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| 02:08.27 | klys | jima: not really, no |
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| 02:42.48 | youtah_ | howdy |
| 02:45.24 | youtah_ | Just a few pix from the OpenWest Conference http://imgur.com/a/JSgr4 http://imgur.com/a/JpACz & http://imgur.com/a/b9diZ |
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| 05:00.29 | shalkie | haha! I evaded youtah and his soul capturing device once again! |
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| 06:20.19 | findlay | yay |
| 06:21.07 | findlay | except that uvu thinks it's their duty to aggressively surveillate their campus |
| 06:21.51 | findlay | I'm sure they've got a count of the number of times you patronized the bathroom |
| 06:22.11 | findlay | for bathroom facility feedback purposes only, of course |
| 06:22.28 | findlay | the nsa can't possibly be interested in that |
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| 13:22.59 | klys | ~slashdot |
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| 15:58.08 | neybar_work | harleypig: I want that too |
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| 16:50.39 | youtah | lol shalkie, you evaded my soul capturing device? |
| 16:50.41 | youtah | rofl |
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| 17:07.03 | goozbach | I've got a customer looking for a good "online exam" type system (similar to moodle) any suggestions? |
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| 17:11.28 | findlay | none, sir |
| 17:12.51 | spangborn | Not LearningZen. |
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| 18:27.42 | youtah | gif of Jayce^ this Saturday at OpenWest http://i.imgur.com/CByZP9d.gif |
| 18:28.48 | jima | goozbach: have they looked at chamilo at all? |
| 18:29.11 | jima | isn't endorsing its use, but may be familiar with an organization using it |
| 18:29.27 | jima | and the poor SOB sysadmin responsible for supporting it. |
| 18:29.35 | jima | err, hypothetically. |
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| 18:55.41 | kylie_ | Tution is too much, |
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| 19:08.57 | Jayce^ | youtah: that was closer to Thursday, registration |
| 19:13.40 | shalkie | s/crowdsource/crowd surfing/ ? |
| 19:14.19 | shalkie | I so wanted to see the boogie board in that GIF. But it stops just as he gets up to go. |
| 19:14.32 | shalkie | was let down... Not by the crowd though. |
| 19:16.45 | shalkie | I got a decent spear fishing mail hiddeen as a copy of boarding documents. I had to check the calendar cause that was a recent class. Monday travel was a bit odd and I will be flying the day before, not that day specifically... Just an odd alignment. |
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| 19:36.41 | spangborn | yawns. |
| 19:55.28 | spangborn | Adobe just painted themselves into a nice corner. |
| 19:56.49 | spangborn | No more licenses for CS, everything is subscription now. |
| 19:57.10 | spangborn | Looks like I'll be buying CS6 and sitting on that. |
| 20:01.59 | spangborn | $500/year for Creative Cloud, ha. |
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| 20:41.27 | neybar_work | I'm pretty sure Adobe is too cool for their customers. |
| 20:42.19 | kylie_ | Oh? |
| 20:42.40 | fadein | hey, look at the abuse Apple heaps upon its customers, and where that got them |
| 20:42.57 | fadein | I'm surprised we haven't seen even more companies following that business model |
| 20:43.25 | youtah | +1 fadein |
| 20:43.53 | youtah | spangborn, I am only paying $228/yr for Adobe Cloud Services.... |
| 20:44.09 | youtah | licks Adobe Illustrator |
| 20:44.10 | kylie_ | That's $19 a month! |
| 20:44.22 | youtah | That sure it |
| 20:44.23 | youtah | is |
| 20:44.25 | spangborn | You know how much I paid for CS5 over the last 3 years? |
| 20:44.28 | spangborn | $370 |
| 20:44.32 | kylie_ | I've not enabled flash for a while. |
| 20:44.58 | kylie_ | My last Adobe complaint was that my favorite in browser game still uses Shockwave player |
| 20:44.59 | youtah | Ah, but I also have Illustrator, and Photoshop, and Lightroom, and Dreamweaver, and Fireworks, and Premiere, and.... |
| 20:45.05 | spangborn | Yes, as do I. |
| 20:45.38 | youtah | They've added a few goodies since then (i believe) and it's all the latest and greatest schtuff |
| 20:45.42 | spangborn | What happens when Adobe decides to increase monthly cost (as they already are)? |
| 20:45.52 | spangborn | What happens when they decide to drop an app completely (as they just did)? |
| 20:46.19 | spangborn | I'm sorry, but a subscription to use software that runs on your machine is just ridiculous. |
| 20:46.34 | youtah | Also keep in mind that the CC has more than CS |
| 20:46.35 | neybar_work | agreed. |
| 20:46.47 | youtah | Even the Master Collection |
| 20:46.50 | spangborn | I see a huge market opening up for competitors. |
| 20:47.16 | youtah | it would be nice to have the creative industry not be so reliant upon Adobe |
| 20:47.44 | spangborn | I'm tempted to buy CS6 just so I'll have the latest non-subscription software, and it'll run on the OS of choice for as long as possible. |
| 20:48.07 | spangborn | I'd probably guess that most Adobe users are like me, and update every 2-3 years. |
| 20:48.35 | spangborn | Conventional/non-subscription users, that is. |
| 20:48.41 | youtah | well, and $19 a month was perfect for me, for my video/photo/design classes |
| 20:49.03 | youtah | I dont want to own or buy Premiere |
| 20:49.07 | youtah | I don't need it |
| 20:49.14 | youtah | but I needed it for those 4 months |
| 20:49.23 | youtah | and then I needed Illustrator for the next 4 months |
| 20:49.25 | spangborn | That's what school machines are good for ;p |
| 20:49.37 | youtah | *at home |
| 20:49.44 | youtah | Working on school machines suck |
| 20:49.53 | youtah | Editing photos/video on 2GB of ram.... |
| 20:49.54 | spangborn | Then again, you and I took a different approach to school, as you're working full time where I wasn't. |
| 20:49.59 | youtah | true |
| 20:50.14 | spangborn | Uh, you haven't used the iMacs in the library/labs then ;p |
| 20:50.18 | spangborn | Or the Mac Pros. |
| 20:50.23 | youtah | 1GB? |
| 20:50.24 | spangborn | They're usually maxed out. |
| 20:50.25 | youtah | ;-) |
| 20:50.34 | spangborn | The video editing rigs were like 16GB of ram? |
| 20:51.10 | spangborn | Okay, so my $370 over 3 years comes to just about $10/mo. |
| 20:51.26 | spangborn | So that's still half of CC. |
| 20:51.27 | youtah | and they're always being used |
| 20:51.38 | spangborn | Eh, I never had that issue ;p |
| 20:51.45 | youtah | the machines in the library, are always *slammed* |
| 20:51.49 | spangborn | Plenty of machines in the labs. |
| 20:52.16 | spangborn | Then again, different approach to that though. |
| 20:52.33 | spangborn | I was able to plan around times that weren't during finals week or high traffic days ;p |
| 20:52.55 | spangborn | All I see happening with this is Adobe's software becoming even more pirated. |
| 20:53.10 | youtah | Well, and for me to use the machines in the lab, consists of a 20 minute drive there, and 20 minutes back, and an additional $80~$200 a month in gas. |
| 20:53.14 | spangborn | It's already possible to spoof the activation process for the current generation of non-subscription |
| 20:53.34 | spangborn | And from the FAQ, you only need to be online once every 30 days. |
| 20:53.43 | spangborn | So that just makes it even easier. |
| 20:54.06 | spangborn | I'll give it a month before someone has it cracked. |
| 20:54.24 | spangborn | So the argument that it's decreasing piracy is probably going to be moot. |
| 20:55.02 | youtah | Wonder how they'll handle deep freeze like scenarios |
| 20:55.30 | spangborn | They probably won't. |
| 20:55.42 | spangborn | Which is going to screw the Marriott Library. |
| 20:55.50 | spangborn | Those machines are reverted to an image every week. |
| 20:56.04 | spangborn | So they'll have to continue updating that image and push a new image every week. |
| 20:56.07 | youtah | Although, with CC, You have to use their installer to download and install the software |
| 20:56.17 | youtah | which makes you log in each time you launch the application |
| 20:56.28 | youtah | (the installer application) |
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| 21:37.15 | rsimpkins | youtah: Any opinion on the change with the cloud stuff at Adobe? |
| 21:37.27 | youtah | no, not really |
| 21:37.43 | rsimpkins | youtah: When you've got one, feel free to msg me. I'm interested in hearing what you think. |
| 21:38.03 | youtah | You mean in regards to the conversation earlier? |
| 21:38.07 | rsimpkins | yup. |
| 21:43.44 | spangborn | rsimpkins: Didn't realize you worked at Adobe ;p |
| 21:44.07 | rsimpkins | 7 years and running. :) |
| 21:44.26 | spangborn | Nice, that's a cool achievement. |
| 21:44.38 | spangborn | That reminds me, I need to try the LR5 beta. |
| 21:44.51 | rsimpkins | LR6 will be freakin' awesome. |
| 21:44.58 | youtah | needs to try the LR5 |
| 21:45.06 | youtah | Man, you're already talking about LR6?! |
| 21:45.20 | rsimpkins | They plan several revisions ahead, yes. |
| 21:45.35 | spangborn | I'm just impressed at how much of the app is written in Lua. |
| 21:45.43 | spangborn | Certainly a different choice. |
| 21:46.13 | spangborn | I don't remember the exact numbers, but I think I saw that it was something over 50% of the app? |
| 21:46.39 | spangborn | That being said, plugin development for LR is awful. |
| 21:47.26 | spangborn | I started hacking away at a 500px LR plugin when the 500px API was announced, and while it was my first Lua project, I wasn't very impressed. |
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| 21:49.01 | rsimpkins | Yeah, needs some improvement. I agree. |
| 21:49.09 | spangborn | Debugging was the worst part. |
| 21:49.26 | spangborn | It'd be nice to have some sort of developer console or something. |
| 21:49.34 | spangborn | Maybe there is one that exists internally or something. |
| 21:51.06 | rsimpkins | The challenge, as it has been explained to us, isn't a lack of ideas. :) |
| 21:51.30 | spangborn | Yeah, I understand that it's a weird version of Lua that's running. |
| 21:51.33 | rsimpkins | Not even a lack of good/great ideas. |
| 21:51.51 | spangborn | (I've been following Jeffrey Friedl on a lot of the LR Lua development) |
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| 21:53.56 | rsimpkins | I wish we could take almost everyone of his plugins and make them standard. |
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| 22:01.27 | spangborn | Wasn't he hired on as a consultant for a while? |
| 22:02.01 | rsimpkins | I don't know. Likely. |
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| 22:03.25 | spangborn | I wonder if they've tried to license them as part of LR, and his terms weren't acceptable. |
| 22:03.39 | spangborn | I know he's a pretty stubborn guy when it comes to his software. |
| 22:04.21 | spangborn | 500px pissed him off, and that's why he didn't end up releasing a plugin for them. |
| 22:04.32 | spangborn | And when I started writing one and asked him about it, he was pretty touchy. |
| 22:04.49 | rsimpkins | Karma is a funny thing. Just be nice to people. Ya know? :) |
| 22:06.34 | spangborn | Haha, yep. |
| 22:06.53 | spangborn | He was actually very helpful for me - he had a ton of really useful Lua libraries that I was using. |
| 22:07.26 | spangborn | This was at a time when 500px was definitely in startup mode, didn't really do that good of a job of communicating with devs. |
| 22:21.34 | spangborn | Aereo looks interesting. |
| 22:22.01 | RyanE | Yeah, if people would stop suing them. :) |
| 22:22.22 | youtah | Yeah those jerks! |
| 22:22.30 | youtah | gets back off band-wagon |
| 22:28.06 | spangborn | They just pre-emptively sued CBS |
| 22:28.12 | spangborn | To prevent copyright claims, heh |
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| 23:57.51 | youtah | Wait! Whoa! |
| 23:58.01 | youtah | Salt Stack is local? |
| 23:58.09 | rsimpkins | youtah: Huh. Yeah! :) |
| 23:58.18 | youtah | lol |
| 23:58.21 | youtah | shrugs |
| 23:58.23 | rsimpkins | I have a stack of salt stack T-Shirts right by me. :) |
| 23:58.32 | youtah | OooO! I want! |
| 23:58.41 | rsimpkins | what size. |
| 23:58.44 | youtah | is running out of shirts to wear |
| 23:58.45 | youtah | L |
| 23:58.47 | youtah | Large |
| 23:59.32 | rsimpkins | XL and medium are all that is left. |
| 23:59.41 | youtah | XL then |
| 23:59.51 | rsimpkins | K, snagged. You want it - you'll have to come get it. |
| 23:59.59 | youtah | Twitter recommended them to me, I clicked on them to follow, and it said SLC, kind of threw me off |
