 18:59.04 | jlp_work | I've been in England, the US, Canada, and France (prenatal) |
| 18:59.18 | kylie_ | Prenatal does not count. :P |
| 18:59.19 | jlp_work | I love that youtah thinks New Jersey is a separate country :-) |
| 18:59.26 | joshh | kylie_: not supposedly |
| 18:59.59 | jlp_work | hey, I was there |
| 19:00.18 | jlp_work | I'm claiming it :-) |
| 19:00.39 | kylie_ | The closest I've had is Tappist |
| 19:01.16 | kylie_ | jlp_work: How was the food? :P |
| 19:02.39 | jlp_work | it was pretty bland, as I recall |
| 19:02.45 | youtah | tube fed? |
| 19:02.53 | jlp_work | umbilically |
| 19:02.56 | youtah | ah yes |
| 19:04.01 | kylie_ | no wonder they stay thin |
| 19:07.17 | Q_Continuum | Down to 256 tabs open! PROGRESS! |
| 19:07.54 | jlp_work | spangborn: did you ever get your red pebble? I understand they're shipping orange and grey ones now. |
| 19:08.09 | jlp_work | dremex_work_ is anxiously awaiting his, but no shipping notice yet. |
| 19:08.15 | youtah | Watching Q_Continuum close tabs, reminds me of the time I hit 97% full on my gmail, and started deleting emails. I had something like 19,000 in my inbox. |
| 19:08.19 | Q_Continuum | Said screw it and set up a TiddliWiki to track all these links, because bookmarks just don't quite cut it. (Then I can store notes alongside it all!) |
| 19:08.45 | dremex_work_ | hoping my orange pebble ships next week |
| 19:09.00 | Q_Continuum | Email title: #myouyaiscoming (No tracking # yet though) |
| 19:09.09 | youtah | I am 99.523% sure spangborn got his red. |
| 19:11.44 | dremex_work_ | A co-worker received his ouya the other day, but its having some overheating problems |
| 19:13.03 | scottj | Q_Continuum: how do you navigate 256 tabs? do you have delayed tab loading so when you restart your browser it only loads the tabs as you visit them? |
| 19:13.53 | youtah | dremex_work_, our co-worker also received his |
| 19:17.58 | Q_Continuum | scottj: They only load when I click on them, and TabKit 2nd Edition gives me vertical tabs, grouped & indented that I can collapse as a 'set' |
| 19:18.26 | Q_Continuum | Makes many projects/trains of thought easy to visualize |
| 19:18.40 | Q_Continuum | Honestly I don't think I'll ever go back to non-vertical tabs |
| 19:18.56 | Q_Continuum | I can read more than 1-2 words off the titles |
| 19:19.10 | jlp_work | I wonder if there is something like that for chrome? |
| 19:19.35 | jlp_work | I've only got, like, 15 tabs and all I can see is the favicon and maybe one or two characters |
| 19:20.24 | scottj | jlp_work: surprisingly chrome by default doesn't appear to even have a drop down list of the tabs that aren't visible, from what I can tell. |
| 19:20.27 | Q_Continuum | I have not found a vertical tab option for Chrome or IE |
| 19:20.40 | Q_Continuum | I wish they both had something for that |
| 19:20.52 | Q_Continuum | Chrome used to have a hack you could get them, but they 'fixed' that one. |
| 19:21.51 | Q_Continuum | Low tab counts are for kiosks and folks with really crappy computers ;-P |
| 19:22.26 | jlp_work | I do have a chrome extension called TooManyTabs that is fairly nice, but I'd like vertical tabs instead |
| 19:25.01 | Q_Continuum | Chrome is great for small tab count |
| 19:25.13 | Q_Continuum | but with large # of tabs eats more RAM than Firefox |
| 19:25.19 | Q_Continuum | due to each tab being its own process |
| 19:26.05 | jlp_work | considers switching back to firefox |
| 19:26.15 | youtah | No! |
| 19:26.17 | youtah | Don't do it! |
| 19:26.21 | youtah | It's a trap! |
| 19:28.53 | youtah | jlp_work, there are a ton of results when searching for Google Chrome extensions using "group tabs" |
| 19:29.43 | Q_Continuum | youtah: Vertical tabs? Tabs not loading on startup so not loading plugins and content? |
| 19:29.51 | youtah | yeah |
| 19:30.03 | youtah | well, this one I am looking at does. It opens up like a context menu |
| 19:30.09 | youtah | and has them layed out vertically |
| 19:30.20 | Q_Continuum | jlp_work: Also Mozilla doesn't track every page you open and link you click ;-P |
| 19:43.30 | Q_Continuum | Chrome is good, but for my workflow the addons I've found for Firefox make it MUCH more useful/ideal. |
| 19:43.39 | Q_Continuum | I need to document again what all I have installed and why |
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| 20:07.55 | Myconix | I am looking for a mister jeff mcgrath |
| 20:08.26 | youtah | lol, hey Myconix |
| 20:08.52 | Myconix | helo |
| 20:09.26 | youtah | howdy howdy |
| 20:09.27 | youtah | brb |
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| 20:10.55 | kylie_ | Allow me to show you my husband's driver license photo: http://imgur.com/Ku4HP3G |
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| 20:27.38 | levi | Not *every* tab in Chrome is its own process, but it does definitely spawn a lot of processes. |
| 21:26.13 | jlp_work | http://imgur.com/gallery/XD9L4 <- the coolest things Chris Hadfield taught us about space |
| 21:27.54 | jlp_work | https://chrome.google.com/webstore/detail/tabs-outliner/eggkanocgddhmamlbiijnphhppkpkmkl <- tabs outliner... looks like a good tabs manager for chrome, going to give it a try. |
| 21:29.40 | youtah | He posted on twitter how horrible his dieting has been since he landed back on Earth |
| 21:30.05 | youtah | He said "You think you're diet's gone badly, try gaining 170lbs in one week..." |
| 21:30.18 | youtah | (it was actually a parody account) |
| 21:39.10 | levi | Foolish me, it took a while to realize that it was referring to gaining back his original 170lbs. I thought there was some weird physiological process that made his body retain a bunch of calories after returning to gravity. :P |
| 21:39.33 | shalkie | I see a FLoBee! |
| 21:39.39 | youtah | lol |
| 21:39.40 | shalkie | s/FL/Fl/ |
| 21:39.46 | youtah | http://i.imgur.com/xoRdTce.jpg |
| 21:39.51 | jlp_work | levi: heh heh |
| 21:41.43 | youtah | Do you guys remember these? http://i.imgur.com/xjHxByo.jpg |
| 21:46.37 | levi | youtah: Was that some popular consumer product? It looks like something I'd pick up at harbor freight to roll furniture around on or something. |
| 21:59.42 | harleypig_ | I've got an actual linux related question. *gasp* |
| 22:00.10 | harleypig_ | With pam_cracklib you can set ocredit to allow for 'other characters' but I can't find a list of what other characters include. |
| 22:00.25 | harleypig_ | Is it all other characters? or a subset? |
| 22:09.46 | rsimpkins | harleypig_: non digit or a-z/A-Z I believe. |
| 22:10.00 | rsimpkins | so rather, NOT a digit, NOT a-z/A-Z |
| 22:10.25 | rsimpkins | from man page: "The four classes are digits, upper and lower letters and other characters." |
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| 22:22.08 | youtah | levi they were used in the elementary schools for Gym |
| 22:22.09 | youtah | it was awesome |
| 22:22.32 | youtah | We'd roll them around and smash into each other |
| 22:23.07 | harleypig_ | rsimpkins: yeah, I'm trying to pin down what 'other' really is. |
| 22:23.33 | harleypig_ | if the code checks for 'not [0-9a-zA-Z]' then it's literally anything you can type. |
| 22:23.55 | harleypig_ | But if it's checking something else then I need to be able to definitively define what 'other' means. |
| 22:28.29 | rsimpkins | harleypig_: Might have to pull up the source to see. |
| 22:29.03 | rsimpkins | Or, test. |
| 22:29.45 | Yorokobi | It looks like "other" is anything not [a-zA-z0-9] |
| 22:30.25 | harleypig_ | Yorokobi: Got a reference? |
| 22:30.32 | harleypig_ | rsimpkins: yeah, I'm looking now |
| 22:30.36 | rsimpkins | Yorokobi: anything, anything - or just ascii anything. :) |
| 22:30.41 | Yorokobi | I'm perusing the source code |
| 22:30.58 | Yorokobi | I don't see anything that excludes "anything" |
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| 22:37.11 | shalkie | According to the following: http://www.deer-run.com/~hal/sysadmin/pam_cracklib.html |
| 22:37.25 | shalkie | ocredit references any non-alphanumeric value. |
| 22:38.04 | shalkie | Which would be in keeping with providing dcredit, lcredit and ucredit. |
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| 22:38.55 | harleypig_ | <PROTECTED> |
| 22:39.23 | Yorokobi | ocredit is just an allowance/credit for using non-alphanumeric characters. If there's a restriction it is probably in the base PAM module. |
| 22:39.25 | harleypig_ | shalkie: looks like it, though i still can't find exactly where in the source code it's being checked. |
| 22:39.44 | harleypig_ | Yorokobi: oh, good point. I'll expand my search. |
| 22:42.36 | Yorokobi | Well, I just created a user and changed the password to あなた and didn't get any complaints. |
| 22:43.01 | harleypig_ | :D |
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| 22:43.24 | harleypig_ | But is it secure? :> |
| 22:44.03 | Yorokobi | Not as short as it is. Plus, it is a Japanese dictionary word. :) |
| 22:44.06 | jessie | Well, it probably helps security that you removed restrictions. Makes the keyspace much larger. |
| 22:44.33 | Q_Continuum | youtah: SpecialSnowflakeSuzy can't get hurt, we must ban those!!!111 |
| 22:45.10 | Q_Continuum | may remember them |
| 22:46.16 | Q_Continuum | Also youtah http://www.reddit.com/r/ServerPorn/comments/1fc7rw/24tb_of_flash_storage_just_arrived_cost_28000/ |
| 22:47.55 | rsimpkins | I'm not sure Adobe's content filter is going to like "ServerPorn" in the url. |
| 22:48.29 | Yorokobi | Will it be okay with a redirection? Short URL: http://is.gd/0B7TwF :) |
| 22:49.25 | rsimpkins | Is there an article or something it references? |
| 22:50.30 | Yorokobi | No. Someone got two 1.2T flash drives and is bragging. |
| 22:50.39 | Q_Continuum | ^ |
| 22:50.41 | jessie | http://i.imgur.com/nsyEKl9.jpg |
| 22:50.43 | rsimpkins | Um... okay. |
| 22:50.45 | Q_Continuum | From youtah 's employer |
| 22:50.46 | jessie | That's the image from it. |
| 22:50.52 | jessie | IO Fusion stuff. |
| 22:50.54 | Q_Continuum | ^ |
| 22:51.11 | jessie | Or FusionIO I guess it is. |
| 22:51.11 | rsimpkins | not 24tb. 2.4tb? |
| 22:51.14 | Q_Continuum | Yes. |
| 22:51.17 | Q_Continuum | 2x1.2TB |
| 22:51.24 | rsimpkins | Okay, cause I was freaking out when I saw 24tb. |
| 22:51.27 | Q_Continuum | lol |
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| 22:51.36 | Q_Continuum | Yes, reddit does funny things to punctuation. |
| 22:51.37 | jessie | Especially for $28k. |
| 22:51.39 | Q_Continuum | It eats it. |
| 22:51.44 | rsimpkins | 24tb flash for $28,000 - I'll take a truck full of those please. |
| 22:51.47 | Q_Continuum | Eh, you could do 24TB for $28k |
| 22:51.56 | Q_Continuum | IT wouldn't be anywhere near as fast |
| 22:52.01 | youtah | Q_Continuum, whoa |
| 22:52.04 | youtah | interesting |
| 22:52.07 | Q_Continuum | consumer-grade is pretty cheap these days |
| 22:52.13 | Q_Continuum | near $1/GB |
| 22:52.47 | Q_Continuum | youtah: Yeah, figured you'd want to see that ;-P |
| 22:53.30 | rsimpkins | Once someone makes a flash drive that can stand up to the brutally punishing write work load we have - I can probably get someone to care about it. |
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| 22:54.10 | youtah | Q_Continuum for sure |
| 22:54.13 | rsimpkins | The last time we tried flash storage in a production test the cards lasted less than 2 weeks. |
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| 22:55.01 | Q_Continuum | what level of flash storage? |
| 22:55.08 | Q_Continuum | consumer, workstation, or enterprise? |
| 22:55.08 | youtah | Just remember SSD's dont even come close to comparing |
| 22:55.36 | rsimpkins | These were HP enterprise stuff. Not sure what the detailed specs were. it has been a while. It might be time for another test. |
| 22:55.47 | youtah | You'll enjoy this older article https://www.fusionio.com/casestudies/myspace |
| 22:56.02 | shalkie | harleypig_: Lines 363 - 415, if I read it correctly. https://git.fedorahosted.org/cgit/linux-pam.git/tree/modules/pam_cracklib/pam_cracklib.c |
| 22:57.50 | shalkie | Sorry, I guess it really starts at 327. |
| 22:58.21 | harleypig_ | shalkie: I see it ... thanks. So, it's '[^0-9a-zA-Z]' |
| 22:59.02 | rsimpkins | youtah: How is the durability now. If we filled it up with millions of small writes until full, read once, deleted, then did it again... how many times do you think we could get away with that? |
| 23:00.01 | jlp_work | rsimpkins: about 3 years |
| 23:01.17 | rsimpkins | jlp_work: That's encouraging. Last time we did that HP said they wouldn't replace any failed components. 90 day warranty. |
| 23:02.32 | jlp_work | our specs say the card should last 3-5 years with heavy usage. in QA and dev testing, we beat the hell out of them and we've got cards that have been running ever since I started here (2.5 years ago). |
| 23:03.10 | jlp_work | the driver will monitor the card's performance and give you an alert well before it fails. |
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| 23:07.30 | youtah | Sorry rsimpkins, I was AFK. What jlp_work said. |
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