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| 02:19.43 | findlay | dude |
| 02:19.56 | findlay | wireless keyboards and mice are powered by standard AA batteries |
| 02:20.02 | findlay | it's 2013 |
| 02:20.22 | findlay | lithium and/or composite capacitor power supplies |
| 02:20.38 | findlay | you might even be able to get away with photovoltaics |
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| 04:42.37 | klys | mysql, phones, batteries |
| 04:42.40 | klys | ~slashdot |
| 04:45.12 | klys | ~quote MU |
| 04:49.14 | klys | JalenJade: today's comments make you look like a hobbyist |
| 04:49.58 | klys | ~seen levi |
| 04:50.00 | ibot | levi <~user@c-24-10-225-212.hsd1.ut.comcast.net> was last seen on IRC in channel #utah, 6d 8h 9m 45s ago, saying: 'What's "the device"?'. |
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| 15:48.38 | youtah | I WANT I WANT I WANT!!! Quick! Jayce^ buy this for me!!! http://www.amazon.com/Gallium-99-99-grams-GalliumSource-LLC/dp/B0051GWA3S |
| 15:50.15 | youtah | This has a whole bunch of awesome.... http://imgur.com/gallery/22z2J |
| 15:50.46 | findlay | ~seen findlay |
| 15:50.56 | ibot | findlay is currently on #utah. Has said a total of 16 messages. Is idling for 10s, last said: '~seen findlay '. |
| 15:50.58 | findlay | I'm not seen |
| 15:51.29 | findlay | trailing space, yes, I tab-completed my own name |
| 15:52.18 | Q_CONTINUUM | I would do the same. |
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| 16:16.56 | *** topic/#utah is Utah related discussion including user groups | logs @ http://ibot.rikers.org/%23utah/ | See also ##lds | OpenWest Conference May 2-4, 2013! openwest.org | https://fiber.google.com/cities/provo/ |
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| 16:33.39 | youtah | I <3 tab |
| 16:41.38 | youtah | So I spoke with the US Forest service. They are sending people up to go take all the pallets that were littered in the river up Big Cottonwood Canyon. There's something like 20~30 pallets. https://plus.google.com/u/0/117588839385073341602/posts/fkQK1zfxJup << pic |
| 16:45.45 | keldwud_ | anybody use graylog2? |
| 17:06.25 | Migs | http://theonion.github.io/fartscroll.js/ |
| 17:07.09 | goozbach | how is it different than logstash? |
| 17:10.42 | keldwud_ | goozbach: I dunno, that's why I'm asking :) CEO sent me a link to graylog, so I assumed that was a hint for me to check it out |
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| 17:34.30 | goozbach | looks like logstash can output to graylog2 |
| 17:34.33 | goozbach | hmm |
| 17:35.05 | Yorokobi | *cough*Splunk*cough* |
| 17:35.15 | keldwud_ | so now I have three to check out |
| 17:35.25 | jsmith | goozbach: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-MKa2OrZmGY |
| 17:37.56 | findlay | I have 1 tabopen |
| 17:38.05 | findlay | and it's about:blank |
| 17:38.11 | Jayce^ | jsmith: I'm always amazed at how many coworkers dont' get "log" |
| 17:38.51 | findlay | logs |
| 17:39.10 | findlay | log(Jayce^); |
| 17:39.30 | keldwud_ | are they the same people who failed their history classes, or at the very most, failed to understand the whole point of them? |
| 17:39.33 | keldwud_ | oh wait |
| 17:39.36 | Yorokobi | I would rule graylog out based solely on its eye straining website. |
| 17:39.38 | keldwud_ | logarithms? or logs? |
| 17:39.54 | Jayce^ | goozbach and jsmith one of the best songs ever: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-gp-UL2vl-s |
| 17:39.58 | keldwud_ | Yorokobi: and you use Splunk for the same purpose? |
| 17:40.09 | Jayce^ | neybar_home: was whistling that the other day |
| 17:40.16 | jsmith | Jayce^: Knowing you, that's an ear-worm. |
| 17:40.24 | Yorokobi | keldwud_, what's your purpose? |
| 17:40.25 | jsmith | Jayce^: It's not that I don't trust you -- it's just .... well... |
| 17:40.34 | Jayce^ | jsmith: you like it :) |
| 17:40.37 | keldwud_ | Yorokobi: no clue really. I'm a noob at all of this. |
| 17:40.45 | keldwud_ | just exploring everything |
| 17:41.04 | Yorokobi | Log collection? Log searching? Alerting and reporting? |
| 17:41.24 | Yorokobi | I work* for Splunk; I have some bias towards it. |
| 17:41.25 | keldwud_ | I've settled on nagios for my alerting and reporting |
| 17:41.35 | keldwud_ | but I haven't found anything for log collection and searching |
| 17:41.42 | keldwud_ | right now I am still learning how to read logs manually |
| 17:41.47 | keldwud_ | before I start using automation tools |
| 17:42.10 | keldwud_ | but I'm down to hear your pitch on Splunk. I'll accept your bias. |
| 17:42.39 | findlay | ln(keldwud_); |
| 17:43.19 | keldwud_ | so when you say that your co-workers don't understand logs, findlay, your responses lead me to believe you mean logarithms :) |
| 17:43.21 | Yorokobi | If you're looking for something that collects your logs and allows you to search through them all, correlating data/events across log types (ie, firewall and access_combined), Splunk is the shiznit. |
| 17:43.32 | keldwud_ | Yorokobi: that sounds nice |
| 17:43.48 | findlay | navier's logarithm or euler's logarithm? |
| 17:43.54 | findlay | there is a subtle difference |
| 17:44.08 | keldwud_ | maybe I should email my boss back and say "I see your graylog2 and raise you a Splunk" |
| 17:44.34 | jsmith | Jayce^: Hey, that is a catchy tune |
| 17:44.43 | findlay | has also worked on a superlog function that relates binary operators of order n+1 to binary operators of order n |
| 17:44.44 | jsmith | goozbach: Did you listen to it yet? |
| 17:44.50 | keldwud_ | findlay: apparently I don't understand logs, either. I only know that the log of a number is an exponent |
| 17:45.28 | keldwud_ | and I know that there is log (which is base 2) ln (base 10) and then logn where n is any number |
| 17:45.34 | findlay | the mechanism exists at the nexus of a bramble of acute mathematical symmetries |
| 17:45.54 | Yorokobi | In other words: it is painful |
| 17:45.59 | keldwud_ | clicks on Jayce^'s link |
| 17:46.02 | findlay | noway |
| 17:46.06 | findlay | it is beautiful |
| 17:46.14 | Yorokobi | bramble = thorns :) |
| 17:46.18 | findlay | indeed |
| 17:46.31 | goozbach | I'm jumping up and down like an idiot |
| 17:46.32 | findlay | has suffered far too much pain on learning maths |
| 17:46.44 | keldwud_ | lol, ogod |
| 17:47.02 | findlay | but it is also my passion |
| 17:47.19 | keldwud_ | I want to do more maths |
| 17:47.21 | keldwud_ | it's fun |
| 17:47.38 | keldwud_ | I've only finished college algebra, tho |
| 17:47.53 | keldwud_ | still working on trig and some geometry and pre-calc level stuff |
| 17:47.59 | keldwud_ | and probability and statistics |
| 17:48.07 | keldwud_ | cuz computers and programming |
| 17:48.15 | keldwud_ | hmm, I should do maths today |
| 17:52.17 | keldwud_ | findlay: I need help picking which one to do this week. |
| 17:52.24 | keldwud_ | pick a subject for me? |
| 17:52.58 | youtah | THE CREATOR IS WRONG |
| 17:52.59 | youtah | http://www.cnn.com/2013/05/22/tech/web/pronounce-gif/index.html |
| 17:53.04 | youtah | He's Completely WRONG! |
| 17:53.12 | youtah | btw, nice to see you on the news last night pashdown |
| 17:53.26 | youtah | sorry, I just jumped subjects really fast |
| 17:54.33 | Jayce^ | http://www.empireonline.com/features/catchiest-movie-earworms |
| 17:54.52 | Jayce^ | can agree on a few of those.. but not all |
| 17:55.45 | pashdown | thanks youtah |
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| 17:59.10 | keldwud_ | what was the event/news? |
| 17:59.13 | keldwud_ | I missed it |
| 18:01.03 | youtah | keldwud_, people have been accusing the government for being incompetent because they couldn't decrypt Josh Powells encrypted emails. |
| 18:01.20 | keldwud_ | what!? |
| 18:01.28 | keldwud_ | I thought encryption was supposed to stop that kind of stuff |
| 18:01.34 | youtah | pashdown was simply explaining the level of difficulty it would really take to actually decrypt them |
| 18:01.43 | pashdown | http://kutv.com/news/top-stories/stories/vid_5063.shtml |
| 18:01.45 | youtah | can't remember which news channel he was watching |
| 18:01.59 | keldwud_ | they could probably crack it with the 1.5 million square feet of computing power in lehi, ut |
| 18:02.01 | keldwud_ | :) |
| 18:02.08 | keldwud_ | thanks for the link, pashdown |
| 18:02.15 | youtah | heh, I still even question that |
| 18:02.28 | keldwud_ | I'm sure that won't stop them from trying :) |
| 18:02.34 | youtah | Apparently Josh was a brilliant programmer, and apparently knew his shiznits |
| 18:03.54 | keldwud_ | the overall literacy level of the general public and our lowest common denominator culture makes me feel quite unsafe at times |
| 18:04.14 | keldwud_ | *make |
| 18:04.37 | pashdown | brilliant programmer and people wife and kids just wouldn't obey his brilliance! why can't i code you people!?!?! |
| 18:05.50 | keldwud_ | haven't there been a few stories about programmers in the last few years? along these same lines? |
| 18:05.56 | pashdown | reiser |
| 18:06.20 | pashdown | it isn't a character flaw that programmers can't program people, it is a design flaw |
| 18:06.46 | keldwud_ | design flaw in the programmer or in the people ;) |
| 18:06.52 | pashdown | heh |
| 18:07.01 | youtah | $10 says they were using PGP/GPG |
| 18:07.03 | keldwud_ | also, people *can* be programmed :) ask any marketing person |
| 18:07.05 | youtah | okay, $1 |
| 18:07.11 | youtah | I can't afford $1 |
| 18:07.13 | youtah | err |
| 18:07.14 | youtah | $10 |
| 18:07.29 | pashdown | the reporter told me it was "a commercial product" but didn't know what it was. |
| 18:07.34 | findlay | keldwud_: sure |
| 18:07.38 | findlay | hm |
| 18:07.41 | youtah | so PGP |
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| 18:09.06 | keldwud_ | woot |
| 18:09.08 | keldwud_ | servers are here! :) |
| 18:09.13 | keldwud_ | all 9,150 lbs of them! |
| 18:09.15 | keldwud_ | brb |
| 18:09.25 | findlay | 9000 servers? |
| 18:09.40 | youtah | 900 servers? |
| 18:09.40 | findlay | are they going to do a song and dance for you? |
| 18:09.50 | findlay | like they did for Barbara? |
| 18:09.50 | youtah | no, my final guess is 625 servers |
| 18:09.59 | youtah | jk |
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| 18:10.09 | findlay | 'it's so nice to have you back where you belong' |
| 18:10.43 | youtah | TWSS |
| 18:10.49 | findlay | does math and physics tutoring |
| 18:11.00 | youtah | I love math. |
| 18:11.03 | youtah | Math hates me. |
| 18:11.05 | findlay | give me $1000 and I'll learn you for a week nonstop |
| 18:11.28 | findlay | and yet nobody comes to my help lab hours |
| 18:11.48 | youtah | Which educational facility? |
| 18:12.12 | youtah | When I was taking my math classes, I pretty much prayed to the tutors. |
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| 18:13.25 | findlay | I'm at UU |
| 18:13.30 | findlay | righ now in fact |
| 18:13.36 | findlay | in an empty help lab |
| 18:13.56 | findlay | lamer undergrads |
| 18:14.39 | findlay | keldwud_: I assign you to figure out Conway's chained arrow notation |
| 18:16.11 | findlay | https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Conway_chained_arrow_notation |
| 18:16.33 | youtah | yeah, I have completely all my math courses |
| 18:16.43 | keldwud_ | 240 servers with 6 racks, the racks weigh quite a bit, I'm sure |
| 18:17.08 | keldwud_ | also, stupid dock workers loaded them up into a truck with no lift |
| 18:17.15 | keldwud_ | so he couldn't drop them off |
| 18:17.18 | keldwud_ | poor guy |
| 18:17.27 | Yorokobi | Expense a forklift |
| 18:17.28 | keldwud_ | they did this on our last server delivery |
| 18:18.02 | keldwud_ | they showed up, but then couldn't unload because you can't unload 9k lbs without a lift on the trailer |
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| 18:19.47 | keldwud_ | so I guess I'll wait 'til tomorrow |
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| 18:29.15 | keldwud_ | conway's chained arrow notation? is that even within my level, findlay? |
| 18:37.28 | findlay | sure |
| 18:37.53 | youtah | I want a lightning storm |
| 18:37.55 | youtah | a big one |
| 18:38.00 | youtah | the kind that lasts for hours |
| 18:38.14 | findlay | oh sure |
| 18:38.21 | findlay | you just want pictures |
| 18:38.26 | youtah | :-) |
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| 18:47.53 | youtah | Apparently a terrorist just beheaded a UK soldier on the streets of London. Sounds like in plain view of the public. |
| 18:48.08 | youtah | at least that |
| 18:48.21 | youtah | that's what's floating around on the twittersphere |
| 18:48.26 | keldwud | googles terrorist |
| 18:48.35 | keldwud | I think maybe I don't understand what that word means |
| 18:49.02 | keldwud | is that a word that we apply to people who act in a certain way no matter their political intention? |
| 18:49.19 | keldwud | or is there an actual definition of terrorist that applies to people based upon their political leanings? |
| 18:49.37 | youtah | Noun A person who uses terrorism in the pursuit of political aims. |
| 18:49.49 | keldwud | i.e. was he trying to coerce people into doing something? |
| 18:49.55 | keldwud | also, sorry for arguing semantics :) |
| 18:50.21 | keldwud | I was just wondering if it was being used as a synonym for "what this person did is really messed up and unacceptable on many levels" |
| 18:50.41 | keldwud | "are perpetrated for a religious, political or, ideological goal; and deliberately target or disregard the safety of non-combatants (civilians)" |
| 18:51.26 | keldwud | so because it incites fear in us because of the depravity of the crime, I'm still unsure as to whether or not it falls under the term "terrorism" |
| 18:51.33 | youtah | I dont think we know that really |
| 18:51.40 | youtah | I am trying to figure out what's going on myself |
| 18:51.56 | keldwud | true, I'm basing all my pedantry on hearesay :) |
| 18:52.00 | youtah | 'Soldier beheaded' in 'Islamist terror attack' oustide barracks in Woolwich |
| 18:52.08 | youtah | that is a headline of one of the papers |
| 18:52.34 | keldwud | I think the word terror attack sells more papers than if they were to use a different word ;) |
| 18:53.07 | keldwud | although there is this "Some definitions now include acts of unlawful violence and war." |
| 18:53.10 | youtah | This article has blurred out photos http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/uknews/crime/10073910/Soldier-beheaded-in-Islamist-terror-attack-oustide-barracks-in-Woolwich.html |
| 18:54.01 | keldwud | I can definitely see the impact that would have on people in that area |
| 18:57.39 | keldwud | because of how our brains process information, i.e. the Example Rule, people will feel that they are more likely to be the target of a terrorist attack |
| 18:58.08 | keldwud | therefore, people will be more fearful for their lives immediately after the fact. especially since it was done in broad daylight in public. |
| 18:58.18 | keldwud | most people can't help but feel unsafe after such an act |
| 18:59.18 | keldwud | oh sorry, it's the "Availability Heuristic" |
| 18:59.40 | keldwud | "The Availability Heuristic (the Example Rule): Estimating what is more likely by what is more readily available in memory, which is biased toward vivid, unusual, or emotionally charged examples. Basically, the more easily an example of something can be recalled, the more common it must be. " |
| 19:04.02 | youtah | So, also, apparently that tornado also officially made the EF5 level |
| 19:04.48 | kylie_ | It's a logorithmic scale, isn't it? |
| 19:05.17 | keldwud | I know earthquakes are logarithmic |
| 19:05.24 | keldwud | -er, richter scale is |
| 19:05.33 | kylie_ | Ahh, I may be thinking of that |
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| 19:27.15 | youtah | Yeah, I think the EF is not just wind speed though |
| 19:31.08 | d3c4f | http://www.cityweekly.net/utah/article-77-17582-hacker-valley.html |
| 19:31.19 | d3c4f | yeah B) |
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| 19:35.23 | Yorokobi | I think I just saw Mike Leavitt. |
| 19:35.49 | youtah | Did you thank him for introducing whirling disease into our lakes and streams? |
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| 19:40.52 | Migs | YARRRRRR! http://198.199.102.52/live |
| 19:41.42 | youtah | lol |
| 19:42.25 | youtah | The question is, can you see me now? |
| 19:42.32 | Yorokobi | No. I was too surprised. You don't expect to see former Utah governors in largely tech buildings in San Francisco. |
| 19:42.36 | keldwud | Mike Leavitt, he's done some crazy shit in utah |
| 19:43.51 | Yorokobi | s/tech/IT/ |
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| 20:06.12 | youtah | From the article: "According to the folks of DC801, a hacker is someone who, once they know how something works, wants to see if they can make it do something different, run better, operate faster or more efficiently." |
| 20:06.57 | youtah | That is EXACTLY what I keep telling people, and yet everyone thinks I am crazy, and refers to Hollywood for their definition. |
| 20:07.29 | Migs | you're missing the point |
| 20:07.38 | youtah | Eh? |
| 20:07.57 | Migs | words are defined by common consensus. And the common consensus aligns with Hollywood's definition. |
| 20:08.13 | Migs | you and I may use "hacker" differently, but it doesn't matter, because nobody else does. |
| 20:08.13 | youtah | and my retort to this is.... "Hollywood" |
| 20:08.22 | youtah | ;-) |
| 20:09.50 | d3c4f | we're taking our words back, damnit! |
| 20:10.06 | youtah | Exactly! |
| 20:10.21 | youtah | puts on his war face paint... |
| 20:10.47 | Yorokobi | "They may take our words, but they will NEVER take our definitions!" |
| 20:10.53 | youtah | ROFL |
| 20:11.03 | youtah | I would almost buy a tee-shirt that had that on it |
| 20:15.19 | Q_CONTINUUM | is reminded of Clerks 2 |
| 20:15.24 | Q_CONTINUUM | "Its ok, I'm taking it back!" |
| 20:16.50 | youtah | Thank heavens!!!! https://blog.twitter.com/2013/getting-started-login-verification |
| 20:17.05 | youtah | Twitter is introducing 2 step verification today |
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| 20:38.56 | Migs | Florida Woman Illegally Rides Manatee Like A Horse | http://feedly.com/k/12vrxIX |
| 20:41.38 | fugue88 | If you're going to ride a manatee, you should do it *legally*! |
| 20:41.42 | fugue88 | :P |
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| 21:09.59 | keldwud | anyone have any "working for bluehost" feedback? Would love to hear about the culture and the average length of stay for employees. |
| 21:10.33 | keldwud | also, if people stay in the same position no matter what, or if those who grow end up with more responsibilities |
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| 21:48.56 | Jayce^ | keldwud: what about it? what position you looking at? |
| 21:49.07 | Jayce^ | been here 5 years myself |
| 21:49.38 | keldwud | oh nice. |
| 21:49.58 | Jayce^ | obviously basic techs have a higher turnover rate than sr level people |
| 21:50.07 | Jayce^ | there is a very large range of jobs |
| 21:50.22 | keldwud | was just ensuring there was room for lateral movement before committing to leaving my current sysadmin job |
| 21:50.35 | keldwud | I am interviewing for entry level tech, will probably shoot for L3 |
| 21:50.49 | keldwud | aced the pre-interview aptitude questions |
| 21:50.51 | Jayce^ | ah yeah.. sysadmins have a different culture than the devs |
| 21:51.01 | Jayce^ | but both have plenty of movement if you have skill |
| 21:51.03 | keldwud | I've both dev experience and admin xp |
| 21:51.07 | keldwud | which side are you on? |
| 21:51.11 | Jayce^ | dev |
| 21:51.22 | Jayce^ | runs the billing systems |
| 21:51.25 | keldwud | what flavors do they like at bluehost? |
| 21:51.26 | Jayce^ | writes/runs |
| 21:51.38 | Jayce^ | servers are all centos at our facilities.. |
| 21:52.03 | Jayce^ | the tech support machines are all ubuntu iirc |
| 21:52.06 | av9 | yep |
| 21:52.42 | keldwud | and languages? |
| 21:52.49 | Jayce^ | Perl shop, big time |
| 21:52.50 | keldwud | I've C# and python under my belt |
| 21:52.55 | keldwud | ahh, darn |
| 21:52.57 | Jayce^ | there is some python |
| 21:53.01 | keldwud | maybe I should ditch python for perl? |
| 21:53.03 | av9 | more python on the admin side. |
| 21:53.04 | Jayce^ | mostly on existing open source python |
| 21:53.18 | jlp_work | he he |
| 21:53.30 | Jayce^ | eg, hacking on openstack and such |
| 21:53.51 | jlp_work | I use python in my current position, buy my heart belongs to perl. |
| 21:53.57 | jlp_work | s/buy/but/ |
| 21:54.02 | Jayce^ | jlp_work: I'm hiring :-p |
| 21:54.14 | jlp_work | I'm pretty comfortable |
| 21:54.28 | Jayce^ | all perl :) |
| 21:54.29 | jlp_work | you'd have to wave a pretty big check in my direction to get me to think about moving |
| 21:54.42 | jlp_work | fusion pays well and has quite decent benefits |
| 21:54.50 | Jayce^ | we can chat about that if you are interested |
| 21:55.04 | keldwud | I've been playing on cloudstack here |
| 21:55.12 | keldwud | openstack didn't work out in our environment |
| 21:55.20 | keldwud | but our goal is processing power, not hosting. |
| 21:55.34 | keldwud | processing about 2million pages daily (through OCR) |
| 21:55.44 | keldwud | that's gonna bump up to about 8 million here pretty soon |
| 21:56.50 | Jayce^ | we're the largest openstack installation now, and a lot more to go |
| 21:57.31 | keldwud | oh nice |
| 21:57.51 | keldwud | I've been hoping to get to play around more with virtualization and clusters |
| 21:58.32 | av9 | We've got a bunch of both of those. |
| 22:00.49 | keldwud | I'm getting more and more excited :) |
| 22:01.00 | keldwud | of course, I need to focus on doing support first |
| 22:01.20 | keldwud | but it's good to know there are positions I can work towards |
| 22:01.48 | keldwud | what is company culture like, if you guys don't mind me asking. What kind of socialization is there? |
| 22:02.24 | keldwud | and what kind of autonomy do you experience as an admin, av9. and as a developer, Jayce^? |
| 22:07.27 | findlay | benefits r lame |
| 22:07.34 | findlay | just give me dollars |
| 22:07.49 | findlay | and I'll find my own benefits |
| 22:07.55 | keldwud | oh yeah, medical... that one is important |
| 22:08.01 | keldwud | I'll have to ask that at my interview |
| 22:08.12 | keldwud | need good medical when you have a kid |
| 22:08.37 | Jayce^ | decent medical now |
| 22:09.05 | findlay | I don't want my job to tell me what kind of medical care I get |
| 22:09.16 | youtah | http://www.audioholics.com/education/cables/hdmi-cable-speed |
| 22:09.29 | keldwud | findlay: I'm satisfied with my current job's medical |
| 22:09.32 | keldwud | I don't pay a dime |
| 22:09.35 | findlay | health insurance plans in this country all seem like they're designed by spendthrift idiots |
| 22:09.37 | keldwud | they just hand me a credit card |
| 22:09.51 | keldwud | I don't even pay monthly fees |
| 22:10.15 | findlay | keldwud: indeed, but think if your job gave you all the money they're paying on their plan for you and how much more efficient you could be with your health expenses |
| 22:10.48 | keldwud | I could see that going either way, you have a good point though. |
| 22:10.53 | jlp_work | findlay: you've obviously never been sick or had a sick family member |
| 22:11.26 | Jayce^ | actually years ago I used to just get my own, was way better back then.. |
| 22:11.30 | findlay | jlp_work: do you have blue eyes? |
| 22:11.37 | findlay | because it's obvious :) |
| 22:11.38 | JalenJade | findlay, self insurance is about 500% more expensive than through your job |
| 22:11.46 | youtah | did someone mention blue eyes? |
| 22:11.47 | jlp_work | I tried to get health insurance on my own back in the early 2000's when I was ... shall we say, self employed. because my wife had been on clomid -- ten years earlier -- we were "uninsurable" |
| 22:11.57 | keldwud | ooh, important question. beard or no beard for interview with bluehost? |
| 22:12.14 | Jayce^ | keldwud: well, on my personal team it's a big bonus :) not sure with the admins |
| 22:12.22 | youtah | the Radiation poisoning at Chernobyl supposedly turned the whites of peoples eyes slightly blue. At least so I heard. I have nothing to back this up. |
| 22:12.29 | keldwud | I'm interviewing for support, though. that's why I was wondering |
| 22:12.41 | Jayce^ | they're the tougher group to interview with (dark room single light).. devs are the more social interview :) |
| 22:12.45 | keldwud | I know for advanced positions, beard is a plus, but for front line and entry level, beards are frowned upon |
| 22:13.23 | jlp_work | okay, so "obviously" was the wrong word to choose, but if you think about why we have health insurance, it's not so you can get your health care paid for, it's so that the large group subsidizes the costs of those who need more health care than they can afford. |
| 22:13.24 | Jayce^ | meh, call center support won't care |
| 22:13.48 | Jayce^ | keldwud: did you actually apply for the admin job as well? or just support? |
| 22:13.51 | findlay | JalenJade: I'm sure that's only if you consider the money you yourself pay. If you factor in the money your company pays, it would not be so much |
| 22:13.53 | jlp_work | used to work for regence bluecross/blue shield |
| 22:14.02 | youtah | Back to the Manatee, it is illegal to molest a manatee, whether it was "intentionally or negligently" according to the Florida Manatee Sanctuary. |
| 22:14.11 | keldwud | I sent my resume to the admin guys, but they never responded. The support people are the ones that responded and called me |
| 22:14.14 | youtah | Act |
| 22:14.18 | kylie__ | Act? |
| 22:14.19 | jlp_work | regence had the worst insurance for it's employees. extremely expensive (tiered, more expensive if you made more money) |
| 22:14.24 | keldwud | but I told her that I had already sent my resume to the admin team |
| 22:14.27 | JalenJade | findlay, If you find a company that will give you that money, then I guess that's a valid point. I don't know of any such place though. |
| 22:14.37 | youtah | Florida Manatee Sanctuary Act* |
| 22:15.05 | JalenJade | youtah, it's illegal to touch a Manatee in most places |
| 22:15.10 | JalenJade | in the US that is |
| 22:15.13 | kylie__ | :-( |
| 22:15.14 | keldwud | maybe I should just ask her in an email :) beard or no beard? |
| 22:15.15 | findlay | JalenJade: yes, so I say, stop trying to engineer my life with company benefits |
| 22:15.22 | kylie__ | But they're so cute |
| 22:15.24 | Jayce^ | JalenJade: show me on this doll where you touched the manatee |
| 22:15.31 | youtah | lol |
| 22:15.33 | JalenJade | Any place I've ever seen them exhibited always make a point of stating that |
| 22:15.43 | youtah | I have pet a manatee. |
| 22:15.47 | JalenJade | Jayce^, I thought it was a mermaid... |
| 22:16.13 | keldwud | JalenJade: ever meet T-Pain? |
| 22:16.13 | youtah | the ranger that we were with, even gave us some green leafy like thing (i have no idea what it was) to throw in the water for them to ear |
| 22:16.14 | youtah | wat |
| 22:16.15 | youtah | eat |
| 22:16.17 | NERXRZ | .win 12 |
| 22:16.18 | keldwud | </obscure song reference> |
| 22:16.19 | JalenJade | keldwud, I doubt it |
| 22:16.31 | NERXRZ | hey look, the / is over there one more key |
| 22:16.36 | keldwud | it was a Lonely Island "I'm on a boat" reference :) |
| 22:17.02 | JalenJade | keldwud, I had almost forgotten that meme... |
| 22:17.09 | Jayce^ | if you want an obscure, yet on-topic song: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VpD8cktegwY |
| 22:17.21 | Jayce^ | neybar_home and goozbach should recognize it |
| 22:17.22 | JalenJade | youtah, yeah there's some limited stuff like that as well |
| 22:17.59 | findlay | realizes that he failed to incite debate with his libertarian values |
| 22:18.15 | youtah | +1 |
| 22:18.29 | youtah | I refer to myself as in Indepublitarian |
| 22:19.29 | klys | so, republican |
| 22:21.23 | youtah | registered |
| 22:22.43 | JalenJade | undeclared |
| 22:23.14 | findlay | plutonium is the only safe bet |
| 22:23.41 | findlay | it just only has a mean lifetime that is significantly less than the lifetime of the universe |
| 22:23.43 | kylie__ | I hear that political party has tarnished. :| |
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| 22:24.59 | findlay | that's the funny thing about gold is that people say that we should process asteroids for their precious metal content, but by the point that we have the technology to do that, the concept of a precious metal will sound so barbaric |
| 22:25.32 | findlay | there's so much energy already blowing away from the sun it should be trivial to synthesize any isotope |
| 22:26.13 | youtah | But what about the manatees?! |
| 22:26.16 | JalenJade | and that astroids are mostly not precious metals |
| 22:26.58 | youtah | JalenJade, prove that 100% of all asteroids don't contain what humans would deem a precious metal. |
| 22:27.22 | youtah | ;-) |
| 22:29.26 | keldwud | synthesize manatees from the isotopes leaking from the sun? |
| 22:29.33 | keldwud | I mashed all that up together in my brain :) |
| 22:30.25 | jlp_work | politically, I align mostly with libertarian views, but I accept that there are some things the community should take care of. I'm not so much a libertarian that I think I should pay individually for my own fire/police protection, nor do I think that state-sponsored health care is a terrible thing if done right. of course, I'm a realist enough to know that it wouldn't be done right. |
| 22:37.57 | unum | my #1 complaint about the affordable care act is that it strengthens the tie between employment and health care |
| 22:38.03 | unum | I think that's a terrible thing |
| 22:38.18 | unum | I really wish the bennet wyden bill would have gotten more traction |
| 22:42.59 | NERXRZ | .win 11 |
| 22:43.03 | NERXRZ | seriously? |
| 22:43.22 | jlp_work | is that like xbox one? |
| 22:43.24 | NERXRZ | this isn't my first time using a keyboard, really |
| 22:44.21 | unum | it is mine, that's my story and I'm sticking to it |
| 22:46.13 | JalenJade | Who uses keyboards anymore? It's all speech to text |
| 22:46.31 | JalenJade | It takes you 5 tries to get it right and that gives you time to actually think about what you're saying. |
| 22:51.15 | unum | I couldn't even imagine trying to edit code that way |
| 22:53.12 | JalenJade | LOL |
| 22:53.17 | JalenJade | I can and it'd funny as hell |
| 22:53.24 | JalenJade | it's* |
| 22:55.25 | jlp_work | JalenJade: heh, speech to text. it amazes me that google's android speech to text search app can do such a good job, but google voice's transcriptions are just fun filled humor fests. |
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| 23:23.16 | L34N | nerxrz.. its better than win 28 |
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| 23:45.27 | klys | ~quote MU |