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| 13:58.13 | klys | ~slashdot |
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| 15:24.56 | youtah | FRIDAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAY! |
| 15:25.49 | youtah | http://i.imgur.com/92nBcJ4.gif |
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| 15:29.55 | youtah | Awesome manithree! |
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| 15:49.16 | levi | My group at work is going to see Star Trek in a bit. :) |
| 16:09.22 | manithree | levi: Lucky! |
| 16:14.21 | levi | Yeah. :) |
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| 16:14.53 | manithree | The last "Team Building Activity" we had was "The Hobbit" |
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| 16:24.27 | levi | Sweet. |
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| 17:01.13 | b4dave | Hello guys. I am new here but not too new to Linux. I do live in Salt Lake (sugarhouse to be specific) is there any local Linux groups here? |
| 17:01.39 | Jayce^ | quite a few |
| 17:01.43 | Jayce^ | plug, sllug, etc |
| 17:03.58 | jlp_work | is sllug still active? |
| 17:04.25 | jlp_work | Google Chrome could not connect to www.sllug.org |
| 17:06.17 | Migs | how new to SLC? |
| 17:06.18 | Jayce^ | yeah, mecworks computer is having trouble |
| 17:06.25 | Migs | or do you mean new to #utah? |
| 17:06.28 | Jayce^ | sllug needs some new management :) |
| 17:06.43 | Migs | nm, I'm dumb |
| 17:07.11 | jlp_work | oalug (ogden)'s site lists their last meeting as 29 Nov 2011. :-( |
| 17:07.29 | jlp_work | I think plug is your best bet for any real activity |
| 17:08.01 | youtah | mecworks actually hasn't turned on his webserver |
| 17:08.05 | youtah | everything else should be up |
| 17:08.18 | youtah | he gave me a huge list of reasons as to why |
| 17:08.46 | youtah | s/of/of logical/ |
| 17:09.17 | jlp_work | here's a (stale) list of stuff... some of these are still up and around: http://jordy.gundy.org/utah-user-groups/ |
| 17:09.33 | jlp_work | I think the most active group is sitting in this channel, though, so you've found us! |
| 17:09.41 | youtah | swats at a mosquito |
| 17:09.46 | b4dave | No i am just new to #utah. |
| 17:10.05 | b4dave | I have tried to go to the sllug.org and the site does not work for me as well |
| 17:11.14 | Jayce^ | you just missed openwest, which is the annual lug party :) |
| 17:11.30 | Migs | must be hosted on some weird distro |
| 17:11.31 | youtah | a/s/l/job/ssn/mothers maiden name? Just kidding! I'm just kidding! |
| 17:11.42 | Migs | a/s/l/WEIGHT |
| 17:11.49 | youtah | LOL |
| 17:13.40 | b4dave | jlp_work, i am glad that i did. I don't have many friends that enjoy the same things as me and at my place of work they act like they love all things tech but they dont know how to install a linux distro or configure a router. |
| 17:14.16 | jlp_work | perhaps you're working at the wrong place? :-) |
| 17:14.43 | youtah | I configure routers all the time, aka power cycle my dlink ;-) |
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| 17:15.07 | Jayce^ | ~fishslap youtah |
| 17:15.07 | ibot | ACTION slaps youtah up side the head with a wet fish. |
| 17:16.14 | youtah | runs away crying |
| 17:16.33 | youtah | http://imgur.com/a/SHnrY?gallery |
| 17:16.47 | youtah | some are lame, some are pretty dang good. |
| 17:16.54 | youtah | AFK - Lunch! |
| 17:21.24 | youtah | Jayce^, what BSA council is Utah county apart of? |
| 17:22.15 | b4dave | Well it sucks. I share dorky and geeky stuff with them and they look at me like i am a lame. I think what they hell. you guys work for tech support and you don't get it? :( |
| 17:22.15 | youtah | I am guessing now the GSLC |
| 17:22.23 | Migs | http://www.worldwideinterweb.com/photos/item/1733-the-50-most-awkward-pregnancy-portraits-ever.html sfw I guess |
| 17:22.38 | pdayton | it was the national parks council when I was a lad |
| 17:22.52 | Jayce^ | national parks |
| 17:23.23 | youtah | Gracias |
| 17:24.24 | dremex | Migs, I think you meant nsfl |
| 17:25.00 | youtah | I wonder if the nsfw nick has been taken |
| 17:25.23 | youtah | ~seen nsfw |
| 17:25.26 | ibot | i haven't seen 'nsfw', youtah |
| 17:25.28 | youtah | I just crashed ibot |
| 17:25.48 | youtah | op, there he is |
| 17:26.37 | Migs | um, ping? |
| 17:26.54 | youtah | no such nick or channel |
| 17:27.06 | youtah | I used /whois |
| 17:27.35 | jlp_work | geez, thanks, Migs, now I'll never be a grandpa |
| 17:27.53 | Migs | my work here is done |
| 17:28.35 | youtah | dremex, get to work |
| 17:41.06 | dremex | lol |
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| 18:20.02 | youtah | I want this http://i.imgur.com/blRYH4j.jpg |
| 18:22.18 | youtah | not to be out done of course.... http://img.fotocommunity.com/photos/12664390.jpg |
| 18:55.01 | pashdown | http://www.sltrib.com/sltrib/politics/56356205-90/shurtleff-mcbride-robbins-jenson.html |
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| 19:19.39 | youtah | Saw that on Facebook. I can't keep track of all the names |
| 19:20.08 | youtah | Annoying music, but I can't help but believe that this really is a 14yo kid http://www.cbssports.com/collegebasketball/blog/eye-on-college-basketball/22115930/meet-the-14-year-old-who-could-be-the-next-andrew-wiggins |
| 19:20.21 | youtah | errr... *not believe |
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| 19:37.28 | romanovic | oh wow andrew wiggins |
| 19:37.31 | romanovic | has no idea who that is |
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| 19:39.56 | Yorokobi | Read Ender's Game |
| 19:41.33 | youtah | Ummmm, so. Yeah. spangborn just sent me this... http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uLpRVZkiuAc#! |
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| 19:54.44 | youtah | lol romanovic, i just read your response |
| 19:56.05 | Yorokobi | And I just discovered there's a real person named Andrew Wiggins. I've met my quota of things learned for the day. Going home now. |
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| 19:57.38 | youtah | "Only 36 percent of geoscientists and engineers believe that humans are creating a global warming crisis, according to a survey reported in the peer-reviewed Organization Studies. By contrast, a strong majority of the 1,077 respondents believe that nature is the primary cause of recent global warming and/or that future global warming will not be a very serious problem." http://www.forbes.com/sites/jamestaylor/2013/02/13/peer-reviewed-survey-finds-majority-of-s |
| 19:57.38 | youtah | cientists-skeptical-of-global-warming-crisis/ |
| 19:57.50 | youtah | heh, it cut my URL in hald |
| 19:57.52 | youtah | half |
| 19:58.47 | kylie_ | Interesting |
| 19:59.39 | kylie_ | I just saw a study that compared ~12,000 scientific journals and compared them and found that 97.1% admitted to human climate change |
| 19:59.44 | kylie_ | http://iopscience.iop.org/1748-9326/8/2/024024/article |
| 19:59.54 | kylie_ | 404'd page on you |
| 20:00.50 | youtah | http://www.forbes.com/sites/jamestaylor/2013/02/13/peer-reviewed-survey-finds-majority-of-scientists-skeptical-of-global-warming-crisis/ |
| 20:01.18 | youtah | The link above got split into two lines |
| 20:01.30 | youtah | has no idea why |
| 20:04.26 | kylie_ | I'm confused by that Forbes article lol |
| 20:04.28 | kylie_ | "According to American Meteorological Society (AMS) data, 89% of AMS meteorologists believe global warming is happening, but only a minority (30%) is very worried about global warming." |
| 20:04.55 | youtah | So the way I read it, |
| 20:05.09 | youtah | most of them acknowledge it, they're just not really sure it's all anthropogenic. |
| 20:05.27 | kylie_ | Wait, I looked at the wrong page |
| 20:05.28 | youtah | discovered a new word today. |
| 20:05.30 | kylie_ | Yeah, they put them into categaroies |
| 20:06.04 | kylie_ | And here's a paper they reference |
| 20:06.05 | kylie_ | http://www.ametsoc.org/policy/2007climatechange.html |
| 20:06.23 | Migs | not sure why that would be surprising. REAL ACTUAL scientists know it's a load of crap. |
| 20:06.40 | youtah | lol Migs |
| 20:06.40 | Migs | only tree hugging liberal "scientists" claim the world is heating up |
| 20:06.52 | youtah | grabs a bigger spoon for Migs to stir with |
| 20:07.33 | youtah | kylie_, that article is also 6 years old. :-( |
| 20:08.02 | kylie_ | Einstein's papers are over 50 years old, they still hold up. |
| 20:08.05 | Migs | yeah, pretty out of date |
| 20:08.10 | kylie_ | Their math or their observations don't become invalid after a few years |
| 20:08.19 | Migs | You're seriously comparing this pop science with Einstein? |
| 20:08.21 | kylie_ | Research papers can be slow moving |
| 20:08.25 | kylie_ | What's pop science? :x |
| 20:08.38 | Migs | like pop psychology |
| 20:08.40 | kylie_ | What |
| 20:08.48 | youtah | puts his helmet on and hits the ground |
| 20:08.53 | kylie_ | Another paper the Forbes paper linked |
| 20:08.54 | kylie_ | http://oss.sagepub.com/content/33/11/1477.full |
| 20:09.24 | Migs | none of this will stop me from sitting in my driveway in my Pilot, revving the engine for hours to listen to it whirr |
| 20:09.29 | kylie_ | Okay? |
| 20:09.49 | jlp_work | woooooo! |
| 20:12.10 | youtah | wonders if cattle flatulence is considered anthropogenic. |
| 20:12.35 | kylie_ | No |
| 20:12.40 | kylie_ | anthro = homo sapien |
| 20:12.46 | kylie_ | cow = food |
| 20:12.51 | youtah | but it's the humans that are breeding them into huge farms |
| 20:12.58 | kylie_ | Yeah. |
| 20:13.05 | kylie_ | I know a few vegetarians for moral reasons such as that. |
| 20:13.05 | youtah | for the sole purpose of consumption, so it's human... caused, right? |
| 20:13.23 | kylie_ | You put a lot more energy into raising a cattle than you get out of them, but such is the way of all things |
| 20:13.35 | kylie_ | Their food efficiency is apparently awful. |
| 20:13.44 | kylie_ | But, that's just up to the individual. |
| 20:15.29 | youtah | I'm speculating that cows wouldn't be nearly as populous as they are today, if it weren't for humans. |
| 20:16.05 | kylie_ | I'd agree, they're so dependent on us and you can immediately tell why if you've ever had to deal with them. |
| 20:16.20 | kylie_ | is going cow branding this Monday |
| 20:16.39 | kylie_ | has never met a pleasant cow |
| 20:17.08 | youtah | They used the name "Buttercup" for the name of the cow in the article, lol... http://www.telegraph.co.uk/earth/environment/globalwarming/9334019/Flatulent-cows-gas-emissions-measured-by-scientists.html |
| 20:17.25 | kylie_ | LoL |
| 20:17.47 | kylie_ | I can imagine people in white coats following cows all over the place waving a metal want around the air of the cow's backside to get data |
| 20:17.56 | youtah | lol |
| 20:18.38 | kylie_ | lasers do sounds more simple, ha |
| 20:19.20 | manithree | http://dailycaller.com/2013/05/21/newsweek-in-1975-tornado-outbreak-blamed-on-global-cooling/ |
| 20:19.35 | manithree | It came up on PLUG recently that science doesn't make mistakes any more. |
| 20:20.14 | kylie_ | IDK, at a laymen level this subject is more politics than science |
| 20:20.49 | manithree | I remember in 1975 KNOWING that an ice age was coming and all scientists agreeing that we would be completely out of fossil fuels by 1985. |
| 20:21.15 | kylie_ | The 70's media thing? |
| 20:21.30 | kylie_ | That didn't even have much traction in any fields back then |
| 20:21.41 | youtah | manithree is older than me. |
| 20:21.49 | manithree | yes, yes I am |
| 20:22.09 | youtah | s/older/more seasoned with experience/ |
| 20:23.59 | manithree | Jaded, apocalypse fatigue, all that http://news.heartland.org/newspaper-article/2007/03/01/alar-great-apple-scare |
| 20:24.49 | kylie_ | M&M red scare too? |
| 20:26.08 | Jayce^ | since I know I have foodie geek friends in here: http://www.reddit.com/r/IAmA/comments/1ezj1c/im_alton_brown_i_cook_stuff_and_write_and_shoot/ |
| 20:26.13 | manithree | Yep, FD&C Red #2. Definitely causes lab rats in cancer |
| 20:26.46 | kylie_ | We're still doing the aspartame scare three decades later |
| 20:26.58 | manithree | And the CFC scare |
| 20:28.06 | kylie_ | There's a common element with all of these hyped things |
| 20:28.16 | kylie_ | It's spread by media and people |
| 20:28.27 | kylie_ | Even when people actually dealing with the hard science say otherwise |
| 20:28.35 | kylie_ | Like exactly what happened with that silly neutrino thing |
| 20:28.50 | kylie_ | "Did you hear that neutrino's travel faster than light?! Yeah CERN did it and I read it on BBC!" |
| 20:29.37 | kylie_ | "Oh, aspartame will give you headaches and cancer and shit even though there's 30 years of observing that implies nothing unto that." |
| 20:29.58 | kylie_ | Like |
| 20:30.24 | kylie_ | Unless you go directly to the source and other sources and figure out the hard stuff for yourself or have someone specifically walk through it for you |
| 20:30.24 | kylie_ | I give up. |
| 20:30.25 | kylie_ | I don |
| 20:30.43 | kylie_ | *I don't care, because someone out there somehow made people think that quantum mechanics is controled by people's conscience |
| 20:32.06 | manithree | The media is no better than in the '70's, that's for sure |
| 20:32.18 | kylie_ | Or the 20's. |
| 20:33.17 | kylie_ | https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Operation_Northwoods |
| 20:34.45 | manithree | That's why I prefer to just let government experts do the thinking for me |
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| 21:19.45 | youtah | just watched some micro soldering. |
| 21:19.51 | youtah | amazing |
| 21:19.53 | youtah | just amazing |
| 22:36.36 | findlay | so, everything's the media's fault |
| 22:36.44 | findlay | ~blame big media, whatever that is |
| 22:36.44 | ibot | ACTION blames big media, whatever that is (and Canada) for all the evil in the world |
| 22:37.16 | findlay | can't forget canadia |
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| 22:53.22 | klys | ~slashdot |
| 22:53.50 | jlp_work | Canada? Why would I want to go to America Junior when I'm already in America? |
| 22:55.01 | klys | I maybe would have commented by now on major news sources if it were possible to say what foreign news is like |
| 22:55.40 | Migs | that's like ordering off the kid's menu when you have the full menu right in front of you |
| 22:58.11 | jlp_work | http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AX2LQ6xgTkw |
| 23:04.57 | jlp_work | http://www.smbc-comics.com/index.php?db=comics&id=2987 |
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| 23:17.04 | findlay | I'm having routing problems |
| 23:19.58 | findlay | I have a router 192.168.0.1 that modems traffic from the lan out onto the DSL connection and a second DMZ router 192.168.1.1 that uplinks directly to 192.168.0.1 |
| 23:20.31 | findlay | the problem is that I can't get from the 0.1 network to the 1.1 network even though I setup a static route for this purpose |
| 23:20.34 | findlay | :( |
| 23:21.08 | fungus | NAT rules affecting that traffic? |
| 23:21.30 | findlay | I'm not sure |
| 23:21.34 | klys | on the remote machine: route add -net 192.168.1.1 netmask 255.255.255.0 gw <your public IP here> |
| 23:23.55 | klys | wait, I think that has to be one hop away. you might try gre tunneling. |
| 23:25.02 | findlay | traffic originating on the 192.168.0.? network will be NATted even if it's destined to a 192.168.1.? address? |
| 23:25.37 | fungus | I don't know, are you doing that? check your NAT rules. What kind of router is it? |
| 23:25.46 | klys | it depends on which machine is routing and the rules on that machine. |
| 23:26.02 | findlay | it's an actiontek m1000, yay |
| 23:26.14 | klys | centurylink |
| 23:26.57 | findlay | that's the 192.168.0.1, and the other router, 192.168.1.1, is some brand new dlink that I picked up at DI |
| 23:27.44 | findlay | it appears to have lots of features, but obviously both devices are proprietary limited. I just can't seem to find cheap network hardware anywhere |
| 23:27.46 | klys | I know GRE tunneling is in the kernel. so you just have to see if you have the module for it on both ends. |
| 23:29.03 | fungus | You could get some packet captures to see if either router is mangling the packets via NAT. |
| 23:29.22 | findlay | indeed, forgot about that |
| 23:29.45 | findlay | what's that fancy tool that combines tcpdump with traceroute or something? |
| 23:30.17 | fungus | never heard of such a thing. would that be useful? |
| 23:30.29 | findlay | 'rtfm, write your own pcap app' |
| 23:31.04 | fungus | Just find an old 10Mbps Hub (not switch) and stick that in between router links with your computer so you can capture all the traffic. |
| 23:31.33 | fungus | Or buy a fancy Ethertap |
| 23:32.04 | klys | you mean a fluke? |
| 23:32.33 | findlay | fungus: I've been looking for hubs for a while now |
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| 23:32.45 | findlay | not even craigslist has them |
| 23:33.07 | fungus | you don't need a fluke, you can get pretty cheap taps to plug your laptop in |
| 23:33.21 | fungus | http://hakshop.myshopify.com/products/throwing-star-lan-tap |
| 23:33.54 | Tene | findlay: what sort of functionality would you even get by combining tcpdump and traceroute? |
| 23:34.08 | findlay | Tene: megapowers |
| 23:36.04 | Tene | findlay: I don't understand your network setup well enough to give advice; I can't quite work out what topology you were describing. |
| 23:37.40 | Tene | If you want to show me a diagram or something, I'd be glad to give advice. |
| 23:38.27 | levi | findlay: What do you want a hub for? |
| 23:39.02 | fungus | packet captures |
| 23:39.19 | joshh | don't have a switch that can mirror? |
| 23:39.31 | joshh | is this for your living room or something? |
| 23:39.41 | fungus | If he can't afford a decent router, I would doubt he has a switch that can mirror. |
| 23:39.57 | levi | Port mirroring on switches is an imperfect thing, though fine for most uses. |
| 23:40.12 | joshh | imperfect how? |
| 23:41.40 | findlay | levi: if I had a hub, I wouldn't need a 2nd router at all. Basically I added the 2nd router just for extra ethernet ports |
| 23:42.03 | findlay | but you can't find hubs anymore, and switches are too expensive |
| 23:42.04 | fungus | Really?! |
| 23:42.15 | fungus | Then why use a separate subnet? |
| 23:42.48 | findlay | fungus: well, I'm experimenting with scaling up the topological complexity for educational purposes as well |
| 23:43.02 | fungus | oh, ok. that makes sense. |
| 23:44.14 | findlay | but it's difficult for me to make it work on junky DI hardware with arcane web guis that dissuade you from doing anything 'advanced', like actually making a network that, you know, actually works |
| 23:44.22 | joshh | honestly actiontek stuff is super crappy, no sense in bothering to "learn" anything with them |
| 23:44.24 | fungus | My guess is one or more of your routers are NATing, probably the dlink, and it should have NAT completely disabled. |
| 23:47.18 | findlay | http://dpaste.com/1198288/ |
| 23:47.58 | fungus | findlay, is the link between routers in the 192.168.0.0 subnet? |
| 23:48.38 | findlay | from 192.168.1.2 (behind the dlink) and from 192.168.0.5 (behind the actiontek) I can communicate with with the internet with no problem |
| 23:49.11 | findlay | I can't talk to 192.168.1.2 from 192.168.0.5: From 192.168.0.5 icmp_seq=1 Destination Host Unreachable |
| 23:49.17 | findlay | I haven't tried going the other way yet |
| 23:49.54 | findlay | fungus: the dlink uplink plugs into the actiontek's solitary ethernet downlink |
| 23:50.38 | joshh | i can't believe someone is seriously plugging a dlink into an actiontek |
| 23:50.47 | fungus | So that's a yes? Does the WAN interface on the dlink have a 192.168.0.x address? |
| 23:50.48 | findlay | I've tried to find tutorials online on how to do something like this, but haven't really found anything helpful yet (that's why I'm asking here) |
| 23:51.11 | findlay | fungus: yes |
| 23:51.34 | fungus | ok, so you need to see if you can disable NAT completely on the dlink. |
| 23:51.57 | findlay | 192.168.0.8 |
| 23:52.01 | findlay | infact |
| 23:52.37 | fungus | And pray that the actiontec is smart enough to do the NAT for both subnets. |
| 23:52.54 | findlay | so, each device creates its own NAT |
| 23:53.05 | fungus | No the actiontec does NAT for all |
| 23:53.06 | findlay | ugh. What would you do? |
| 23:53.12 | findlay | ok |
| 23:53.32 | findlay | what's the ideal solution, supposing that I could buy some other device or something? |
| 23:53.45 | fungus | right now you probably have a double NAT situation going on for your 192.168.1.x subnet |
| 23:53.46 | findlay | do I have to use the qwest supplied modem? |
| 23:54.43 | fungus | While it works for internet access (mostly), it prevents access between the two networks. |
| 23:54.57 | findlay | from what I've seen of the actiontec, I don't think it's going to service networks outside of it's own DHCP range |
| 23:55.11 | fungus | that's possible. |
| 23:56.51 | findlay | but it also doesn't do static addresses |
| 23:56.53 | findlay | lame |
| 23:57.28 | joshh | you can use other modems, and if you have a more decent router you can set the actiontek to bridging |
| 23:57.48 | joshh | a dlink isn't a giant leap over an actiontek, but it might at least be able to actually route |
| 23:57.53 | fungus | that's what I was going to suggest. Then you can use any router |
| 23:58.06 | fungus | an old linux box. A dlink with OpenWRT, etc. |
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